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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

738.0. "Need ARC help" by COMET::FULTON () Thu Sep 24 1987 01:31

        Note: all the files referred to below were obtained from
        
                COOKIE""::DISK$GZ_2:[WECKER.AMIGA]



        What I have accomplished:
        
        - transferred .ARC files to my PC-DOS machine via Kermit
        
        - examined, extracted from, tested, etc.  said  .ARC files on my
          PC-DOS machine and am fully confident that they are OK
          
        - successfully unARCed a .ARC file on my PC-DOS  machine,  which
          resulted in a .UUE file.   Sucessfully  uudecoded .UUE file on
          my  PC-DOS  machine  and Kermited resulting binary  to  Amiga.
          Binary  file ran fine on Amiga.  (Note:    I  only  used  this
          method as a test;  I would much prefer  to  do the unARCing on
          the  Amiga.) These results prove that my comm programs are  OK
          and  that  I  am  performing correct file xfer operations (SET
          FILE TYPE BINARY, etc.).
          
        Now the problem:
        
        - I don't want to have to unARC all the .ARC files on my PC-DOS
          machine first  and  then  transfer  the resulting files to the
          Amiga (that  would  result  in a much longer xfer time).  As I
          said before, I  would  like  to  do the unARCing on the Amiga.
          This is what I have tried along those lines:
          
          - I tried both ARC23.ARC and ARC16.BIN.  On ARC23.ARC, I tried
            all of the following:  I xferred it as it was;  I ran CVTARC
            u  ARC23.ARC  ARC23TEST1.ARC  on  it  and    then    xferred
            ARC23TEST1.ARC;  and I ran CVTARC v ARC23.ARC ARC23TEST2.ARC
            on it and then xferred ARC23TEST2.ARC.  All  xfers were made
            using  same  exact  methods  that  had  proved successful as
            earlier  described.    Once  I  got these various flavors of
            ARC23.ARC to  my  PC-DOS machine, I unARCed the original (it
            was the only  one  that  seemed OK) on my PC-DOS machine and
            Kermited  the  resulting AmigArc.023  to  the  Amiga.    For
            ARC16.BIN, I just xferred it  as  it  was.   The results for
            both AmigArc.023 and ARC16.BIN on the  Amiga:   words to the
            effect of "Unable to execute;  not an object file."
            
        So, the upshot is that I know  I  can  successfully  xfer binary
        files  via  Kermit from VMS to PC-DOS to  Amiga;    but  all  my
        efforts to get a working copy of ARC for  the  Amiga have proved
        fruitless.  I have now xferred several hundred K of  .ARC  files
        to the Amiga, but now have no way of unARCing them.  HELP!!!!
        
        (It  is not a solution to xfer directly from VMS to  the  Amiga;
        the Amiga is not located such that that would be a possibility.)
        
        Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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738.1Fixobj to strip out trailing junkMPGS::BAEDERThu Sep 24 1987 21:476
    re: cvtarc...Thats if you want to transfer using xmodem...the files
    as they are...fixed 128, or variable 510, are the format for kermit.
    
    as for the inability to execute th executable images...try fixobj
    (I think) on an earlier fish disk to strip any trailing junk from
    the end of the file...(sometimes Amy is finiky that way:-)
738.2We need a new binary file.HOUSE::FRACTALFri Sep 25 1987 02:1713
    
    Fixhunk is not the answer. The Arc16.bin comes out to 12000 bytes
    when transfered with both Kermit and Xmodem w/stripping. The problem
    is that the current arc16.bin in Wecker's account has somehow been
    converted to a different storage method. I know because a while
    ago I used Xmodem to D/l it and it worked fine. Unfortunately, my
    arc disk crashed. Ever since then I have had no luck. What we need
    is somebody to re U/l arc in binary format. Not as another Arc.
    (Yes Ive tried extracting arc.023, it still comes out to be 12xxx
    bytes)
    
    -ph
    
738.3Ok...I did it!MPGS::BAEDERFri Sep 25 1987 03:4322
    re: .2
    
    Your right...I leaped before I looked....anyway, to make ammends,
    uploaded a new ARC.BIN (99 blocks) in kermit format...(down loaded
    it to check, and runs fine...settings on vt200 kermit transfer mode
    are:
    		Image ON
    		Text OFF
    		Convert OFF  (sometimes I forget this one!)
    
    Should be 99 blocks...(510 byte max records)
    
    Can be found in...
    
    		MPGS::USER3:[BAEDER.WECKER]ARC.BIN
    					|
    					+--IN HONOR OF THE GREAT VT100
    					   MASTER ...THANKS DAVE
    
    if you have problems, let me know...
    
    scott.
738.4ARC.BIN == AmigaArc023MPGS::BAEDERFri Sep 25 1987 03:454
    re: .3
    
    This is arc023 form the arc file of the same name...scott
    
738.5Maybe my problem wasn't with ARC.BINCOMET::FULTONFri Sep 25 1987 04:5942
        Thanks to  all  who  replied.   I believe that I was somewhat in
        error in .0.    When  I  stated  that I had successfully xferred
        binary from VMS to  PC-DOS to Amiga, I was only partially right.
        It turns out that what I really successfully accomplished was:
        
                VMS --> PC-DOS: SHAR file that included a .UUE

                unSHARed SHAR file on PC-DOS & uudecoded .UUE on PC-DOS
                
                Kermited resulting binary (which happened to be unshar)
                to Amiga, and it ran fine
                
        After having the above sequence  occur,  I  assumed,  "Well,  it
        seems that I can successfully xfer  binary  files from PC-DOS to
        Amiga, so I will just xfer a  bunch  of  .ARC  files from VMS to
        PC-DOS to Amiga, xfer the binary unARC utility  for the Amiga to
        the Amiga, and just unARC the files on the  Amiga."  As I stated
        in .0, that didn't work.
        
        So, today I tried a different tack.  I unARCed  some files on my
        PC-DOS machine (the ARC program on my PC seemed to indicate that
        the .ARC file was just fine;  I had no problems extracting files
        from it)  and  xferred  the  resulting binaries to the Amiga.  I
        used the exact  method  of  xfer  that  had  resulted in the one
        successful binary PC-DOS to Amiga xfer described above, but with
        all 5 binaries I tried, I  received  the "Can't execute;  not an
        object module" error message.  So, it  seems  that  my  original
        statement about having confidence in my ability to xfer binaries
        from VMS to PC-DOS to Amiga was wrong.
        
        What's puzzling is that I can successfully unARC the files on my
        PC  and  read the resulting text files (even tho CR/LF's seem to
        be  missing),  but when I xfer binaries to the Amiga, they won't
        execute (with the one exception mentioned earlier).
        
        Note:   on  the  Amiga, I am using C-Kermit vintage 1986, which,
        according to the  documentation,  supports  xfer of binary files
        (and, as I have  reiterated  many times now, DID successfully do
        so once).  As soon  as  I  can  get  Dave Wecker's VT100 package
        xferred to the Amiga, I intend to use that instead.
        
        Again, thanks for any help that can be provided.
738.6Set file type fixed? FIXOBJ?COMET::FULTONFri Sep 25 1987 06:338
      After browsing thru 406.*, I now wonder about 2 things:

        - should I have SET FILE TYPE FIXED instead of 
          SET FILE TYPE BINARY on the VAX?

        - should I try using FIXOBJ on the binaries once they're
          xferred?  (If so, I need to know where I can get it; I 
          can't find it in either Wecker or Acciardi accounts.
738.7I GIVE UPCOMET::FULTONSat Sep 26 1987 13:4818
        Well, I  guess  I'm  going  to  give  up on the idea of xferring
        binary files VMS  -->  PC-DOS  --> Amiga.  It appears that it is
        just not possible to  accomplish  that.   I xfer binaries to and
        from VMS and PC-DOS all  the  time  with  no  problems;  I guess
        there's something "funny" about AmigaDos.
        
        I  even went as far as to get AmigArc023.ARC directly  from  the
        author's BBS.  This was BBS --> PC-DOS --> Amiga.  I unARCed the
        file fine  on PC-DOS, then Kermited AmigArc.023 to Amiga.  Guess
        what:  "Can't execute;  file not an object module." I GIVE UP!!!
        
        I guess if  I want to get the files I am going to have to figure
        out some way to  break the PC-DOS --> Amiga step and go directly
        to the Amiga.  Unfortunately,  I  don't think I'll be able to do
        that.
        
        Is there nobody who has ever  gone  VMS  -->  {PC-DOS, MS-DOS on
        Rainbow, CPM, or anything similar} --> Amiga with binary files?
738.8???LEDS::ACCIARDISun Sep 27 1987 02:0616
    I can't explain why you can't xfer binary from the PC to the Amiga.
    It may be that the PC is re-padding the file as it transfers to
    the Amiga.  In this case, FixOBJ should work.
    
    All I can suggest is that you try to attach the Amiga to the modem
    and download directly to AmigaDOS.
    
    I have been using Dave Wecker's VT100_2.6 with Kermit with 100%
    success.  I have had occasional problems with Xmodem though.
    
    If you are in a Catch-22 in terms of getting ARC and VT100 to your
    Amiga, I will be glad to send you a disk;  I can also copy to your
    directory the version of VAX Kermit that I have been using.
                                                    
    Ed Acciardi
    
738.9ECCD31::JAERVINENMon Sep 28 1987 07:582
    It works fine for Rainbow MS-DOS for me (see note 322).
    
738.10WORKS FOR ME!?POLAR::GOSLINGKANATA MFG I.S.Mon Sep 28 1987 11:5313
       re: .7
       
       I can't figure what you are doing wrong, unless I am missing
       something.
       
       I have created 1-2-3 files on the Rainbow, kermited them to the
       VAX and then kermited to my AMIGA for use with VIP Professional -
       no problem!  I have also done the reverse operation - no problem!
       
       
       Art
       
738.11Thanks for suggestions; still working on problemDONNER::FULTONMon Sep 28 1987 16:1420
        Re: .10 -

        In your  xfers,  were  you xferring binary or text files?  I can
        successfully xfer text  files  VMS-->  PC-DOS  --> Amiga all day
        long;  it's binary  files that come out AFU ("...;  Not a Object
        Module.").

        What's really interesting is that when I have the Amiga binaries
        on my PC-DOS machine, I can  use  a  utility  that  allows me to
        browse thru binary files and see much readable ASCII included in
        the  binary  file  (for  example,  I can see  the  ARC  menu  in
        AmigArc.023).  I've looked at the end of the  binary  to  see if
        there's  any  obvious "junk" at the end of the file;    I  can't
        detect  any (but then I'm not at all familiar with Amiga  binary
        file structure).
        
        Maybe my problem is the  Kermit  I'm  using  on  the Amiga.  I'm
        using      the    old    (1986)    Amiga    C-Kermit        from
        MKTUP1::KERMIT:CKIKER*.*.  As soon as I can get VT100_26 xferred
        to the Amiga, I intend to start using that.
738.12POLAR::GOSLINGKANATA MFG I.S.Mon Sep 28 1987 17:0414

       re: .11
       
       I'm talking "put-your-screen-into-graphics-mode-if-you-TYPE-them"
       binaries, ie: Lotus 1-2-3 xxxx.wks files.
       
       I have been using DBW's VT100 since day one, using Kermit as the
       transfer protocol.  Simply "set file type binary" on the VAX side
       and use "image" mode on the AMIGA side and away we go.
       
       Art