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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
Notice:Join us in the *NEW* conference - HYDRA::AMIGA_V2
Moderator:HYDRA::MOORE
Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

374.0. "CPU differences and compatibility ??" by LAUSAN::BLANC (Phil Lausanne-CH 13-MAR-1987 10:57) Fri Mar 13 1987 08:21

    Hi
    As I become interested in the Amiga computer (actually owner of
    a C128) ,can anybody either point me to a note or explain what 
    are the real differences between the 500,1000 and 2000 (CPU chip)
    and specially if they are compatible between each other ?
    In fact question is : can a game buyed for the 1000 run the same
    way on the 500 or 2000 ?
                  
    Thanks		Phil
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374.1AUTHOR::MACDONALDWA1OMM Listening 224.64Fri Mar 13 1987 09:595
    CPU's are the same for all and software is cross-compatible.
    
    Only significant differences seem to be where the boxes expand from.
    The A500 expands from the left, the A1000 expands from the right,
    and the A2000 expands from within.
374.2BAGELS::BRANNONDave BrannonFri Mar 13 1987 16:1212
    The only software compatiblity issue is the few programs that
    did illegal calls to the OS that broke with the 1.2 release.
    
    On the 500 and 2000, the 1.2 Kickstart is in ROM
    On the 1000 it loads from disk into write-protected 256K RAM
    (not part of the 512K chip memory)
    
    The 1.1 Kickstart should be able to load from disk on the 500 and 2000,
    not sure, since they haven't shipped yet.  But can it be
    write-protected after loading?
    
    -dave
374.3Another 500 Difference?TLE::RMEYERSRandy MeyersFri Mar 13 1987 19:5727
Re: .2

I very much doubt that the 500 and 2000 can write protect a version
of Kickstart read in to RAM.  One of Commodore's major goals for the
new Amiga's was to cost reduce the machines.  I read that the write
controlled Kickstart memory of the Amiga 1000 adds $200 to the retail
cost of the machine (yes, that figure DOES sound a bit high).  So,
going to ROMs (I hope with sockets!) allows Commodore to save on
the cost of the machines.

Another (somewhat invisible) difference between the 500 and the other
machines is that it sounds like it has only one memory bus.  On the 1000
and 2000, memory can either be on the chip bus or the processor bus.
Memory on the chip bus is called in Amiga terms "chip memory," while
memory on the processor bus is called "fast memory."

In graphics modes where the special chips in the Amiga have to cycle steal,
only accesses to chip memory cause the 68000 to stall.  Fast memory never
has any contention problems.  Most of the time there is no difference
between fast memory and chip memory because you have to be using some
pretty gee whiz features on the Amiga before it happens.  (People can
see I spend most of my time talking to the workbench screen.)

The 500 (or at least I surmise) has only a chip bus, and thus all memory
is chip memory.  This sounds like another cost reduction: Commodore doesn't
have to put the addition memory driving hardware in to the 500, and thus
saves in cost.
374.4No Kick on new AMIGAELWOOD::PETERSTue Mar 17 1987 01:235
    
    	From what I have heard the 500 and the 2000 can't kickstart
    from disk.