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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
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Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

394.0. "PAL, NTSC and EDTV" by CSSE::WARD () Mon Mar 23 1987 12:51

        The  VHS  chrominance  AM carrier  yields  230 to 240  lines  of
        resolution.  With  the  appearance  of  JVC Super VHS,  upto 430
        lines  of  horizontal resolution  will  be  available. IBMs' yet
        unannounced PCs  are rumored to  support 600 x 400 and with EDTV 
        (Extended Definition television) on  the  way,  will  the  A1000 
        Amiga video be able to take advantage of this video technology?

        The logical follow-on to this is, is the video option approach
        of A2000 a superior approach for a computer-video setup?

        [Video Magazine, April 1987  has  super  VHS,  Camcorders  and a 
         player that supports NTSC as well as the PAL standard, Page 115 
         in Ad Section]
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394.1394.0 continuedCSSE::WARDMon Mar 23 1987 14:2821
From 394.0 Author - Here is an example of why tape format is important
    
    Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Path: decwrl!pyramid!amdahl!twg-ap!styx!ames!rutgers!seismo!dalcs!dalcsug!philip
Subject: Professional video
Posted: 19 Mar 87 21:15:35 GMT
Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, N.S., Canada
 
I am currently working for a company who wants to put together a professional
looking presentation using video on the Amiga.  We are currently using
Aegis animator and images as well as Digi-View.  I am wondering what are
the best tools out there for doing this?  Has anyone used/seen Caligari?
What advise can you give me?  Do I need genloc?  What type of tape machine
is best (beta/vhs/ .75 inch/ etc) to use.
Please mail me your replies and I will post a summary to the net of the
replies I get.  
 
Thanks,
Peter Philip
 
Look ma, no disclaimer!!
394.2EDTV???LDP::WEAVERLaboratory Data ProductsMon Mar 23 1987 21:4410
    If EDTV is the mult-comb filter approach of increasing resolution,
    then I doubt that the Amiga would make full use of it.  You need
    the video source to implement multi-comb filters, and I don't know
    of any products that currently do this.  If EDTV is using harmonic
    modulation the same would apply.
    
    Can someone please explain EDTV for those of us who haven't heard
    that particular term before?
    
    							-Dave
394.3Leave it to Weaver?CSSE::WARDWed Mar 25 1987 18:26103
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Note 1049.0                 Super VHS (S-VHS) defined                  4 replies
LDP::WEAVER "Laboratory Data Products"               31 lines  24-MAR-1987 18:19
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    ...
    
      S-VHS will use a new high-bias, oxide-based videotape formultion,
    allowing these next-generation VCR's to achieve greater than 400-line
    video recording resolution.  That exceeds the recording capability
    of the best VHS and Super-Beta consumer VCRs and represents a broader
    recording spectrum than most TV stations now transmit.
    
    Larger Bandwidth Needed
    
      Achieving 400-line resolution requieres a new 7-MHz bideo bandwdth,
    more than 1-MHz greater than traditional broadcast NTSC bideo. 
    So, JVC engineers have devised a means of separating the chrominance
    and luminance video information of NTSC to allow greater signal
    bandwidth for each.  During playback, the color and picture detail
    video information is again combined into an NTSC-compatible video
    signal for playback on standard TV receivers.
      Horizontal resolution exceeds 400 lines.  Sound is recorded in
    an FM format, taking advantage of the new 7-MHz tape bandwidth of
    S-VHS over the standard VHS format space.
      While price an availability have note yet been set, the first
    machines are expected to debut at the Summer Consumer Electronics
    Show in Chicago in 10 weeks.  They are expected to be capable of
    record and playback in the standard VHS SP (two hour) and EP (six
    hour) recording modes.
    ...
    
    Reprinted from Electronic Engineering Times - Monday, March 23,
    1987, page 37.
    
    						-Dave
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QUARK::LIONEL "Free advice is worth every cent"      11 lines  24-MAR-1987 19:35
                    -< No mention of record time in S-VHS? >-
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    Sounds pretty good.  I wonder what the record time will be on
    T-120 tapes?  I think this notion of separating the luminance and
    chrominance info is already used in some professional equipment,
    such as Betacam, but the tape speeds there are faster than anything
    currently used by Beta or VHS.  Would a one-hour record time in
    S-VHS mode on a T-120 be acceptable?  I dunno...  If they do have
    to make the tape move faster, that makes it less likely that there
    would be prerecorded tapes in S-VHS, as movies would have to be
    put onto two or more tapes (two hours at SP is a limitation already
    in VHS).
    					Steve
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RICKS::PEKKALA "Let go my Eggo"                       9 lines  25-MAR-1987 07:48
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Hurray!!!  Hurray!!!  There is hope for VHS!!!

Now, will it be compatible with older tapes?  If Steve is right, and the speed
has changed, I think not...  So, ...

Boooo!!!  Boooo!!!  Another incompatible format has been created!!!  Will
somebody please shoot those marketeers!!!

rep
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QUARK::LIONEL "Free advice is worth every cent"      10 lines  25-MAR-1987 09:48
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    Re: .2
    
    All of the reports so far say that S-VHS tapes will NOT play
    back on regular VHS decks.  Yes, this is an entirely new format.
    The clever part is that you'll really be buying two VCRs in one
    - one that plays and records S-VHS and another that plays and records
    VHS (the latter is what is claimed, but we'll have to wait for the
    actual units to see).

    					Steve
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VIDEO::HOFFMAN                                       13 lines  25-MAR-1987 14:54
                          -<  S-VHS time same as VHS >-
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RE: -< No mention of record time in S-VHS? >- 

The news item in Electronic Engineering Times states 2 hours time
for SP and 6 hours time for EP, implying same speed as standard VHS.

Keeping in mind that the triumph of VHS over Beta is probably wholly
attributable to VHS's longer recording time, it is doubtful JVC,
Mitsubishi, Sharp, Hitachi and Matsushita would fall into the short
play time trap at this stage of the game... 

-- Ron