Conference hydra::amiga_v1

    just to let you know... but there are other places that do deals
    on a2000 cpu's... such as "double ee electronics" right here in
    the heartland of omaha nebraska. jay at "ee" will trade you a 2000
    for $1000.00 and your 512k amiga 1000 (not sure on the deal for
    a a500) but if interested talk to jay at 1-402-334-7870 
    
                   enjoy...    signed dave peterson
                                      amiga users of the heartland
    
    
    

    Just to clarify the deal described in .0
    
    You get a new A2000 just by giving them the *serial number* of your
    A500 or A1000 plus $1095. You DON'T have to give them your old machine.
    

>< Note 1784.2 by CSC32::J_PARSONS "Like Lesser Birds on the 4 Winds..." >


 >   Just to clarify the deal described in .0
    
 >   You get a new A2000 just by giving them the *serial number* of your
 >   A500 or A1000 plus $1095. You DON'T have to give them your old machine.
    
Just did this deal with them, they said that they sarted with 65, have
30 left and will ship anywhere. When the 30 are gone the deal is over.

Like I said earlier, if anyone has dealt with these guys let me know
how it went.

                regards...  Clint

    I have a friend in GA who just got his 2000 via this deal. It came
    in in perfect condition, including the internal floppy which they
    installed for $145. Also the machines they are shipping include
    1.3 Kickstart rom's but 1.2 Workbench.
    
    I'm expecting mine Friday or Monday.

    Wow, it seems that a lot of these machines are going to DECcies.
    I'm supposed to get mine delivered tommorow also.  We'll see.

 < Note 1784.4 by CSC32::J_PARSONS "Like Lesser Birds on the 4 Winds..." >

    .....including the internal floppy which they installed for $145
    
    Does that mean this machine doesn't come with a floppy drive? or
    is that another 3-1/2 you are talking about??
    
    (counting my pennies)
    
    Robb

    re .6
    
    Sorry, this is the *2nd* internal floppy. The machine comes standard
    with a single floppy and I opted to get the 2nd internal drive
    installed and tested by them.

    
    	They're  "out of 'em now"  I just  "got the last one",  (how many
    times have I heard this line ?)  
    
    	They are currently taking names and numbers.  If/when they reach
    some economic_quantity_discount_reorder_quantity they will get back
    to Commodore with a big fat order and pass along (some of) the savings
    to the next batch of happy consumers.

    	Have a random number handy when you call, prefix it with the
    letters,  "CA",  it needs to be six or seven digits, but probably
    less than 2 million:-^)

    	Reg	{I think he said when the list gets back up to 40 or 50,
    			and its at 8 right now (15 minutes ago) }
    

>    	They're  "out of 'em now"  I just  "got the last one",  (how many
>    times have I heard this line ?)  

I called at about 1PM today and got on the waiting list.  When did you "get 
the last one"?  Joe said that he would talk to Commodore by Nov. 7th to try to 
get more units at this price.  If any of you are thinking of buying an A2000, 
I urge you to call him and leave your name.  I called many other places, and 
no one is even coming close to matching this deal.

The catch part of the deal is now that you must buy one of the following:

     1680 modem (1200 baud)  	$ 95
     2058 RAM expansion w/2M	 659
     1084S Monitor		 299
           Bridgeboard           559

Which do you people think is the most useful?

Thanks,
Sam

    The 1084S is really a nice addition with its built in stereo speakers.
    The price you quotes ($299) is what I paid for it in Maryland so
    it is in line I supposed. Let's face it, you have to have a monitor
    to begin so why not start with the 1084S. Memory prices (I think)
    have to come down eventually. For downloading, 2400 baud is a better
    choice. As for supporting MS-DOS, it's something that you could
    do by purchasing a clone if that's what you were realy looking for
    in a computer at home.
    
      Al

    Everyone I know who did this deal (including myself) went for the
    monitor, although I know someone who also went for the memory which
    isn't a bad price in comparison to some other dealers. 

    
    I'd go for the memory.  Although a stereo monitor is a nice thing,
    the display quality of Commodore's monitors is, er, lacking. 
                                                      
    I strongly recommend buying a multisync type monitor.  Any brand
    is OK, although personal tastes play a big role here.  A multisync
    can be had for $500-$900, with decent models available for $550.
    
    Why a multisync?  Because...
    
    1.  It will work with all current video modes on todays machines.
    
    2.  It will be absolutely required with not-too-future enhancements
        to the display hardware.
    
    There's just no possible way that a standard 15.75 KHz monitor will
    work with the new 640 x 400 non-interlaced 31.5 KHz display mode.
    
    Of course, most multisyncs don't even have a speaker, nor do they
    accept composite video input (Mitsubishi has some models that do),
    so you'll need an amplifier and speakers if you want to hear stereo.
    
    If cost is your only concern, then the 1084S is probably a wise
    choice.  I recommend spending more money up front so that you won't
    have to do it all over again a year down the road.
    
    Ed.
    

    re .9  (I think).  I had originally called on monday or tuesday,
    at that time they weren't sure because they were shipping 'em out
    and taking orders at the same time and there was a sync problem
    between order_takers, shipper-outers and stock-room counters.  So
    they took my number and promised to call back, which they did yesterday
    just as MR01 had its scheduled fire drill, etc.  Yes, I went for
    the 1084S monitor - I KNOW there are better monitors and I'd like
    one but, $$$s & since my main intent is to use this as a music work
    station the quality of the graphics will not be critically important
    to me.  I'll also let the little people play with it once in a while
    (I'm SUCH a NICE dad).  I also opted for the second 3.5 inch disk
    drive, $145 installed and tested, it will add a couple of days to
    delivery time.  I would LIKE more memory, but have heard of people
    sequencing as much as 40 minutes of 4 part music out of a A500's
    1Meg, I won't outgrow the basic A2000 for quite a while, in fact
    a A500 would have been adequate, but given this deal...etc.  By
    the time I feel a need (want) for more memory the prices of 
    1M x 1 chips will be down again and supply will be up, aka oil shortage
    of the mid 70's, 4M x 1 RAMs may be available at todays 1M x 1 prices
    by then too.  Oh, shipping to Hudson, Mass is $28, its coming CoD
    coz I've never heard of these people, but they've never heard of
    me either so UPS will be instructed to accept cash, money order
    or cashier's check only.

    	Reg	{ & I don't know WHY they want a serial number from
    			an A1000 or A500, but they do, so invent one }
    

    
    As a A1000 owner who has not upgraded (yet) to a A2000, I'd just
    like to say that making up a serial number is not a very nice thing
    to do.  In fact I'm not really sure if it is legal.
    
    	1.  Suppose you pick the number of my machine.  This will eliminate
    	    the possibility of my upgrading.
    	2.  You are really taking advantage of commodore's good nature
            in providing such an upgrade path for prior owners.  This
    	    will no doubt suggest to Commodore that they should not
    	    make these kind of upgrades possible to PRIOR customers.
    	    Sometime in the future you may want to upgrade yourself.
    
    Sorry to be such a prick, but I don't think some of you realize what
    you are saying or you wouldn't be advertising it in this forum.
    
    - steve

    re .14	My apologies to Steve and anyone else that may have been
    offended, it was a joke in poor taste - I'd like to retract it at
    this point.  I still don't really understand the need for it though,
    since this is NOT an upgrade but a deal to existing owners, i.e.
    one could take this deal and sell one's existing A1000 or A500 with
    no strings attached - it would seem that the new owner of that used
    system could then do the same - and so on - and so - etc.  
    
    	Reg
    
    	{As it turns out they shipped my system without waiting for
    me to call in a serial number anyway, so I'm even more confused now.}
    

Re: .13, .14, .15

The deal really is an upgrade deal.  The deal that the store gets from
Commodore is:

	1. The store sells a 2000 to an owner of a Amiga 500 or 1000,
	   and accepts the 500 or 1000 as a trade-in.

	2. The store sends in the serial number of the machine traded-in
	   to Commodore.  Commodore sends the store back money to underwrite
	   the upgrade deal.

	3. The store then sells the used Amiga 1000 or 500 to someone,
	   and thus makes more money off the deal.

When Commodore first offered this upgrade deal, some of the Amiga 1000
owners wished to keep their old machine.  So the store sold the machine
they just traded-in back to them.  Commodore stated that as long as
there was a Amiga 1000 that had been traded in exactly once as part
of the deal, they didn't mind who got the traded-in machine.

The stores really liked the trade-in buy back deal.  The store didn't
have to worry that the machine you traded-in didn't work.  The store
didn't have to worry about selling a used machine.  The store didn't
even have to see the machine traded in if you bought it back and
sent them the serial number (this was GREAT for mail-order shops!).

A year ago when I traded-in my 1000, I had to sign a paper saying the
machine had not been previously used in the upgrade offer (this could
have been just the Memory Location being super safe).  A few
weeks ago I traded-in a 1000 for a friend of who is in the hospital.
I didn't have to sign anything (I did that upgrade through Omnitek).
My friend even bought back his 1000, and sold it to the hospital (who
was very impressed by the software for the blind available for the Amiga).

So folks, don't take the joke in .13 seriously.  Making up a serial number
could get you and the store into a lot of trouble.  Trading in a previously
traded-in machine may even get you into a lot of trouble.

By the way, some serial numbers contain an internal "checksum" that
allows a serial number to be quickly verified.  (For example, the last
digit of the serial number might equal the sum of the other digits
in the serial number mod 10).  I don't if Commodore uses such a scheme
(such things are usually done so that data entry of serial numbers
can be quickly checked on invoices and the like without having a
list of all legal serial numbers).  If it does, it is trivial for
Commodore to identify made-up serial numbers.

re .8
    
>    They are currently taking names and numbers.  If/when they reach
>    some economic_quantity_discount_reorder_quantity they will get back
>    to Commodore with a big fat order and pass along (some of) the savings
>    to the next batch of happy consumers.

Latest word is that they have 40+ names on the waiting list. If they
    get 50 then they will do the tradein deal again for these 50 people.
    

    
    	...and mine DID arrive on friday.  It all seems to work OK,
    except the little dust door (?? whatever its called ??) on the right
    hand drive is either missing or is jammed permanently open - no big
    deal.  It didn't seem to work straight off because the right most
    button (alternate action type) on the 1084S monitor was in the wrong
    position, otherwise everything is FINE.  I poked around inside,
    nicely done - YIKE$, all the $pending opportunitie$ in tho$e empty
    $lot$.

    	Reg
    

Re: .18

>    except the little dust door (?? whatever its called ??) on the right
>    hand drive is either missing or is jammed permanently open - no big
>    deal.

It's missing :-).  The rightmost drive is df0:, the drive that came with
the machine from Commodore.  Commodore drives do not have the dust door.
So, there is nothing wrong there.

I spoke to Joe at Software Hut yesterday.  He said that Commodore has decided 
NOT to extend this offer, even though he had 50+ names (including about a 
dozen DEC people) ready to plunk down the cash.  I guess they're selling
enough at full price.  Thus, his best deal is $1475 for an A2000 (without
monitor).  

Have people heard any rumors of new deals coming for the holiday season or 
beyond?

Sam