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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

572.0. "Preschool software" by BUNSUP::LITTLE (Todd Little NJCD SWS 323-4475) Fri Jun 26 1987 02:41

    Does anyone have any experience with the C64 emulator that was
    mentioned in a much earlier note from I think it was Software Kingdom?
    The reason I ask, is I'm concerned about the availability of
    educational software for preschool and early grade school for the
    Amigas.  I've also been told that many of the C64 packages may come
    on cartridges, and as such, the C64 emulator won't do me any good.
    Is my only choice to by TWO machines?
    
    -tl
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572.1C'64 Emulator UnlikelyLEDS::ACCIARDIFri Jun 26 1987 11:499
    Don't count on a C'64 emulator.  There was a big discussion on USENET
    awhile back, and the consensus was that the C'64 would be almost
    impossible to emulate, even with an Amiga or Atari ST.  This is
    because the C'64 uses a lot of custom ICs.
    
    There is a fair amount of educational software for the Amiga already,
    usually with built-in speech.  You should drop into the Memory Location
    in Wellesley, MA for a hands-on demo of anything you'd want the
    kids to use.
572.2Get a C64GNERIC::SANTIAGODDT: the ONLY programming language!Fri Jun 26 1987 11:5232
    This was discussed on USEnet a while back - the conclusion was
    that you ARE better off buying 2 machines. In the first place, 
    even tho the 68K is running at 8 (well, 7.14 for you purists) 
    MHz, memory fetches actually turn out to be slower than on
    a 2MHz 6502, so try as the emulator might, there's no way in
    Hades it's going to match the speed of the C64 (gawd doesn't
    that sentence sound HORRIBLE??). Also, the 64 has some custom
    chips for graphics and probably I/O - there's no way these
    could be emulated in real time, even with all of Amy's chipset.
    
    Then, as you mention, you'd need to get hardware for reading
    cartridges, a tape player, a disk drive (the one that "reads
    data faster than you can type it in!" ;^), a Marantz stereo
    amplifier with Linn Diamond speakers (hey, you want the sound
    effects to be realistic, don't you?) and a Mercedes 450SL 
    just for the hell of it. Not only will this wind up costing
    some $$$, it will also take up more desk space than a simple
    C64. Also, the 64 can probably be bought these days for less
    than a song, and if your Amy ever goes down you can always
    use it standalone. 
    
    I have a friend with both Amy and C64, what he does is stuff
    the 64 in a desk drawer (plugged in and all) so when he needs
    to use it he just open his desk drawer and switches the
    monitor to composite in. To be perfectly honest this sounds
    like a better arrangement to me than having to boot up an
    emulator on the Amiga which would not only take a long time
    to load, but would also probably be non-multitasking. 
    
    Anyway just my $0.02 (well, maybe a bit more).
    
    -Ed
572.3No substitute for the REAL thing.ULTRA::KINDELBill Kindel @ LTN2Fri Jun 26 1987 12:5717
    Assuming there are a fair number of C-64 applications which you'll
    want/need to run, I'd agree that it makes more sense to get a real C-64
    than to hope for a decent emulation on the Amiga.  A used C-64 runs
    about $100; a used C-1541 disk is about the same.  You *don't* need the
    cassette drive unless you live in Europe (they're big there, for some
    reason).  You probably won't need to buy a monitor (either hook the
    C-64 to the composite inputs on the Amiga monitor and flick the switch,
    or hook it up to your TV set). 
                                   
    A BIG plus is that you won't have sticky fingers all over your Amiga
    keyboard!  If the kids abuse the C-64 (including unplugging cartridges
    while it's powered up) you have very little at risk. 
    
    Speaking of cartridges, SOME C-64 software comes that way, but the bulk
    of it is on diskettes.  Many of the latter are heavily copy-protected,
    so the only real guarantee that they'll work is with a REAL C-64 and
    C-1541, not an emulator.