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122.1 | | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | Paul Yankowskas | Fri Mar 22 1991 17:49 | 5 |
| Actually 'Saw, I was thinking of starting an "Official Barcelona
Dragons Bandwagon Note" right before you entered this... :-)
py
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122.2 | World League of American Football ? | CSCOA1::ROLLINS_R | | Fri Mar 22 1991 18:32 | 2 |
| I'm on the "couldn't care" list. I was that way for the old WFL,
and now feel the same about the WLAF (isn't that what it's called).
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122.3 | | CAM::WAY | Same old, same old, Jimmy Rain... | Fri Mar 22 1991 18:41 | 15 |
| > -< World League of American Football ? >-
>
> I'm on the "couldn't care" list. I was that way for the old WFL,
> and now feel the same about the WLAF (isn't that what it's called).
Right. Shows you how much I know. 8^)
Seriously, I couldn't care either. Just what we need, a bunch of
football players who can't make the NFL running around Europe and
Canada and the USA.....
Yawn.
I'd rather see Dinz run around in his jock....
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122.4 | This league ain't gonna survive..... | COGITO::HILL | | Fri Mar 22 1991 18:45 | 42 |
| I don't think this league is going to fly. OK, maybe cities who are
dying for an NFL team might do well at the gate, like Birmingham,
Raleigh-Durham and maybe Sacremento.
London might even do OK, since the English enjoy the NFL and it's
presented more of a "family" thing to do, as opposed to going to a
soccer game, where you take your life into your hands. The Frankfurt
Galaxy (I *HATE* singular names) will be out of business within a year,
since the US servicemen nearby won't be allowed to go to games due to
terrorism threats. The military was what the team was banking on.
SI did an article about the league a couple of weeks ago. They tried to
sell season tickets in Barcelona, but the locals had never even heard
of the idea. Marketing blunder #1. English and Scottish soccer teams
have season tickets, but apparently they have a different system in
Spain. Whatever it is, they should use a system the locals are used to.
Are Barcelonans going to support a team called the Dragons? I was
surprised they didn't pick a Spanish name. All I can think of is the
stupidity of Chevy trying to sell the Nova car in Latin America (No Va
literally means "won't go" in Spanish).
The Monteral Machine? Get real! Stooopid name, and with the jam-packed
crowd the Steelers & Patriots drew (one-third full) to the Big O, and
the single handed dismantling of the once-proud CFL Alouettes by Nelson
Skalbania (the Canadian George Steinbrenner), it's safe to say that
Montreal just ain't a "football town".
New York/New Jersey Knights? Really, are jaded New Yorkers THAT jaded?
At least the USFL Generals had Doug Flutie & Herschel Walker, but I
can't see sports fans in NY passing up a Met or Yankee game for this,
not to mention hoop or hockey playoffs.
The thing that is most srtiking is the feeling that they MUST play in
top-flight 50,000+ stadiums. I dunno if it's a cultural thing with
Americans being in charge, but many smaller European soccer teams break
even, and some even make money with 10,000 to 12,000 crowds in modest
15,000 seat stadiums. Especially in Europe, they WILL NOT get
the crowds of the NFL or baseball, so what is wrong with 12,000 people
in a 15-20,000 seat stadium? Beats the hell out of 20,000 in a 55,000
seater for atmosphere.
Tom
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122.5 | | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | Paul Yankowskas | Fri Mar 22 1991 18:46 | 5 |
| Guess I'd also fit in the "who cares" group, although it is good to see
"American football" becoming popular overseas.
py
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122.6 | I care. | BSS::G_MCINTOSH | ULTRIX NETWORKS, CSC/CS | Sat Mar 23 1991 04:47 | 5 |
| Seems like I'm the only one who cares. Football is football to me,
whether it's the local high school or the NFL. Besides, it'll fit into
the blank spot before the NFL season. Go whoever!
Glenn
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122.7 | | SHIRE::ELLIS | leave Saddam to the Mossad! | Mon Mar 25 1991 10:44 | 33 |
122.8 | | CAM::WAY | Same old, same old, Jimmy Rain... | Mon Mar 25 1991 11:37 | 22 |
| Before throwing in my Driving Miss Daisy tape, I checked out part of
the game on ABC.
First, I was really taken with the fans. They rooted for the team
in typical European soccer fan style, with singing in the tiers and
many chants.
One of the players even remarked that 20K people actually sounded like
100K.
The coverage, with Bweet Moosepacker sucked, as all coverage with
the guy does.
Bicknell did a good job with the Barcelona team.
The NY/NJ Knights play a run-'n-intercept style game, and were pretty
impotent the whole game. I shouldn't bash on it thought, as I guess
they haven't had much time with it to get the timing down.
Pretty bizarre concept, this WLAF....
'Saw
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122.9 | | 7221::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Mon Mar 25 1991 11:44 | 13 |
| One of the things this league may help with is in improving the quality
of officiating in the NFL. The crews are made up of 3 NFL officials
and 4 new officials, which will not only give some current NFL
officials more practice but will also allow officials being considered
by the NFL a chance to officiate on that level without interfering with
their college seasons.
Bernie Kukar, who has been a NFL Field Judge for a few years, was the
referee in Saturday's Birmingham - Montreal game, which tells me he's
going to be one of the 2 needed replacement referees in the NFL,
because Jim Tunney retired and Jerry Seeman is now the Supervisor.
John
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122.10 | The Killer from Birmingham... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Mar 25 1991 13:03 | 7 |
|
Didn't see any of the game, but noticed that Jerry Lee Lewis was the
entertainer at halftime of Saturday's USA telecast, which is a big
improvement over the NFL's typical Up With People or Menudo acts...
glenn
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122.11 | Up With Bweent ??? | SHALOT::HUNT | Swatch dogs and Diet Coke heads | Mon Mar 25 1991 13:12 | 10 |
| Nice to see "The Killer" in action in Birmingham, Glenn, but sorry to
report that "Up With People" was indeed the halftime show over in
Frankfurt, Germany.
What a difference a year makes for Musberger. One year ago, he was king
of the hill, top cock of the coop, doing the Final Four play-by-play.
Twelve months later and he's doing a WLAF game in Barcelona with Dick "See
Your Neighborhood Cadillac Dealer" Vermeil.
Bob Hunt
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122.12 | | ISLNDS::WASKOM | | Mon Mar 25 1991 13:53 | 15 |
| I watched some of the game both Saturday night from Birmingham and
yesterday afternoon from Barcelona. General reaction - they're
doing some interesting stuff to do this international thing. I
loved the Barcelona Dragons unis (should this go in the Uniforms
note?). Play quality was generally pretty poor. How much of that
is because of poor talent, and how much because of a short training
camp and starting *everything* from scratch remains to be seen.
There should be some interesting tales coming out from the "development
squad" international players -- like the guy who got hit in practice
and took 3 days of cajoling before he'd come out on the field again.
(Maybe this is a sports-income opportunity for ruggers? I keep
waiting to hear of ex-rugby players giving American football a try.)
A&W
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122.13 | | CHIEFF::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Mon Mar 25 1991 14:09 | 9 |
122.14 | | CARROL::LEFEBVRE | Rather be trout hunting | Mon Mar 25 1991 15:44 | 9 |
| <<< Note 122.12 by ISLNDS::WASKOM >>>
>I watched some of the game both Saturday night from Birmingham and
> yesterday afternoon from Barcelona. General reaction - they're
Geepers criminy, A&W, you get around. Ya coulda stayed home and
watched either game on the telly.
Mark.
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122.16 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | Colorado Football: #1 for 1990 | Mon Mar 25 1991 16:28 | 7 |
| Had the Birmingham-Montreal game on for about a minute Saturday night,
and all I can say is I liked Birmingham's helmets.
I did hear one interesting rule this league has: In OT, you can't win
by a field goal. You either need 2 FG's or a TD to win it.
Joe
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122.17 | So's maybe we kin have a rootin' interest | WORDY::NAZZARO | UMass: NIT Final Four now; NCAA next | Mon Mar 25 1991 18:28 | 3 |
| Does Digital have a team in this league?
NAZZ
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122.18 | | 7210::MGILBERT | Paul Tsongas for President | Mon Mar 25 1991 18:38 | 10 |
|
Did anybody notice who the Barcelona nose tackle was?
Non other than former BC and NE Patriot Mike Ruth.
Bicknell seems to have peppered this team with some
borderline NFL guys. From the reports on the first
few games I'ld take Barcelona as the best of the lot.
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122.19 | A whole bunch of Lee's favorite teams! | SHALOT::MEDVID | we were never being boring | Mon Mar 25 1991 18:42 | 10 |
122.20 | | CAM::WAY | Props have great shoulders to lean on | Mon Mar 25 1991 18:48 | 31 |
| I am the mornin' DJ on WLAF!
Playin all the hits for you.....
Actually, I think this league will plop into the porcelain bowl with
hardly a kersplunk. Wallow around for a while waiting, and then,
with one mighty press of the flush lever, will go swirling down, swirling
down, wherever those little feces pieces go....
I wasn't impressed with much yesterday and Saturday, except for the
rabidity of the Spanish fans. I'll give them a lot of credit, because
they certainly made some noise.
You can go for a two point conversion (yawn) and the field in Spain
only had a seven yard end zone....
Not too impressed.
'Saw
PS I absolutely HATE the names. Jeez, they could have come up with
better team names if they'd gone into Mrs. Ratchokowski's Fourth
Grade class and had those kids pick...
The Frankfurt Galaxy...come on, that was a fer-reaking CAR for
cripes sakes. The Montreal Machine...sounds really Canadian to
me dudes....
The Birmingham Flame. Or was it Flamers...I forget......
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122.21 | | SACT41::ROSS | Thirty next week! | Mon Mar 25 1991 18:55 | 2 |
| Anyone know if Plymouth {NH} State's golden boy, Joe Dudek, is on a WLAF
team... I saw he was signed or drafted a couple months ago.
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122.22 | The final feather in your cap | VAXWRK::SCHNEIDER | The crux of the biscuit | Mon Mar 25 1991 19:49 | 6 |
| >Anyone know if Plymouth {NH} State's golden boy, Joe Dudek, is on a WLAF
>team... I saw he was signed or drafted a couple months ago.
He was cut...
Dan
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122.23 | World League of Almost Football | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | UNC - AnotherExcellentLossPending | Tue Mar 26 1991 10:31 | 6 |
| I tried watching last night's game but was having trouble with
my television set. It was so bad that one team looked like they
were wearing lime green! I decided to watch the second game of
the NIT tourney. Oklahoma was playing Buck Rogers University.
/Don
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122.24 | and the helmets were RAD too!! | CHIEFF::CHILDS | Baseball = Hi-Bore-Nation Season ;^( | Tue Mar 26 1991 13:35 | 11 |
|
You mean you didn't think those colours were RAd Don? I mean Orlando is my
favorite team. I kinda of like it. No instant replay a plus already. Like
Kwak said no bs just the game...
of course my wife just loved me watching a football game this time of year...
;^)
mike
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122.25 | Laughable WLAF | LEAF::MCCULLOUGH | Lindsey is walking!! | Tue Mar 26 1991 13:45 | 13 |
| Was it Orlando with the neon green unis? They were the pits - I bet
they look good in person though.
I only watched a little of the game last night, but it looked like the line play
was at least evenly matched. The real glaring weaknesses showed up in the skill
positions. More running backs tip-toeing to the line and receivers dropping
floating passes that I care to see. This may improve as the seasn goes along,
but it was pretty bad last night.
I too had heard that Plymouth State's (and North Quincy High School's) Joe Dudek
had signed with somebody, but I didn't know he got cut. Too bad.
=Bob=
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122.26 | I likes the Thunderbolts Uni's | OURGNG::RIGGEN | Air Force, CSU, CU... Denver Bronco's | Tue Mar 26 1991 14:10 | 8 |
| Did anybody catch the Helmet Cam view.
I must admit that the rules are great.
Kickoffs must be run out of the endzone.
No Instant replay
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122.27 | Go who? | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | The lady is 2 tough 2 tame! | Tue Mar 26 1991 14:21 | 9 |
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What about the radio headsets for the Coach and the Q-Backs? Think
it will make it to the NFL?
Others...No huddle offense allowed...2 point conversion...
Could be interesting...
B.A.
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122.28 | | SONG::ASHE | Whatever happened to the Hudson Brothers? | Tue Mar 26 1991 17:22 | 6 |
| Helmet cam is way cool. Especially the hit where his helmet came off.
Excellent unis man... I bet they don't get that B.O. Aroma, more of
fine pine scent...
Radio headsets aren't bad, still not sure how long they'll last. Or
how long it will before they offer Upper Deck WLAF cards on HSC...
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122.29 | | CAM::WAY | Props have great shoulders to lean on | Tue Mar 26 1991 17:32 | 7 |
| > Excellent unis man... I bet they don't get that B.O. Aroma, more of
^^^^^^^^^^
The official sports term for this is Pit Whiff.
HTH,
'Saw
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122.30 | Walt, are you an Orlando fan? :-) | COGITO::HILL | | Tue Mar 26 1991 19:53 | 20 |
| re: Inexperienced players
I bet the coaches find this very refreshing. Raw athletic ability,
eager to learn, not a lot of "the coach doesn't know what he's talking
about" crap to contend with.
This league might be a good testing ground for rules the stodgy NFL is
too chicken to implement themselves.
The European teams will bring a nice new set of football terminology
into focus. Will the Barcelona Dragons use a "50 peseta defense"? How
do you convince a Frankfurt linebacker that you're NOT calling him a
girly-mon if he's the on the "weak side"?
re lime green uniforms: Well, I guess I know what team Walt Ashe is
rooting for :-) I only saw the helmets in SI a few weeks back. I can
only imagine how lame a team like the Sacremento Surge (sounds like a
local electric company) looks in the flesh
Tom
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122.31 | | REFINE::ASHE | Whatever happened to the Hudson Brothers? | Tue Mar 26 1991 21:19 | 5 |
| Hey, talk to Rahilly and Goodhue about the shirts, although if I had
known, a friend was just down there... maybe I can pick up a jersey...
haha...
Thanks for the clarification on PitWhiff...
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122.32 | | COGITO::HILL | | Wed Mar 27 1991 13:03 | 5 |
| Jes' yankin' ya, Walt! I guess that's the thing about a whole new
league and several new teams. More chances for un-tried new designs and
color combinations. Some work, and some don't....
Tom
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122.33 | | REFINE::ASHE | Whatever happened to the Hudson Brothers? | Thu Mar 28 1991 20:51 | 3 |
| Could be worse.... CBA - Grand Rapids Hoops.... (nice name)
Road uniforms: Purple with neon green numbers... oooh-wee...
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122.34 | Thin end of wedge? | SHIRE::TALLON | | Tue Apr 02 1991 10:34 | 9 |
| See the London Monarchs creamed the New York Knights at the weekend in
the World Series (or somesuch). Is the day the Superbowl is won by the
West Kensington Wimps or the Copenhagen Creampuffs far off?
The crowd seemed to get quite carried away by it all and sang football
(soccer) chants.
Peter (round-balled to the end)
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122.34 | | DUCK::PERKINSP | Positive Mental Octopus | Thu Apr 04 1991 06:18 | 12 |
122.35 | | CAM::WAY | HWRFC Clydescale | Thu Apr 04 1991 11:16 | 22 |
| WLAF --
Yawn....MAJOR yawn....
I watched a tad of this the other evening. It was more boring
than watching an unsubtitled french opera....
The only thing I like is helmet-cam, which gives an interesting
viewpoint. However, I inherently dislike helmet-cams because
they don't really give you the same sense of vision as your eyes
do. A case in point are the cameras used in motorcycle racing.
The camera has a straight ahead vision, and if you're really
on the bike, your eyes are looking ahead into the curve, not
on a tangent from you current point in the curve....
Helmet cam is the same thing. It is cool though when a guy
gets sacked...
WLAF lasts two seasons at most....
'Saw
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122.36 | And don't forget it! | WORDY::NAZZARO | UMass: NIT Final Four now; NCAA next | Thu Apr 04 1991 15:24 | 5 |
| The most important new rule regarding the WLAF is that anyone
who watches more than five consecutive plays gets his peepee
whacked.
NAZZ
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122.38 | Standings and scores | CHIEFF::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Thu Apr 04 1991 17:00 | 25 |
| Courtesy of VNS:
[] AMERICAN FOOTBALL
WLAF -
Montreal Machine 10 barcelona Dragons 34
Frankfurt Galaxy 10 San Antonio Riders 3
WLAF Standings
North American East W L T PF PA
Orlando Thunder ....... 2 0 0 93 54
Montreal Machine ...... 1 1 0 30 39
New York NJ Knights ... 0 2 0 25 41
Raleigh Durham Skyhawks 0 2 0 23 67
North American West W L T PF PA
Birmingham Fire ....... 1 1 0 22 30
Sacramento Surge ...... 1 1 0 19 20
San Antonio Riders .... 0 2 0 37 45
European W L T PF PA
Barcelona Dragons ..... 2 0 0 53 17
London Monarchs ....... 2 0 0 46 29
Frankfurt Galaxy ...... 1 1 0 21 27
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122.39 | | CHIEFF::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Thu Apr 04 1991 17:01 | 1 |
| So, did WLAF steal the helmet-cam idea from BudBowl, or vice versa?
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122.40 | Monarchs No 1 ! | CRATE::ROWELL | I'm gonna be a Dad !!!! 8^) | Mon Jun 10 1991 11:35 | 17 |
| For anyone who is interested,
London Monarchs 21 Barcelona Dragon 0.
I went to the game, and enjoyed it all. There was a tremendouse
atmosphere. However, If I watched this on TV, I doubt I would have
enjoyed it. If this league survives, then I think that the standard
will improve. We will probably see some ex NFLers finishing off their
carreer here, prior to moving into coaching. This will pass on
experiance to the 'Just missed the NFL' players, whgo might make it
next time.
Time will tell.
Go Monarchs.
Wayne.
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122.41 | Monarchs wear WLAF crown. How appropriate. | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | | Mon Jun 10 1991 11:54 | 1 |
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122.42 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | Look out N.L., He's Baaaack | Mon Jun 10 1991 15:49 | 2 |
| Congrats to Dan Crossman for being the player of the game. It's good to
see a d-back get recognition.
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122.43 | when does the WLAF start up again? | JARETH::YANKOWSKAS | Orioles in '92 | Thu Mar 12 1992 15:53 | 1 |
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122.44 | | RUGBY1::way | Son House RULES! | Thu Mar 12 1992 17:37 | 1 |
| March 22
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122.45 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | | Thu Mar 12 1992 18:14 | 1 |
| Oh boy, another year of helmetcam and lime green uniforms!
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122.46 | | 7389::FARLEY | Son,you can make hundreds o'dollars... | Fri Mar 13 1992 02:00 | 2 |
| This weeks SI has the schedule inside it
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122.47 | | FDCV06::KING | Lebanon NH, the pits of the world!!! | Fri Mar 13 1992 11:02 | 5 |
| I liked the Helmet cam..... Gave a new meaning to..
IN YOUR FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
REK
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122.48 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | | Fri Mar 13 1992 11:33 | 1 |
| I hope USA does the Wlaff games again. Best sleep aid since Nytol.
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122.49 | SEMI-Pro WLAF | MCIS2::MCDONNELL | | Fri Jun 19 1992 18:24 | 4 |
| It is the WLAF kinda.. The Marlboro Shamrocks will be hosting
the Moscow Giants at Kelleher Field in Marlboro tomorrow night
at 8:00. Adults $8.00 and Children/Seniors $6.00
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122.50 | | CAMONE::WAY | Death before Dishonor | Fri Jun 19 1992 19:06 | 10 |
| > It is the WLAF kinda.. The Marlboro Shamrocks will be hosting
> the Moscow Giants at Kelleher Field in Marlboro tomorrow night
> at 8:00. Adults $8.00 and Children/Seniors $6.00
Do they ever play the New England Crusaders?
A guy I work out with is the Crusaders center....
'Saw
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122.51 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Fri Jun 19 1992 19:15 | 4 |
122.52 | Giants or Shamrocks ? | MCIS2::MCDONNELL | | Fri Jun 19 1992 20:16 | 12 |
| The Shamrocks play the Crusaders during the EFL regular season
I beleive.
Is that what you were asking ?? I have seen the Moscow Giants
around Marlboro and they will have their hands full taking on
the Shamrocks, the Shamrocks are a bigger and experienced team.
The Giants have only been in existence for 2 years.
Later,
Dave
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122.53 | | CAMONE::WAY | Death before Dishonor | Fri Jun 19 1992 20:27 | 13 |
| > The Shamrocks play the Crusaders during the EFL regular season
> I beleive.
Yeah, that's what I meant.
The ticket prices sounded similar to what Pete (the guy I work out with)
told me about.
btw, my friend Pete was 1st Team Center All-League last season, in
his rookie season. First time a rookie was all-league.
'Saw
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