Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Are you using the run command for vt100? (ie: run vt100). That'll multi-task
it for sure...

A friend of mine hacked one version of VT100 to go 19.2K, I suspect the
through-put was closer to 9.6K tho.  It was a pretty easy hack, but I 
dont recall all the steps.

Robb

    
    re: Hanging CLI.
    
    I'm not sure what your problem is here.  Are you doing a RUN VT100?
    What version of VT100 are you using?  You might want to do a
    DIR/TITLE=SMOKEY in this notesfile.  Smokey is a VT200 emulator
    which has many more features.  But the executable is considerably
    larger than Dave Wecker's VT100 version.

    re: The GURU
    
    Not much I can say here.  If it really bothers you, you might want
    to take a look at a utility called GOMF (Get Outta My Face).  I
    believe this is supposed to help one gracefully recover from GURU's.
    Although it may be meant to be used by programmers (I'm not sure).
    The other thing to point out is that when you get the *requester*
    which says "Software Error ..." the machine isn't really wiped out
    yet.  Normally you can ignore this for a short period of time. 
    Just click on or start up a different process than the one that
    brought the bad requestor... Save whatever files you can ... and
    then click on the requester and you'll get the guru.

    re: VT100 mulitasking, backspace, iconify.    

    As far as I know all of the VT100 versions multitask.  Try hitting
    Left-Amiga-N and Left-Amiga-M while the emulator is being displayed.
    It sounds like you have it configured to create a custom screen.
    Backspace/Delete swapping works fine in Smokey and Iconification is
    available in one of smokey's menues. 

    regards, 
    
    steve mcafee

    
    Sorry if for being repititious in .2, .1 beat me to the response
    while I was typing mine...

    You can copy Liebow's VT2xx emulator from PAULY"AMIGA"::VT200.ARC
    

I was copyiny VT100 and VT100.init to RAM:C (Where I place various commands
for quick CLI usage)

and then just typing VT100 (I am usually CD RAM:) This seemed to cause
hanging CLI after clicking the exit gadget then no CLI prompt after that)

After that I decided to run it off the WB disk from the ICON. Hasn't hung
CLI since...

I'll check VT200 out - Thanks.

BTW - How can I get a PATH RAM:C ADD executed when I (using POPCLI) pop up
a new CLI? (ie is there a login.com type thing for CLI?)

John

    John:
    
    When executing a program from any CLI window, typing the program
    name alone will 'lock' the current CLI until program execution is
    finished.  
    
    To free up the current CLI session, you must prefix the program
    name with the RUN command, ie; 'RUN VT100'.  This tells the Amiga
    to run VT100 as a new taks, and release the current CLI.
    
    Clicking on an executable's Icon from the WorkBench is equivilent
    to typing RUN XXX from the CLI in that the application will be treated
    as a new task.
    
    As far as VT100 goes, it opens up a full-sized, non-adjustable window
    on your Workbench screen.  This is why you can't 'Amiga-N' to a
    fresh screen; there isn't one; just a few open Workbench windows
    underneath.  To illustrate this, run DiskMan or some other program
    that opens a custom screen.  Now run VT100.  Amiga-N and Amiga-M
    should now toggle between the two screens.
    
    For people who are unfamiliar with the Amiga's environment, or are
    used to using only windows on a Mac, the concept of windows within
    screens on top of other screens can be confusing.
    

>    When executing a program from any CLI window, typing the program
>    name alone will 'lock' the current CLI until program execution is
>    finished.  

 If I just type VT100, when I click the VT100's exit gadget, the CLI should
 return (it does most of the time) right?
    
>    Clicking on an executable's Icon from the WorkBench is equivilent
>    to typing RUN XXX from the CLI in that the application will be treated
>    as a new task.

 So ICONS can only activate executable images? Can they activate a command 
file (called scripts on AmigaDOS?)?
    

>    For people who are unfamiliar with the Amiga's environment, or are
>    used to using only windows on a Mac, the concept of windows within
>    screens on top of other screens can be confusing.

(as I read mail in one VAXstation window, edit files in the other, read notes
in another, compile software in yet another...)

Not for me !


John    

    If you have copied the VT100 executable to RAM:, along with other
    utilities, then run VT100 on a 512K system, you could well be running
    the machine out of memory (especially if you just downloaded some
    stuff to RAM:).  If you're low enough on memory, poking gadgets
    may not even succeed if the system can't allocate memory to respond
    to anything.
    
    Remember, when you put something in RAM:, then run it from RAM:,
    you have two copies of the program in memory:  The one in RAM: and
    the one you're running.
    
    Probably not your problem, but just a guess.

Good possibility.

Come to think of it it only happened after LARGE downloads. (like berserk -
which drove me there!)

I do have 1 meg, but that gets used up real fast!

    Re:  Executing command files from an Icon...
    
    There is a utility floating around somewhere called 'XICON' that
    does just that.  You can even pass arguments to it in the 'tools'
    requestors in the Icon's INFO menu.
    
    Re:  Getting back the initial CLI
    
    Oh, maybe I misunderstood... Your CLI wouldn't always come back
    even when launching VT100 as a background task?  I must assume that
    you tried hitting the return key to get the prompt back?  If that
    doesn't work, I can't offer any other solutions...
    
    Ed.
    
    

    XICON is on Fish Disk 102. Which happens to be at 
    mvcad3::user0:[amiga.ff102]xicon.arc.
    
    Miguel A. Alvarez

Re: .7

> So ICONS can only activate executable images? Can they activate a command 
>file (called scripts on AmigaDOS?)?

An ICON for a "project" (data file) can also be used to run a command.  If
you click on a project icon and select "Info" from the Workbench menu, you
will see a field labeled "Default Tool."  If you click on that project icon
it will run the program named as the default tool for that icon, and feed
the project file name to it as an argument.  For example, some of the editors
create icons for files with the default tool set to the editor's name. 
Clicking on the file's icon causes it to be edited.

>>    For people who are unfamiliar with the Amiga's environment, or are
>>    used to using only windows on a Mac, the concept of windows within
>>    screens on top of other screens can be confusing.
>
>(as I read mail in one VAXstation window, edit files in the other, read notes
>in another, compile software in yet another...)
>
>Not for me !

Actually, nothing on the VAXstation is comparable to the Amiga's multiscreen
and multiwindow paradigm.  The VAXstation, the Amiga, and the Macintosh are
all multiwindowing.  This means that you can open many different windows
that possibly overlap at various locations on the screen.

The Amiga hardware is capable of changing the screen resolution (both
horizontally and vertically), the color palette, and number of bitplanes
used to form an image on every scan line.  The Amiga operating system
allows this to be taken advantage of by introducing the concept of a
(software, or virtual) screen.  A (software) screen on the Amiga has
associated with it a vertical and horizontal resolution and a color
palette.  Windows on the Amiga are always part of a particular screen;
a window's screen determines the resolution of the window and the colors
that may be used to render it.

Many screens may be active at once.  Screens have drag bars so that they
may be pulled up and down on the physical display.  Screens also have
window-like front and back gadgets so that screens can be stacked
covering completely other screens (and all the windows on those screens).

If you think of windows representing multiple virtual terminals on a
workstation, you can think of an Amiga's screens as representing multiple
virtual workstations.

Now that makes sense. So thats why you can grab the top of a "window"
and stuff it under the monitor :-). The terminology here is either
incorrect or just not the same as DEC or whatever.

In effect, your not pulling down a WINDOW, your pulling down a SCREEN -
which can contain many windows.

What a machine!

John

    Now you get it.  That was the intent of my earlier message.  This
    fantastic feature is often lost on the casual user or one who just
    drops in for a quick dealer demo.
    
    As far as I know, no other machine can display all of it's resolutions,
    and radically different pallet combinations on the same monitor
    at the same time.  If you have enough memory, you can have a 320
    x 400 4,096 color HAM image on one screen, a 640 x 400 16 color
     screen, and a few 640 x 200 4 color screens all up at the same
    time.  

Come to think of it, that really is a neat feature.

On that STARTER disk you gave me (Thanks) I had all 5 pictures up
and stuffed under the monitor. I could still use CLI, and occasionally
pull up a picture or two to look at (By the way, do you have Laurie's number?!?)

John

    Re:  Laurie...
    
    
    Shhhhhhhh... if word gets out on Laurie, I'll be sending disks to
    half the company.
    
    

MAybe I'll be crazy enough to UL her (use you imagination)    

    If it's digitized from the real thing then definitely UL!

    other computers also support display lists or some sort of raster
    interrupts to let you play with the things controlling the display.
    
    But the Amiga is the only system i've encountered that has implemented
    that kind of stuff at the end user level.  Screens neatly solve
    the problem of multiple application, each wanting a full screen output.
    
    -dave

That's true. I remember programs on the VIC 20 which used the raster interrupt
to get multiple colored horizontal sections on the same screen (advanced stuff
for the VIC!) I think it was called Split Screen.

But this is hardly comparable to Amiga's capability. After writing .-(whatever)
I thought thee must be other larger workstation systems which did this, but
certainly not in the $1-2K range.

>    If it's digitized from the real thing then definitely UL!

Not sure where she came from. But if Ed dosen't mind, I'd be happy to UL
all 5 pictures! (Except, maybe I'll copy Laurie to HIS directory! :-))

John

    Sure, you can upload anything you want.  I don't remember which
    pictures I put on the disk, but they are all Public Domain anyway.
    
    One of the pictures features a nude Playboy (tm) centerfold.  If
    this sort of thing offends you, don't look at it.
    

Ok, I'll get them tonoght and UL tomorrow.

John    

Sorry for the delay. (I actually took a day off Friday!)

There are 4 nice pictures, ILBM format with VIEWILBM in 

		WJG""::AMIGA:PICS.ARC 

(along with other PD stuff I'm collecting)


John

P.S.  	I claim no responsibility for any offense taken to anything you
	might be offended by here!  :-) (It's really not that bad!)