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    Cee? Justed az I has already sayd, Dug Flootie wuz nut to blam wuith
    the putriots. Dug Floootie ownz da CFL. Bested player dey evr did has
    plays wit dem.
    
    Wherz JD? Cee, JD? Dug Flootie iz God, man. 
    
    Herman Flootie
    

    
    Doug Flutie is 6'4" in Canada.  No wonder he's so much better up dere,
    eh hoser?
    
    Dickstah
    

We get CBC here in Seattle and this being re-run season and the wife out 
shopping with the out-laws I watched the CFL game between the BC Lions (flutie)
and the Toronto Argonauts (raghib Ismail).

I'll have to say that the CFL is ideally suited to flutie. Lots of improvising,
Wide open offense, QB options and most of all athletes that are relativly 
normal sized. I mean the offensive and defensive linemen are big but they aren't
grain fed steroid inflated blimps over 300 lbs like the NFL. Since the game is
more wide open they have to be in better shape than the NFL linemen, I didn't
see a player out there with a gut like Bubba Paris or Jumbo Elliot. 

With the offense limited to 3 downs you don't see the 3 yards and a cloud of
dust offense like the Giants use. I found the game a lot more exciting than
a typical NFL game. It seemed to go a lot quicker because of the lack of 
timeouts, especially TV timeouts. 

It's obvious that the more skilled positions are better played in the NFL, 
especially QB and wide receiver. But we're actually thinking about taking a 
trip to BC to see one of the CFL games.... it looks like a lot of fun.

THe owners should stay off the sideline however, John Candy and the rest of
the ownership consortium were prominantly displayed on the sidelines.

BTW - Ismail did nothing except botch a kickoff return (recovered by BC in OT
       to seal the game) They threw him a lot of long passes all which fell
       incomplete. He's going to be a bust in the CFL the same way he was going 
       to be a bust in the NFL, the same way Tim Brown is a bust in the NFL....


Metz

>>BTW - Ismail did nothing except botch a kickoff return (recovered by BC in OT
>>       to seal the game) They threw him a lot of long passes all which fell
>>       incomplete. He's going to be a bust in the CFL the same way he was going 
>>       to be a bust in the NFL, the same way Tim Brown is a bust in the NFL....

Metz,

Let's give the guy a chance to adapt - making the transition from College to
the Pros is bad enough, but having to adapt to the Canadian game as well is
a lot to swallow in one go!

I stick with what I said when his name and the CFL first came up in the same 
sentence:  He's gonna run wild with that wider field.

rick

>I stick with what I said when his name and the CFL first came up in the same 
>sentence:  He's gonna run wild with that wider field.

 sure he'll run wild but first he has to learn how to catch the ball...

 if he was playing for me I'd use him at tailback, pitch the ball to him
 and let him sweep. 

 mike

    There's been a lot of news in the paper here in Portland this last
    week about the CFL being interested in expanding to Portland and
    a couple of other American cities.  I think a CFL team would work
    here in Portland.  There are a lot of starved football fans here,
    many of which make the trek up to Seattle to watch the Seahawks.
    The only thing is, if Portland gets a CFL team, it pretty much
    eliminates them from NFL prospects.  What a delema!
    
    Glen.
    p.s. the other cities the CFL were talking about expanding to are
         Sacremento, Fargo(yes Fargo), and Syracuse.

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (United Press International)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.misc
Subject: CFL makes pass at U.S. cities
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 10:53:13 PST

	TORONTO (UPI) -- The Canadian Football League, ailing financially and
looking for new markets, wants to expand to several American cities,
including Portland, Ore.; Sacramento, Calif., and San Antonio.
	Commissioner Larry Smith said Thursday other U.S. cities to have
expressed interest are: San Jose, Calif.; Memphis, Tenn.; Jacksonville,
Orlando and St. Petersburg, Fla., Honolulu; Birmingham, Ala.; and Las
Vegas, Nev.
	The league is also hoping to expand in Canada to Montreal, which had
a CFL team and later a World League team, and Halifax, Nova Scotia.
	Smith said new teams could be in place as early as next season. He
said the league is targeting mid-size American cities that either had a
franchise in the defunct World League or ones that want football or
other professional sports but can't get them.
	``The demise of the WLAF has created a window of opportunity,'' Smith
said. ``There's a real hunger for football in cities that will never
have NFL football.''
    

Thanks Mac!  I missed that tidbit.   Would they still call it the Canadien Football
League - that's what I wonder.

What a boon to the careers of football players everywhere.  More jobs.  A chance
to increase their skill set by learning new rules, and the chance to interact
with our friends to the North.

Great idea.  

JD

    This kinder & Gentler crap is killing me....  STOP !!!!
    
    Please,
    
    BG

    I had heard that the CFL was looking into northern cities like
    Portland, Ore. and Souix Falls/Rapid City, SD as long ago as a couple of 
    years ago.
    
    Since the NFL decided not to do the World League anymore, who are they
    to complain if'n the CFL takes a couple of potential cities away.
    Anyway, if'n Memphis gets a team for a few years, and eventually the
    NFL later comes through, I'd guess that they would just move the CFL team.
    
    Montreal had the CFL Alouettes for many years, but they, along with
    (almost) the rest of the league were run into the ground by Nelson
    Skalbania, aka the Canadian George Steinbrenner. The Als were revived
    for a year or 2 as the Concordes, but folded soon after. Le Machine,
    the World League team got decent crowds, so that looks like the most
    obvious CFL addition. With an 8-team league, it probably doesn't hurt to
    get a little new competition going.
    
    Tom         

From: clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI)
Subject: Flutie leads Calgary to Grey Cup
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 92 18:46:35 PST

	TORONTO (UPI) -- Doug Flutie threw for 480 yards and two touchdowns to
	lead the Calgary Stampeders to a 24-10 victory over the Winnipeg Blue
	Bombers in the Grey Cup, the championship game of the Canadian Football
	League.
	Dave Sapunjis and Allen Pitts caught touchdown passes from Flutie and
	Mark McLaughlin kicked three field goals to lead the Stampeders, who
	beat Edmonton 23-22 in the Western Division title game last week.
	Flutie, who has thrown for over 5,000 yards in each of the last two
	seasons, signed with the Stampeders as a free agent prior to the season
	and led Calgary to its first Grey Cup triumph since 1971. The Stampeders
	lost 36-21 to the Toronto Argonauts in last season's Grey Cup.
	Flutie won the 1984 Heisman Trophy while at Boston College but was
	unsuccessful as an NFL quarterback with the Chicago Bears and New
	England Patriots. He also played with the New Jersey Generals of the
	now-defunct United States Football League.
    

    Parade in December!!!

    Why did British Columbia let Flutie get away last offseason anyhow?
    
    
    py

    
    
    The UPI article states:
    
    "Unsuccessful as an NFL quarterback..." ??
    
    Believe he won more than he lost, even with the patsies.
    
    

    How successful can you be if you've been cut?

    
    Still, about half the AFC can use a quarterback, any quarterback.  I
    think Flutie could come back and play in the NFL at a marginal but not
    exceptional level; question is, would he want to?  He's a legend in the
    Canadian game, and gets paid like it...
    
    glenn
    

    The reason he left BC was money.  He got a big-bucks offer and a four
    year deal, if I recall.
    
    Lee

    
    -1,
    Ah KNEW Bicknell ran a dirty program! Not enough money at BC.
    Sanctimonious debbils!!
    
    8^),
    MikeL
    

      Dougie's making more $$$ in the CFL than he'd even come close to
    making in the bigs!
                                 Denny

    	I think that if you modified the rules and got rid of the top
    players in the league, Flutie would be a star in the NFL!
    
    				/Don

I've been home sick the last couple of days, and I saw that game on SC.

Flutie was on FIRE.  He made some really great passes, was highly mobile,
and the fans love him up there.

It was the 3rd time the Calgary Stampeders won the Grey Cup.  Flutie
was names Player of the Year (and got a nice car for that).....


Interesting stuff, that Canadian football.  If you kick a field goal
that goes wide, and the opposing team downs it in the end zone instead
of running it out, you get a point.   

Also, there's all kinds of forward motion towards the line of scrimmage
prior to the snap, by the receivers.....



'Saw

    I think the reason Flutie left the BC Lions was that the owner was too
    cheep to pay him, even though he led the Lions to a good season and
    bosted attendance. Calgary came up with the big 80-cent pieces (that's
    what a Canajin $ is worf) and signed him up.
    
    I like the Canajin game with unlimited motion. Another BIG difference
    IMO is that there is only 20 seconds betwen plays, so the playerd get
    right up and get back to the huddle. Keeps the game moving, unlike the
    NFL, where 45 seconds gives players all day to mill around like cattle.  
    
    Tom

>    I like the Canajin game with unlimited motion. Another BIG difference
>    IMO is that there is only 20 seconds betwen plays, so the playerd get
>    right up and get back to the huddle. Keeps the game moving, unlike the
>    NFL, where 45 seconds gives players all day to mill around like cattle.  
>    
>    Tom


Don't forget having only THREE downs to move the ball 10 yards.  You
get first and second downs, and then you punt if you don't make it.

I didn't see a lot of running, but there was a lot of passing.


Oh yeah, and there's 12 men per team.....



'Saw

    You heard it here first.... in 3-5 years Portland will win the Grey
    Cup!
    
    Glen.

    I saw something recently that there is a Canadian senator or somesuch
    looking to enact legislation to prevent expansion of the CFL outside of
    Canada.  Something about national pride, uniqueness, etc.

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From: clarinews@clarinet.com (United Press International)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.football
Subject: Canadian Football League All-Star Selections
Keywords: football, men's professional
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 92 14:09:41 PST
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           (Selected by Football Reporters of Canada)
                             Offense
        Quarterback -- Doug Flutie, Calgary.
        Running back -- Blake Marshall, Edmonton; Michael Richardson,
Winnipeg.
        Slotback -- Ray Elgaard, Saskatchewan; Allen Pitts, Calgary.
        Wide receiver -- Stephen Jones, Ottawa; Jim Sandusky, Edmonton.
        Tackle -- Rob Smith, Ottawa; Vic Stevenson, Saskatchewan.
        Guard -- Pierre Vercheval, Edmonton; Rocco Romano, Calgary.
        Center -- Rod Connop, Edmonton.
        Kicker -- Troy Westwood, Winnipeg.
                             Defense
        End -- Will Johnson, Calgary; Bobby Jurasin, Saskatchewan.
        Tackle -- Rodney Harding, Toronto; Jearld Baylis, Saskatchewan.
        Linebacker -- Angelo Snipes, Ottawa; Willie Pless, Edmonton.
        Middle linebacker -- John Motton, Hamilton.
        Cornerback -- Less Browne, Ottawa; Junior Thurman, Calgary.
        Halfback -- Anthony Drawhorn, Ottawa; Darryl Hall, Calgary.
        Safety -- Glen Suitor, Saskatchewan.
        Punter -- Hank Ilesic, Toronto.
        Special Teams -- Henry Williams, Edmonton.

    
    What happened to the Rocket, or did I miss somehting?
    
    Brews

>    What happened to the Rocket, or did I miss somehting?
    
Guess he didn't make it......


'Saw

He ain't that good...

He's not even good enough to be in the top 2 in a 2nd rate (talent wise) 
football league...