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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
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2324.0. "AMIGA + You decide" by MAMIE::LEIMBERGER () Mon Mar 06 1989 08:52

    	After looking at ANTIC'S AMIGA + magizine I came away very
    dissapointed .All through the magazine you see 
    			"NO AMIGA Plus DISK?
                        Every issue of AMIGA PLUS features great
    			programs on disk.If you bought this issue 
    			of AMIGA PLUS without disk,
    			you're missing out! "
    Well this is very very true.The text in the magazine that covers
    the stuff on disk gives just an outline.ALL the source code,and
    other stuff is on the disk.I know many that will have the attitude
    well just buy the disk,and I admit that it is probably worth the
    money.The mag is good,and the stuff promised on disk looks good,
    but I feel cheated everytime I open the mag.I don't have an Amiga
    in my bathtub,at the park,in the car while waiting somewhere,at
    the doctors office or anyplace else I enjoy reading my Magazines.
    My idea of a disk based magazine is one that covers the content
    of the article in full,with source for reference,AND then gives
    you the source,compiled program,and whatever else YOU would have
    to type in on disk as a service to save you time.AMIGO TIMES is
    a good example of this.If AMIGA + had followed this format I would
    reccommend it highly.I guess one of the reasons I'm miffed is that
    there was a lot of potential there but I feel I,m being extorted
    into buying the disk.Maybe it should be called AMIGA - .
    							bill
     
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2324.1Not a bad mag. Better than AW for contentWJG::GUINEAUMon Mar 06 1989 10:409
I don't know about that. My roomate just got his first issue (I guess 
it's also Antic's first issue!) with disk.

The content looks pretty good. The disk has some good stuff on it.

 (I didn't spend much time with either yet...)


John
2324.2agree on contentWILKIE::LEIMBERGERMon Mar 06 1989 13:453
    I agree about the content of the magazine being good.it's the way
    that the disk articles are presented that I don't like.
    							   bill
2324.3Not impressedCADSYS::MURATORIRich Muratori, SEG/CAD, HLO2Mon Mar 06 1989 16:2318
I received my free copy of the premier issue a few days ago (with disk).
Although I haven't read it thoroughly, I have to disagree about the
technical content being good.  The review of Dragon's Lair states that you
can install it on your hard disk as long as you set aside a partition
for it.  Of course, this is misleading because you can only do this if
you own a particular brand of hard disk (I forget which one).  I would be
annoyed, if not angry, if I bought the game thinking I could install it
on my hard disk based on this review.

In the review of Lattice C++ it consistently refers to the product as a
compiler.  It is not a compiler but a preprocessor, as the article itself
describes.  This indicates to me a lack of technical understanding of
the subject matter.

Anyway, I don't feel the magazine plus disk are worth the subscription price -
$40 for 6 issues.

Rich
2324.4What is the Buddha-nature of Lattice C++?TLE::RMEYERSRandy MeyersMon Mar 06 1989 23:2439
Re: .3

Like Zen, sometimes you don't know if a technical article shows a lack of
knowledge, or a deep understanding of what is going on:

>In the review of Lattice C++ it consistently refers to the product as a
>compiler.  It is not a compiler but a preprocessor, as the article itself
>describes.  This indicates to me a lack of technical understanding of
>the subject matter.

Compiler experts usually agree that the ATT C++ translator is a compiler
(Lattice C++ is a port of ATT's code to the Amiga).  The structure of
the translator is that of a compiler: the translator does full bookkeeping
and semantic analysis on the source program.  The translator does a
compiler's job of converting one language to another.

However, the output language (more-or-less K&R C) of the ATT translator
resembles greatly the input language (C++).  Therefore, many people do
erroneously call the translator a "preprocessor," because they think
that it must be possible to convert C++ into C using pattern matching
and other simple string analysis (very much like the Unix C preprocessor
"translates" C with macros into C without macros).  However, C++ is
a very complex high level language that requires all of the resources
of a compiler to translate into C.  (How hard is it to write a C++
compiler?  Well, the usual estimate is take the amount of effort it
takes to write a C to assembly language compiler, and multiply that
amount by three!)

At one time (years ago), C++ was a much simpler language, and it was
nothing more that a preprocessor.  This has added to the confusion:
It once was a preprocessor.  It looks like a preprocessor.  Because
of historical reasons, people who know better sometimes call it a
preprocessor.  It is no wonder that most people talk about the
ATT C++ "preprocessor" (I even call it that myself).

I haven't read the article.  So I don't know if the author didn't
know what a preprocessor was, and so that is why he called Lattice
C++ a compiler, or if he does know what a preprocessor is, and so
that is why he calls Lattice C++ a compiler.
2324.5I agree, I felt taken.TSECAD::BURWENTue Mar 07 1989 16:1111
    I felt sort of short changed, too.  I guess I was guilty of not
    looking at the fine print, and didn't realize there are only six
    issues published in the year.  I got a lot less than I expected.
    It makes looking for Fred Fish disks seem like a more attractive
    possibility, because the price of this is top $$$.  I like things
    kept on a simple level since I am the furthest thing from a computer
    whiz, and I found accessing the programs more difficult than just
    simply clicking on the icons, I am use to.
    
    							Cheers,
    							Rick