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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:	AMIGA NOTES
Notice:	Join us in the NEW conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:	HYDRA::MOORE

Created:	Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:	Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	5378
Total number of notes:	38326

2740.0. "Falcon and 1.3 ROM problem" by PENUTS::JCANHA () Mon Jul 17 1989 13:19

    
    
    Falcon will not work on my Amiga 500 with version 1.3 ROM's.
    
    Just to make sure it was not the disks themselves, I tested
    Falcon successfully on another stock Amiga which had 1.2 ROM's.
    
    I know that the current version of Falcon will not work with
    an Amiga with an accelerator board, but not with a stock Amiga?
    
    Has Spectrum Holobyte any intentions of fixing these bugs in
    the near future?  
    
    
    BTW:  The start up screen is displayed and the song is played.
          When I click the mouse the drive starts reading and then
          just hangs there after a few moments.  I do not have any
          problems with any other software so I am quite sure that
          I do not have a hardware problem.
    
    
    Jeff Canha
    DTN 275-2369
    DAS 1-2/Q2
    Andover, MA

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
2740.1	Could it be a memory problem?	CSOA1::LEN	David M. Len	`Mon Jul 17 1989 14:30`	5
	I have 1.3 roms on my 2000 and have not experienced any problems running Falcon. Do both 500s have the same amount of memory? Also, if one has additional floppies, that will use additional memory for the buffers.
2740.2	PROBLEMS WITH FALCON	VIVIAN::P_MCSKEANE		`Mon Jul 17 1989 15:59`	6
	RE FALCON ON AMIGA 500 I HAVE 1.3 ROMS ON MY A500 AND HAVE ONLY FOUND PROBLEMS WITH LOADING WHEN I HAVE MY SECOND DRIVE SWITCHED ON. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT I HAVE A BRITISH MACHINE AND THE BRITISH VERSION OF THE SOFTWARE. I'VE HAD PROBLEMS BEFORE LOADING SOFTWARE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES ESPECIALLY ON MY 64 WHEN I HAD ONE.
2740.3	Worth a try	PENUTS::JCANHA		`Mon Jul 17 1989 20:24`	14
	I currently only have 512K memory, but I do have 2 disk drives. There are programs out there such as Battle Chess which will not work with 512K if there is an external drive attached. I am almost positive that I checked this with Falcon, but I better check again. Has anyone else run into this problem? Does anyone know if Spectrum Holobyte will be releasing a version which will run on all Amiga's, especially for those people with the 68020's? It is much too good a simulation to be neglected because of incompatability problems. Thanks for your responses, - Jeff C.
2740.4	Add a 501	EMC2::PELLATT	Stand in the place where you are	`Tue Jul 18 1989 08:48`	10
	This is a known "limitation" of Falcon ( discussed elsewhere in Note ???? ) and the documentation with my copy states that Falcon will NOT boot on an Amiga with a second drive. Dave P.S. I just upgraded my memory and Falcon now produces a whole load of more interesting noises I never heard with 512K, as well as letting you analyse your dogfighting with the 'Black Box' ( bit of a gimic actually ).
2740.5	V1.1?	SSDEVO::YESSE	Computing at 6200 ft.	`Tue Jul 18 1989 16:48`	6
	>This is a known "limitation" of Falcon ( discussed elsewhere in >Note ???? ) and the documentation with my copy states that >Falcon will NOT boot on an Amiga with a second drive. Is this also true with the latest V1.1 release?
2740.6		CSOA1::LEN	David M. Len	`Tue Jul 18 1989 20:06`	5
	re: .4 and .5 There must be some further qualification to the statement "Falcon will NOT boot on an Amiga with a second drive". My 2000 has 2 internal floppies and I have not had any problem with Falcon.
2740.7	memory	WJG::GUINEAU		`Tue Jul 18 1989 20:53`	5
	I think that's "512K 2 drive machines". Your 2000 has 1Meg. John
2740.8	They use every bit of memory	PENUTS::JCANHA		`Wed Jul 19 1989 20:45`	14
	Falcon will work with my Amiga 500 (512K) and 1 disk drive connected, but not both drives (The ROM's had nothing to do with it). This same problem occurs with Battle Chess and it is due to the large amount of RAM which is required to run these programs. Just having the drive connected to the Amiga requires some memory, which in the case of these two games is enough to cause it to run out of RAM. Thanks for reminding me of this problem, - Jeff C.
2740.9	exit	NOTICL::MCGHIE	Thank Heavan for small Murphys !	`Thu Jul 20 1989 01:18`	6
	Falcon works for me on a 1MB 500 with an external drive connected. 1.2 ROMS (if that really counts) and a PAL system and possibly a PAL version of FALCON (?). regards Mike
2740.10	< My 1.3 ROM story >	WOODRO::TTAYLOR		`Sat Dec 09 1989 22:40`	11
	After adding a v1.3 ROM and a 40 Meg drive to my A2000. My Falcon doesnt run all of the sound effects. Specifically guns, missles and the engine sound. All others work fine. I can boot off the original copies of the game bypassing the H/D and the game works perfectly. If I attempt to run Falcon off of the H/D's workbench using the same floppies I again encounter the sound problem. Any suggestions ? Thanx, Todd
2740.11	low memory	WJG::GUINEAU	Quantum Reality	`Sun Dec 10 1989 12:27`	11
	Your 2000 probably only has 1 Meg or RAM, right? If so, then adding a hard drive means adding driver's and handlers for it, which eat up memory. This extra overhead for the hard disk has pushed you free memory low enough that Falcon tosses some of the sound effects. I think it's in the Falcon docs. John
2740.12	1 Meg of memory won't cut it	BANKS1::TAYLOR		`Mon Dec 11 1989 13:34`	6
	Yes, it's a stock (as for now) A2000 with 1Meg of RAM. I'd felt that the overhead reqd. by the drivers were the cause of the problem. I have 2 Meg of DRAM on order. Thanx for the input. Todd