Conference 7.286::sports_91

 Dig, send a resume. you never know...

 mike

    Steve,
    
    From someone who has already walked the plank: If it does happen, keep
    your head up.  There is life after Digital.  But I'm already going
    through ::SPORTS withdrawel symptoms.
    
    It's to late for me to help since I'm already out of here.  But if by
    the off chance that your a software type interested in consulting I
    might have something to throw your way.  Part of my official TFSO
    package was a 8 page brochure for:
    
    	The Computer Merchant Ltd.
    	80 Washington St.
    	Norwell, MA 02061
    	(617) 878-4712
    
    Funny thing is that Digital has negotiated an agreement where former
    Digital employees can be subcontracted back to Digital.  Needless to
    say, that sparked a whole round of speculation about the future of
    services and system integration.
    
    If your a hardware type, well there's always Bell Atlantic.  I hear
    their hiring.  B^)
    
    Wish you luck at finding a job within Digital.  Too many are leaving
    already.
    
    Scott

       Sorry to hear the news Digger. Looks like they gave you a little
    advance warning, so maybe you'll get lucky!
                                   Denny

Thanks guys. Kev if you think that this has stopped your more 
looney than I thought! 8^) 15,000, how does that number grab you?
Mike I have a resume done up on decwrite It's a comin' your way,
it's a postscript file. Denny your right at least I have until 
the end of the month and I should be thankful for that, but unfortunately
the way I found out was quite distressing, I'll just leave it at that.
After 13 years in DEC it's going to be quite a transistion! It's hard
to fathom right now, I am feeling resentment and bitterness and I 
really feel like hitting something, HARD. 




Steve

Digger

Good luck dude.  Stranger things have happened, I have friends who pulled it 
out of the fire on shorter notice than you.  I'll ask my engineering friends 
here if they know of anything.

We had some good grins at the last season's Tigermania, driving in from 
Littleton with Glenn.

Scott, in my last life I used ot hire folks from The Computer Merchant all 
the time.  They are generally recognized as the top "body shop" in the area 
for contract programmers.

=Bob=

    
    Hang in there, Digger.  Only got to meet you that one time at the game,
    I think, but it's been a pleasure...
    
    glenn
    

    =Bob=
    
    Good to hear that about The Computer Merchant.  They've already
    subcontracted me back to Digital for a day or two doing the same thing
    I have always been doing.
    
    Its funny, in the 3 weeks since I've been layed off I've been as busy
    as I was when I was employeed.  I have talked personally to most of my
    customers, registered a business name, had 3 interviews, made
    agreements with 2 consulting firms, done a week of consulting, sent out
    2 more quotes, and mailed what seems like 50 resumes.  And I thought
    unemployment was laying around the house reading want adds.  B-)
    
    
    Digger,
    
    Sorry to be cluttering up your fairwell note, but hopefully I am giving
    the impression that there is opportunety out there.  Digital has been
    fair with a package which gives you a comfortable job search window. 
    And once you get into the swing of things it will turn around.  (I
    sincerly hope - it did for me.)  And more power to you to find an
    interal position.
    
    Scott

    Digger
    	  Just hang in there, I too was lucky enough to find any opening
    in DEC and I feel that with the background I had  NO way would/could
    I stay in DEC. But I'm still here(boy wish I was doing some of my old
    jobs). It's a learning process. Just hang there.
    
    Tim
    

    > boy wish I was doing some of my old jobs
       Yeah Tim, the good old factory rat days in Salem, eh?
                                           Denny

    Just a comment for technoweenies_in_danger.
    
    There is a multi-million dollar, nay , make that hundreds of million
    dollars in the migration/conversion marketplace.  For example, Prime
    computers, Wang and others to another platform are targetted by DEC to 
    bring in ~600 Million this year.
    
    Almost all of these are contracted out to independent 3rd parties.
    
    Once you write a conversion program, it's easy work and lots of money.
    
    worth pondering?????
    
    Kev
    
    

    Just checked in and now I've received another shock.  
    
    Digger, I'm very sorry to hear about your situation.  I'm glad we got
    to meet back at Littleton when my cousin worked there.
    
    Keep your chin up, and don't hit anything that can hit you back!
    
    Lee

      Never met you,  but have enjoyed noting!  Take care if you leave. 
    
    
      I'm in the same spot that you are.
    
      Tim

Be sure to see Don Pardo on the way out for some Lovely Parting Gifts.


(this sucks)

Well it's official, I was notified this morning. I have until 
5 pm Friday and it's adios to 12 years at DEC. I would like to 
thank all of you for your kind words and wish you all the very best.
If any of you hear of anyone looking for an electronic technician
please contact me at

(603) 598-3614, call anytime, call collect! 

Sports has been a wonderful outlet for me over the past 7 years or 
so. I've had the oppurtunity to meet with some of you fine folk and
look forward to running into you many of you agian out there in 
the jungle. I am up for a wake if anyone cares to drown a few 
brewtarskies with me, I'm open for suggestions somewhere closer to 
the Boxboro/littleton area would be nice.


Take care,


Steve

    Steve, Good luck! I think we're meeting at da Bull on Thurs after work
    if you're interested. Or has the sight been changed?
                                  Denny

    Still Da Bull on Thursday.
    
    Real sorry to hear that Steve.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    I see in another conference that an occasional Sports noter is also on
    his way out:  Dave 'ML' Carr.

    
    rumors going thru sales that DECSALE may be saved.  You guys in CS
    hearing anything?
    
    Brews 

    There's a bunch of stuff in ::Digital confirming that.
    
    I also received a note from my boss saying so, also.
    
    hth
    
    Kev
    

Author:	JAMES PITTS @MLO              
Date:	03-Dec-1992
Posted-date: 03-Dec-1992
Subject: Remote Sales Support

  ***********************************************************************
  
 To: All Sales and Sales Support Managers
 
 From : BOB SCHMITT, U.S. SALES SUPPORT MANAGER, DTN 264-5662 
 
 SUBJ: REMOTE SALES SUPPORT (1-800-DEC-SALE) 
 
        **** Please share this message with all field employees ***
   
   A decision was recently announced to close Remote Sales Support in
   the U.S. Area. 
   
   Feedback from the U.S. field organization, product management, and 
   many other organizations is that Remote Sales Support is an integral
   part of the support infrastructure which saves the field selling 
   time, and allows them to spend more time with customers.  
   We have heard from scores of people about the responsiveness and 
   effectiveness of this organization. 
   
   We have listened to your concerns and plan to retain the Remote Sales 
   Support group, because you view them as providing a valuable set of 
   support services.
   
   It is a tribute to the quality and importance of the work performed 
   by Remote Sales Support, that so many people took the time to let 
   us know how much the function was appreciated and needed.
   
   Regards,
   
   Bob

       I'd say the person who came up with this idea in the first place
    should be looking for a new job today!
                                    Denny

We have not heard but then again I wouldn't be suprised if we are saved. 

We all have shaved our haids and bought a extra supply of KY jelly and now 
this ?

I could always use this on the managers. Cause they might just have to beg me 
to work as hard for this company again.

Uninformed and still looking for a company that cares about it's workers. 

Jeff 

>Uninformed and still looking for a company that cares about it's workers. 

I am beginning to believe that the days of a company caring about its
workers are long gone.  I don't understand why.

I mean, a happy, well cared for employee is a more productive one, no doubt.
But the days of a boss really caring about an employee, and going out of
his or her way to help the employee are a thing of the past, just like
the Model T.

I saw Stephen King on TV yesterday morning and he said that writing was
the best job in the world.  I'm sure he's right about that, because he
works for himself.


On Thanskgiving Day, I had an interesting discussion with a friend, about
how the days of a person staying with a company for 30 years and retiring
are also long gone.   I'd say the average person in this industry jumps
around every 5 years or so.

That makes it interesting in terms of vacation (always stuck at 2 weeks
per year) and in terms of pension options.  It seems to me that there
are some rather radical changes taking place in the American workplace.


JMHO,
'Saw

>>Uninformed and still looking for a company that cares about it's workers. 

 >I am beginning to believe that the days of a company caring about its
 >workers are long gone.  I don't understand why.

Saw,

I wish it were true. There are still plenty of companies that care about
their employees. In fact the majority of the customers that I work for
seem to like their employer and their job quite a bit.

If we were to contact the people that worked with Dan'l and Bob Hunt
you'd find them at some of these companies, Glaxo and SAS, just to name a
couple.

It's Digital that has gone from what used to be an excellent company to
one wherein it can't even figure out who it's trying to lay off.

TTom

Saw 0

HP is considered one of the best to work for.   They are out there.  But things
are changing.  

JD

    speakiing of HP, Doc Manyzero's said if he gets a ride, he'll show
    at OPP on Monday.
    
    When my trun comes to depart the lockerroom,
    see my p-name!
    
    I remain,
    paying the involuntary tax a buck at a time!
    Kev
    

Mr. Riggen your team just pulled out a 4th quarter rally what are you 
going to do now ?




I'm going to Disneyland.... Only now I have to use vacation time....

    What Mac said.
    
    Unfortunately, not everyone has caring management.
    
    Mark. (a fortunate one)

    	Well my fate is being decided in a late afternoon meeting by
    a couple of VP's (one who Ziegler style was vacationing in Europe
    the last two weeks).  I'm not sticking around for the outcome. 
    Instead I'm heading for Partner's Pub where Denny and I (and maybe
    Chap) will be engaging in a ritual mass murder of our brain cells.
    Anyone in the neighborhood can drop by and buy me a drink.
    
    				/Don

    >> Anyone in the neighborhood can drop by and buy me a drink.
    
       Where's Partner's ?

      On South St in Fitchburg. About a quarter mile No. of KMart off of
    South St/Merriam Ave Exit of rte 2. We'll be there at 7:30ish.
       My 'meeting' is scheduled for 8:00 AM Monday. Me, my manager and
    Personnel! A good time should be had by all!
                                 Denny

    You can add my name to the list of the (soon to be) departed.
    
    I will be formally notified Monday!!
    
    
    ::SPORTS has been a blast!!!  Thanks for all the stimulating
    conversation!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    Nelly

       Good luck Nelly! Stop by the Other Place Pub on Monday after work
                                       Denny

    >You can add my name to the list of the (soon to be) departed.
    
    >I will be formally notified Monday!!
    
    >::SPORTS has been a blast!!!  Thanks for all the stimulating
    >conversation!!!!!!!!!!
    
Ditto to all that for me too.

Scott

       Good luck Scott! Looks like the flood may be starting!
                               Denny

    
    Scott, Nelly
    
    sorry to hear that
    
    Hope ya'll make it to OPP on Monday.  Need directions?
    
    
    
    I remain,
    becoming bigtime bummed
    Kev
    

    
    The big hit is expected here beginning Monday.  There is no
    confirmation of numbers and not even a hint as to who may be
    effected.  It's pretty tense right now.  It was only about a
    month ago we were reassured (lied to) about our status, and lips
    are so tight that when the axe falls, it will be from behind and
    unexpected for the most part.  It'll be tough sleeping this weekend.
    
    Dickstah
    

    Dickstah,
    
    Some of the lose lips here said ~400 on the MRO campus.  Lip said
    "Marketing gonna get it big".
    
    Also, 1K @SHR, 1K@WMO, 1K+@ZKO, micro systems development@MRO, 200+
    @NIO.
    
    those are what I heard.
    
    Kev
    

    
    I understand the overall numbers are large, but our own group hasn't
    been clued in as to how many or what percentage of people are to get
    it.  I figure some groups may be cut by say, 75%, and others 10%.
    We've taken hits before, and those getting whacked knew that their
    jobs were being restructured (going away), or were given the "how's
    your resume look" hints.
    
    Dickstah
    

    You can count me among that 1K+ number at ZKO...
    
    I was informed earlier this week that my 5-1/2 years at Digital will be
    coming to an end on Monday, as I will be amongst those who will be laid
    off.  Without question, my fondest memory of my time here will be the
    friendships and acquaintances that I've made through notesfiles such as
    this one.  Thank you everybody.  To any of you who will also be
    affected by Monday's cuts and future cuts, my thoughts and prayers are
    with you.  To those of you who'll remain here, I hope you're able to
    turn this company around.                                       


    py

    re .43
    
    Ditto.

I'm in marketing and in MRO4, but I have no idea who has been affected.  
Suppose I'll find out on Monday.  

I can't make the OPP on Monday due to a commitment I have every Monday night.  
I wish everyone well and hope those that remain after next week can get Digital 
headed in the right direction again, I know all this affects you in some way 
too.

Scott

    How are we supposed to enjoy working here with this crap going on...
    
    Anyone who wants to stop by Saturday's more than welcome.  Not sure I
    can make it until late Monday, if I can get there....
    
    -Walt
    

    PY, that stinks however, maybe this will brighten your day a teeny bit
    (at a little personal expense)
    
    West Boylston beat Grafton on Thanksgiving day
    
    
    hth,
    
    Kev
    
    ps - wanna send me an address for the list?
    

    
     Well, I guess the Sh*ts really hitting the fan...  We have 28 to 30
    leaving manufacturing in CXO with rumors flying like crazy that its
    going to be 300+ out of the Colorado Springs operation which includes
    customer service, sales, software development, etc...  Not a fun time
    around here.  Several people have already been told to dust off the 
    resume and get looking.  Many are happy....  Many are bummed.  I am
    not out this time but I have to say that we are going to have to turn
    things quickly or my numbers gonna be up soon...  Maybe even as soon
    as January, who knows.  Good luck to all,  I've enjoyed noting with
    everyone of you.  God Bless and remember there is life after DEC.
    
    BG

So I guess the rumors that I heard are true - people will be told on Monday and
asked to leave that day, no week's notice.

    I'm under the understanding that it's the 14th for CXO....  Tim
    Jackson, is this true ?  
    
    What I mean is the week of the fourteenth in the last week.
    
    BG

      I heard for some that the 7th is their last day and some get until
    the 14th.  I have heard that the managers that are leaving are out the
    7th.  The workers are out the 14th.
    
      I am shocked at some that are being booted and some that are being
    kept.  I guess its who you know and some that have "certain" job
    skills!
    
      Good luck to all, you will be missed in here.  I have not met most of
    you,  but have enjoyed reading most of the "material".
    
       Tim
    
      

    I also know some twho's last day is the 11th. Major bummer to see all
    this happening. Morale in my place, on a scale of 0-10, is a -2.
    
    I'll try to make it to OPP, will be on the late side, but I have this
    feeling folks will be there for a long time :-(
    
    The Crazy Met
    

       Well I turned in my badge and keycard this morning. I cain come and
    go as I please the rest a the week. Sorry to hear the news Paul Y. I'm
    taking my hit as a blessing in disguise, for now anyway!
    See youse tonight.
                                      Denny

    
    	Good luck to all of you who are leaving........
    
    	Good luck to all of us staying......
    
    :^(
    
    Clay

    Had to come in fer a meeting this AM, my manager's gone after today,
    but I'll still be here.
    
    Good luck and God Bless to all who are leaving!!
    
    (8^(*
    
    JaKe
    

	Things here at MKO Field Service are happening faster, and deeper,
	than any of us had imagined.  I hope everyone has a full supply of
	pencils and paper since there won't be anyone fixing the computers
	any time soon.  Actually it looks like about a 50% cut today.  That's
	in a group that was already doing double-duty.  But I guess that's
	how everyone feels these days.

	So far, I'm ok, but who knows for how long?

	See yunz at the OPP

	Bill

    	Got a 2 o' clock meeting.  Hopefully I can stay until Friday
    'cuz it's gonna take that long to clean out my office.  8^)  To
    those I will not see tonight, it's been fun.
    
    				/Don

       Just throw a match in your cube before you walk out the door
    Slasher!
                                      Denny

    
    8-(
    
    Best wishes to all that will be leaving.  It's a sad day, indeed.
    
    For all those who are staying behind, keep the faith.  It's gonna be a
    long, tough road to recovery.   8-(
    
    
    Cath
    
    PS.  See ya tonight at da OPP.

    Unfortunately, rugby business will keep me away from the OPP tonight. 
    Good luck to you all and I hope to run into you again soon.
    
    I'll be at Stoney O'Brien's on Millbury St. in Worcester for awhile
    after work if any of you would like to change locations.  The beer is
    definitely cheaper there.

    	Hey BigMac, MikeL and I will be getting together at DaBull later
    this week, so you can show up and buy me a beer then,,,
    
    				/Don

    I'm not gonna be able to make it tonight so....  Good luck everyone!

    	That's okay Karen, just show up Thursday at DaBull and you can
    buy us a beer then...
    
    				/Don

I won't be there either.  I've been fighting off some kind of cold or
something.  Just when you think you're feeling better -- WHAM it hits you
again.

My best wishes to all.


'Saw

What time are folks showing up at the Udder Place tonight?

		Game Called
            by Grantland Rice

	Game called.
	Across the field of play the dusk is come,
	the hour is late, the fight is done 
	and lost or won the player files out through the gate.
	The tumult dies, the cheer is hushed,
	The stands are bare, the park is still,
	But through the night there shines the light
	of home beyond the silent hill.

	Game called.
	Where in the golden light the bugle rolled the reveille
	The shadows creep where night falls deep
	And Taps has called the end of play.
	The game is done, the score is in,	
	The final cheer and jeer have passed,
	But in the night, beyond the fight,
	The player finds his rest at last.

	Game called.
	Upon the field of life the darkness gathers far and wide.
	The dream is done, the score is spun
	That stands forever in the guide.
	Nor victory, nor yet defeat
	is chalked against the player's name,
	But down the roll, the final scroll,
	shows only how he played the game.
	

    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but felt you fellow jarheads
    should know that Jesse Hernandez has been terminated.
    
    Mike

    I cain't get there before 8:30-9:00..

    
     I should be there about 8:30 or so.

    
    
    Well, add another name to the list...
    
    My manager just gave me the news.  Shit.  And being a contract, I don't
    get a package.  8-(
    
    Merry Christmas, Cath.
    
    
    
    
    Cath

    I won't be there, unless somebody supplies me with Air transport!!
    
    JaKe
    

    Hey Denny sorry to here the NEWS (Im assuming it was bad news yes)
    Over in my Department we were mislead to believe that we would not
    get hit untill the end of Q3.. WRONG, some will be told this friday
    and we get informed and escorted out (They dont seem to trust us)
    Thanks alot, I know some people may take it real hard but being
    destructive wont do any good at all.
    
    I guess Ill know on friday, of course that's just round 1, it will
    continue on untill who knows when.  Maybe Ill see you around...
    
    						M_Air_Brooks

    To add a chuckle to all this, if you can call it that... check out
    Denny's entry in Elf...
    

    
    It's official.  I'm outta here.
    
    I'll be in one more time this week to pack up and maybe if I can
    collect my thoughts and maybe if I have access to the files, I'll
    put in an entry.  You guys and girls have been the greatest, and
    I'll never forget you as a wonderful part of working here.
    
    Time to start on a new life.
    
    Dickstah
    

Dickstah boy will we ever miss you. No one made me laugh harder or longer
at my terminal...

good luck

Geeze Dickstah, that increases the ratio of soon-to-be-ex-employees 
to employees from lasted night even more!  Tough break - hang in there.
I'm sure nobody will step up  and fill the void of irreverant humor the 
way that you have...

=Bob=

    
    What do you mean?  we still have Hal!
    
    Sorry to see you go, Dickstah
    
    Brews

>I'm sure nobody will step up  and fill the void of irreverant humor the 
>way that you have...
    
    Who would want to?  Especially that humor... haha...
    
    Sorry I missed you lasted night... best of luck to you and Ms.
    Redskin fan...
    

    Where the hell are they making up these TFSO lists????
    
    Are they reading ::SPORTS and yanking the best people from here one by
    one????
    
    Sure as hell seems so to me!!!!!!!   (8^(*
    
    Good luck to ya Dickstah!!!!
    
    Go open up a real radio station called *W A N Q *
    
    JaKe
    

Dickstah, you may be suceeded, but you'll never be replaced.....8^(


'Saw

    Add another sports noter to the list....
    I'm gone but the offical date has not been set.. Looks like next friday
    for me too...
    
    It has been fun...
    
    Rick

    Ok, when does it get to be back to normal with everyone all happy and
    eager to work without looking over their shoulder?
    

    They're coming to take us away...HaHa HeeHee HooHoo.
    
    Bad news. Good luck, fellas.
    
    Damn,
    MikeL
    

    
    	Good luck Dickstah.  I'll miss your humor (demented as it is!).
    
    Clay

See ya Dickstah.   

JD

Best of luck to both of you...Personally I think that REK should get himself a
dog to ease the pain of transition...Dickster should go on the comedy circuit...


Metz

    Dickstah and REK best of luck. sigh :-(
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Geez.  Good luck to you all!  I'll miss ya.
    
    Pretty soon we'll be able to do this sports notes thing through
    mail...                                    

    Damn!  I'm very sorry to hear about the departure of both of you guys.  
    
    I've been noting in here for almost 8 years, and I've seen a lot of
    noters come and go.  And I'm sure I'll be one of them in the near
    future.  
    
    I guess I'll just take solace in having known you guys thru notes,
    which may not be as nice as knowing you personally, but a hell-of-a-lot
    better than not having known you at all.
    
    Wishing all of you the very best, for both the Holidays and the future,
    
    Lee

    
    Best of luck, Dickstah.  Keep the faith.  And REK, well, I'm sure I'll
    be talking to ya - we cain watch tv and eat bon-bons together!  8-)
    
    On a happier note, it would appear that Hawk has found a job - Jo
    went to DBM yesterday and was checking out the list of folks that have
    successfully found jobs through DBM, and there was a John Szabo on the
    list.  Like Jo said to me, how many John Szabo's could there be from
    DEC?  
    
    I thought we all needed a little bit of happy news.   8-}
    
    
    
    C

Rek, Dickstah and all you other folks departing:

	Please send your addresses to Kev.  We can still have
	get-togethers at Patriots Day and stuff, and the only
	way we can reach you is if you give Kev your info.


Also, I have a text file on how to get access to the internet (if your
new company doesn't).  Send me mail if you want it...



'Saw

    	RE: All they layoffs...
    
    	Someone wrote in Soapbox:
    
    		They can call it "right-sizing" or "down-sizing"
    
    		I call it capsizing
    
    	Scott

    Wow, tough break...Hate to see yunz go 
    
    Good luck in whatever you'll end up doing. It was a good time the other
    night at the Other Place, and I'm sure I wasn't the only one with the
    feeling that it was the end of an era. 
    
    Take solace in that the people at DBM that just Cath mentioned are very 
    good at helping you develop/refine job hunting skills. It's more of a 
    mental adjustment than anything, but when the smoke clears, you'll most 
    likely be better off than you were.
    
    All the best,
    
    Tom 

And for those of us who are left behind, I'm sure it'll be tougher
to open up to newer folks (if any) coming into the file.

It is the end of an era, and the friendships that we made over the past
few years were very special, and probably will be hard pressed to be
equalled.


bummer.....


'Saw

    
    Thanks for all the kind words, and good luck to those still around.
    (Say, will this string wind up in the FINAL FOUR note?)
    
    My bags are packed, and I'm headed for the door.  What's beyond it
    remains to be seen.  Damn, I wish life had a fast forward button.
    
    I'll never forget the folks I've met through "The best damn file on the
    net."
    
    May Gawd(tm) bless (if there is one).
    
    Dickstah
    

    
    It ain't good when this note approaches 100 replies.  THe sad thing for
    me is being out on the left coast, I haven't had the chance to meet
    most of the people in here.
    
    Brews 

    Brews, I'll have to save you a ticket for the soccer games next summer in
    Foxboro! :-)
    

    Howdy,
    
    Haven't had a chance to note last couple days, figured I'd check in
    again.  As Bruce said, this is one note where it's no fun to say "I got
    reply 100".  To all you other people who've been hit, my sympathies and
    best wishes.  Tomorrow will be the last day I'll be around DEC; I've
    accelerated my schedule for cleaning up my office, saying goodbyes,
    etc. because I have a job interview at another company on Friday
    afternoon.  Turns out that the manager of tech writing there was a
    supervisor at Wang when I was a writer there, so I'm somewhat of a
    known quantity.  I also spent the couple weeks before this week passing
    along resumes to friends/relatives/enemies/inlaws/outlaws at other
    companies, so I've got numerous irons in the fire.  It does seem like
    there are a fair number of writing jobs out there, so I'm optimistic
    about my chances of finding something fairly soon.
    
    To those of you who still remain, one bit of advice...if you find out
    in the near future that your department is going to be hit, start
    your contingency planning ASAP.  Update your resume, talk to your
    friends and colleagues at other companies about possible openings,
    check the ads, etc..  DON'T wait until notification day before thinking
    about starting this stuff -- the number of laid-off people I've seen
    here who have been caught totally off guard is disturbing.
     
    Send some good vibes in the direction of Rochester, NH at about 2:00
    Friday afternoon.  I'll probably check in here again sometime tomorrow
    afternoon.
    
    
    py

    
    That's good news, Paul.  But, you forgot to give us the important
    info: are they on the internet?

    Best of luck to all of you.  Hopefully you won't be out of work long.
    
    hey REK, make me a deal on Wilkins, Pippen, Mullin, and Laettner! ;-)

Good Luck PY, I'll miss you in a few other notes as well. Always a sane
and logical reply and the number 1 Orioles FAN!!!!

mike

Good luck tomorrow afternoon Paul.  That company in Rochester, NH 
is doing pretty well these days...

=Bob=

    I got the word last friday to show up monday at 8:00 a.m. 
    Since I don't work mondays it didn't take a rocket scientist
    to figure out the game plan.  This use to be a dynamic 
    kickass organization but it is only a shell of that now.
    Best of luck to all that go but I would particularly like
    to wish all that stay the best as well.  Here's hoping 
    the new year brings some good news to all of us. 
    
    BoB

    
    Ouch Bob!  Who'm I gonna talk football with?  It was always you and
    Riggen.  Best of luck.
    
    Live from Charger Central.......Glenn
    

    
    I'm not sure how they're doing it in other groups, but here they have
    everyone show up at 8, just in case.  
    
    

Our group was told that we have to wait until nexted Monday to find out
who wins or loses and, of course, it's up to each one's perspective
whether leaving is losing or winning...

TTom

>    I'm not sure how they're doing it in other groups, but here they have
>    everyone show up at 8, just in case.  

    Here in our location, the managers do NOT know who will be hit until
    the Friday before.  They know the ranking by performance and longevity,
    but they'd don't know the number to be cut.  So, everyone is told to be
    in at 8:00 so that there isn't any waiting around for an individual.
    The "interviews" are scheduled and any change disrupts all the others.
    
    We lost a manager last week, which was kind of surprising, as the rumor
    has it that managers and secretaries will be hit this coming Monday.  
    
    Lots of long faces around here, particularly among the "survivors", 
    who realize that it's probably just a matter of time, and that the
    workload will be increasing between now and then.
    
    Best of luck to all, particularly PY and Dickstah, both of whom I've
    had private mail over the past.  I'm confident that all will make out
    in the long run, the question is how long is the "long run".
    
    Lee

    Well, seems like a DEC V has decided that since the group I work for
    generates revenue that it would be in the best interests to keep myself
    and others around until April 15th....

    REK

    
    REK, 
    
    Heard the same thing here in MRO yesterday from some guys who were told
    "yer outa here in April".
    
    Biggest fear they have is that when they get it, there's no package.
    
    Hellova way to motivate folks, eh?
    
    Kev
    
    ps-Monday there's a mandatory meeting for our group - anybody wanna
    speculate what happens to "yer remaining(?) Commishioner"?
    
    

       I heard from someone else in REK's group that they are being told
    they WILL get this package when they are let go between Feb-Apr. They 
    also did this with the Fault Tolerant group in MRO.
                                  Denny

    
    If true, that's good nooz.
    
    Over in ::Digital, somebody said the next package is 2 weeks, total!
    
    I remain,
    hording vacation days!
    Kev
    

    
    REK, youse guys make money?  I thought you just bitched to my customers
    about not having a license PAK.   8^)
    
    Brews

    I was under the impression the minimum package due to state Law
    and the size of the company was 9 weeks.  
    
    Jimbo

>    Lessee, get paid to work for another 4-5 months, or get paid not to
>    work for 9 weeks.


Yeah, work for another 4-5 months, while management explores the interior
of their rectal canal with their heads.  Meantime the workload increases,
you're constantly looking over your shoulder, you're constantly being
re-orged.....

Or it could be like a fellow I know -- scramble to find another position
at a pay cut and on the graveyard shift.  Do that because you love
the company, and you're loyal, then get axed again, but this time at
a much less lucrative package.


It ain't all roses.....

'Saw

    True, it ain't all roses, but I'd rather be drawing a paycheck with 4-5
    months to find a job on *my* terms.
    
    Mark.

    Jimbo, I didn't think the state had any say on private companies'
    severance packages.

>    Jimbo, I didn't think the state had any say on private companies'
>    severance packages.

I've heard that it's a State Law in Mass that a company give 9 weeks of pay.

Just what I've heard....


'Saw

    Well, we all know the score these days.  I realize most people have
    been with the company much longer than I, and I don't claim to have
    the same perceptions of a person who has invested much of their life to
    DEC.  (I've been here 6 years)

    Having said that, I think everyone, in each function should consider
    the prospect of TFSO.  IF they are getting a sense that they are "sacred
    cows" or "untouchable" from management, I would forewarn them to take
    that information with a grain of salt.

    Everyone must make rational decisions regarding their career's and how
    they plan to manage their own futures.  Laying back, pretending not
    to be in "danger" of being impacted, and not preparing for your own
    career is something that people should do (IMO) even in good times.

    In these times I am thoroughly surprised when people are impacted and
    they are not ready for those consequences of TFSO.  Granted, the bigger
    the package, the longer you can regroup from a surprise termination.

    With the diminishment of the package, our employees are going to be
    challenged to be much better prepared in regards to termination.

    Once you are prepared (i.e., have some contingency plans) you can deal
    with the company in transition in a better, more positive manner.

    Life after DEC is a fact, in many cases it doesn't have to be a
    negative experience.

To add to Chip:

ANyone without an up-to-date resume, and a grasp on what is needed out
there, is doing themselves a disservice.  I know update my resume
monthly, and truth be known, look at job opportunities all the time.

And not to sound like doom, my wife is looking, and she knows a lot
of personal recruiters - they echo these sentiments:

* They get DOZENS of resumes from ex-Deccies and Deccies *EVERY* day

*  They say too many have experience only with VAX/VMS or with products
that run on VAX/VMS platforms - and the job market is *SCARCE* for
those skills.  

My 2 cents.

JD

    
    Lufay,
    
    If you had a 1992 NoTY trophy, job hunting would go easier!
    
    hth
    ;^)
    
    I remain,
    smelting
    Kev
    

    Smelts are a wonderful fish... we used to have "Smelt night" at the
    stadium.  Fans would bring smelts to the game and for every smelt
    they brought in, we'd match them...
    
    Billy Crystal as a player from the Negro Leagues in a SNL skit.
    

>    
>    Billy Crystal as a player from the Negro Leagues in a SNL skit.
>    


One of my all-time favorite skits.  The other "player" was Christopher
Guest.  I believe in the skit Billy played a former pitcher, and Guest
played a former catcher.

That is one skit I'd LOVE to have on tape.....


'Saw

    Tape????
    
    How do ya put a tee vee show on rugby tape 'Saw?
    
    I remain,
    using DIAL so I don't smelt too bad
    Kev
    
    

    I saw the 2 week severance rumor in another file
    
    Mac, I was under the impression that due to Digital's size in
    Mass. that they HAD to give at least 9 weeks pay in lieu of notice.
    My impression was formed totally from the Digital notesfile.
    
    Jimbo

    Digital follows the MA layoff law in terms of a 9 week continuous 
    pay period.
    
    Digital then adds the severence package, based upon time of service.
    
    I don't think they can manuver around that unless the law is changed.
    
    

    The 9 weeks pay is not a package its law,a package is a lump sum 
    payoff,the 9 weeks pay are weekly checks compared to a package
    which is all at once. Alls that means is if you get the tap you
    can't collect from the  state for weeks.
    
    Tom

      I've heard from several mangrs that the 9 weeks is law here in
    Colorado.  I'm not sure of the real truth tho.
    
      Tim
    

The 9 week rule is a law in Washington, I believe.

JD

    
     The 9 week law is the law in Mass.  The reason Digital honors this in
    all other states is because they are incorporated in Mass. and must
    give 9 weeks to employees there and  to be consistent provides the same
    to all us employees.  The package will never be less than 9 weeks...
    
    BG

      Digital and consistent in the same line?   Jack, Jack, Jack, I can't
    beleive you did that!

    
    	I do not believe the 9 weeks is law in Mass.  It IS law concerning
    the WERN Act.  This act concerns plant closing of which mine is one.
    This act also says that you must give folks at least 60 days notice
    before the plant closes.  I know cause we had to sign the paperwork
    that notifies us that our plant will be closing anytime after Jan. 8th.
    
    	As far as I know, there is no law requiring a company to pay an
    employee 9 weeks of contined pay when layed off or involuntarily/
    voluntarily seperated from a company.  Millions of folks get layed off
    and fired every day and I don't see their company shelling out an
    additional 9 weeks of pay.
    
    	I believe what DEC has done is taken the 9 weeks (60 days) for
    plant closings (since it has closed a number of plants already) and
    simply applied that to everyones severance package.  So, they can pull
    the 9 weeks if and when they want unless you are part of a plant 
    closing.  But I doubt they will do this.  I bet they simply reduce
    the number of weeks per years service as they have been doing with
    each new TFSO package.  Next package will probably be 9 weeks + 1 
    week for every year of service.  Just a guess though.
    
    
    	bill..g.
    

    	Do not count on the 9 weeks.  A midnight gavel through law changed
    unemployment compensation for those with severance packages.  Could
    happen again.
    
    				/Don

    
    People are getting wacked here today left and right.  My manager just
    called me into her office.
    
    Told me I was OK.  sorry soccer fans 8^)
    
    Brews

    
    just got out of a 'mergency staff meeting,
    
    
    2 down, I'm safe
    
    I remain,
    phew!
    Kev
    

Hell, I don't even go into the office on Mondays any more.

    You have to come in to update the hoop stuff, right?
    

    
    >>2 down, I'm safe
    
    How do ya know, ya wearing a condom????????
    
    JaKe
    

    
    
    And now, a word from "The Good News Department"
    
    tat tata tatata tatatat tatatata
    
    Late yesterday afternoon, Paul Yankowskas called the Sportsfile's
    social director, Remaining Kevin Farley, with some totally unexpected
    news......
    
    tat tatat tatata ttatata tatatataa
    
    Paul, PY, to his detractors, had his DEC badge shredded a mere 10 days
    ago and he was prepared to settle into a long hard winter of depression
    and lonliness, comforted only by "the last TF$O".
    
    tat a tatat atatat tatata atata 
    
    PY found a job!!!!!!
    
    That's right folks, PY found a job within 2 weeks of being booted by
    DEC!!!!!!!
    
    He told Remaining Kev that he starts working at Cabletron Systems in
    Durham, New Hampshire on January 4th, the first Monday of 1993!
    
    Paul sounded happy and he wanted folks to know that it's not so bad
    "out there" and he wanted to wish them all a Merry Christmas and a
    Happy New Years!
    
    and now a word from some sponsor.......
    
    

    Tell him I said that's good to here and good luck...
    

    	Glad to see somebody get out of this with a healthy chunk of
    change.
    
    				/Don

    I'm very happy to hear that Paul got settled so quickly.  Now, he can
    enjoy his holiday and look forward to working for what I've heard is
    quite the up-and-coming company.
    
    Lee

Cabletron systems is one of those "small (network) software companies" that
seems to be doing pretty well these days.  Glad Paul could hook on so quickly,
wish him well.

=Bob=

    
    CABLETRON!!  You tell Paul to tell them to stay the hell outa my
    customer!!  
    
    Brews, who just stole a $900K deal from those #$%#$.  They thought they
    had it in the bag (they should have), but we snuck in in the 11th hour
    and kicked their butts.