Conference 7.286::sports_91

    
    I got .0!
    
    It seems to me that the NFL has done very well in recent years in
    getting the two teams that have played the best in the regular season
    into the league championship, especially compared to the NHL or MLB.

In 86 I know the Jints had the top NFC, who had it in the AFC?  (Not Denver
if my main man Chris Berman is correct)....

'Saw

    Cleveland had the best record in '86 Saw.  That's why the game was
    played there...

    	I like the 'Skins to win and cover.  I hope that MorT saw that
    "magical" guest that was in the owner's box yesterday.
    
    				/Don

    Is there a S.B. predictions note?
    
    
    if not, here goes mine:
    
    
    Skins - 30
    Bills - 17
    
    jeff

      Skins will win if buffalo looks like they did yesterday.

    Sure hope to see an AFC win in the SB...  Or at least hear about
    it since I'll be skiing my A$$ off now that the Donks are out of 
    it.  I'll be pulling for the Bill's even though they squeeked by
    the Donks.  
    
    But my brain says;  	(This is my brain)
    
    	Skins 35
    	Bills 10
    
    My heart says;		(This is my brain on drugs)
    
    	Bills 	30
    	Skins	24
    
    
     Go Bill's ...  Slam the Foreskins...
    
    Big Game Hunta !!

      BG,  does this mean your heart is a drug;^)????

    ...so where do you guys figure T will be sitting at the SB? Will it be
    on the bench or merely a luxury suite?
                                          Denny

    Jeff...  What ????  Denver already lost !!
    
    HTH
    
    Big Game

the ACC Chris style prediction:

		Buffalo could win....or lose... but there will NOT be
		a tie!


heh, heh, heh.....

    Jeff...  That was a pretty risky prediction...  You were way out
    on a limb with that one.  ;^)
    
    `Saw...  Real men don't hedge bets !  Pick one !
    
    Big Game Junta

>    `Saw...  Real men don't hedge bets !  Pick one !
    
I wasn't betting or predicting (two things I RARELY do).

I was taking a shot at ACC Chris 8^)


If Washington plays with the precision and focus they did on Sunday,
they will win the game.


I hope it's a GOOD game....


'Saw

    So Washington beats up the Lions again and get
    set up as the early favorites and 6 points
    
    Thats odd, considering no one is looking for Buffalo
    fans to give 6 points to! (-:
    
    I really think the Redskins will get embarrassed,
    and I take the crow if I'am wrong, but I don't think so
    
    Buffalo by 10

    Bills in the upset by 3!

    Buffalo will do an imitation of the Donks in the Super Bowl and lose
    45-10.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Either the Bills will win or they won't.
    
    Mark.

    WOW, that's cosmic, Mark, just cosmic.
    
    
    JaKe
    

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From: clarinews@clarinet.com (MIKE RABUN, UPI Sports Writer)
Subject: Washington vs. Buffalo ... finally
Date: 13 Jan 92 19:32:17 GMT

Commentary
Pro Files
	It was 234 professional football games ago that the majority of those
who claim to know about such things were saying the Washington Redskins
and Buffalo Bills would be playing on Jan. 26, 1992 in the Hubert
Horatio Humphrey Metrodome.
	And here we are.
	What a massive waste of time and money we have gone through just to
arrive at the obvious conclusion.
	If we had to endure Sunday after Sunday of fumbles, interceptions and
beer commercials, the least we could have had was a result that would
have made it all meaningful.
	Phoenix vs. Cleveland in the Super Bowl, for instance, would have
shown just how important all those games were that went into eliminating
the 26 teams that will not be present Sunday after next. Tampa Bay vs.
Seattle would have been just as good.
	But, no. We've got Washington and Buffalo to deal with, which means
all those other games were just time killers.
	If they had listened to the know-it-alls back in August, we could
have cleaned up this mess before the leaves turned. Instead, we must
spend the next two weeks going through the mandated exercise of trying
to figure out who is going to win the Super Bowl.
	Well, the advice here is to get this over with in a hurry. So here it
is:
	Washington is going to win the Super Bowl. And there are all sorts of
reasons why the Redskins will do so.
	First of all, the game is being played indoors. The NFC has a 4-1
record in indoor Super Bowls. The only AFC team to win a Super Bowl
played under a roof was Oakland. The Raiders are not in this one. The
Raiders are not even in Oakland, for that matter.
	The people who put a lot of stock in colors say Washington will win
the Super Bowl because the Redskins wear red. That means Washington's
aura will be putting out heat, a much needed element when one finds
oneself in Minneapolis in January. The cool blue of the Bills will
evaporate against the Redskins say the experts in this field.
	Among those who like conspiracy theories, Washington is the runaway
favorite because it is the Capitol's team. The whispers in the back
halls say if the Bills do not flop in the upcoming game, every
government-backed project in the Buffalo area will be voted out of
existance. So there.
	The numerologists also like the Redskins. It used to be that if a
quarterback wore No. 12 in the Super Bowl, he was a likely winner. Those
days are apparently over. Joe Montana, after all, wore something other
than No. 12 and so did Phil Simms and Jeff Hostetler. Buffalo's Jim
Kelly wears No. 12. But Washington's Mark Rypien has No. 11 on his
jersey.
	All of those reasons sould quite logical to these ears, but so does
this one: Buffalo's defense rose up and swatted down the Kansas City
Chiefs two weeks ago and received a lot of accolades for it.
	Kansas City, however, has the most one-dimensional offense in
professional football. Once the Chiefs ran into a wall on the ground,
they were helpless in the air.
	Last Sunday, Buffalo almost shut out the Denver Broncos and more
folks jumped on the Bills' defensive bandwagon. But this effort came
against a team that had scored more than 20 points only four times
during the regular season.
	Despite John Elway's heroics against the Houston Oilers, Denver was
not a very good offensive team this year and it showed against Buffalo.
Even Minnesota gained more yards than Denver did this season and the
Vikings weren't exactly Super Bowl material.
	So it says here the Buffalo defense will crumble like an overbaked
cookie. The Bills put pressure on Elway, but Rypien has been protected
better than President Bush lately.
	Art Monk and Gary Clark will have an enjoyable day catching close to
100 yards worth of passes each, Ricky Ervins will break a couple of long
runs in the second half and anytime the Redskins get within a cannon
shot of the goal line, Chip Lohmiller will be around to add three points
to the cause.
	Washington led the NFL in points this season and has not slowed down
in the playoffs. In ideal playing conditions, at least for Buffalo, the
Bills could not manage an offensive touchdown against Denver. The
Broncos have a good defense, but it still isn't as good as the
Redskins'.
	After all the discussion about the three-deep zones and the safety
blitzes and the middle screens, it comes down to points. And Washington
will be able to score more points than Buffalo. That was the consensus
in August, as you recall, and it hasn't changed.

    

         I'll put some #'s out there.....

                       Washington  24        Buffalo 20

         Even though I would like to see Buffalo win it Washington is just 
    too well balanced this year.

                                                   Night Flier   ~~v~~

    Those fans coming here for the game had better bring their winky
    warmers.  The artic blast has re-emerged and we're at -12 this morning.
    Gone are those mild days of 30 degrees that we were blessed with the
    last few weeks.  :*(
    
    It's kind of fun with all the activities planned downtown.  We do have
    one Redskins fan in the office and he does have tickets.  Not only
    that, but his daughter is in a danceline as part of the pregame or
    halftime show.  
    
    I'm not sure if I'll try to get in.  If I do, I'm going to wait until
    about 20 minutes before gametime and find a desperate scalper.  I'll
    offer about $15 and that's about it.  Face value is $150/$200.
    
    Interesting note on Washington's kicker Chip Lohmiller.  He's a local
    boy and was a walk-on at the U of Minnesota.  He went on to have a very 
    good college career and was drafted in the second round by the
    Redskins.  I remember his first year when he was struggling there
    and many of the fans wanted his head.  Now he's the Pro Bowl kicker and 
    actually scored more points himself than the whole Indy Colts team this
    year.  It's a dream come true for him.  What could top the season?  Oh,
    probably a game winning FG...
    
    
    Spud                                                             

       Hey Spud, tell MorT we're waiting for his 'analysis' of Jawn, big
    bag Jawn.
                                         Denny

    AFC all uv du way! I don't really care for the Bills but I'm tired of
    all this NFC domination junk.....Bills by a Norwood field
    goal...restitution for lasted year ya know...
    
    Carlos

>    NFC domination?  What's the big deal here anyway?  

    I agree 2000%.  I hate the Bills, and I'm not gonna pull for 'em just
    because they're an AFC team.  
    
    Touchdown, Washington Redskins!
    
    
    Joe

     

    FWIW,
    
    Heard tonite that Chuck Noll will be doing the coin toss at the Super
    Bowl this year.
    
    JaKe
    

    Big Game, he asked, I answered.

    
    Question....what is kick-off time?

    
    I believe its 6:18pm east coast, and of course 3:18 here on the left
    coast
    
    
    
    Al
    
    

     Things I'd like to see during this year's Super Bowl (in no particular
     order):

     1) Boyz 2 Men doing the national anthem.

     2) Bruce Smith getting a sack and not celebrating.

     3) The announcers never once saying, "The whole season comes
        down to this game" as if we didn't know.

     4) A close, hard fought game.

     5) No crowd shots of good looking babes with rich guys that aren't me.

     6) Scott Norwood kicking the field goal that sends it into overtime.

     7) A start time that allows me to see my all-time favorite movie 
        'On The Waterfront' on the big screen in Cambridge that same day.

     8) At least one long Thurman Thomas run for a touchdown.

     9) At least one great Art Monk catch for a touchdown.

    10) Someone getting the MVP who you never would have picked beforehand.

    11) Joe Gibbs getting really emotional on one side of the field and Marv
        Levy falling asleep on the other. 

    12) A Keystone beer commercial where someone takes a swig then spits it 
        out and says, "Gawd, this is awful !"

    13) No beachballs, wave or barechested morons.

    14) An 'Up With People' vs LA Crips gang fight as the half-time show.

    
    

    
    	Tommy Brydie.....the Dave Barry of ::SPORTS! :*)
    
    	Good stuff.
    
    	Claybroon
    

>     5) No crowd shots of good looking babes with rich guys that aren't me.
      
    You mean those middle-aged gentlemen who always seem to bring their
    good looking daughters to these big sporting events?
                                         Denny

>     1) Boyz 2 Men doing the national anthem.

Nah.  I'd like to see Rich Little come out and do the National Anthem
as a bunch of different folks..


>     3) The announcers never once saying, "The whole season comes
>        down to this game" as if we didn't know.

I'd settle for an announcer with a brain


>     5) No crowd shots of good looking babes with rich guys that aren't me.
>    13) No beachballs, wave or barechested morons.
>    12) A Keystone beer commercial where someone takes a swig then spits it 
>        out and says, "Gawd, this is awful !"

But I'd like a crowd shot of me with a barechested babe where I suck
down a keystone, spit it out on a guy wif a beachball, say "This is
awful", then plant one on the babe while the wave starts, and say
"It doesn't get any better than this...."

>     6) Scott Norwood kicking the field goal that sends it into overtime.

I'd like to see Norwood get a bigger helmet, or a Gonzo helmet like
Mark "How many more times can I get concussed" Kelso.  Norwood's helmet
is too small cause it makes his eyes into slits and he cain't see the
posts....


>     7) A start time that allows me to see my all-time favorite movie 
>        'On The Waterfront' on the big screen in Cambridge that same day.

I coulda been somebody, Tommy, I coulda been somebody...



>    14) An 'Up With People' vs LA Crips gang fight as the half-time show.


Too cool!


'Saw
    
    

    >14) An 'Up With People' vs LA Crips gang fight as the half-time show.
    
    It's been 10 minutes and I'm still tearward over this one!  The image
    is bee-yute-ee-full.
    
    Mark.

    	My money's on Up With People.  They would bore the Crips to
    death.
    
    				/Don

Up, Up with people, the people wherever you go
Up, Up with people, the best kind of folks I know,
If more people were for people, for people everywhere,
There'd be a lot less people to worry about
and a lot more people who care....



Now be good little do-bees, and drink your milk.
Don't forget to wash your hands and face and private parts,
but don't wash your private parts to long or too hard.

Go to church on Sunday, say your prayers, and maybe someday,
you TOO can join Up with people....



Up, Up with people, the people wherever you go
Up, Up with people, the best kind of folks I know,
If more people were for people, for people everywhere,
There'd be a lot less people to worry about
and a lot more people who care....

Of course, I always preferred the song:


Nude Up, Nude Up with people, the people wherever you go
Nude Up, Nude Up with people, the best kind of folks I know,
If more people were for people, for people everywhere,
There'd be a lot less people to worry about
and a lot more people who care....

    
    We had Up with People come and do a show at our High School last year
    as a fund-raiser. They put on a great show and are sold out everywhere
    they go. 

>    Question....what is kick-off time?

    Re Up With People - They performed as the half-time show at the opening
    of Giants Stadium in 1976.  We booed them, chanting "We want the
    Caballeros!  We Want the Caballeros!"
    
    For those not in the know - the Giants tradional half-time show was
    provided by the Hawthorne (N.J.) Caballeros Marching Band.  They did
    have a part in the half time show - but Up with People?  Argh - we were
    not amused.   The Caballeros ROOOLZ!
    
    On Scott Norwood.  Actually, the perfect SuperBowl ending would be for
    him to miss another one at the final gun, and the Bills lose.  This
    country needs a real good SPorts Goat to kick around.
    
    JD

 RE.35

    It's my understanding that Norwood may be sidleined with a severe case of
Bromatosis. 

Cadzilla

    Cadzilla, that's *bromadrosis*, aka "stinkfoot".
    
    Mark.

    What was it called in that Simpsons episode?  Wasn't it "Up With
    Everything"?  Too funny.
    
    Well, I'm out of here.  Off to DC to teach the class that JD wimped out
    of.  Think there'll be any Super Bowl hype there?  Nah.
    
    	--dan'l

    If the game is close enough that Norwood missing one at the gun costs
    the Bills another game, I'm in deep poo-poo.
    
    
    'Skins by 33
    
    JaKe
    

  re.49

   Thanks Mark.

   I knew it something close to that.

CADZILLA

    
    >>    <<< Note 232.52 by GRANE::BROWN "I met Dynamo Hum last night" >>>
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    As in the Frank Zappa "Dynamo Hum"??????
    
    Didja get the money????
    
    JaKe
    

    Buffal makes up for last years game that was theres to win. Buffalo
    by a TD, and that because Washington scores with a minute or so left to
    make it that close.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    You're right Fake... You are in deep poo poo if that happens !
    
    Big Game

    Yeah suuuuurrre MrT .....
    
    That's not what you told me in your press-release you mailed to me the
    other day ....

	Halftime show on FOX:

	The Simpsons
	Living Color
	Married with Children

	I kid you not......

	/Cap'n Quad

    Looks like a new one, Slasher...  I know if I were gonna be 
    watching the bowl i'd be tuning in FOX at half time.
    
    BG

re .53

    Yea I got that 40 $ bill. 

Cadzilla 

    Hey by half time people may just turn to FOX for the duration.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    True...  As much as I want the Bills to kick a$$ on the Skins
    I think this ones pretty much a mail in victory for Joe Gibbs,
    JKC and the rest of those D.C. bums.  Sure hope Kelly and Thermal
    catch fire and put on many many pts on the Skin's.  Be nice to keep
    Skins SB victories to Strike years only.  Keep that asterisk in
    the record books.  
    
    BG

    Interesting cover story in the McPaper today on the Twin Cities.  Takes
    away some of the impressions that we're in the middle of a cornfield. 
    (Well, we are, but there's 2.5M of us :*)
    
    There's also an article in the new SI about Minnesota and the
    incredible sports year we are involved in.
    
    I'm going to check out the "Party Under Glass" this weekend in the
    skyway system.
    
    
    Spud

    Spud... You going tot he big dance ??
    
    BG

    Re: The question "Do I need a coat?"
    
    If you're a moron, I guess the answer would be no...
    
    Also, the comment they we're praying we don't get a major storm:
    
    Actually, many of us do hope there is a major storm and plummeting
    temperatures so these people REALLY know what winter is like.
    
    
    Spud

    Say what you will, boors, but the ftm is that John (Big Bad John) got
    chased and finally hurt and wasn't on the field to carry the Broncos
    on his broad shoulders.  Treadpoor gagged, and even that was overcome
    by John (Big Bad John) and Kubiak, and it took additional chokism by
    Sewell to hold these high quality out a the SB.
    
    Facks talk, and so do I.
    
    MrT

    The facts, MrT, was the Elway couldn't get the Broncos into the endzone
    and had to leave it to Treadwell.  In fact, Elway couldn't even get it
    in Treadwell's range that day.
    
    Another example of the Elway worshippers syndrome:  when the Broncos
    win it's because of Elway, and when they lose it because of someone
    else.

    
    
    But MrT,  Why couldn't BBJ lead them into the end zone despite
    numerous possesions starting at or near mid field in the first half. 
    Treadwell did gag, but on several occassions BBJ lost precious yards to
    move them out of close range.
    
    John didnt have a good game and his int. was very costly.  Poor John,
    poor BBJ.
    
    
    
    
      

    You cain doubletalk your mumbo-jumbo to joe heart's delight, but
    the simple undisputed critical FACK is that John (Big Bad John)
    wasn't in the game to work his magic and when the game.  Kelly
    started slow too, but was steal around to finish it off.  Please
    refer to the FACK that John (Big Bad John) wasn't, which was a 
    loss to anybody who loves great and inspiring grid.
    
    If he had been, he woulda won the game.  NOBODY works a two minute
    drill like John (Big Bad John).  Got to credit the Bills, though.
    They knew they had to knock John (Big Bad John) out a the game to
    win, and they did.
    
    MrT

    The Donks lost because Ed (Big Teeth Ed) was too stubborn and selfish
    to see that he didn't have the mobility to lead his team.  If Kubiak
    played the whole second half, the Donks would have won.
    
    Mark.

    
    > The facts, MrT, was the Elway couldn't get the Broncos into the endzone
    > and had to leave it to Treadwell.  In fact, Elway couldn't even get it
    > in Treadwell's range that day.
    > 
    > Another example of the Elway worshippers syndrome:  when the Broncos
    > win it's because of Elway, and when they lose it because of someone
    > else.
    
    The best example of this was the drive where Elway *did* lead the Broncos 
    into chip-shot field goal range (to the ten) and then on the next two
    downs proceeded to fumble a snap pulling away from the center (the
    inexperience of the center was of course cited as the problem but it
    appeared as if the ball slipped out of Elway's hands well after the
    transition) and then take a costly sack.  The series resulted in a loss 
    of almost 20 yards.
    
    Elway was directing the offense extremely well before leaving the game,
    MrT?  You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
    
    glenn
    
                                                              

    From anchient memory cells,  the first part of "BIG BAD JOHN".  
    I believe it was a hit single by Johnny Cash back in the 60s/70s. 


Every mornin at the mine you could see him arive.
He stood six foot six and weighed 245.
Kind of broad at the shoulder narrow at the hip,
And everyone knew you didn't give no lip to Big John.

	refrain

BIG JOHN, BIG JOHN,   BIG BAD JOHN.



    Can't remember the rest, but BBJ ends up dying at the bottom of the 
    mine.  I think he had a 2 minute warning to get out but couldn't.  
    Please feel free to add as appropriate. 

Pat

    A truely great quarterback would have put the game out of reach early,
    especially with that field position advantage.  The outcome of close
    games is probably due more to luck than talent.  Large margins of
    victory are more credible proof of superiority.

                   
    As MrT himself said with regards to Warren Moon: "It's a 60 minute game."
    
    glenn
    

    
    Mac,
    
    	What do you consider to be Treadwell's range?  47, 42, and 3X
    	yards are all in range.  47 is on the edge of it though.....
    
    Claybroon

Every year 'round the playoffs you could see him arrive,
He stood six foot four and weighed 205.
Kind of broad in the shoulders, narrow in the brain,
And everybody knew in the BIG one his skills would wane.

PICK JOHN, PICK BAD JOHN.

Old John would take his Broncos every year to the show,
But that's just as far as the Donkey's would go.
Super Bowl blowouts became the norm,
While ol' Mr. Ed would look tired an worn.

PICK JOHN, PICK BAD JOHN.

Well the Donkeys went north to play the Bills,
But old John started looking over the Hill.
Late in the game Buffalo started smokin',
And running true to form John started chokin'.

Nobody can say if John's leg was hit,
Some say John just up and quit.
But on the field as the players gathered round,
Someone said "under that pile is a quarterback who's a clown".

PICK JOHN, PICK BAD JOHN.

    Why the hell are you dudes dwelling on the past.  The Broncos lost
    to Luckaolo fair and square.  This is the Superbowl note and the 
    Broncos aren't in it,  thats fact.  

    MrT,
    
    The only thing I can say about your boy Elway is... Thank God for him
    and his Bronco's!  If it wasn't for this Donkey and his teammates 
    wheezing in the Big One, the Vikes would still hold all the failure
    records.
    
    Thanks again John-Boy!
    
    
    Spud 

    Spud, the Pats fans are grateful to the Broncos as well.  Afterall,
    that SuperBowl pasting by the Bears was removed from the record books.

    
    	So is Elway supposed to know what Tread's range is on any 
    	particular day?  You were bashing Elway for Tread's chokes.
    
    	I don't have any of his stats with me.  He's accurate from
    	45 in.  He's probably 50/50 beyond that.  He hit a 49 yarder
    	against Houston the week before.
    
    	Don't get me wrong.  I think Elway deserves his share of the
    	blame for the loss to Buffalo, but I think Treadwell deserves
    	more........
    
    	Claybroon

    
    I concur, /don. That was pretty funny.

    Ditto, /don....outstanding....and 100% correct!!!!!
    
    
    Nelly

    Butt Haid !!!   Slasher has to pick on the Broncos because
    everyone has forgotten about his "Mighty" (shitty) team well
    before the half way point in the season.    Like I said,
    this is the superbowl topic,  The Broncos ain't in it so 
    we ought not be talking about them in here.  
    
    Oh Mr. moderator...
    
    Bg

    Big Lame, take a pill.
    
    We put up with your Broncos crap in every single NFL note for 17 weeks
    and you want us to stop just because YOU are sick and tired if it?
    
    Hah!
    
    Mark.

  
      So we're ten days from the biggest sports day in America which kind 
     of sets me to thinking...  


     There's been a lot of fuss about what a jerk Jack Kent Cooke is, but
     quick who owns the Bills ? Just wondering.

     The Twin Cities may not be in the middle of a cornfield but they ain't
     N'awlins either.

     Then again they beat the hell out of Foxborough and Green Bay. 
     
     It's fine to be into sports but if you're sitting at home watching the 
     Super Bowl with a multi-colored afro wig on then you've got a serious
     problem.

     Some of those Washington hogs fans look a little too at home in those 
     house dresses. They kind of remind me of that cross-dressing scene in
     Woody Allen's "Evrything You Always Wanted To Know About Sex..."

     Just as Michael Buffer should be the designated ring announcer for all 
     title bouts, John Madden and Pat Somerall should be the designated ann-
     ouncers for every Super Bowl.

     If Scott Norwood blows the game winner this time I don't think his team-
     mates will be quite as understanding as they were last year.   

     It's amazing how entertaining a Super Bowl can be without the Donks in
     it.

     If as we're always told line play wins it then you have to go with the
     'Skins.

     How glad do you think CBS is that they don't have Denver and Detroit play-
     ing in Minnesota ? That woulda been a real ratings bonanza.

     I wish I had a dollar for every time I've heard Gary Glitter's 'Hey 
     Rock N' Roll Part II' playing at some stadium during a televised sporting 
     event.

     Lobsters, steamers and Sam Smith's Nut Brown Ale. That's what I'll be
     doing Super Bowl Sunday. It's tradition.
         
     
    

    
    >>From anchient memory cells,  the first part of "BIG BAD JOHN".  
    >>I believe it was a hit single by Johnny Cash back in the 60s/70s. 
                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    Jimmy Dean (the pork sausage guy) did "Big Bad John", not Johnny Cash.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    .232>Elway was directing the offense extremely well before leaving 
    .232>the game
    
    Thank you thank you thank you, glen.  Sometimes you get pretty mixed-
    up, but with this you are right on.
    
    Don't wear yourselves out trying to pin the Broncos' close road loss
    to the Bills on John (Big Bad John), fellas.  After all, many consider
    Kelly the best there is and HIS offense never even scored a TD!
    
    MrT

    I did't say I was sick and tired of anything, Bark...   What
    I said is that the Superbowl topic is not the place for talk
    of the Broncos since we all know that they're at home and they
    aint packing for the cold in Minny.  Fact is, Bark...  If you
    wanna talk about the Donks and bad mouth ever player on the 
    team thats fine with me, Just do it the topic.  
    
    BG
    
    
    >> Big Lame, take a pill.<<
    
     I don't do drugs, Bark...

    >> .232>Elway was directing the offense extremely well before leaving 
    >> .232>the game
    
    > Thank you thank you thank you, glen.  Sometimes you get pretty mixed-
    > up, but with this you are right on.
    
    Wow.  Never thought I'd see you sink this low, MrT.  I think Mac was
    right; how the once-proud have fallen...
    
    > Don't wear yourselves out trying to pin the Broncos' close road loss
    > to the Bills on John (Big Bad John), fellas.  After all, many consider
    > Kelly the best there is and HIS offense never even scored a TD!
    
    Which would have spelt Bronco victory had not Elway and his offense 
    produced negative one (-1) touchdowns...
    
    glenn
    

    
    
>    Don't wear yourselves out trying to pin the Broncos' close road loss
>    to the Bills on John (Big Bad John), fellas.  After all, many consider
>    Kelly the best there is and HIS offense never even scored a TD!
    
>    MrT


Kelly didn't have to score a TD,  John (Big Bad John) did that for him.

Don't get me wrong.  I have been very impressed by John's performance this 
year.  BUT, he was mediocre during the Championship game.  The game in which
the winner gets to go to the Super Bowl.  

Pat

    Skins  30
    
    bills 20
    
    norwood misses 2, late td by Sanders ices it for REDSKINS..
    
    Ricky Irwin [sp]?  running back  MVP
    
    DINZ
    

On ESPN radio Dan Dierdorf, Brett Mushmouth, and Chris Berman all
picked the Bills.  They felt the Bills team speed will be a big 
advantage indoors on the turf.  I have to agree and pick the Bills
by 10.  Thermal Thomas will have a big game, score 2 TD's and win
MVP honors.  Washington really hasn't played a tough team in the
playoffs while the Bills got a severe reality check.  Washington's
average score on grass is something like 34-13 while on turf it's
28-23.  

    Well here is the Bills chance to become the Broncos of the 90's.  They
    have been to the show once so that should help.  In my mind the Skins
    will have to turn the ball over to lose the game.  The 7 point spread
    looks high, but so did the 13 1/2 they where laying vs the Lions.  I
    wont make a move on the game until I call SCORE and Bob Dunbar.  They
    gave out Wash as there "NFL Playoff Lock of the Year" last week.  I
    would imagine they will stay with the Skins.
    
    Greg

 Vikes lost to the Steelers and Raiders back to back. Donks loet to Giants
 and Skins back to back.

 mike    

    ...and Bills will have lost to Giants and 'Skins back-to-back.
    
    
    Joe

    
    The Dome is the big advantage the Bills have.  Indoor turf helps their
    team speed.  However, I still think the secondary of the Bills is a
    weak spot - and the turf can only help Monk, Clark and Sanders.  And
    I'd love to see Lofton or Beebe one on one with Green deep.
    
    
    The wild card in this game is Joe Gibbs.  I'm sure he'll devise
    something.
    
    My strategy would be to come out chucking the ball every down.  The
    Bills have to be gearing up to stop the clock.  They'll have the memory
    of getting the ball shoved down their throat in last year's super bowl,
    and the film clips of the hogs leading a clock eating, turf tearing
    ground assault.  
    
    They'll be bunching up, and biting at fakes.  Kelso and big mouth, er
    Smith, will be cheating up.  My ultimate first play from scrimmage
    would be a flea flicker.  Riggs up the middle, back to Rypien, hit
    someone deep.  
    
    Also, look for the Skins tight ends to have big days.  
    
    The other big edge, IMO, to the Skins is Chip Lohmiller over Norwood. 
    Norwood is a better kicker on turf than grass, but Lohmiller is a
    WEAPON.
    
    JD

    re: .104
    
    But the best Viking team was the one in 1975 that lost on Drew
    Pearson's offensive pas interference on Staubach's Hail Mary pass. Ouch
    that one hurt, especially for someone who loathes the Cowboys.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Also JD, don't forgot that Chip Lohmiller kicked for the Golden 
    Gophers for four years in the HHH Dome.
    
    MrT

     
    
    re .106
    
    Don't remind me ... I grew up a Vikes fan (to the shame of my
    Raiders'-to-the-core dad) - if I didn't hate the Cowboys before then, I
    REALLY hated them afterwards ....
    
    Doc

    Washington is staying just down the 494 strip at the Radisson south.
    Maybe I should head over there and see if any mack trucks are roaming
    around.  Apparently Washington is going to use the Vikes facilities in
    Eden Prarie.
    
    Geez and I thought Peplowski was big from MSU.
    
    BTW, the Twin Cities may not be New Orleans, but then again New Orleans
    ain't the Twin Cities.  As Rod Carew once said, Minnesota is one of
    the best kept secrets.  Most atheletes who play here end up staying.
    One small fact:  We have more Theaters (not movies) than any city in
    the US except New York.
    
    
    Spud               

    
    re: .108
    
    You grew up a Vikes fan?

    Easy to explain, Groaner: Midnight is like George Bush.  He's got deep
    personal connections to every region in the nation (Oakland, Texas,
    New England, and now... Minnesota).
    
    HTH,
    
    MrT

    
    > BTW, the Twin Cities may not be New Orleans, but then again New Orleans
    > ain't the Twin Cities.  As Rod Carew once said, Minnesota is one of
    > the best kept secrets.  Most atheletes who play here end up staying.
    > One small fact:  We have more Theaters (not movies) than any city in
    > the US except New York.
    
    Anybody read that article by Steve Rushin (born in Bloomington, MN) in
    Sports Illustrated?  He says that you Minnesotans take yourselves too
    seriously and can't take a joke.  I read the entire piece and I don't
    think MrT fits the profile...
    
    glenn
    

    I thought it was San Diego, not Oakland...
    

What's the temperature Spud?

I read in the paper today that ticket package sales are way, WAYYYYYYyyyy down
this year. Jose Cuervo is actually selling more ticket packages to Mexico where
you watch the game on a big screen set up on the beach than actual ticket 
packages to Minny.

Supposedly Minnesotans are hoping for cold snowy weather so that they can show
off how hardy they are....the cold must have frozen your collective brains :-)

The article did have good things to say about the winter carnival however....

Metz

52 degrees, sunny and out working in the garden yesterday.....thanks to the 
El Nino this year....

    From my weather calendar for this week:
    
   -COLDEST
    
    With an average temperature of 9 degrees, this week is 65 degrees
    colder than the warmest.  Prepare for an upward temperature climb for
    the next 26 weeks!
    
    heh, heh, heh.  Very funny.  But as of now it looks like the visitors
    may be lucky after all.  It's in the 30's today and they're talking 40
    tomorrow!  I've heard 30's through Friday so far.  Course things could
    change after that...  ;*)
    
    We've been told that ALL the hotel rooms are gone.  Some people
    (including corporate likes) are staying 80+ miles away.  People with
    tickets, but without rooms are coming.  Some may just come for the game
    and fly out again.  Despite what you hear, there's not a ticket to be
    found.  I mean geez, they have only so few tickets to sell, most of it
    goes to the non-fan corporate likes anyway.
    
    One thing about Minnesotans, they are very protective of their area
    and people.  I think we can take a joke, I mean look at all the people
    here who ice fish.  :*)  :*)
    
    I haven't read the article yet in SI, but Rushin did a good job on the 
    World Series for them.  He's a young writer, so I wouldn't say he knows
    everything about the state.
    
    I'll have to let you know about some of the events I attend.  It's
    sounding like the Ice Palace will be the major attraction with 2M
    people expected to see it during the 12 days of the St. Paul Winter
    Carnival.
    
    
    Spud

    > found.  I mean geez, they have only so few tickets to sell, most of it
    > goes to the non-fan corporate likes anyway.
    
    The Tank McNamara cartoon strip has been concentratiiong the last 2
    weeks on 2 ordinary fans who somehow were able to buy Super Bowl
    tickets via a ticketro/teletron oyutfit in Des Moines. Really good
    stuff.
    
    The Crazy Met
    
    

    
    >> found.  I mean geez, they have only so few tickets to sell, most of it
    >> goes to the non-fan corporate likes anyway.
    
    >The Tank McNamara cartoon strip has been concentratiiong the last 2
    >weeks on 2 ordinary fans who somehow were able to buy Super Bowl
    >tickets via a ticketro/teletron oyutfit in Des Moines. Really good
    >stuff.
    
    They've been crying up a storm about ticket distribution in
    Washington DC.  Apparently league policy dictates that at least 7,000
    of the some 13,000-15,000 tickets given to each team this year be 
    distributed to season ticket holders.  The sleazy Jack Kent Cooke says 
    that he's in compliance with this dictate but is refusing to state 
    exactly how many tickets were included in the lottery.  The gist of the 
    justified complaints of the faithful Redskin customers is that he's 
    only kicking in about half the team allotment.
    
    They didn't have the problem to this extent when the Patriots went to 
    the Super Bowl, right?  Didn't just about everyone who was registered 
    as a season ticket holder get at least one ticket?  Not saying that the
    situations are at comparable, just curious...
    
    glenn
    
                

    The New Orleans Superdome was slightly bigger than the Metrodome so
    each participating team had more tickets to distribute.  Also, we had
    far fewer season ticket holders that year than the Redskins do now. 
    Finally, we did offer each season ticket holder the chance to buy a
    Super Bowl ticket on a one-for-one basis but they only had 1 day to
    show up and get them.
    
    John

    re: .117
    
    surprise, surprise, wouldn't expect any less from Cooke. When the
    Giants got to the Super Bowl in 1986, almost all of the allocation went
    to season ticket holders - of course they have 60,000 season ticket
    holders. Not sure what happened in 1990 but there was less demand than
    in 1986.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    John.
       The way the Pats worked it was each account was allowed 2 tickets. I
    friend of mine had 30 seats in his season ticket account. He was only
    allowed 2 Super Bowl tickets. Also, they did extend the deadline to
    pick up your tickets 'til Tuesday. 
                                 Denny

that Tank strip is a riot....

almost as good as the series about the slashers star player refusing ot pass to
any of his teammates....


Metz

    Denny,  I stand corrected on the tickets.  I can easily see how we
    could have had enough to give each season ticket holder a pair.
    
    No I didn't go to the Super Bowl.  I wouldn't have been part of the
    travelling party (though if we ever make it again, I will offer to take
    the week off from work and go down and work with the team if they'll
    pay my expenses to do so).  One of my colleagues on the crew went - was
    able to come up with a ticket and chartered down.  Another colleague
    went down and gave a ticket taker a C note to get in.  He got in.
    
    One of the other guys, besides working, has season tickets.  He offered
    me the tickets at his cost and I turned him down, thinking I wouldn't
    be able to afford the cost of the trip.  That year, the tickets were
    $75 each.  He bought his tickets and by the time he got out of the lot,
    sold them for $500 each.  If I'd known that, I'd have bought the
    tickets, sold one and had enough money to go.  I've regretted it ever
    since.
    
    John

       I coulda sold mine for $500 each on the way out of the Foxboro
    parking lot too. I went to the game instead. Should of took the dough
    and watched the game in a Bourbon St. bar. I would nexted time. BTW,
    tickets were being sold for a lot more than the $500 offered right
    away. Your friend shoulda held onto his ticket for a while.
                                      Denny

    Well, my friend is greedy and probably took the first offer he got.  In
    fact, even if he had promised me the tickets, he probably would have
    given into the lure of the big money and I wouldn't have gotten them
    anyway.  The trip to Disneyworld for his family would have been more
    important.
    
    The Super Bowl happened so suddenly that I didn't really have time to
    make sure I was somehow included.  I would have gladly done whatever
    shit work the team needed if I could have been part of the travelling
    party and gone, and would the next time too.
    
    What I would really like to see is for there to be a rating system for
    the stats crews (there is in the NBA) with members of the best crew
    (say, 2) being chosen to work the game with whoever works it (or, even
    for the Pro Bowl).  My ultimate dreams in my part-time job are 1.  To
    get a free trip to Europe or Japan for a preseason game and 2.  To work
    at the Super Bowl.
    
    John

>    What I would really like to see is for there to be a rating system for
>    the stats crews (there is in the NBA) with members of the best crew
>    (say, 2) being chosen to work the game with whoever works it (or, even
>    for the Pro Bowl).  My ultimate dreams in my part-time job are 1.  To
>    get a free trip to Europe or Japan for a preseason game and 2.  To work
>    at the Super Bowl.
    
How is it done now?

"Home" team in the Bowl supplies the crew????



'Saw

    Actually, the folks from the Elias Sports Bureau (the league
    statisticians) do the bulk of the work.  They may be helped out by
    members from the host team crew, but I'm not sure.  Members of the
    crews from the competing teams don't participate, to my knowledge. 
    Neither the crew chief before me (who was still crew chief when we went
    to the Super Bowl) nor the crew chief of the Bears (because Ed checked)
    were brought to the Super Bowl.
    
    John

    Say John, can I go as the all-star alternate ?

    They've got everything going here.  Tonight there is a flick football
    game at Joe Sensor's sports bar.  Kenny Stabler, Dave Casper and other
    former players are participating.  You may have called it by another
    name, but this is the game where a piece of paper is folded up into a
    triangle and flicked to the opposite edge of the table.  You can kick
    FG's and extra points as well.
    
    
    Spud

Ooohhh,

Exciting times in Minnysoda....


Metz

    I was pretty impressed by the pictures I saw of that ice palace over in
    St. Paul.

    Re: Flick football
    
    We used to do that in the cafe at public schools.  The Catholics didn't
    believe in fun so we couldn't do it in high school ;-)

    
    >>We used to do that in the cafe at public schools.  The Catholics didn't
    >>believe in fun so we couldn't do it in high school ;-)
    
    
    Now, Now, Mikey.  We Catholics DO TOO believe in fun.  Sheeeeeeyit, we
    used to drive the nuns crazy in grade school.  Used to play flick
    football all the time, too.  
    
    I spent 7 years in that nuthouse...er...I mean school and never once
    did a nun fully attain revenge upon me.  My parents, however, did make
    MANY MANY trips to the school to "bail me out."
    
    JaKe
    

    Flick football? Used to call it table football in NYC....But played
    all the time...taught my kids, and they play it too...I held the 
    school record for the longest field goal, 2 1/2 cafeteria tables :-)
    
    As to Joe Sensor's, let me speak up for Spud. This place as 
    easily one of the best sports bar & grills I've ever been to. Of
    course, being there during the baseball playoffs and WS helped,
    but the place really was fantastic. They've got the best meatball
    sub I've ever had too.
    
    But what makes it is the crowd. Total sports nuts, ladies included!
    Great, great fans....That bar went nuts the night Atlanta beat the 
    Pirates for the NL crown. I mean nuts. It was a great time...Course
    Spud and I were sudsing it up, which just added to the fun :-)
    
    

>    Flick football? Used to call it table football in NYC....But played


I forget what we called it, but when I was in 6th grade it was all the
rage.  Used to play it every study hall and after lunch (in the winter).

Used to play it at home in the winter.

We used to try and kick a FG and have the ball hit the other guy in the
face too.


Damn glad I never went to Catholic school.....


'Saw

>We also played 'hockey' with three coins, sliding one through the middle of the
>other two.  The school (public) I went to the teachers were happy when we did 
>this, because it was the least trouble we could get into.

Yeah!

I remember that.  Never liked it as much as football though.


We had one real b__ch in study hall, and she would go nuclear on us 
a lot.  That study hall I'd go to the library and read.  The others
though were football-city....



Speaking of football city, how many of you guys remember the Schaeffer
commercial with Marcy Hopkins?????



'Saw

       Eddie Anvilhaid is out in Minny doing his show this week. He had
    snake on lasted night talking about the 'Flick Football' tourney. It's
    sponsored by Southern Comfort and is nationwide, with regionals etc.
                                       Denny

    Joe Sensor ... wasn't he pretty good TE for the Vikes in the late 70's ?

    re  flick football
    
    Used to play it in HS ... best 'kicker' I ever saw was my buddy Steve
    Kerr ... who was blind, but you let him get hsi bearings, and he was
    the Morton Anderson of flick football ....

    Joe Senser, former TE for the Vikes, from Westchester State College in
    Pennsylvania.
    
    John

    Who, BTW holds an NCAA BB record.  That of highest FG % in a NCAA
    season. 
    
    
    Spud             

    Yes, although I wasn't asking the question, but stringing on to the
    last reply.  
    
    Are you guys tired of the hype yet?  I tend to stay away from most of
    it (in the paper anyway)  We're going to the Woofies game tonight and
    probably check out what's going on downtown a little.  
    
    Small Fact II:
    
    The first enclosed mall (Southdale) was built here in 1956.  If you're
    wondering whatever happened to old Met Stadium across the street,
    they've been constructing the new Mall of America or Megamall the last
    couple of years.  When completed this August, it will become the
    largest mall in North America with over 400 stores, nightclubs and
    restaurants, a huge amusement park in the middle and school to boot.
    The Mall has their offices up a few floors and I went up to see their
    model.  It is incredible...
    
    
    Spud

Ah yes.  The SUPER BOWL!  THIS WEEKEND!

It's time for my fearless predictions.  Eventually.

The Super Bowl.  The most important day of the year for millions.  An 
excuse for grown people to dress up like kids and scream and holler and 
gnerally act like obnoxious geeks.  The Super Bowl.  The day that is the 
showcase of America - the pinnacle of American culture.  The Game is 
broadcast to less nations and peoples all over the globe.  American 
Wannabe's - all of them.   Yeah, they have thier own pet events - the 
World Cup, the Last Guy Left Gets Eaten By The Lion contests, 
butt-walnut-cracking, Hormonal Overload Swim Championships, not-NBA 
material type guys tossing - but nothing like the Super Bowl.  Even in 
the greater 50 States, there isn't a championship like it.  The other 
sports have best of series, and basketball and hockey let anyteam 
boasting 6 players who can count to 12 get into the playoffs.  And 
hockey usually involves teams from Moose Nut, Canada and has a bunch of 
guys with french-sounding names.  But I digress.

The Super Bowl.  Predictions. Yep, that's what this note is about.  
Predictions.  SuperBowl XXmumble.  The Buffalo Bills versus the 
Washington Redskins.  Politically correct types will be in a big quandry 
(hit, a quandry is not a place where marble comes from..).  The 
Washington team debases native original inhabitants.  The Buffalo team 
conjures up the image of the men who drove the Washington team's 
namesakes into the ground.  There will be some sort of protest.  
Somewhere about this.  

This Super Bowl has the chance to be exciting.  For many Super Bowls, 
the most exciting part has been the coin flip.  I predict Chuck Noll 
will confer, via headset and headphones, with the coin flip coach before 
doing the ceremonial toss.   The Vegas Line of the winner of the coin 
toss is rated a 'toss up'.  Pretty funny - for Vegas.

Ah yes.  The Super Bowl.  Betting.  More Betting.  Even MORE BETTING!!!

You can bet on anything.  Here are some examples:

First Player to mouth "Hi Mom" to the camera (some obscure 50-cent piece 
defense back is the leading favorite...)

First time John Madden uses a Batman term (boink, zonk, etc...)

First use of the Etch-a-sketch thingy (Best Bet:  Madden choreographing 
the coin toss...)

First shot of the inside of the Metro Dome roof.

First shot of a Chestally-Advantaged Blonde (Female Division).

And so on....

Wait, the Super Bowl.  FOOTBALL.  AMERICAN FOOTBALL!

The pre-game show will be too long.  As always.  Scott Norwood missing 
the winner last year will be featured.  Human interest type stories 
(Bruce Smith knitting comforters for out-of-work ex-Sooners, Don Warren 
working for the given-name disadvantaged...)

The game itself?   Well we'll see BLIMP SHOTS of the outside of the 
stadium.  And no one will know why.  In fact, there will be NO BLIMP.  
They will use a still photo of the twin-cities (which aren't identical, 
FWIW, BTW.)  In fact, they will use an old picture, cuz in the corner 
you'll be able to see Len Krausse fair-catching Mary Tyler Moore's hat.

Oh yeah, another bet is guessing when the 'extended half-time' will be 
mentioned, and how it can make the team's 'cold' and tight.  Basically 
the problem with the extended half-time show is that coaches can't think 
of enough to say, and the players' attention span can't cope.  They 
should show some of them football follies in the locker room.  Loosen 
them up!

The game will feature endless shots and replays of every play.   
Commericals will feature scantily clad females, beer, junk food, fast 
cars, more females, healthy junk food, beer, incomprehensible perfume, 
fashion and computer adds, male-squirming feminine hygeine stuff, beer, 
and other things that make this game Great!  And captivates the 
audience.

Did I mention tailgating?  We'll see some.  The first large guy with a 
stogie, a sausage, a beer and can say 'ahhh' will be featured.  Unless 
there are a bunch of guys in boxer shorts with their chests painted.  
Then they go first.  

The game.  Oh yeah, THE GAME.  We'll know that the Bills are successful 
65% of the time on 2nd and 3 in dome games played on Sunday when its 
colder outside than in and the defense is in a 3-4 red dog cross hair 
alignment.  Or something like that.  

We'll hear a lot about hogs and how they shouldn't be on the carpet.  
Sounds right to me.  And we'll hear about guys younger than most of us 
being 'grizzled, seasoned veterans' (sounds like a steak) or in the 
'twilight of their careers'.   Oh, and we'll all wonder where Scot 
Norwood's eyes are.  All Washington field goal attempts will be chip 
shots.  

The half time show will replay all the great plays from the first half. 
And if their's an extra minute, highlights from the Vikings' Super Bowl 
Glories.  If there's an extra minute and 10 seconds, they'll include the 
Broncos.  5 more seconds and you get the Eagles and Patriots thrown in.

The second half will either matter or it won't.  And even if it does 
matter, to many it won't matter cuz they ain't got no gray matter left 
from all the fermented matter they been intaking.

Take the team logos.  A Buffalo and an American Indian.  If the game 
ends up like most meetings between those two nobel characters, the 
Dallas Cowboys will win the Super Bowl.

The Redskins have a posse.  The Bills have a linebacker with two much 
stuff in his hair.  The Redskins have the Hogs.  The Bills have a safety 
named after a horse.  Mind boggling, ain't it.

Oh yeah.  Predictions.  Wind will not be a factor.  Dan Quayle will root 
for the Canton Bulldogs, saying he respects people who live in the 
tropics.  

This will be a duel.  brought to you by Canon.  This will be a dog 
fight.  Brought to you by ALpo.  It will be a chess match.  Brought to 
you by Ed's Pawn shop.  It'll be everything and more.  Or it will be 
less exciting then last week's Matlock.  Or more exciting than "Beat The 
Clock" with Dean Smith.

The Super Bowl will be overproduced.  Overhyped.  Over-indulgent.  Long. 
 Too commercial.  Too corny.  Drawn out.  Over analyzed.

It'll be GREAT.  I won't miss it.  ANd neither will you.  If you do, you 
might as well be living in Delaware of some other country.

JD    

    I'll wait for a review before I read a 100+line note...
    Looks good though...
    

    ain't no flies on you JD!  MorT would be proud!

    
     Thermal Thomas in a whiner !!!

    Well worth reading the whole thing.
    
    Classic stuff.
    
    A&W

    
    	Done yerself proud there JD!
    
    	Claybroon

    My prediction is;
    
    Buffalo 26   Washington 24
    
    Norwood kicks 37 yarder with 2 seconds left to atone for last years
    near miss.....
    
    MVP---Jim Kelly
    
    
    Tom

    Truly eksalent note there, JD!!!
    
    JaKe
    

    Cool note...

JD

Publish that sucker!


'Saw

       JD was the first to tell us a few weeks ago that Neither Buff or
    Wash would win the SB.
                                        Denny

 Well I really hope Buffalo wins just to shake things up but the Skins
 appear to have to many answers on both sides of the ball. Plus the fact
 that they can play ball control and keep it away from the Bills. Kelley's
 thrown a lot of TDs and also alot of interceptions. Buffalo better score
 first or it's going to be a long day. Too much hype about what a good one
 it should be. I say Skins 34  Bills 16

>            -< I bet Bob Swerski's gonna be sitting next to Ditka. >-

Nah.

"Dikka" is gonna be a special guest star on Quizmasters....8^)


'Saw

    	Lisa loves her daddy Homer so the Redskins will win and cover.

    Nah, Velcro /Don
    
    Buffalo 23
    Wash(ed up)ington 20
    
    Take it to da bank.
    
    MikeL
    

    Buffalo 24
    
    Washington 20
    
    
    Thurman Thomas MVP  ( a whiner who can play on my team anytime!!!)

    Washington over the arrogant Bills, 34-10.
    
    Joe

      Alot of people think Norwood will be a big factor.  I don't.  Like
    somone said,  if Buffalo don't score 1st, then it may be a long day!
    
      Actually,  alot of the teams that score 1st lose.  Didn't buffalo
    score 1st last year?  I know the Broncos did in their last 3 SBs,  and
    look what happened!
    
      Unfortunately  the skins will win and cover.
    
      Good luck luckalo!
    
    	Tim

    Tim,
    Denver didn't score first against the Niners.
    
    Joe

    Skins 37
    Bills 14
                                Denny

    I'm in total agreement with Mike's .159, it's not going to be as close
    as many think.  Washington 30, Buffalo 13.
    
    
    py

    
     I read earlier this week that Buffalo QB Jim Kelly was interviewing
    Will McDonough of the Boston Globe and NBC for Kelly's tv show back
    in Buffalo. Apparently Kelly asked McDonough who he thought would
    win the Super Bowl. McDonough picked the 'Skins. When Kelly asked
    for his reasons McDonough replied with a straight face, 'Because they
    have the better quarterback'. 

    So, JD, does this mean that you aren't going to watch the SuperBowl
    this year?

    Washington in an exciting game 30-27

    
    
    Buffalo takes early 14-0 lead, never looks back.  TD on first
    drive, Washington turnover, TD on second drive.
    
    Final Buffalo 27  Washington 21

    Washington 27, Buffalo 17.  MVP is Ricky Ervins...

    You can bet the game straight up.

    Mac's right, but you might have to bet $200 to win $100 if you like the
    Skins.
                                  Denny

    Some unknown will probably step up to the front and have a career MVP
    game.  Somebody like...
    
    DOUG WILLIAMS ;-)

    Well, the big weekend is upon us.  I drove by the Dome last night and
    it had flashing lights all around it.  Also they built all these
    temporary Bud Bowl buildings across the street.  After the Woofs game
    we tried going in a few places, but they were so packed we didn't stay.
    It appears there are more Buffalo fans here than Washington.  At least
    that's the jackets/hats that we saw.  Didn't see any from Washington.
    Came across a couple of former Viking players prior to the game at the
    sports bar in the arena.  Matt Blair and Jesse Soloman.  There was
    another player, but we didn't recognize him.
    
    I'd like to check out an ESPN SportsCenter telecast if possible.  Also, 
    there are bands/activities going on in skyways all weekend.  The
    Minneapolis Convention Center has an NFL Experience as well.  This is
    described as the first ever NFL "Theme park" with over 30 exhibits,
    interactive games and NFL attractions.  Of course there's the Ice Palace 
    and all the St. Paul Winter Carnival events too.  I figure if I can't get 
    my price, gametime would be the best chance to check out the Palace.
    
    They're having a celebrity roast of Ahmad Rashad tomorrow (hosted by
    Bill Murray) and Super Bowl Saturday night (hosted by Burt Reynolds
    and televised by TNT)  Both are $50.  They had a Super Bowl breakfast
    this morning where Joe Gibbs was the speaker.  For a mere $1000 per
    person you could go to the NFL Alumni dinner tonight.
    
    Then there's Frank Sinatra, the Smothers Brothers, Charlie Daniels
    or Harry Conick Jr., whichever you prefer.
    
    Should be a pretty wild time.  Catch ya nexted week.
    
    
    Spud

    
>> <<< Note 232.181 by CSTEAM::FARLEY "Son,you can make hundreds o'dollars..." >>>
>>              -< What was Ahmad Rashad's birth name?  dtw only! >-
    
    Dorfman Gonad????????
    
    
    (8^0*     (8^)*
    
    JaKe
    

    Sammy Moore?  Wasn't he relate3d to the great Baltimore Colt Lenny
    Moore...
    
    JD

    Bobby Moore...

    I'll get off the fence,
    
    Washington 12
    Buffalo     3
    
    Boring game after the first quarter (Washington ahead, defense
    dominating)
    
    Kev
    

    Bravo JD.
    
    Buffalo 24 - Washington 17 and it will be pretty boring
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Final.. 37 24... The Redskins... Not a close game..
    Kelly throws 4 INT's...
    
    REK

         Congratulations Washington and their fans! Washington was by far the
better team and deserved to win. Buffalo was bushwhacked by the Ref's. IMO it
was a very poorly officiated game. In the first half alone I can remember 3
clearly incorrect calls that went against Buffalo but even with that the Bills
were not as good as the Redskins were this year.

         It's too bad the game wasn't closer as it would have been more
exciting like last years was. The refereeing job also spoiled the game somewhat
for me. It's too bad some of the calls against Buffalo were so blatantly called
incorrectly. Oh well that's the way it goes. Washington executed on Offense and 
Defense more efficiently than the Bills did and that is what won the game for 
them. It is going to be a real tough thing for Buffalo to deal with now. The
Vikings and the Broncos were the only teams up until Sunday that had lost back
to back Superbowls. Now Buffalo has thrown it's hat into the ring and it may
snowball on them just the way it has for the other two teams. Someday one of
these teams will break that but right now Buffalo must feel like a jinxed
team forever locked into a horse race destined to finish in a place position.

         Here are a few feelings I had during the just about 4 hour yawning
period:

The Officiating was terrible. One of the worst all time jobs I have seen done
in the Superbowl.

I expected better things from Buffalo. They were very mediocre and
disappointing.

Buffalo had too many turnovers. Kelly screwed up too many times. He was
panicing out there.

Best player  :  Rypien, made the plays that Kelly couldn't.
Best play    :  The 1st onside kick by Buffalo, It was played perfectly...one
                    of the few times Buffalo executed well all day.
Best Drive   :  Middle of the 3rd Quarter by Washington, Buffalo was trying to
                    make a come back and that drive essentially put the game
                    away for good.
Best Team    :  Need we say more! Washington dominated both sides of the ball.
                    Definitely the superior team!
Best screw up:  Officials! The no interference call when Andre Reed was hit in
                    the head before the ball got there. That's one of the worst
                    I've ever seen in a Superbowl game!

And finally.....Best COMMERCIAL! Couldn't let this one go!:

                Nike and their "Hare Jordan"!! Too funny. I was laughing for
                     awhile after that one. It was more entertaining than the
                     game.

                                                       Night Flier   ~~v~~
                                             

    Thank you Andre Reed, for throwing your helmet and getting a 15-year
    unsportsmanlike conduct penalty to knock the Bills out of FG range just
    before halftime.  This kept it a 17-0 halftime score, and enabled the
    Washington 7/Buffalo 0 I had in a pool to stand up.  Andre Reed, my
    new favorite NFL player.  :-)
    
    
    py ($100 richer as a result)

 but one has to wonder where was MAGIC JOHNSON? I mean he is a spokesman for
 Pepsi..Oh The shame. Like Flyer said Skins cut and dry were the better team.
 It sure is easier though to play defense when they let you hit em. I've been
 saying all year the D-Backs are allowed to much freedom and yesterday it 
 spoiled the game...

 how about the motif? alot nicer then other graphics they've used...

 and of course I was a field goal away from the cash but when they brought
 out the sticks and ther Skins made the first it was thanks for the contribution 
 Mike.

 I'd have given Monk the MVP he set the tone and of course 12 yrs in so 
 for sentimental reasons as well..

 How can Michael Irvin make Daryl Green look GREEN but others can't? Reed's
 as big right?

 mike

    Mike, I was wondering the same thing about Michael Irvin vs. Darrel
    Green.  Irvin OWNED Green when Dallas played the Skins.  I kept looking
    for the Bills to exploit Green, but it never happened.  Dallas kept
    throwing quick slants to Irvin and with his size, he simply dominated
    Green.  I don't remember Buffalo throwing any quick slants.
    
    WILDCAT

    How did they make that Budweiser comercial with the little players
    running around with the bottle cap? I mean running around the bar top,
    up the guy's sleeve and then back into the TV?
    
    Incredible..... simply incredible!!!!!
    
    BTW, NOW I know what all the broo hah was about with the new Pepsi
    can.   She can party with me *ANYTIME BABY*!!!!!!!!
    
    I remain,
    in love,
    Kev
    

    Well, I had an interesting time watching the thing.  And the outcome
    was as I had expected but wasn't rooting for - Washington won big.  A
    couple of times it looked like Buffalo might pull out the miracle,
    but....
    
    I wish we had seen more of the downfield coverage.  Kelly just wasn't
    with it - looked like the Kelly who played against the Pats (and lost)
    rather than the dominating guy who has played against other teams.  
    
    At half-time we switched over to Fox, and I haven't laughed that hard
    in a long, long time.  It's the first time I've seen the In Living
    Color crew.
    
    Did a running vote on ad campaigns, which was more competitive than the
    game.  :-)  Our final top three -- Hare Jordan, Bud Bowl, and the
    MacDonald's ad with the little kids.  Pepsi came in a distant 4th.
    
    A&W

    
    Completely in the spirit of their whining behavior all week long, I 
    thought there was too much griping about the officiating on the part of 
    the Bills and they totally lost composure (and sure as heck didn't
    regain it when they came out after halftime-- bang, first play,
    interception to the two-yard line).  The Redskin DBs were anticipating
    the plays and belting the Bills' wideouts around, and in a few
    instances arrived maybe a split second early, but mostly it looked like
    aggressive defense to me.  Even the play where Reed threw his helmet the
    defender had a clear shot at the ball, a better shot than Reed, leaped
    over him (and yes, took Reed out with his lower body in the process) and 
    had both hands on the ball.  If an offensive player does that in going 
    for a ball thrown into heavy coverage; it's never called.  I'm glad the 
    officials let stuff like that go (and they made some of it up to the 
    Bills anyway on a pretty lame interference call on James Lofton where 
    Lofton had given up on yet another lousy Jim Kelly pass, came back to 
    break the play up, had the ball hit him in the side yet still drew the 
    call). 
    
    I'll give the officials credit for another thing, too.  Except for that
    opening kickoff screw-up, with instant replay they made their decisions
    quickly and got the ball back in play.  Maybe they realized that it
    might be their last shot with the thing.
    
    Jim Kelly, even in spite of the rush that was put on him, looked
    terrible.  The first long interception by Green was a ball put
    completely up for grabs, the interception by Gouveia was another
    (although Kelly was pressured heavily on that play), and in the play 
    I mentioned above James Lofton was ten yards in the clear with open
    field to the end zone and Kelly still couldn't hit him on a medium 
    range throw.  Come to think of it, after a brilliant regular season, 
    Kelly didn't play well at all in any of the three playoff games.  
    What happened?
    
    glenn
    

The McDonald's commercial was pretty good, too.   

Best part was when the dad/coach was trying to give a Vince Lombardi speech 
and one of the little tykes cried out ... "Hey, look, a grasshopper !!!" 
and the other kids all jumped off the bench to get a better look.

Bob Hunt 

    Glen, I think you are wrong about Reed's play. He was hammered before
    the ball was even there. Reed never had a chance to go for the ball.
    
    REK

    Glenn-
    
    Agreee with you.  I loved the defense - and felt the Bills whined way
    too much.  Thurman Thomas showboated the best during warmups - but was
    iced by the Skins defense.  Bills didn't capitalize early - and it
    killed them.
    
    When momentum is in the defenses' favor, the no-huddle doesn't do
    anythng for you.  The Bills offense went in the tank against Denver and
    ever recovered.
    
    Gibbs did a great job - using the no-huddle had to surprise the Bills.
    
    JD

    Andre Reed can't take a hit.  He got hammered by the Jints  lst year
    and disappeared.  He got hammered this year.  He's used to having a
    free reign.  I don't think it was that outrageous a call.  
    
    JD

    Where's T in here saying that if Big Bad Jim hadn't been injured, the
    Bills would have won?

    
    
    		is marv levy pat paulsons long lost brother?

    I wanted the Bills to win, but most of that emotion was taken away
    from me when I saw Thurman Thomas strutting, and the Skins' doing
    Thumbs up during the intros.  Very classy.  Hard to root against
    a gesture like that when you're a Lions fan.  
    
    Buffalo just got their head handed to them.  Could have been a lot
    worse, and also makes me think of the Lions as a team who lost
    to the best team in the league in  the championship game, rather
    than a team who looked bad in it.
    
    Masterlock spent their whole advertising budget for THAT?
    I thought the Diet Pepsi ad could have been better.  I liked the
    Reebok ads too until they had the "I have these secret shoes and he
    doesn't.." ad.

>       -< Washington scores one for steady, reliable professionalism... >-
    
You hardly knew they were playing in this game by listening to the stories all
week.  The Bills almost acted like they hadn't done this before with acts like 
Thomas' stupid strut onto the field during player introductions.  Maybe this 
will transform them back into the 'Bickering Bills'.

>    Even the play where Reed threw his helmet the
>    defender had a clear shot at the ball, a better shot than Reed, leaped
>    over him (and yes, took Reed out with his lower body in the process) 

This was a good non-call IMO.  Someone should tell Reed there's a rule known as
'going for the ball.'  But the funniest part of this play was when Marshall (or
whoever the Washington defensive player was) got the attention of the official
and pointed out that cry-boy Reed just threw his helmet.  "Hey ref, check this
out!"  I was rollward.

>    officials let stuff like that go (and they made some of it up to the 
>    Bills anyway on a pretty lame interference call on James Lofton where 
>    Lofton had given up on yet another lousy Jim Kelly pass, came back to 
>    break the play up, had the ball hit him in the side yet still drew the 
>    call). 

If you're talking about the one that gave the Bills first-and-goal in the 3rd
quarter I agree.  The defender turned around in time to go for a ball that
was terribly underthrown.  But with that play eventually making it 24-10, the 
Bills were definitely back in it with a defensive stop.  But the Redskins came
through with a championship drive that all-but iced it.  That Rypien pass to 
Clark was a thing of beauty.

The replay reversal that took away Washington's TD in the first quarter was a 
bad call.  Couldn't those idiots in the booth see that Monk was pushed after
his first foot was down???  

The Redskins are so much better than Luckalo that they only came away with 3
points on 3 possessions inside the Bill 20 but still won handily.    
 
The Bills are a bunch of arrogant crybabies, and (needless to say) I'm 
very happy that the Redskins put them in their place.

Congrats Skins!  It's good to see the trophy go to a group of classy 
professionals (and there was only ONE group of classy professionals on the 
field yesterday).


Joe

    I don't think the game was, as a whole, badly officiated.  The one
    missed call was the pass interference, in my opinion.  I also think the
    NFL would be a lot better off with 15 Jerry Markbreits refereeing. 
    He's clear, concise and in control.  Whoever was the replay official
    was very fast yesterday and that's the way it should be.  I believe
    Markbreit is head and shoulders above the rest of the referees in the
    NFL now that Jim Tunney and Jerry Seeman have retired.
    
    I was rooting for the Bills yesterday - not because I especially like
    the Bills, but because they're an old AFL team and because the other
    person who I know best on another team (other than Jon Berger of the
    Giants) is Denny Lynch, PR Director of the Bills.  He was with the
    Patriots when I first started, he's been a friend over the years and I
    felt really bad for him when Thurman Thomas started playing his games
    earlier in the week.  A lot of what I thought for the Bills went away
    when he started doing that, his struttin during the intros and then
    Andre Reed spiking his helmet.
    
    It wouldn't have mattered what offense the Bills used yesterday, I have
    the feeling the Redskins would have stuffed it.  Buffalo was weak on
    defense all year and it showed yesterday.
    
    I gained an awful lot of admiration for the way Jim Kelly hung in there
    yesterday.  
    
    John

    On Those Reebok ads.  I figure that most folks don't know who Dan
    O'brien or Dave Johnson are - and that Reebok is advertising Barcelona
    as a showdown between the two.  
    
    O'Brien was ranked #1 in the world in the decathlon this year,
    recording the top-ranking score(8844 point, wind-aided) and won the
    wWorld Champioships.  Dave Johson is #2 in the US - but was ranked #8
    in the world.  Mike Smith of Canada was #2, Christian Schenk of Germany
    #3, and Christian Plaziat (france), Robert Zmelik (Czech), Petri
    Keskitalo (Finaland) and Mikhail Medved (Dan'l' Brother from AIC).
    
    Johnson could do it - but Reebok is no doubt banking on an uniformed
    public to buy the O'Brien vs. Johnson crap.
    
    JD

    	RE: McDonald's commercial
    
    	Coach gives the play to the kid.
    	"Do you understand?" Little boy shakes his head "no."
    	"Give the ball to Mike and tell him to run towards
    	 his Dad."
    
    	Same commercial - two dads standing side-bt-side
    	making a goalpost for the kick.
    
    	The Vince Lombardi speech was funny. "Hey, look, a grasshopper."
    
    	I was rolling.
    
    	Scott

>The replay reversal that took away Washington's TD in the first quarter was a 
>bad call.  Couldn't those idiots in the booth see that Monk was pushed after
>his first foot was down???  

I thought the rule was that you can only be pushed out of bounds and still get 
the reception if BOTH feet have not touched.  That is to say, once one foot 
touches the ground the other has to get down no matter what.  If he was pushed 
after his first foot hit then it doesn't matter, he's out of bounds.  Is this 
right?

But, I still have a problem with the call.  The replay showed his heel came 
down in the end zone.  At that moment, it's a TD.  I mean, guys drags their 
toes all the time, i.e. the toe hits and the rest of the foot is O.B. but still 
is rules a reception. But if the heel comes down in bounds first, then the toe 
hits out of bounds, the play is rules out of bounds.  Perhaps this is 
splitting hairs, but it doesn't seem consistant.  If Monk had smaller feet, then
it would have been a TD  8^)

Scott

    
    
    Regarding the touchdown reversal by Art Monk:
    
    It was the correct call.
    
    Yes he was pushed, but the rule states if BOTH feet are in the air and 
    the player (in the opinion of the official) would have come down 
    in-bounds it is a catch.    However if one foot is on the ground the 
    receiver can be pushed out.   Supposedly the receiver has some
    control at this point.   Monk's foot clearly touched down and then was 
    pushed out. 
        
    
    

    Best ad was the Hare Jordan one.
    
    Was definitely rooting for the Bills, I loathe the Redskins almost as
    much as I do the Cowbows. Some good friends are Redskins fanatics and
    well  the idea of having to put up with them is just too much to think
    about.
    
    Except for the non-call on interference it was a well officiated game.
    In addition if the call were made and Buffal had scored a TD Bills
    might have covered the 7 point spread.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

Ads:

Loved the Bud ad with the football guys coming out of the magazing and onto
the bar.  too cool.

Also liked the Bud ad with the running Clydesdales.  Love to watch those
big fellas run with the wind.

The ONLY parts of the Pepsi add I liked were Shannen Dougherty, and Yogi
Berra.  Was the bearded hippie guy Bruce Dern?

The new Bud Bowl ads were a refreshing (much needed too) wrinkle from 
the last years' stuff.....

Hare Jordan had me rolling.  I've always LOVED Bugs Bunny!


Game:

Was ok.  Watched in a very clinical aspect.  By the 4th quarter the only
real enjoyment was listening to Madden laugh about Pettibone's Holster, and
the excellent block on the goal line that "cleared sinuses"....

Hey, was that blimp inside neat or what?



'SAw

> The ONLY parts of the Pepsi add I liked were Shannen Dougherty, and Yogi
> Berra.  Was the bearded hippie guy Bruce Dern?

It was Cheech or Chong.  One of the two.  I always get the two confused...

	Bob 

    Great win by the 'Skins.
    Did anyone else git the feeling that Kelly was gaggin' out there, and
    didn't loosen until the game was out of reach (37-10).
    BTW, the non-call agin Reed was horrible, IMO. Definite pass
    interference. Cain't go through someone as the defender did even if
    he has as much right to the ball as the receiver. Reed was decked
    before the ball got there.
    
    Well we already got our picks for next year: Men On Football are 
    looking fer a Packers-Oilers matchup... With guest commentaries by
    Bob Griese and Dick Butkus. Too much!
    
    MikeL
    
    P.S. Thank God Denver wasn't there!!
    8^)
    
    

     A Great effort by the Skins, they played above the league all year,
    and showed an extream amount of class Before, During and After the
    game. Joe Gibbs has to rank, as one of the all time great coaches. He
    was very classy when Lesley Vissor tried to bait him about his
    future plans. The LB's and DB's set the tone early, the Bills receivers were
    hearing footsteps all day. Good to see Ernest Byner atone for his
    fumble back with the Browns that cost them  a trip to the SB.
    
    You gotta Love Madden, his chit chat with Terry Bradshaw about there
    SB stories was great. When he talked about Freddie Biletnicoff (SP?)
    pregame butterflies, the whole Raider team knew it was game time or
    that someone was just hallering for "EARLLLLL".
    
    
    Great Season Skins.
    
    
    Mike
    
      

    
     Best Ad...		Hare Jordon
    
     MVP Washington	Zebras (very poorly officiated)
    			o Uncalled Pass Int on several plays.
    			o Kelly roughed many times,  again uncalled.
    			o Big time holding in `skin o-line,  again uncalled.
    			o Chop block on Bruce Smith...  
    			o Defnesive holding in `Skin secondary all day long.
    
    Best Block		One of the Bills on Thermal's TD run
    
    Most Over Rated	Thermal Thomas
    
    Worst game plan	Bill's  they were out of the strongest part of
    			their game all day.
    
     This game pretty much sucked.  another NFC hatchet job on a clearly
    better team.  
    
    BG

    re: Chop block on Bruce Smith
    
    Same technique Brad Baxter used to take Jerry Ball out for the year.
    It's legal, but not suggested, on running plays.  The league should
    look into it, but it's (in theory) a legal block.

    RE: .212
    
    John Madden is great
    
    His comment on Pettibone, "He leads the league in stuff hanging"
    
    My date was in tears after that comment

    My girlfriend asked if he'd be in a Slim-Fast ad after this...

    Congrats to the Redskin fans! Looked like somebody put the Bronco
    players in Bills uniforms. 
    
    Carlos

    Jam It Carlos...  The "Poor Bill's" had done to them what has been
    to the Donks in their Superbowl appearances...  The ZEBRAS Robbed
    `em of a deserved victory.
    
    
    BG
    

    Chop Blocking,
    These guys go to Air Force?? 8^)
    
    Man, Pettibon has sure changed since his playing days. Sure can
    coach,tho.
    
    MikeL
    

      I think there were 2-3 interferences that weren't called!!  The one
    were the guy went over REeds back was the worst.  The worst part of
    that 15 yard penalty is the ref didn't see reed throw his helmet,  but
    yet he called the penalty?  Yes he deserved the call,  but how can one
    judge something that wasn't seen?
    
      The score should have been alot worse (in luckalos case).  Bills
    dodged alot of bullits early.  The 1 td by Monk was justifiably
    reversed!
    
      It was good to see the Bills loud mouth players put in their place. 
    I feel sorry for the non-loud mouth players.  Kelly did the great choke
    job!  He was scared!
    
      The lines for the skins won this game IMO.  The skins OL was just to
    big and dominating for the bills defense!
    
      Give credit for a great coaching job from Gibbs & staff!
    
      The Bills won't return next year.  The skins might.
    
    	Tim

    
    I just LOVE being a native Washingtonian today.
    
    'ren
    
    
    P.S. Yo Walt, that note back there... thanks for the update. Sometimes
    I have to see it in writing.

    Bills could very well return. They are still the best team in the AFC,
    should almost certainly win the East and possibly have home field
    throughout the playoffs. Wouldn't surprise me if they did make it back.
    They could then become the first team to lose 3 SB's in a row.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Get out of here, you don't know anything about sports (ha ha...)

    .226 was in reference to .224, not .225...
    
    I think it's too early to tell for who will be back next year.  If
    a deal like Steve Young for Barry Word or Harvey Williams went through,
    I'd like the Chiefs chances.  They have a tough defense, and have some
    runners but need a new QB I think...

    
    The Bills didn't deserve any such victory.   The game was not as close
    as the score indicated.   The Bills were at a total loss over how to
    handle the Redskin defensive pressure.   Kelly winged up several
    desparation passes that deserved to be intercepted and they were.  
    Thurman Thomas wasn't even in the game and dropped one pass because he
    was tuning upfield before the pass was caught.   
    
    The Redskin defense reminded me of the Bears in 85/86.  The Bills are
    not as bad as they showed but just couldn't handle it and BLAMing the 
    zebras is not cool.
    
    Pat  (an impartial viewer of the game who is patiently waiting for the
    Pack to return to the Super Bowl and claim the Lombardi trophy).
    

    So will the NFC East winners start mailing in their SB victories?  Even
    Joe Bugel said last week that the NFC East winner has to go thru hell
    during the season and is the best prepared team to take it all.
    
    Looks like the AFC won't win another SB until the Raiders get back in
    there.  They're the only ones, in the AFC, that can play that 
    smash-mouth football.

    
    > Looks like the AFC won't win another SB until the Raiders get back in
    > there.  They're the only ones, in the AFC, that can play that 
    > smash-mouth football.
    
    Since when?  I haven't seen the Raiders smash anything but their heads
    against the wall in years...
    
    glenn
    

 Forget "smash mouth" football or whatever style you wanna call it.  
 
 *Fact* is that the NFC East is the best division in pro football.   The
 Skins, Jints, Iggles, and now the Pokes are all among the league's elite.
 
 Bob Hunt

    Mac -
    
    Once again, I haven't called the no-huddle wimpy.  Most of the time, if
    you noticed, the SKins didn't snap the ball until there was less than
    10 seconds left on the clock - with the no huddle.  Not exactly real
    hurry up.
    
    JD
    
    General:
    
    This may have been Buffalo's swan song.  ALl that talent.  Relatively
    easy division.  They've been playing on top for about 5 season now,
    right?   However with the AFC west being fairly weak, they should still
    win the division.
    
    The NFC east has won 4 of the last 6 super bowls.  Easily the best
    division in football.   Compare it to the AFC East.  OR Central.  Only
    the West comes even a little close.
    
    I also love all the crying and whining about officiating.  The
    officials didn't beat the Bills.  The Skins beat the Bills.  The Skins
    had everything go wrong early - and instead of boo-hooing they sucked
    it up and played football.  The Bills sulked and whined and packed it
    in until it was too late.  
    
    Thier secondary is suspect.  
    
    Losing Shane Conlan early hurt - no doubt about it.  BUt they just
    couldn't stop the Skins when they had to stop the Skins.
    
    Heck, the Skins had a TD reversed, flubbed a FG, chucked an INT inside 
    the Bills 20 and had what, 3 holding calls at crucial times - and
    overcame them all.  They had Darryl Green go out.  Johnson go out. 
    Coleman.  Nothing phased them.  
    
    JD

    ...on the other hand, a good team would've won 51-24.  

    Mac - 
    
    Now the Eagles didn't, nor did the Giants.  However, it isn't that much
    of a stretch of the imagination to figure those teams would have made
    the playoffs playing in the AFC - and the 49ers to boot.  The Jets were
    a horrible 8-8 and made the playoffs!   THe mighty Oilers went 1-3 vs.
    the NFC East.  (That's a .250 winning %, FWIW.)
    
    The AFC Central is the worst division in football.  The AFC East is the
    second worst.   Easily.
    
    JD

    
    What was the over/under on the number of times John Madden would say
    "Boom"?  I had a bet riding that it would get to four digits.
    
    Seriously, I thoroughly enjoyed the game with a most enthusiastic
    Redskins fan who also happens to be my best buddy.  Cold beverages,
    pistachio nuts, my soon-to-be-world-famous honey and hickory BBQ'd
    chicken wings, a pile of shrimp iced down.  It's a wonderful life.
    
    Dickstah
    

    
>    I also love all the crying and whining about officiating.  The
>    officials didn't beat the Bills.  The Skins beat the Bills.  The Skins
>    had everything go wrong early - and instead of boo-hooing they sucked
>    it up and played football.  The Bills sulked and whined and packed it
>    in until it was too late.  
  
    Exactly.
      
>    Heck, the Skins had a TD reversed, flubbed a FG, chucked an INT inside 
>    the Bills 20 and had what, 3 holding calls at crucial times - and
>    overcame them all.  They had Darryl Green go out.  Johnson go out. 
>    Coleman.  Nothing phased them.  
    
    Exactly.
    
>                   -< should've scored at least 2 more TDs >-
>    ...on the other hand, a good team would've won 51-24.  
    
    So what??  Anybody who watched this game saw that this game wasn't
    nearly as close as the final 13-point deficit.  Besides, the Giants'
    trophy from their 1-point victory last year is just as shiny as
    SF's from their 45-point two years ago.
    
    RE: best division
    Come on, this isn't even worth arguing over.  NFC East is clearly the
    best division in football these days.
    
    
    Joe

    
    I'm happy for one guy today. If any of you watched the Trophy
    presentation you saw the GM for the redSkins on the podium. His name is
    Charlie Casserly and he used to coach for my high school, Minnechaug
    Regional in Wilbraham, Ma (not Springfield as the AP newsstories so
    conveniantly screwed up).
    
    After a few years of coaching high school ball he decided to try
    something different so he wrote to all the NFL clubs asking for a job.
    The Patriots and the Redskins gave him offers. So with a car with 125k
    on it and no much else he headed down to D.C. where he started out as
    an intern. He moved up to scout and then assistant GM and finally GM.
    He was given a good thing by Bobby Bethard and he done very well in
    improving it. Even though he works for a racist,bigoted jerk I'm happy
    for Charlie Casserly....
    
    oh yeah...
    
    The game sucked, the commercials sucked, Jim Kelly's passes all looked
    like lobs, the Redskins recievers deserve more publicity and Joe Gibbs
    is the best coach in the NFL when he has 2 weeks to prepare for an
    opponent.
    
    Metz
    

    
    > Losing Shane Conlan early hurt - no doubt about it.  BUt they just
    > couldn't stop the Skins when they had to stop the Skins.
    
    That other Penn State inside linebacker-- Andre Collins, #55, was 
    immense.  He was all over the place, pressuring Kelly (he forced the 
    INT to open the second half), trapping ballcarriers in the backfield, 
    just making big plays in general.  Reminded me of the game against 
    Pitt in 1989 where he was just everywhere, sideline to sideline, 
    playing both the run and pass tough (I guess the Redskins like him
    blitzing a lot rather than dropping back).  I expect to see this 
    "forgotten" 'backer from LBU in the Pro Bowl soon...
    
    glenn
    
     
                

    
    I think you'll see the NFC continue to dominate the AFC for at least
    the next 5 years.
    
    Buffalo is the class of the AFC. In fact they haven't really had much
    competition in the past 2 years. Their defense is overrated because of
    who they play against. I don't see any up and coming teams in the AFC.
    The only teams I see improving dramatically in the next year are San
    diego and possibly the Jets. Buffalo will probably become the bickering
    bills again, Houston is getting old and KC never seems to be able to
    reach the next plateau (plus they need a QB). The Raiders will take at
    least 2 years to get Marinovich ready. Miami is always decent but never
    great.
    
    The NFC has several teams that are up and coming to take the place of
    the teams on a doward spiral, The Cowboys and Lions are legit, The
    Eagles will be back, the Falcons and Saints are both solid teams. The
    49ers still have a few years left. The Giants are on a downward spiral
    but still decent. The Bears have been slowly spiraling downward for a
    few years.
    
    I think the nFC will continue to widen it's gap over the AFC for at
    least 5 more years. 
    
Metz

    There's something I forgot to bring up earlier and no one else has
    brought up: Why was the crowd so pro-Buffalo?  This made no sense to
    me.  Here's an NFC town, and you'd think they'd want more company with
    Denver and their Vikings as teams who have lost 2 straight big ones.
    
    Okay, so most of the crowd is from out of town.  I would think the
    Redskins are up there as a team with one of the best national
    followings right below the group of Dallas, Raiders, and 49ers.  Plus,
    the Redskin fans have been all but proven to be the league's best.
    
    I just don't get it.
    
    
    Joe
                                   

	
  	  I'm surprised no one has mentioned the game plan that Marv pulled
	out of his a*s before kickoff.  And his inability to hold his
	team together before the big game.  And the internal strife that allows
	Buffalo to fall apart consistently.  And..........

	IMHO If I'm a Buffalo fan (and I'm not) Levy has got to go.....

	/Cap'n Quad

Speaking of Marv, starting Ken Davis really shook up the Skins...hahaa

    The Skins are also probably a team that lots of people love to hate.
    
    re: non-playoff teams Eagles and 49ers were playing better at the end
    of the season than just about anybody else. If anyone was going to beat
    the 'Skins it would have been one of those teams. SF with a healthy
    Montana next year could be devastating.
    
    AFC: Denver could be in again next year. But they will need home field
    advantage. But they play Seattle, KC, Raiders while Buffalo plays in an
    easier division that could be real tough to do.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    RE:.200   
    > Agreee with you.  I loved the defense - and felt the Bills whined way
    > too much.  Thurman Thomas showboated the best during warmups - but was
    > iced by the Skins defense. 
        
    JD,
    
    Chris Berman of ESPN made the comment that Thurman Thomas efforts
    during the intoductions would be about as much motion he would get
    into all day. [13 yards vs Kelly's16]
    
    Edwin

      Thermal lost his helmet during the 1st 2 offensive plays for the
    bills,  thats why he wasn't in.  Whatta dumbsh$%!!!!
    
      NFC east is the best right now.   The only thing that kils me is "if
    the eagles or whatever team from the NFC was in the AFC,  then the AFC
    wwould be even worse and those "jumped" NFC teams would be unstoppable
    (or something to that effect)".
    
      I think all that kind of talk is BS!   Who is to say if some of these
    NFC teams were in the AFC that their coaches and philosophies would be
    the same as they are today?  You don't know!
    
        Tim 

    Anybody esle notice during the lockerroom interviews that Lesley
    Visser has GREAT legs?
    
    WOW!!!
    
    I remain,
    in love 2x,
    Kev
    

    with her taste in men, even Jake has a shot!

    I have to disagree with some of y'all ... I was rooting for Washington,
    but the offciating still stunk. The pass interference that wasn't
    called against Reed - if called, would have made it 1st and goal at the 7. 
    Instead, (after the pompus flag by the ref) the Bills have to punt ....
    
    Doc

    Best hit of game :
    
    Carwell Gardner on Andre Collins, on Buffalo TD run. He blasted his
    butt almost out of the end zone !

    They had to call that helmet throwning though.  You can't show up a
    ref like that.  There should have been a flag for the interference,
    but you can't take yourself out of FG range like that by throwing
    tantrums right next to the ref.

    
    >>     <<< Note 232.249 by FRETZ::HEISER "imagination > knowledge" >>>

    >>with her taste in men, even Jake has a shot!
    
    Chuck U. Farley, go back off in your own jack yard!!!!
    
    (8^)*
    
    JaKe
    

    well she's married to Dick Stockton.  

    
    >>             -< Have Jake & Dick ever been seen together? >-
    
    
    And Dick Stockton was a sportscaster here in Pittsburgh just before he
    moved up to CBS.
    
    JaKe
    
    

I got a kick out of Levy mouthing off to the ref on the way into the 
lockerroom at half time.

You could clearly lip-read:

	You were bought.


Now, I might have thought that if it had been Washington getting jobbed,
because John Gotti, the noted gangster on trial here in the Nutmeg State
assured everyone that Buffalo would cover the spread....


I agree that the NFC East is the best division in football right now.
Be interesting to see what happens over the next couple of years....


'Saw

 and she's just a tiny little thing too Kev...got to see her up close and
 personal at the Big East tournment last year. Needless to say I wouldn't
 mind being in Dick's place for a few nights....

 ;^)

    Joe C.,
    
    One possible explanation for the ton of Bills' fans is that they
    send a formidable caravan to "away" games, at least out East. I've
    gone to a couple of Buffalo-New England games here in Mass. and I
    cain tell you, that quite a few make the long trek from Buffalo.
    Looks pretty impressive as busload after camper after busload pull 
    into the parking lot. And man can they party!!. Possibly the Midwest
    tollroads saw a caravan of loony Bill fans on the way to Minny.
    
    MikeL
    

    
    I'm tellin' ya, the Washington media was all over this business of Jack
    Kent Cooke stiffing his season-ticket holders by giving them the
    minimum allotment.  The real hog-worshippers were left at home and a
    crew of high-rolling sycophantic VIP Cooke-worshippers took their
    place...                                  
    
    glenn
    

    Other than the Giants fans, the only out-of-town team that brings any
    fans to New England every year is the Bills.  We've just never
    developed any sort of rivalry with the Jets which is kind of surprising
    given that the two cities are so close.  I see very few Jets fans here
    and almost no Patriots fans there (and I've been to the game in New
    York the lasted 4 years).
    
    John

 Paper here yesterday said that Thurman Thomas missed the first two plays
 of the game because he had misplaced his helmet on the sidelines.   That's
 why Kenneth Davis was in there.
 
 Bob Hunt

>    Other than the Giants fans, the only out-of-town team that brings any
>    fans to New England every year is the Bills.  We've just never
>    developed any sort of rivalry with the Jets which is kind of surprising
>    given that the two cities are so close.  I see very few Jets fans here
>    and almost no Patriots fans there (and I've been to the game in New
>    York the lasted 4 years).
    
Well, I know that it is very, very difficult to get a Giants ticket
in the Meadowlands, which is why I like to see them play in Foxboro.

My brother once tried to get Giants-Raiders tickets, and it was over
$120 per, from a ticket service!  The seats weren't that great either.

I don't know if it is the same with the Jets, but if it is that might
account for not many NE fans going there. 

I think (and this is a blatant guess) that there are many more Giants
fans in THIS area (CT, Western Mass) than Jets fans, and that perhaps
the Jets fans are farther south and don't want to make the trip to
Foxboro.....


Just a guess, though,
'Saw

>
> Paper here yesterday said that Thurman Thomas missed the first two plays
> of the game because he had misplaced his helmet on the sidelines.   That's
> why Kenneth Davis was in there.
 
Yes.  It was under the bench of all places!


I can just see him...


	Comes out, does the crab dance, and then stows his helmet.

	Spends the next 15 minutes planning his End Zone dances for
	all the TDs he's gonna score on National TV.

	Games starts:  "now where did I leave that helmet????"



heh heh heh......

Personally, I think there were two reasons why the Skins won.


First, they dominated the line of scrimmage.  The Hogs are certainly
impressive, and when your offensive line is doing the job like they
were, it's easy to win.

Second, Buffalo could not handle the blitz.  Couple that with Kelly
having a horrid day, and you get a big Washington win....


Offensive Lineman are my FAVORITE guys.  I just wished that Madden
had chosen some Guards, instead of all those tackles....


8^)

'Saw

    Jets tickets are just as hard to get as Giants tickets as they're both
    virtually sold out on a season ticket basis.
    
    Prior to the Jets moving from Shea to Jersey, the basis of their fandom
    was always Queens, Brooklyn and Long Island.  The Giants had Manhattan,
    Westchester County, Connecticut and New Jersey (or so it seemed to me). 
    Now, it seems like the Jets are virtually orphans in their own home. 
    All their games are essentially road games and it's certainly a long
    trek from their base at Hofstra (Hempstead, on Long Island) to Giants
    Stadium (where even there they have sort of second class
    accomodations).
    
    John

    John -
    
    And when the Jets were in Shea, tickets were pretty easy to come by.
    My brother-in-law was a Jets fan - so we'd go to the Jints  games using
    my Dad's season tickets, and then the next week head down to Shea and
    buy tickets.
    
    Shea was an absolute zoo.  THe 'security' guards did nothing to stop
    folks bringin in containers.  One game, these guys brought in a case of
    beer (cans) and just drank them and stacked them up in the aisle behind
    them.  The security did nothing.   We usually bought tickets way up
    high in the end zone, and they walked down to the end of field level
    and stood there and watched the games.  
    
    It was always an interest contrast to see the two stadiums
    (Meadowlands and Shea) and the fans that attended.  The Jets had a much
    younger average age to the fans.   The Giants fans were older, and more
    of a family - since many had had season tickets for years and years.
    
    JD

    I've never been to a Giants game in Giants Stadium.  I do expect to go
    to one nexted August, but that's a working trip and not a fan trip.
    
    It's been a long time since I've sat in the stands at a Patriots game
    at Foxboro (1977 to be exact), but I've seen what the crowds are like. 
    I would put the Jets crowd as a young crowd now but surprisingly, not
    as rowdy as the Foxboro crowd.  Given the "bad reputation" of New York
    fans, it may surprise some people.  Oh, there's the high-octane
    tailgating, the guys with their shirts off in December, the incessant
    spelling of J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets and so on, but it's pretty mellow. 
    I felt perfectly safe cheering for the Patriots (unlike cheering for
    the Red Sox at Yankee Stadium) and I've never seen a fight in the 4
    games I've been to at the Meadowlands.
    
    I would like to go to the game against the Giants in New Jersey in 1993
    if we play each other down there during the regular season.
    
    John

    Well, lemme tale ya about what *I* saw in my ONE Jets game at the
    Meadowlands (I saw the Giants there a few times and their crowd is
    cool):
    
    * Two black adolescents beaten badly by 4 white guys.
    
    * The four white guys beaten to a hospital-ready bloody-state by
      two white weightlifter types as the crowd cheered and tossed beer
      on them.
    
    * Two guys fighting in the upper deck and finally given the beach ball
      treatment as they rolled down, fighting, towards the deck's front and
      the 75 foot drop beyond with the crowd cheering for a big fall and
      groaning in disappointment as the plexiglass stopped them.
    
    * About 20-30 fights overall.
    
    * Myself doused with beer on the foot ramp during halftime by some kids
      one level up (couldn't chase them cuz a brawl upramp from us left no
      way through without risking entering the fray.
    
    * Wardle instructing me to NOT wear any Orange & Blue (it was a Broncos
      game) and, when I showed up with my only stocking cap, a Broncos cap,
      forcing me to buy an overpriced $20 Giants cap and to keep the Broncos
      cap in my pocket where it wouldn't be seen.  He was totally serious,
      he didn't want to become involved in a fight.
    
    * Wardle instructing me in total seriousness to keep quiet and not cheer
      for the Broncos.  When John (Big Bad John) pulled one a his patented
      spectacular plays I lost it and pumped my fist and cheered.  Wardle,
      I and a few buddies spent the next five minutes dealing with some
      guys two rows up who were threatening to "kick your (i.e., my) ass."
      We invited them to come on down and have at it, they didn't.
    
    * My car smeared with picnic food stolen from a nearby car missing a
      driver's side window, and dozens of vandalized cars.
    
    Jets fans are scum.  
    
    MrT

    	Hey MrT(ofu), Wardle has a different version of the story. 
    You gonna call him a crook too?
    
    				/Don

    I never saw Jim Wardle steal anything, /Roach.  Being, for some
    twisted reason, a Jests fan, he might have viewed these things
    though rose-colored glasses, though.
    
    MrT

    	Mr T(iger lily), Jim tells a different story.  Were you one
    of the faceless mob who spit on rumble participants one tier down,
    or did you have a sinus problem that day?
    
    				/Don

The newest WWF Tag Team:

		The Lords of Loogie (MrT and Charles Barkley)


heh, heh, heh


'Saw

    Yeah, we could go up against some "smaller" men, three of 'em, say
    maybe Michael Milken, Ivan Boesky, and /Don Robichaud.
    
    MrT 

    	MorT, no way would I 'rassle you.  Once your tear ducts opened
    up we would be slipping and sliding all over the ring!
    
    				/Don

     I went to a Jests game with Jo* this past year.  They played the Fish.
    There were plenty of Fish fans to be seen and no fights.  I think that
    The Medowlands is the best stadium I've ever watch a football game in.
    Theres not a bad seat in the house from what I could see.  
    
    BG

    	Hey Big_Game, Jim showed me the Harley Davidson Jests Chapter
    that you got along so well with.  That girl with the tatoo of the
    cross and skull on her cheek was a real looker!
    
    				/Don

    /Roachy... do you *really* have the fine sentiments towards Bob 
    expressed in your new p_name?
    
    re 3
    
    It's true, then, that nobody in prison's guilty.  Quit your whining
    a pay off your debt (belatedly) like a main.
    
    MrT

    RE:.268
    
    JoJ Wardle--my kind of guy. He taught you well.
    
    RE:-1 "Dick Butkus,Bob Griese,Bob Knight?"
    
    Wasn't that the "punch line" to Men on Sports?
    
    Edwin
    

    Yeah ... I tailored it for our own MrT(imid) ...

    
     Yea,  Slasher...  She sure was a looker...  If I didn't have my 
    Gal with me I'd have fought those bikers to the finish for her.
    You well,  like the Stones said...  "You Can't Always Get What You Want"
    
    
    

    re: Reed's Helmet
    
    I always thought an official had to see the penalty to call it. From
    what I saw on Sunday, Wilbur Marshall called the penalty, not the bozo
    in the striped shirt.
    
    re: overall level of officiating in this game
    
    The Bills never got a chance to get into a flow either offensively or
    defensively. The Washington DBs were all over the receivers before the
    ball got there (I counted 5 uncalled pass interferences in the first
    half, after which I turned it off). The Washington OL "held" off the
    Bills DL during the duration of the game I watched. Washington was
    obviously the superior team, but the striped shirts could have made it
    a better game by calling it staight up. In some ways, I'm not so sure
    Levy's comment at halftime wasn't right.
    
    re: Overall Washington
    
    I would be amazed if they are as good next season. Rypien had a
    terrific year, but will still look like a stiff if he is pressured.
    Next season, I would think the NFL will be better prepared for the type
    of holding that the Washington OL does and they will spend alot of time
    walking backwards. At least I hope they will. To allow one team to get
    away with that stuff really gives them an unfair advantage and is
    dragging down the game.
    
    Dennis
    

    
        RE:-1 Once more for emphasis!
    
    
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    THE REDSKINS ARE THE BEST TEAM IN FOOTBALL.....
    
    Veeeery Gooooooood. ^;

    RE:.284    re: Reed's Helmet
    
    > I always thought an official had to see the penalty to call it. From
    > what I saw on Sunday, Wilbur Marshall called the penalty, not the bozo
    > in the striped shirt.
    
    On the ESPN Week-in-Review they showed a replay of the Reed helmet
    incident. The Official was within about two yards of Reed and when the
    helmet came to the ground he could see it. Plus I would suspect that
    Reed also had words to say.
    
    ESPN also mentioned and one could see Marv Levy saying to an Official
    "You have been bought!" 
        
    Edwin

    RE: SAPPy reply
    
    The official didn't see it and, as a result, shouldn't have called it.
    If you didn't see it happen, it didn't exist. The point of all of this,
    which seems to be lost on _some_ people, is the way that official could
    boot the pass interfernce call so badly, which happened right in front
    of him, and "see" the unsportsmanlike conduct, which happened behind
    his back. Maybe he's like my mother, and has eyes in the back of his
    head.  ;*)
    
    Dennis
    

    RE:.287 
    
    If you re-read my reply one official was right there within a yard or
    two. The CBS camera was focused on the other official.
    
    Your statement was as intelligent as the statement that Randall
    Cunningham worst days were better than Rypien's best.
    
    Love & Kisses,
    
    Edwin
    >  On the ESPN Week-in-Review they showed a replay of the Reed helmet
    > incident. The Official was within about two yards of Reed and when the
    > helmet came to the ground he could see it. Plus I would suspect that
    > Reed also had words to say.
    

    The ref was within a couple of yards of the incident.  If he didn't
    see it he must have heard it and Reed's tirade, there's no way someone
    that close wouldn't have put the noise the helmet hitting the ground
    made, a rolling helmet and Reed's tirade together and just take if
    as the word of the Skins...
    

    
    > The ref was within a couple of yards of the incident.  If he didn't
    > see it he must have heard it and Reed's tirade, there's no way someone
    > that close wouldn't have put the noise the helmet hitting the ground
    > made, a rolling helmet and Reed's tirade together and just take if
    > as the word of the Skins...
    
    Exactly.  There's no way the official could have *not* seen that Reed
    threw the helmet, even if he didn't catch him in the throwing motion.
    This whole string is ridiculous.  The Bills was whupped, and the
    officials had nothing to do with it...
    
    glenn
    

I think the NFL is losing it bigtime.

It was like Catholic school lasted night in the Pro Bowl.

They had a replay to see if there was a Pro Bowls rules violation,
and then there was a warning.

What next?

    
    >It was like Catholic school lasted night in the Pro Bowl.
    
    You mean the refs were cracking their knuckles with yardsticks 
    instead of assessing penalties?
    
    Did the girl fans have to sit on the opposite side of the field
    from the boy fans?
    
    Did the players have to go to confession if they tackled someone and 
    touched them in an impure spot?
    
    Dickstah
    

    
     Like I said...  Seems to me that the Superbowl is fixed.  I really
    don't believe that Marv's comment is to far from the truth.  I was
    talking to Uncle Hootsie the other day and he agrees...  Course, if
    the Raiders don't win every game Hoot calls the fix anyhow !!
    
    BG

    Can anyone confirm that the next Super Bowl is schedule to be held on
    31 January '93?
    
    Jim

    Yes, I can.  Regular season ends Christmas weekend.  First round of
    playoffs is Jan 2-3.  2nd round of playoffs is Jan 9-10.  Conference
    championship games are January 17, the week off is January 24, the
    Super Bowl is January 31 and the Pro Bowl (for those who care) is
    February 7.
    
    Note that the off-week would not have existed had the NFL gone forward
    with its plan to spread the 16 games over 18 weeks.  That plan was
    bagged due to the TV networks losing money.  If there'd been the 16
    games in 18 weeks, then the regular season would have ended the weekend
    of January 2-3, 1st round of playoffs Jan 9-10, 2nd round Jan 16-17 and
    Conference championship games January 24, with the Super Bowl still
    being January 31.
    
    John

    Woodie Time!!!!!!!
    
    You couch potatoes will be overjoyed to larn that the half-time show
    at the Sooper Bowl will star none other than.....
    
    
    
    ready?
    
    
    
    
    Michael Jackson!!!!!!  A manly man if there ever was one!!!!!  
    
    ISFH
    
    He gets :20 minutes!
    
    I remain,
    supressing a projectile hurl!
    Kev
    

    I just know if he's gonna wear his cup on the inside or the outside of
    his pants (assuming he needs one).
    
    p.s. Thank's for the confirmation of the SB date.
    
    Jim

	All this talk about the Super Bowl reminds me of the funniest
	moment in sports IMHO:

	It was during the introductions to the 1979 Super Bowl. (I'm not
	certain of the year, but it was the last one the Steelers won)
	Each player ran in front of the camera and intoduced himself. Going
	down the line they came to the intimidating Jack Lambert.

	Lambert with a toothless sneer says, "My name's Jack Lambert. Middle
	linebacker for the Pittsburgh Steelers from Buzzard's Breath, Wyoming."

	The camera, obviously a hand held model, starts shacking.  The 
	cameraman was laughing along with everyone else who is watching this.

	Lambert intensifies his sneer and says, "What's so funny? That's
	where I'm from."

	Instantly the camera is rock steady.

	Time for the cameraman to change his shorts.  I was still rolling
	on the floor laughing when they kicked off.

	Bill