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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

1062.0. "Leave hard drive running?" by 3124::OSBORNE (Blade Walker) Tue Jan 12 1988 15:08

This topic has probably be discussed before, so if there's a note
for it, just point. I looked with dir/title, to no avail. 

I have a 2000 with a Seagate drive. Ignoring electric costs, is it
better to leave it running all the time, or not? I have PopCLI and
usually turn off the monitor overnight. I know about power surging,
etc., but what about the drive's bearings and moving parts?

Thanks for advice,
John O.
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1062.1Who knows???WJG::GUINEAUW. John Guineau, RD Buyout engineeringTue Jan 12 1988 15:3330


I think this is a somewhat controversial issue...

Any electronic device undergoes stress when powered up/down.

when a disk drive (at least RD type class) is "off" it's heads
are resting on the media. When it powers up, the heads ride on the media until
sufficient air flow allows them to "fly". So there is some additional wear
and tear here. Also, some disk's use whats called "thin film media" which
has a funny lubricant. This media is succeptable to "stiction" - the heads
get stuck to the media! Although modern technology is curing this, it exists
over some small population and is usually aggravated by loooong periods
of being "off" (ie heads on media). RD54 has this stuff and we have
done both long term shelfing and start-stop testing (I believe 40-50,000
start-stops and keeps on ticking...)

In general, I guess its up to you. Way the possible effects agains noise/power
consumption and then take a good guess :-)

All disk devices (and other things as well) have an MTBF (Mean Time Before
Failure) associated with them. This means that after some time (typically 15 -
30K hours) a drive is expected to fail (although we've seen 40-50K in reality)


Hope this helps!

John

1062.2DICKNS::MACDONALDWA1OMM Listening 224.28Tue Jan 12 1988 17:041
    FYI 40K hours MTBF is approximately 4 1/2 years.
1062.3Don't spin down Winchester Disk DrivesCOOKIE::WITHERSSN*W is a 4-letter word!Wed Jan 13 1988 15:0333
    It is in general a bad idea to spin down winchester drives of any
    kind.  This is due to seeral factors:
    
    1) When drives spin down the heads land on the surface.  There is
    a measurable probablility (albeit small) that the heads will land
    too hard - basically a head-crash (contact event as its known in
    the trade).
    
    2) There is lubricant on the surface of the platter.  In some cases,
    the heads may stick in the lubricant (stickision) and have bad
    consequences as the drive spins up.
    
    3) Because of the centripital forces, the lubricant will migrate
    to the outer edges of the platter.  After a long time, there may
    not be sufficient libricants to prevent the heads from doing damage
    on landing or takeoff.
    
    4) The lubricant may glob causing a bumpy ride down for the heads
    - essentially not good for the heads.
    
    
    In the for what its worth department:
    
    MTBF is the MEAN time to failure, not how long it will take for
    YOUR unit to fail.  It is a statistic that is derived from the
    behaviour of the population of units.  40K hours says that you have
    a probability of one failure in an average of 40K drive hours.  Some people
    may see lots of failures early in the life of the products.  Other
    owners will not see a failure ever.  Put another way, if you have
    4 drives with a 40K Hr MTBF, you can EXPECT a failure on the AVERAGE
    of once every 10K hours.

    BobW
1062.4what about power failure?CIMNET::KYZIVATPaul KyzivatWed Jan 13 1988 21:197
I understand the merits of leaving the HD running, but how does one trade that
against the risks of damage from a nasty power failure?  Is it possible to get
power conditioners (cheaply) which shut down and wait for manual reset after the
first power failure?  I think that would be the best strategy for a home
computer, at least the way I use it.

	Paul
1062.5WJG::GUINEAUW. John Guineau, RD Buyout engineeringThu Jan 14 1988 11:3614

I agree with this 100%.

When a drive is powered down, it's heads are parked WHERE NO USER DATA IS
LOCATED.

When a drive is left spinning, the heads can be ANYWHERE. If the
drive/controller don't properly handle power failure (and bad glitches etc...)
then there is a MUCH greater potential for data corruption than if the drive
is powered down.

John

1062.6Will Parking helpAITG::WISNERThu Apr 07 1988 16:333
    With the SupraDrive they recommend "parking" the drive head before
    moving the drive.  Would it be worth it to run "PARK" everytime
    a shut the power off?
1062.7WJG::GUINEAUThu Apr 07 1988 16:485

Most drives park themselves at power down

John
1062.8?NAC::VISSERThu Apr 07 1988 16:503
    re.: -1
    	Oh, really?  Which ones do?  Do you mean most types of drives,
    or most of the installed base of drives?
1062.9WJG::GUINEAUFri Apr 08 1988 02:2214
                     
Winchester drives in general. 

Of the several RDxx drives DEC sells (RD52,RD53,RD54,RD31,RD32,RD33) 
only one (RD31) must be manually parked.


The basic method used is to re-direct the back-emf generated by the
spindle motor into the voice coil actuator to drive the heads
into a "landing zone"


John
1062.10Didn't see any parking...VTHRAX::KIPExplain the Universe and give 3 examples.Mon Jun 13 1988 18:316
I've watched the head motor as I've removed power from an RD50 and RD51 hard
drive...neither one seemed to automatically "park"; however, both did move the
heads to an intial position (track 0?) when I *applied* power to them.  Note
that I did not have any controller connected to either when I did this test.  I
would have tested an RD52 but am not sure where to look to detect head movement.

1062.11disk drivesWJG::GUINEAUTue Jun 14 1988 11:2647