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Conference hydra::amiga_v1

Title:AMIGA NOTES
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Created:Sat Apr 26 1986
Last Modified:Wed Feb 05 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5378
Total number of notes:38326

307.0. "5.25" floppy drives on Amiga?" by ECC::JAERVINEN (impersonal name) Fri Feb 06 1987 12:40

    Has anyone tried connecting any 5.25" floppy drives (especially
    RX50's) to the Amiga?
    
    I understand the floppy interfaces are pretty standard nowadays,
    so it should probably be possible. What is required on the SW side?
    How does AmigaDOS know what kind of floppies are connected?
    
    This would enable me to transfer the loads of floppies I have for
    the Rainbow to the Amiga (easier and faster that kermiting or some
    such). Would also be practical for downline loading, if some kind
    sould would write a VMS program to produce floppies in the AmigaDOS
    format... (someone did ot for MS-DOS and it really was easier tht
    way to get programs off the net).
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307.1IBM 5-1/4 drive on an Amiga (old news)MTBLUE::PFISTER_ROBSteak knife, puta hole in my headTue Mar 22 1988 16:07230
heres the poop from usenet (kinda old) on how to hook up an IBM 5-1/4 drive
to an Amiga.  I helped a friend do this, so I know it works.  

Robb
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From: oberon!spencer@caip.rutgers.edu (Randy Spencer)
Subject: Hooking an IBM drive to the Amiga
Date: 2 Apr 86 18:07:28 GMT
Apparently-To: info-amiga-from-usenet@RUTGERS
 
"zipity do da, zipity ay, my oh my, what a wonderful day!"
 
A while back someone on another net suggested a way to connect
a 5 and 1/4 inch drive to the Amiga, well a friend picked up on
it and designed a circuit board and built the circuit.  When he
was done he had a working 5 1/4 drive for the IBM emulator.  Since
I have just ordered PC/ET I asked him if I could have a description
of its construction.  When he sent it to me I felt that it would
be something of interest to the net.  Here than is "How to build
and IBM drive for the Amiga"  schematic and all (hope you can
read it).  If you have any questions you may contact him or me,
I will hopefully have built one myself soon.
 
I would be interested in anyone who is working on building an 880k
amiga compatible 5 1/4 " drive.  I do however see more practical
use for the 5 1/4" drive to be IBM compatible.  Enjoy!
 
--------------------------------------------
 
      Connecting a standard 5.25" IBM compatable drive to the Amiga
 
Parts:
 
    DB25 connector (male, ribbon cable type) with pins 13 and 25 cut off
       (the pin numbers given from now on will treat it as a DB23 con-
        nector, i.e. 1-12 on the top and 13-23 on the bottom-be careful!)
    34 pin edge connector for standard disk drives
    25 conductor ribbon cable
    12 volt power supply at least 1.5 amps
    7805 voltage regulator (TO-220 type) for +5 supply from 12 volts
    7474 D flip-flop (Commodore uses LS type, but it doesn't seem to
       matter)
    7438 open collector quad NAND gate
    (5)  1K resistors
    An IBM compatable disk drive (I used a Qume QT-142 from JDR
       Microdevices, $69.95)
 
    You can get everything but the ICs from Radio Shack.
 
Procedure:
 
    Attach the ribbon cable to the DB23 connector and cut to length.
    Cut cable apart so that wires are about 1-1.5 inches long with
    about 1/4 inch of the end stripped.  (Remember the two end wires
    will be pins 13 and 25 of the DB25 connector, which should not
    be used.)
 
    Attach the ribbon cable to the 34 pin edge connector as follows:
 
    DB23            34 edge
 
    2            30            Read Data
    3-7            1-33 (odd)        Ground
    13            32            Select Head 1
    14            28            Write Protect
    15            26            Track 0
    16            24            Write Enable
    17            22            Write Data
    18            20            Stepper Pulse
    19            18            Stepper Direction
    22            8            Index
 
    I used a 12V power supply and mounted a 5V regulator on the disk drive
    itself for the +5V supply.  The other connector on the drive is the
    power supply input.  If unmarked, you can find which pin(s) is ground
    by checking for continuity between the alleged ground pin and pin 7
    of a 14 pin TTL chip on the board.  Pin 14 of a 14 pin TTL chip is +5,
    find the +5 input the same way. The remaining input is +12.  The motor,
    when turning, draws 1 amp from the +12 supply, and the drive draws
    about 0.35 amps from the +5 supply (typical values).  Power it any way
    you like, but make sure it meets these minimal requirements.

    Build the circuit given on the schematic, and attach wires (from
    Amiga's DB23 connector) 1,8,10, and 21 as shown on diagram.
    The outputs of that circuit go to the Drive Enable and Hub Motor
    Drive inputs on the disk drive.  On my Qume that was pins 16 and
    12, respectively.  On other drives the Drive Enable might be 12 or 14,
    and the Motor Drive 10 or 16.  The correct Motor Drive input is the
    one that starts the motor spinning when you ground that pin.  You
    might have to experiment to find the right Drive Enable.  (The drive
    light will come on when it is grounded, I think).
 
Notes:
 
         This drive will work ONLY as a 360K IBM drive.  It would work as
         a standard Amiga drive it it could step past track 40, but it
         can't.  Perhaps a quad density (like the Teac FD-55F from JDR)
         would work, but I don't know if it would function as a standard
         IBM drive in emulator mode.
 
         If you want to hook up another drive, build the identical circuit
         but use the SEL2B line instead of the SEL1B line.  Commodore
         "steps down" drive lines as they go through each drive, i.e.
         SEL2B becomes SEL1B and SEL3B becomes SEL2B at the output of the
         external drive.  So when you make this drive SEL1B, the computer
         addresses it as df1: if it is hooked up to the disk port on the
         back of the Amiga, and df2: if it is hooked up to the port on the
         back of the external drive.
 
         The CHNG line (pin 11) is unused in IBM mode.  If you try a quad
         density drive and want to use it as a normal Amiga drive, then
         hook up a switch to ground (?) this line when a disk is removed.
 
         If the IBM drive is plugged in, the drive's power MUST be on.
         If the power is off, the system will not boot because it can't
         read any of the drives properly.  If the Amiga's up and running
         and the drive is turned off, the next time the Amiga tries to
         read any disk in any drive it will corrupt that disk (I lost
         a couple this way before I realized the problem.)  So when you
         first test your new drive, set the write protects on your
         Kickstart and Workbench disks to prevent damage.  After that,
         keep the power on or unplug the drive from the Amiga when not
         in use.
 
         I lifted the schematic directly from Commodore's 3.5 inch Amiga
         drives.  I take no credit for it (I'm still not sure what it does)
         and I'm not making any money from it, so please don't sue me.
 
         If you have any questions or need help, send mail to me at:
 
            Fred Hamilton
            511 Warren St., Apt. 16
            Blacksburg, VA 24060
 
         Good Luck!
 

 Schematic:
 ---------
 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++                         (A)
                         +                         |
  Symbols:               +                         | 4
  -------    resistor:   +                         o---|\   6
    ______               +                         |   | |O------
   !      !        |     +                         o---|/
   ! chip !        \     +                           5
   !______!        /     +
                   \     +          (A)
     NAND gate:    |     +           |
                         +           |
     -----|\             +           o-----o-----o-----o
          | |O----       +           |     |     |     |
     -----|/             +       ____|_____|_____|_____|______
                         +      !                             !
  junction   no-junction +      !    10    11    12    13     !   8
                         +      !                           Q !-----
      |           |      +      !                             !
    --o--       --|--    +      !         1/2  7474         _ !
      |           |      +      !                           Q !-----
                         +      !                             !   9
+++++++++++++++++++++++++       !_____________________________!
 

             +5v           +5v          +5v           NAND gates are 7438
              ^             ^            ^            All resistors 1K
              |             |            |
              \             \            \            +++++++++++++++++++
         1K   /   (A)   1K  /        1K  /            + From disk drive +
              \    ^        \            \            + power supply:   +
              |    |        |     1      |            +                 +
              |    o--------o------|\  3 |            + Pin 14- +5v     +
              |             |      | |O--o            + Pin  7- GND     +
 SEL1B(21) >--o-------------|---o--|/    |            +++++++++++++++++++
                            |   | 2      |
                            |   o--------|--------------o
             +5v            |            |              |
              ^             |       o----o              |
              |           1 |     3 |    |              |
              \   __________O_______|__  |              |
          1K  /   !        CLR      \/!  |              |
              \   !                   !  |  9           |
              | 2 !                   !  o---|\  8      |
 MTRXD(8)  >--o---! D                 ! 5    | |O----o  |
                  !                 Q !------|/      |  |
             +5v  !                   !    10        |  |
              ^   !     1/2 7474      !              |  |
              |   !                   !              |  |
              \   !                 _ ! 6            |  |
          1K  /   !                 Q !---o          |  |
              \   !                   !   |          |  o---> DRIVE ENABLE
              | 4 !                   !   |          |
 DRESB(10) >--o---O PR                !   | 12       |
              |   !___________________!   o----|\ 11 |
              |                                | |O---------> HUB MOTOR DRIVE
              o--------------------------------|/    |
                                            13       |
                                                     |
 RDY(1)  <-------------------------------------------o
 
 
 
DDRIVE    2   4   6   8  10  12  14  16  18  20  22  24  26  28  30  32  34
 
DB25     NC  NC  NC  22  NC  ^   NC  ^   19  18  17  16  15  14   2  13  NC
                         ^   |   ^   |
                         |   |   |   |----Qume hub motor drive
                         |   |   |
                         |   |   |----maybe drive enable
                         |   |
                         |   |----Qume drive enable
                         |
                         |----maybe hub motor drive
 
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Usual disclaimers:
 
If any member of the net is caught or killed, my university will
disavough (sp?) any knowledge of my actions.
 
Good luck gang!--
 
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307.2WJG::GUINEAUDreams beget RealityTue Mar 22 1988 17:287
Could this be usefull for an A500 (no "IBM emulation"). 

In other words, is there software which could make use of this to read
IBM floppies?

John
307.3yup..RANGLY::PFISTER_ROBSteak knife, puta hole in my headTue Mar 22 1988 18:014
yup, there is a product called DOS-2-DOS that will transfer data files between
format.

Robb
307.4WJG::GUINEAUDreams beget RealityTue Mar 22 1988 18:278


Hmmm.  Sounds like an easy way for the DECies who have IBM's or VAXmates 
to up/down load stuff


John
307.5MAKES FILE XFRS A SNAPPOLAR::GOSLINGKANATA MFG I.S.Tue Mar 22 1988 19:329

       re.4
       
       Sure is - do it all the time using my VAXmate at work.  No more
       downloads or uploads over the modem - it's great!
       
       Art