Conference hydra::amiga_v1

    I haven't tried it yet but would like to.  Can you upload it or
    is it already available somewhere on the NET?
    
    Thanx,
    
    ...Ed
    

I'd like to get this game also.  It got an excellent review in this months
COMPUTE!'s AMIGA RESOURCE magazine.

Is it on the net somewhere??

John

    Mike
    

    This game also caught my interest when I saw the review.
    Yet Another Ditto (Y.A.D).

    Still Yet Another Ditto
    
    -(gaw)
    

    ME THREE, WHERES IT LOCATED?

    In my opinion the game is too large to upload (2 disks worth). 
    I will gladly send anyone a copy who supplies me the post-paid
    envelope.  Send me vax mail and I'll give you my address.

    Just a few questions....how much memory does this require( you
    mentioned 2 disks worth of data)? Do they stay in all the time?
    And how much sharing is the author asking for? It sounds like a
    lot of fun and it is something I want to get.  I'll send you the
    required material.
    
    Rob

>    In my opinion the game is too large to upload (2 disks worth). 
>    I will gladly send anyone a copy who supplies me the post-paid
>    envelope.  Send me vax mail and I'll give you my address.

Careful.  I think you're inviting an avalanche of E-mail requests.  (I aborted
in the middle of sending you mail, since I figured EVERYONE in this notesfile
has probably done so already.)

Maybe we could talk someone with a fast AMIGA<=>VAX link (like an amiga at
work) into getting the game, ZOOing it, and uploading it to NORSE or
someplace?  I believe folks would think it worth downloading, even if it IS
huge, but if you get 100,000 requests for copies of the game, your drive'll
wear out before you can get it to everyone.  :-)


					John

    re .10
    
    I'd like to echo the thoughts echoed in this note, surely there
    is someone who could upload the disks to NORSE or elsewhere. I'd
    like to ask that if someone DOES do this that they use WARP instead
    of or in addition to ZOO. 
    
    If no one with a high-speed link to the vax wants to upload, I'll
    be glad to get the disks and do it myself.

    I'd like a copy myself, if someone could upload it.  But, please, don't
    use Warp.  Those of us who do not have reliable phone lines cannot
    download an entire Warp file without something going wrong.  Zoo is
    fine due to the fact that we have VMS zoo (i.e. I can break the file up
    if I want.)  WARP doesn't seem very reliable to me anyhow.  I've had it
    comeback and say the un-warping didn't work when in fact it did and
    visa versa.  Also I don't believe you can unWARP to/from a hard disk. 

    Although WARPing Star Trek does seem oddly appropriate :-).
        
    - steve

    Two disks is not too much. We have the WALKER demo on-line, and
    that's two disks. Someone, please upload it. There is no problem
    putting it on NORSE.
    
    This must be good. It's even been reviewed in a Magazine here in
    the UK, and got a good review.
    
    Martin

    
    I've played the Star Trek game.  I'd say two things about it...
    
    1.  It is an outstanding example of just how wonderful the Director
        software is.
    
    2.  Playability really suffers on a floppy based system.  It's kind of
        like using Hypercard on a floppy based Macintosh.  If you really
        want to play the game, you should (and can) install it on a hard
        drive.
    
    Ed.
    

    The game will allow you to copy the sound disk to RAD if you have
    at least 2 megs of memory.  The game itself requires 1 meg.
    The files are in warp format plus some text files.  Since I'm not
    playing golf this weekend, I'll give the uploading idea a shot.
    It takes several hours at 2400 baud.  I will arc all the text and
    warp files together and pray that a thunderstorm doesn't hit when
    I'm 95% finished.  

    location will be
    auntb::$1$dus13:[pressley.amiga.public]
    
    

    I tried to upload this weekend, but my modem kept failing in the
    middle of the transfer.  Can you believe it?  I had problems with
    a Scholar Modem.  I will attempt to get a new modem from the office
    today.

    I was able to upload it successfully.  The files reside in
    cgou01::amnew: and are called Startrek1.zoo and Startrek2.zoo. 
    I haven't yet played it (got my copy home at 23:00 last night and
    zoo'd/uploaded right away) but the person I got the copy from said
    it works.
    
    I shall copy the files to NORSE::amiga:[upload] so if you can't
    find it on cgouo1 try norse cause were real short of disk space
    here.
    
    wayne
    

    RE -1
    
    What form are the files (Stream_LF or something else?)  I don't
    want to spend hours downloading only to have them crash the Amiga
    when I try to un-zoo them.
    
    Randy
    

    The files are Stream_LF and were uploaded with Zmodem.  In this
    format they are also compatible with VMS Zoo, to use VMS Sweep you
    will need to convert them to Fixed.
    
    Due to the popularity of these files (I was unable to login to the
    system after lunch due to 18 decnet links) these files will be
    protected from 08:30 to 17:00 MST for the next little while.
    
    I have not been able to reach NORSE today so I shall copy the files
    to TAPE::user1:[upload] tonight, after which I'm sure they will
    be relocated to some appropriate directory.
    
    wayne
    

    
    
    	The star trek files have been moved to
    
    		TAPE::USER1:[AMIGA.ZOO]STARTREK*.ZOO
    
    
    			Steve
    

    They should also be in
    
    NORSE::AMIGA:[GAMES] very soon.
    
    Sorry 'bout the unavailability. We had a power-down. In future I
    shall announce power downs in the conference.
    
    Martin

    
    
    
    I successfully downloaded the 2 files from Norse:: and ran into
    a slight problem!   When I do the Zoo Extract all the files are
    there but the directory structure is lost.
    
    A listing of the Zoo file tells me what the directory structure
    should be so I guess I can rebuild.  Is there something I can 
    do to get the files out of the archive and get the directories
    rebuit automatically?
    
    Thanks
    

<                 When I do the Zoo Extract all the files are
<    there but the directory structure is lost.
    
Take a look at note 1570.20
-Tom-    

    
    I too have downloaded StarTrek and am most impressed with it, as
    apparently alot of other people are.  Thanks for making it available.
    
    Although it should not be necessary, don't forget the extremely
    reasonable ($5) shareware contribution requested from the author..
    'Nuff said..........right?
    
    Sorry to have to plug for shareware but we all know that it keeps
    it alive...
                    
                                            Kevin                     

    Help!
    I copied the startrek files to my directory, then copied them from
    my m: drive, (using pcsa) to my a: drive (floppy).
    Then I brought them home to my Vaxmate and proceeded to U/L them
    to my Amiga VIA a null modem at 19200 baud.
    When I tried to un-zoo them I received bad crc in header warnings.
    Things used and tried:
     
    Copied to my directory from tape::user1 (hooked in at 19200 baud).
    Ran cvtarc on them to make them kermitable.
    Copied from M: drive (networked) to A: drive using PCSA
    Brought home and tried transfering to my Amiga at 19200 baud using
    Handshake (Amiga), Procomm (Vaxmate)
    then -
    Handshake (Amiga), Kermit (vaxmate)
    then -
    Xmodem protocol on both.
    Kermit (7&8 bit) on both.
    Send smaller pcket size(50) using kermit.
    But always ended up with the same error when un-zooing.
    I know that I'm doing something wrong, but what?
    	Also this is not an Isolated incident as I seem to be having
    the same problems with many other files either arced, or zooed.
    Its enough to make me quit...
    	Is there anyone out there who can help?
    							Thanx.
    P.S. What is VMS zoo? VMS sweep?
         Do these run in the network enviroment?
                                                              Ed.
    

    re .25
    
    Thanks Tom ....
    
    Was able to de-zoo correctly thanks to your pointer to note 1570.20
    
    There IS a lot of good stuff in this notes file.  Finding it however
    is often quite another matter.  Thank goodness for patient, helpful,
    sympathetic noters.
    
    Frank
    

    CAn anyone tell me where VMS Zoo is please
    
    I've looked on TAPE and NORSE
    
    Martin

        VMSZOO is on TAPE in the [.tools] directory
    
                               Kevin    

    My aplogies I'm a plonker 
    
    I did a dir on zoo*, should've tried *zoo*
    
    Martin

    Well, I have correctly un zooed my copies, but I cant't get them
    to work.  What should the disks be called?  Right now mine are called
    StarTrek and StarTrek2.  Everything seems to work fine when I boot
    with the disks.  When I start the game, the game loads for about
    30 seconds, the screen goes blank and then nothing.
    
    Any ideas?  
    
    This screen blanking thing seems to be happening more often, so
    it might be a problem with my system.  When I un zooed the files,
    the screen would go blank for no reason at all.  The system would
    continue to un zoo, but only a reboot would bring the screen back.
    
    Randy
    

    StarTrek and StarTrek2 are the right disk names.  

    This program really seems to want every last byte of mem on a 1meg 
    machine.  I've got three floppy drives, and ST wouldn't work until I 
    switched one off (a nice feature on the MAST twindrives, btw).  The 
    main display would come up, but the first couple of gadget pushes 
    would cause a guru.  The game works okay now with the third drive 
    disabled, but I've yet to see the startup graphics Jimbo says are in 
    there.

    - Cliff

    
    It may be normal.  According to the read-me, the screen is supposed
    to go blank.  Indeed, mine does, for about 30seconds in the middle
    of the load it turns grey and the disks go silent (it's documented).
    
    Then they take off an the load continued.  When I ran it the first
    time (according to the instructions) the credits never appeared
    and I thought something was wrong.  It was actually due to the fact
    that the game was ZOO'd after being played once and the intro
    animation is bypassed.  You can re-enable it from a menu when the
    game starts (IMO - the intro is the best part).
    
    I guess is a good game considering it's shareware but I personally
    don't care for it (I'd never buy it if it were commercial).  I found
    it slow and boring (cute for the first 15 mins but after that it
    didn't seem very interresting).  Load/wait times are terrible
    from floppy and I didn't like it enough to bother putting it hard
    disk.   User interface seems to be locked out each time the game
    goes to disk for something.   I had it running with absolutely
    nothing else and it still freezes on me occasionally.
    
    I guess it's not my type of game, but then I own Dragon Lair and
    hate it also (nice demo but not much fun).
    
    Frank
    
    
    
    

    I load the second disk into rad so the game runs fast enough, but
    it's too easy to beatup on the klingons and romulons.

    I agree with .34 - the digitized sound is a nifty gimmick, but 
    the game isn't great.

    For one thing, 2D space games are very tacky - they're holdovers
    from the days when games were written in Tiny Basic on 4K machines. 
    These days a decent space game should have 3 or maybe even 4 or more
    dimensions. 

    For another, the game doesn't seem to be well thought out.  For
    example, if one of the game objectives is to complete missions, then
    it might be interesting to optimize travel.  But the game doesn't
    give any distances or directions to the various planets and bases,
    so you don't know what's close to what.  There aren't enough
    missions, either, so you spend a lot of time just hanging around. 
    Exploring's no fun because you already know what's in the galaxy
    (even though you don't know where it is). 

    Jimbo's got a way to go before this is the "best Star Trek game
    ever". 

    - Cliff (the Merciless)

I agree this could be much better, but it is a *good* start.

re .-1
>    For another, the game doesn't seem to be well thought out.  For
>    example, if one of the game objectives is to complete missions, then
>    it might be interesting to optimize travel.  But the game doesn't
>    give any distances or directions to the various planets and bases,
>    so you don't know what's close to what.  There aren't enough
>    missions, either, so you spend a lot of time just hanging around. 


Actually, if you select MAP from the screen type display, you get the
2D (yes, ARGH!) coordinates of each place. My roomate has made a real good
detailed map of the entire StarTrek galaxy on paper. If anyone wan't 
one, mail me and I'll put a copy in the mail to you. (Hey, maybe my sister would
scan it in and I could post it..., Hmm).  Anyway, from this map it's easy to
see what's where.

I agree it needs more missions and 3D space. Maybe next version...

BTW - Put it on a Hard Disk, you'll like it even better!

John

    I finally got it downloaded to my ami.
    But I still can't get it to run.
     My equipment; Amiga 500 512k, expansion memory 512k, subsystem
    500 with drive. 1084 monitor.
    
     Scenario 1.
    		Placed Startrek in df0: startrek2 in df1: and tried
    to reboot, no-go.
    
     Scenario 2.
    		Booted workbench 1.3, replaced with Startrek,startrek2.
     Opened Startrek, double click icon, close startrek window, click
    "O.K.", screen turns blue and game hangs up.
    
     Scenario 3.
                Start out same as scenario 2 switch workbench 1.3 in
    and out of drive, game starts to run, get to the "bridge screen",
    click a couple of choices..... game locks up and goes guru.
    
     Anybody have this game running on a one meg amiga, with 2 drives?
    How'd you do it?
    							Thanx;
    								Ed
    

    
    With Scenario 1 did you AmigaDOS INSTALL the "startrek" disk?  Should
    boot fine if you do this...
    
    - steve

    RE: -1
    
    Before you attempted scenario 1, did you use the INSTALL command
    on the Startrek disk to make it bootable?  While WARP can load the
    boot blocks, ZOO cannot.  Therefore, before you can boot any disk
    loaded with ZOO or ARC, you must use the INSTALL command to load
    the boot blocks.

    NOPE, I didn't install the disk. 
    I do have a question though...
    If I install a disk, will it corrupt the data on it?
    Should this be done on empty disks only?
    						Thanx for the help..
    									Ed
    

    No, Install writes only the boot block area---it doesn't harm the
    data area.
        John Sauter

    Thanx, I got it to work yesterday. 
                                         Ed
    

    re. - several complaints about playability
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>From: Ericgus%RCN.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu
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Subject: STAR TREK
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Ok, I would like to hear some suggestions or comments about my
STAR TREK game before I go into my annual summer programming coma.
If you have any ideas or features you would like to see in the next
version please speak now before my bit-net access ends on May 4th.
Some comming attractions: Animated video segments, totally re-written
from the ground up, easier star selection, more sound bytes (sorry
about the pun), full color digitized screens in HAM.  The rest is a
supprise.  I figure I should have the next version out by the end f
of summer, (I like to enjoy my time off too!!).
             Well, the ball is in your court, what would you like to
see!!
                    Live long and prosper
                           Eric Gustafson

    Hmmm.  The author of the Star Trek game I've been playing is Jimbo
    Barber.  There must be 2 games out there.

    
    Gary

    re .-1
    
    You're right. I read the usenet article at work and didn't check to see
    if the author was the same. Has anyone seen this other Startrek game?
    
    tom