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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

1796.0. "WILD COPPER DEMO on line" by LEMAN::BLANC (Phil Lausanne-CH DSC 20-OCT-1988 14:34) Thu Oct 20 1988 13:02

    Hi,
    
    This will be my first contribution to this notefile.
    I have just on hand a preview of a demo disk from WILD COPPER.
    As I don't see any critical copyright notices, I assume I can post
    it to the network.Tell me if I am wrong
    
    WARNING: this demo contains some obscen drawings and words not suitable
    for all.(But so funny, specially the reset demo for those understanding
             french)
    
    well it can be found on:
    
    DID YOU READ THE WARNING ???
    
    on 
    ROLLE::DQA0:[scratch]demo.zoo       (ROLLE is an old 11/730 V5)
    48.796
    
    BTW: this file is over 1100 blocks long, in fixed length 128 bytes
    record format .
    
    Enjoy      ***Phil
    
    
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1796.1In the US call ....ROMULN::MYEEBoycott Styrofoam cups, save the ozone.Thu Oct 20 1988 14:006
    
    For those of you in the US, you can copy it from:
    
    	ROMULN""::DUB3:[PUBLIC.AMIGA]DEMO.ZOO
    
    _Mike_  ;-)
1796.2Wild Copper is right!WJG::GUINEAUSomewhere else in timeFri Oct 21 1988 11:327

Fantastic demo!!!  How did they ever pack so much into puny memory requirements
(I think WB showed 300K free and it ran like a charm!)


JOhn
1796.3I'll second that emotion!HPSTEK::MYEECrunchy FrogFri Oct 21 1988 13:0318
    
    I downloaded this last night (took 44  mins via Zmodem/ProtoComm).
    This is a INCREDIBLE demo !!  Five stars out of five (*****).  I
    do have one question.  The demo was written in France and uses the
    PAL TV standard, and we miss some of the graphics on the bottom
    of the screen.  Is there anyway to see this correctly (i.e. display
    PAL graphics on a US screen)???  Right now I change the Vertical
    size on my Sony KV1311 to see the text on RV demo, but the text
    is split half on the top/bottom.
    
    I am impressed with the quality of the stuff coming from overseas
    (ie. DOC and WILD Copper Demo).  What else are we missing from over
    the pond???  Please, more fantatic demo/games/stuff.
    
    _Mike_
    
    still_being_amazed_at_what_the_Amiga_can_do
    
1796.4GarbageVTHRAX::KIPG.M. Landingham 293-5297Fri Oct 21 1988 13:122
    I get intermittent screens of garbage when I try to run parts of
    this demo.  Do I have to run NoFastMem first?
1796.5RLAV::WEGERBruce WegerFri Oct 21 1988 13:4214
1796.6Same problemWJG::GUINEAUSomewhere else in timeFri Oct 21 1988 13:586
I had the same problem with "RVb Demo" (sp?)

Try clicking the RESET icon then the RVb Demo. Worked for me...


John
1796.7ZMODEM?MTWAIN::MACDONALDWA1OMM 7.093/145.05/223.58 AX.25Fri Oct 21 1988 19:323
    RE: .3
    
    What are you using on the HOST side for ZMODEM?
1796.8RZSZ = ZMODEM on VMSROMULN::MYEEBoycott Styrofoam cups, save the ozone.Fri Oct 21 1988 20:0813
    
    RE: .4
    
    The following programs support the Zmodem protocol::::
    
    Protocomm3z - not a fancy terminal emulator, but it's the only one
    			I have that does Zmodem reliably
    
    SZ - from RZSZ.arc to download from the VAX.
    RZ - from RZSZ.arc seems to be broken (at least I can't get it to
    		work from my VAX thru a Scholar 2400 modem).
    
    _Mike_
1796.9Full of supplies!!ROMULN::MYEEBoycott Styrofoam cups, save the ozone.Sun Oct 23 1988 04:2930
    
    This demo really is WILD !!  Have you tried experimenting with the
    demo you get when you boot with the disk ?   You did know you can
    boot with this disk right?  (Just use the INSTALL command on the
    disk.)  The demos are full of surprises !!
    
    _Mike_
    
    Have a wild time !!!
    
    Warning Spoiler follows...
    
    
    Experiment with the mouse buttons and icons...
    
    Warning more explict spoiler follows (it's more fun to try the advice
    above) !!
    
    
    Last warning !!!!
    
    

    boot off of the WILD demo disk,
    clicking the left mouse button,
    click on the disk icon,
    try all the icons in the WILD demo (especially the RESET icon!!)
    <aaah, so that's what that icon's for?>
    
    have a WILD time!
1796.10LEDS::ACCIARDIDukakis should pluck his eyebrowsSun Oct 23 1988 11:0928
    
    Wow, I'm really impressed with this French offering.  A few comments
    come to mind... 
    
    1.  The effects achieved just aren't possible.
    
    2.  The English and Europeans are way ahead of us in the USA.
    
    3.  I think I'll re-visit some Marylin Chambers flicks.  (You'll
        understand when you watch the fun)
    
    4.  Again, this stuff runs MUCH FASTER on a 16 MHz Amiga.  I dropped
        by the Software Shop and ran them on a stock A500.  Still great,
        but the added speed is much more impressive.
    
    5.  Someone may have mentioned this, but CBM should package these
        latest demos, rent some huge hall somewhere, buy lots of wine
        and cheese, invite the press and announce a revolutionary new 
        sub-$1000 multitasking graphics and sound engine called the 
        Amiga 500.  Announce that it will be available sometime NeXT year,
        and only to Universities, so you can't have one anyway.  If
        THAT doesn't get them onto the cover of Time or NewsWeek,
        then I give up.
                                              
    Seriously, these demos are a LOT of fun.  I just can't get enough!
    
    Ed.
    
1796.11ANT::SMCAFEESteve McAfeeMon Oct 24 1988 12:3114
    
    I was trying to download this last night.  Sometimes I have difficulty
    using XMODEM on large files.  Simply because I can't seem to go
    that long without interfereence on the phone lines.  XMODEM doesn't
    seem to recover very well from this.  If I use KERMIT the transfer
    usually completes but takes twice as long.
    
    What I'm wondering is this -- Is there a program available to break up
    binary files on VMS and then put them back together on the AMIGA?
    Has anyone ever done this with an editor?  I thought maybe I'd try
    splitting DEMO.ZOO with EMACS and then just use AmigaDOS JOIN to
    put the pieces back together.  Any suggestions?  Is there a VMS ZOO?
    
    - steve
1796.12VMS ZOO ??AYOV10::ATHOMSONC'mon, git aff! /The Kelty ClippieMon Oct 24 1988 12:4712
1796.13an UnZOOELWOOD::WHERRYI survived Space Academy Level IIMon Oct 24 1988 17:2015
    
    I have a VMS unZOO version.  That'll let you unpack everything.
    unfortunately you lose the data compression of zoo then.  You could
    probably hack something up that works like shar and uuencode decode
    but initially that would be asking for trouble.  I haven't seen
    a full VMS version of ZOO.  I haven't even seen the AMIGA version
    of ZOO.  Though I would like to find that.
    
    brad
    
    ps. if you want the unZOO it can be found at:
    
         TAPE::USER1:[WHERRY.AMIGA.EXE]vooz.exe
    
    NB. you need to make it a foreign command.
1796.14LEMAN::BLANCPhil Lausanne-CH DSC 25-OCT-1988 09:02Tue Oct 25 1988 07:1010
    Hi,
    I am very pleased to see you all sooooo happy with this demo.
    I am a member of a Commodore group here (Amiga section of course)
    in Switzerland and will try to get more stuff like this disk.
    
    Sorry to make this .zoo file so long, but I thought it was the easiest
    for me.Upload is not a problem for me (19200 bds). I will rethink
    it for the next.
    
    Phil
1796.15Filenames ??AYOV10::ATHOMSONC'mon, git aff! /The Kelty ClippieTue Oct 25 1988 10:178
    
    I've unZOOed the demo and contructed three arc files ready to download
    but I had to rename some of the files to suit arc. Can someone who
    has a fully working disk of this demo please post a directory of
    the disk so I can be sure of the exact filenames ?
    
    		Thanks in advance,
    					Alan T.
1796.16Is it safe???HYSTER::DEARBORNTrouvez MieuxTue Oct 25 1988 12:3011
    If you boot with the demo, it will multi-task with itself.  While
    the text is crawling across the bottom of the screen, you can run
    the other demos.
    
    Watching this, I couldn't help but wonder what kind of viruses were
    being planted in my system.
    
    Interesting demo...can't wait to see more.
    
    Randy
    
1796.17The Demo that Would Not DieLEDS::ACCIARDIDukakis should pluck his eyebrowsTue Oct 25 1988 13:1111
    
    This is one tough demo to kick out of the system.  While running
    the RvB version, I gave the old three-finger neck pinch and the
    machine kept right on running.
    
    A few more neck pinches later it finally reset.
    
    I make sure to turn my machine off completely after running these
    things.
    
    Ed.
1796.18Not a virus just patches weird placesELWOOD::WHERRYTue Oct 25 1988 13:378
    
    
    Yes, this DEMO is VERY tough to kill.  I have been running VIRUSX
    since the beginning of my installation.  It hasn't complained though
    I did have to turn the machine off to clear out the 'RESET' demo.
    
    brad
    
1796.19MTWAIN::MACDONALDWA1OMM 7.093/145.05/223.58 AX.25Tue Oct 25 1988 13:536
    "Text scrolling across bottom of screen?"
    
    I didn't se any text scrolling across the bottom of the screen.
    the only text I've seen is that which rotates around the cougar
    at the center of the demo. Did I miss something?
    
1796.20MTWAIN::MACDONALDWA1OMM 7.093/145.05/223.58 AX.25Tue Oct 25 1988 13:553
    I run the "Big In Japan" song in my startup-sequence. Starts playing
    as soon as the Workbench appears. A click of the mouse anywhere
    stops its. I've encountered no problems with it running.
1796.21error 121 ??MEMORY::SOVIESSDDTue Oct 25 1988 14:5310
    
    When I try to run WARMSTART I get an error 121, 
    
    does any one else have this problem?
    
    The other demos work fine,
    
    	I have a 1000 w/512K
    
    Dean
1796.22how I did it.HYSTER::DEARBORNTrouvez MieuxTue Oct 25 1988 16:299
    To get all the demos, make an S and C directory.  Put the
    startup-sequence in the S directory and the files called for in
    the startup-sequence (run, type, etc.) in the C directory.  Install
    the disk.  Boot with the disk.  You should now get a startup message
    in a cli window.  Click on the mouse and it will start the crawling
    text message while workbench loads.  The rest will be obvious.
    
    Randy
    
1796.23VMS ZooLOWLIF::DAVISThat's not a BUG, it's a FEATURE!Tue Oct 25 1988 16:324
FWIW:  I have VMS Zoo at MDKCSW::DUA2:[DAVIS.AMIGA.TOOLS].  It works great
for me!

...richard
1796.24Speaking of "Big in Japan"MEIS::ZIMMERMANWalt sent meTue Oct 25 1988 19:128
    A lot of excellent demos and games have come from Europe and Canada.  
    I read somewhere - maybe in this notesfile - that C64's and Amigas 
    are big in those areas, equivalent to Apples and Macs in the US, so 
    you would expect to see software created there.  But I don't recall 
    seeing anything from Japan.  What do the Japanese use at home?

    - Cliff
1796.25re: .11 & .12POLAR::GOSLINGThink KANATA INC.Tue Oct 25 1988 19:2623
       re: .11 and .12
       
       I use the VAXmate middleman file transfer technique.  VAX to
       VAXmate to AMIGA 5 1/4" drive - works great!  However, anything
       greater than 700 odd VAX blocks won't fit on a 360k PC floppy! 
       
       When confronted with DEMO.ZOO, I looked at VOOZ, but not being
       comfortable with all the possible file format options
       (a,l,u,c,s,v) for extracting the files, I backed off and used the
       following method.  {If anyone would care to comment on what option
       I should use to de'VOOZ them for arc'ing later, I would appreciate
       it, as I prefer the arc'ing method.}
       
       I converted it to UU format with the VAX version of UUencode.  I
       then split the resulting ASCII file into PC floppy "consumable
       chunks", then transfered them to the VAXmate via KERMIT.  Once on
       the AMIGA I joined the individual files using the Join command,
       and ran the joined file through the AMIGA version of UUdecode -
       making it ready to be de'zooed.
                    
       Art
       
       P.S. the DEMO is great!  Phil thanks for posting it.
1796.26Create two smaller ZOO files...NAC::PLOUFFCider Season Has BegunTue Oct 25 1988 19:5111
    When confronted with the huge DEMO.ZOO, I created two copies, let's
    say 1 and 2.  I then used 'zoo -delete' to get rid of about half
    of the files in Copy 1, then (very carefully) deleted the files
    still in Copy 1 from Copy 2.  That way I had two <360K files with
    original filenames and directory structures intact.
    
    BTW, ZOO201.EXE for the VAXmate (or any MS-DOS machine) can be found
    in CSCMAS""::SYS$MSDOS:[ARC-LBR].  Bernie Eiben, the proprietor,
    requests that downloads be made outside 8 AM - 5 PM Eastern time.
    
    Wes
1796.27CANIS::RIESFrank W. Ries Jr.Wed Oct 26 1988 21:237
Is anyone other than me having problems with the initial Wild Copper demo
that comes up when you boot from the floppy? It runs, but the display is
all messed up. All the other parts of the demo work fine. Any ideas whats
going on?

Frank

1796.28MEIS::ZIMMERMANWalt sent meThu Oct 27 1988 00:205
    Yep, I've got the same problem.  And in the RV demo half of the text 
    that scrolls across the bottom appears at the top of the screen.

    - Z
1796.29What next?LEDS::BUSCHDave Busch at NKS1-2Thu Oct 27 1988 01:297
Re .27 & .28

Me too. BTW, I'm not sure if I missed it in earlier notes but, what's the 
purpose of the demo. Is it just an exercise in computing virtuosity or is there 
a game or something coming soon? Nice stereo sounds.

Dave
1796.30What good are demos? Well, er, you see..LEDS::ACCIARDIDukakis should pluck his eyebrowsThu Oct 27 1988 02:1731
    
    Dave, most of the demos you'll see here are simply mind candy. 
    There seems to be a lot of 'pushing out the envelope' on the Amiga.
    
    If you follow the history of the Amiga, the original 'demo' was
    the famous bouncing ball that accompanied the Amiga's introduction
    in the summer of 1985.  When a select group of early developers
    got a sneak preview of the hardware, they saw a display of graphics
    and sound that had never before been achieved on a microcomputer.
    Many burst into tears when they first saw the Amiga.  (This is really
    true, as recounted by Aegis' Bill Volk in Amazing Computing magazine)
    
    As time went on, each new 'demo' outdid the one before it.  This
    condition has been encouraged by the annual 'Badge Killer Demo
    Contest'.  BADGE is a California Amiga user's group that lists many
    of the original Amiga design team as it's members.
    
    So, demos are an old tradition in Amiga land.  Just enjoy them.
    Show them to prospective suckers who may be shopping for a computer
    and can't make up their mind between a Mac or a PC.  
                                                      
    There's actually another extremely popular type of demo, the so-called
    'crippled demo' which software developers post to networks and BBSs.
    It's usually a fairly functional copy of a new program with several
    vital features such as 'print' and 'save' disabled.  It's a great
    way to sample software at home, without pressure, to see if you
    really want to shell out money for the real thing.  We've had a
    few of these on the e-net here, like Interceptor (right, who wouldn't
    want Interceptor?) and AudioMaster.
    
    Ed.
1796.31LEMAN::BLANCPhil Lausanne-CH DSC 27-OCT-1988 08:46Thu Oct 27 1988 06:5311
    re: .28,.29
    
    Hello,
    
    I think your problem is the following: these demos has been written
    on a B2000 AMIGA at the PAL television standard.
    
    As you probably has NTSC, you miss some lines, and the synchro of
    some demos get lost or so....
    
    Phil
1796.32MTWAIN::MACDONALDWA1OMM 7.093/145.05/223.58 AX.25Thu Oct 27 1988 15:061
    Yes.
1796.33NTSC<>PALLEDS::ACCIARDIDukakis should pluck his eyebrowsThu Oct 27 1988 16:139
    
    That reminds me... I saw a file on PLINK that software toggled between
    PAL and NTSC.  If there's enough interest, I can try to re-find
    it and upload it.
    
    I wonder how effective they'd be on these newest demos that really
    seem to clobber the hardware?
    
    Ed.
1796.34The "E" was thrown in to round out the nameTLE::RMEYERSRandy MeyersThu Oct 27 1988 18:0910
Re: .30

>BADGE is a California Amiga user's group that lists many
>    of the original Amiga design team as it's members.

BADGE is actually the Bay Area Developer's Group.  Not to be confused
with FAUG, the First Amiga User's Group, located in the same general
area.

Jay Miner is a member of FAUG.
1796.35P-p-p-p-pplease upload itROMULN::MYEEBoycott Styrofoam cups, save the ozone.Thu Oct 27 1988 18:349
    RE: .33  PAL to NTSC converter?
        
    Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes please upload it.  I would love
    to see the DOC demo and Wild Copper run correctly, not to mention
    Crystal Hammer, etc....
    
    _mike
    
1796.36BAGELS::BRANNONDave BrannonThu Oct 27 1988 19:473
    re: .33  I'm also interested
    
    -dave
1796.37a few questionsMANTIS::LONGFri Oct 28 1988 01:0117
Re:assorted
	1. Am I missing something in the DOC demo? Seems to run fine even
           though I don't have a PAL Amiga.
        2. I was under the impression that ZOO was going to restore to my
           disk, the files and directories they should be in. Did I do
           something wrong or did all the files come in one directory
           with the Wild Copper demo. No problem to move things around but
           I would have had this all running sooner if there had been a
           README to show how things should have gone.
        3. Are there really problems with the RVb demo? Again, looks good
           to me.
        4. I give up, what does the reset demo do?
	5. I also have the boot up part of the demo going unstable and yes,
           if there is a PAL to NTSC conversion available, please upload it.

		Thanks for the demos,
			Dick
1796.38LEMAN::BLANCPhil Lausanne-CH C/S 28-OCT-1988 09:14Fri Oct 28 1988 07:156
    re:-1
    
    2. use the command zoo x// demo.zoo or something like this .
        The // means: keep directory trees....
    
    Phil
1796.39SetPALorNTSC.ZOO is onlineLEDS::ACCIARDIDukakis should pluck his eyebrowsFri Oct 28 1988 11:2216
    
    I've uploaded a file called 'SETPALORNTSC.ZOO' to my directory at
    
    LEDS3::USER6:[ACCIARDI.AMIGA]	
    
    This file includes includes icons that toggle the Amiga's display
    from NTSC to PAL and back again.  Also included (I'm not sure why)
    is a graphics demo showing high speed area fills using Amy's blitter
    chip.  
    
    I only played with this for a few minutes, and it DOES work with
    the included blitter demo.  However, as I suspected, demos like
    Wild Copper completely reset the machine, undoing any current system
    modifications.
    
    Ed.
1796.40MTWAIN::MACDONALDWA1OMM 7.093/145.05/223.58 AX.25Fri Oct 28 1988 12:5612
    RE: .37
    
    Yes, you probably are missing the startup demo. Sounds like you
    are only viewing the demos accessible through Workbench icons. What
    you need to do is INSTALL the disk you have the demos on. Then MAKEDIR
    C and MAKEDIRE S. Copy the startup-sequence on the demo disk to
    the newly created S directory. List out the startup-sequence and
    copy all the C commands that are listed into the newly created C
    directory. There are only 3 or 4 that need to be copied. Now reboot
    your Amiga using the demo disk in DF0:
    
    Now you'll see what you are missing!
1796.41I need my WCD! (wild copper demo)STAR::ROBINSONFri Oct 28 1988 15:4122
     RE: .*
     
     I've got demo fever but can only download using kermit through
     tymnet.  Even at 2400 baud it is a slow process.  I figure
     wild copper would take two or three weeks, give or take a week.
     :^}
     And then it seems I'd take another few days installing, moving
     files around, trying to figure out what it looks like on a PAL
     Amiga (friend friend?)...
                                          
     Can anyone get me wild-coppered via sneaker net, inter-office mail
     or some other diskreet arrangement?  I will gladly trade a new Sony
     disk for it. 
     
     I work in ZK3-4 (Nashua, N.H) & live in Lexington, Ma.
                 
     Thanks,
     Dave Robinson
     STAR::ROBINSON
     MS:ZK3-4/U08
     CUBE:ZK3-4/U23
                  
1796.42MTWAIN::MACDONALDWA1OMM 7.093/145.05/223.58 AX.25Fri Oct 28 1988 15:481
    Sure .. I live in Nashua. Meet me Monday morning.
1796.43Kermit isn't _that_ slowSAUTER::SAUTERJohn SauterFri Oct 28 1988 17:193
    I downloaded Wild Copper at 1200 bps using Kermit.  It only took
    a few hours.
        John Sauter
1796.44SetPAL,SetNTSC not what expectedVTHRAX::KIPG.M. Landingham 293-5297Sat Oct 29 1988 11:0810
    RE: SetPAL and SetNTSC:
    
    I tried both of these with their included demo; I don't think they'll
    make programs written on PAL machines fit on the screen on NTSC machines;
    they appear to be written to do just the opposite, that is, take
    a program written for an NTSC machine and make it fill a PAL screen
    (it would normally underscan, correct?)  Since this software seems
    to have come from Europe, this makes some sense.
    
    Fortunately, the source code is included!
1796.45SNOC01::SIMPSONThose whom the Gods would destroy...Mon Oct 31 1988 04:584
    Would someone please explain the references to PAL and NTSC viz
    a viz the Amiga?  I've got a 1000 with 1081 monitor.  Which does
    that make me?  (Australia's TV uses PAL - is my 1081 modified for
    local conditions or is it the standard NTSC American one)?  
1796.46Should match local TVNAC::PLOUFFCider Season Has BegunMon Oct 31 1988 15:595
    Amiga's custom chips can handle either NTSC (525 lines/30 frames
    per second) or PAL (625/25).  Your machine should come configured
    the same as the local television standard.  Biggest difference is
    that when running in PAL mode, the screen has more scan lines (and
    more rows of text) than when running NTSC.
1796.47Different HardwareTLE::RMEYERSRandy MeyersMon Oct 31 1988 17:5514
Re: .46

>    Amiga's custom chips can handle either NTSC (525 lines/30 frames
>    per second) or PAL (625/25).

Amigas come with a different chipset to handle NTSC versus PAL.  It
isn't just a matter to changing a jumper or poking a value into
a register to get one versus the other.  You plug different chips
in the machine.

I was surprised about the software that claimed to handle the switch
mentioned previously.  I thought, "gee they must use heavy overscan
or something to try and simulate PAL."  I wasn't too surprised to
discover that it didn't really seem to work.
1796.48eBAGELS::BRANNONDave BrannonMon Oct 31 1988 21:257
    re: different hardware
    
    but the same RGB monitor for NTSC or PAL chip?  If so, depending
    on how much the chip cost.. how about a daughter board with
    both chips and a toggle switch?
    
    -Dave
1796.49Starting to make senseSNOC01::SIMPSONThose whom the Gods would destroy...Tue Nov 01 1988 01:086
    So, I've got PAL.  This would explain why booting Workbench leaves
    a gap between the border and the bottom of the physical screen.
    Hmmm.  Does anybody know the effect on the high-res flicker? Is
    it better or worse with PAL?  I've been told that its worse down
    here because our electricity is 240/50, not 240/60 like elsewhere.
    True/False?
1796.50True.AYOV10::ATHOMSONC'mon, git aff! /The Kelty ClippieTue Nov 01 1988 07:058
1796.51NAC::PLOUFFCider Season Has BegunTue Nov 01 1988 12:046
    re: .47
    
    Oops.  I stand corrected re: hardware.  But I stand by my conclusion:
    The Amiga you buy in any country with NTSC or PAL television broadcasts
    should match the local standard.  Don't know what this means for
    France :-).
1796.52thinks: 240/50 -> 240/60?SNOC01::SIMPSONThose whom the Gods would destroy...Wed Nov 02 1988 05:325
    re .50
    
    Thanks.  Hmmmm...  Now I know why I hate hi-res so much.  I've been
    accused by some in the States of being a whinger about hi-res but
    it seems I really do have it worse than them.
1796.53LEMAN::BLANCPhil Lausanne-CH C/S 14-NOV-1988 10:33Mon Nov 14 1988 07:375
    Hello
    
    For space consideration , the  wild copper demo is removed from
    the ROLLE machine...
    Phil
1796.54New fun from Wild Copper!RLAV::WEGERNJCD SWS, Piscataway NJ. 323-4468Tue Mar 14 1989 02:3230
    Dust off that old Wild Copper Disk, here's a fun surprise.

    A friend of mine (with alot more patience than myself) discovered
    the following.

    Run the "RV DEMO", The one with the rotating ray traced line images
    in front of a field of moving stars. LET IT RUN FOR 15 OR SO MINUTES.

    After you get to the part with a diamond inside of a square which
    rotates (and you've watched it rotate for several minutes) Press any of
    the "F" keys.  The display should freeze but the music will continue.

    You now have complete control of the screen object type and it's
    rotation direction and speed!

    Use the keypad. 4 re-enables object motion and will increase speed on
    successive presses (WOW will this thing move!).  The rest of the
    NUMBERED keys control object rotation direction and speed.

    Use the Up and Down arrows to sequence forward and backward though
    objects, most of which have never been seen before!

    I wonder what's 'hidden' in the other sections :')

    Enjoy
    	-bw
    
    
    
    PS.  Have patience. (my friend must have be in a stupor  :->
1796.55Sorry, but...AYOV28::ATHOMSONC'mon, git aff! /The Kelty ClippieTue Mar 14 1989 07:096
    Sorry to rain on your parade, but if you let the demo run and pay
    attention to the scrolling text along the bottom of the screen it
    actually tells you about this feature, complete with full instructions.
    
    
    					Alan T.
1796.56Sorry... I dont see it!RLAV::WEGERNJCD SWS, Piscataway NJ. 323-4468Tue Mar 14 1989 13:116
    I have never seen any scrolling text at the bottom on the RV Demo !!??
    
    Might this be a PAL/NTSC issue??
    
    Anyone in the states see this scrolling text??
    
1796.57I also found this.DNEAST::SEELEY_BOBTue Mar 14 1989 15:165
    Yes, the PAL text is not very visible on an NTSC monitor, but does 
    indicate the keys to press after a countdown of sorts.  I stumbled 
    onto this one a few months ago while viewing the ASCII text strings 
    embedded in the program.  It was the only way to easily see what 
    messages were scrolling by at the top of the screen.