Conference 7.286::sports_91

    Thanks for running the Bowl contest this year Joe!!!!!
    
    REK

 Joe,

	I'd like to offer an interesting twist if you thinkit won't be
 too much of a bother. Not only do you pick the winners but then you
 grade your picks from 1 to 15 or how ever many games there are. If you
 hit your number 1 pick you score 15 if you hit your 15 th pick you score
 1..

 mike

    Allright Joe,
    I knew you had ONE redeeming value!  Mucho 8^)'s
    Danke
    
    MikeL
    PS. Like yer idea Mikey. Aka Tone Loc "Less do it"
     

    And as is the usual policy for conference contests, please send you
    picks to Joe Contach at BSS::JCOTANCH.

>	I'd like to offer an interesting twist if you thinkit won't be
> too much of a bother. Not only do you pick the winners but then you
> grade your picks from 1 to 15 or how ever many games there are. If you
> hit your number 1 pick you score 15 if you hit your 15 th pick you score
> 1..

    I like this idea better too.  We still gonna use the spreads?  When 
    you send me your picks assign a point value on each game from 1 to 18.  
    You can only use each point value once (i.e. only one game worth 18
    points, one worth 17, etc. down to one worth 1 point).  Most total
    points wins.  Sound good?
    
    I'll enter my picks in this note so everyone knows I won't be cheating.  
    Of course, unless you guys trust me.  :^)
    
    
    Joe

    
    If we do use the point system, let's do it against the spreads.  
    It won't be too interesting if we have everyone putting down 18 
    on Florida-Notre Dame and the like...  ;-)
    
    glenn
    


    

    
    Another cheap shot. 8^)
    
    Et Tu Glenn?  Remember that Pittsburghese blowhard ?  rumor has it
    that he is wandering 'round Gainesville muttering " F$#%in Gators,
    are U in fer a Surprahze"
    
    MikeL
     

    Hey, the Gators' QB is down Lou is mad.  Look for Lou to cover the
    admittedly generous 6 point spread in the Sugar.
    
    Cain somebody post a listing a the bowls?
    
    MrT

    T,
    Look at Note 31.96
    

    
    Here's the official line we will use for the contest.
    
    
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Note 31.96                          The Line                            96 of 97
HBAHBA::HAAS "Mental Model"                          18 lines   3-DEC-1991 11:33
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California Raisin	Dec 14	Fresno St	14	Bowlgin Green	
Aloha			Dec 25	Stanford	3	Georgia Tech	
Blockbuster		Dec 28	Colorado	0	Alabama		
Independence		Dec 29	Georgia		8	Arkansas	
Gator			Dec 29	Virginia	1	Oklahoma	
Liberty			Dec 29	Mississippi St	9^	Air Force	
Holiday			Dec 30	Iowa		4	BYU		
Freedom			Dec 30	San Diego St	1	Tulsa		
John Hancock		Dec 31	UCLA		7	Illinois	
Copper			Dec 31	Baylor		3^	Indiana		
Peach			Jan 1	East Carolina	2	NC State	
Citrus			Jan 1	California	1	Clemson		
Hall of Fame		Jan 1	Syracuse	3	Ohio St		
Cotton			Jan 1	Florida St	7	Texas A&M	
Fiesta			Jan 1	Penn St		3^	Tennessee	
Rose			Jan 1	Washington	7	Michigan	
Orange			Jan 1	Miami-FL	10	Nebraska	
Sugar			Jan 1	Florida		6	Notre Dame	
    

    I'm not a betting main, so what does ^ mean?
    
    MrT

    
>        I'm not a betting main, so what does ^ mean?
 
    Half-point, I think...
    
    glenn
    

    
    I'll put my entry on display since I'm running the contest.  I don't
    want anyone copying my picks, either!!   :^)
    
                                                                  My Picks
                                                                 ----------
California Raisin   Fresno St	       14	Bowlgin Green 	 1 Fresno St.
Aloha		    Stanford	        3	Georgia Tech	14 Stanford
Blockbuster         Colorado	        0	Alabama		 7 Colorado
Independence	    Georgia	        8	Arkansas	10 Georgia
Gator		    Virginia	        1	Oklahoma	 9 Oklahoma
Liberty		    Mississippi St	9^	Air Force	 5 Air Force
Holiday		    Iowa		4	BYU		18 Iowa
Freedom	            San Diego St	1	Tulsa		 3 SDSU
John Hancock	    UCLA		7	Illinois	 8 UCLA
Copper	            Baylor		3^	Indiana		11 Baylor
Peach	            East Carolina	2	NC State	 2 E. Carolina
Citrus		    California  	1	Clemson		16 Clemson
Hall of Fame	    Syracuse            3	Ohio St		 6 Syracuse
Cotton		    Florida St  	7	Texas A&M	 4 FSU
Fiesta		    Penn St		3^	Tennessee	12 Tennessee
Rose		    Washington	        7	Michigan	17 Michigan
Orange	            Miami-FL	       10	Nebraska	13 Miami
Sugar	            Florida		6	Notre Dame	15 Florida
    
    

                                                                  My Picks
                                                                 ----------
California Raisin   Fresno St	       14	Bowlgin Green 	 1 Bowling Green
Aloha		    Stanford	        3	Georgia Tech	14 Stanford
Blockbuster         Colorado	        0	Alabama		 7 Colorado
Independence	    Georgia	        8	Arkansas	10 Georgia
Gator		    Virginia	        1	Oklahoma	 9 Oklahoma
Liberty		    Mississippi St	9^	Air Force	 5 Mississipi
Holiday		    Iowa		4	BYU		18 Iowa
Freedom	            San Diego St	1	Tulsa		 3 SDSU
John Hancock	    UCLA		7	Illinois	 8 UCLA
Copper	            Baylor		3^	Indiana		11 Baylor
Peach	            East Carolina	2	NC State	 2 E. Carolina
Citrus		    California  	1	Clemson		16 Clemson
Hall of Fame	    Syracuse            3	Ohio St		 6 Syracuse
Cotton		    Florida St  	7	Texas A&M	 4 FSU
Fiesta		    Penn St		3^	Tennessee	12 Penn
Rose		    Washington	        7	Michigan	17 Michigan
Orange	            Miami-FL	       10	Nebraska	13 Miami
Sugar	            Florida		6	Notre Dame	15 Florida

    Just a little bit of clarification on the contest.  Unless otherwise
    noted on your picks, I'm assuming that the number that you put next to
    your pick is the POINT value you want for that game and not the RANK of
    the game.  In other words, if you have a "1" assigned to a game, that
    is your 1-point game and not your 18-pointer.  The only reason I am 
    bringing this up is that a couple people have done their picks that way
    (By rank, not points). 
    
    If you have already sent in your picks and you need to change or
    clarify this send me mail.  Otherwise, all picks that don't specify how
    they're done will be scored by the point value assigned to each game. 
    
    If you haven't sent them in yet, it would make it a little easier for
    me if you put the point value on each game instead of the rank.  This
    will make it a little less confusing for me.  Thanx.
    
    
    Joe 
    
    

    First pick:  Minnesota St in the Peachbowl
    

    Isn't that Pineapple bowl?
    

    Duh, stupid me. you're right Walt. Pineapple Bowl it tis.
    
    

    If you still wanna get in the contest get you entry in today.
    
    
    Joe

    
    	Who won the Bowling Green/Fresno St game? and the score please...
    
    Thanks,
    
    B.A.
    
    

    Bowling Green won - I think the score was 28-21.
    
    Joe

    Thank you!
    
    B.A.
    

    
    	Bama beat the Buffaloes!
    
    B.A.
    

    Joe, 
    How bout posting a leader list (by points) Tuesday PM (if ya gots
    the time).
    
    MikeL
    
    PS.
    Bulldogs over Razorbacks (giving the points by 1)
    Falcons huge over Miss St ( Gots ta be happy Joe)
    Ouch!, Sooners "cromwellize" cavaliers ( Bob Hunt must be cryin in his
                                             'Hoos soup, ma sympathies, Bob
                                              as it could be me on Jan 2)
    
     

       Who won the Stanford-GT game?
                               Denny

    I'm batting .830
                              Denny

    God I wish I had known that Colarado was gonna implement a brand new 
    offense and stick with it no matter how bad it was doing before I 
    picked them as my #1 pick in the contest.
    
                                              Dan

       BYU-Iowa 13-13 tie!
                                  Denny

Bowl                 Winner vs. Spread
-----------          -----------------
Cal. Raisin          Bowling Green
Aloha                Georgia Tech
Blockbuster          Alabama
Independence         Georgia
Gator                Oklahoma
Liberty              Air Force
Holiday              BYU
Freedom              Tulsa



Standings
------------
CSOA1::BACH                  55
RAVEN1::J_REID               44
CTHQ1::LEARY                 41
ANIMLZ::DUBE                 40
HPSRAD::RIEU                 38
CRBOSS::DERRY                36
SCOMAN::GARRY                35
CELTIK::R_QUINN              34
CNTROL::CHILDS               32
WLDWST::RCARRUTHERS          31
RAVEN1::B_ADAMS              29
TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH           28
IBIS::OGLESBY                28
MCIS2::CLAYBROOK             27
IBIS::D_SMITH                25
BSS::JCOTANCH                24
PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF            22
MSBOS::DINSMORE              21
FDCV06::KING                 20
GUSHER::WAUGAMAN             19
MIMS::ROLLINS_R              15
AKOCOA::KBURGESS             15
REFINE::ASHE                 11
SCOMAN::CHAISSON              8

          

    I have not yet begun to roll over and die...

    ...still sip!
    AP picked them as #1. Real close voting, like 4 points seperating them.
    Hopefully the other poll will pick Wash.
                                       Denny

    Dontcha wish there could be one more bowl game............
    
    
    REK

    Well, my two favorites won yesterday - Penn State in the best offensive
    showing of the day, and Notre Dame - silencing the lambs, er critics,
    about being worthy of the Sugar Bowl.
    
    JD

Bowl                 Winner vs. Spread
-----------          -----------------
Cal. Raisin          Bowling Green
Aloha                Georgia Tech
Blockbuster          Alabama
Independence         Georgia
Gator                Oklahoma
Liberty              Air Force
Holiday              BYU
Freedom              Tulsa
John Hancock         Illinois
Copper               Indiana
Peach                East Carolina
Citrus               California
Hall of Fame         Syracuse
Cotton               Florida State
Fiesta               Penn State
Rose                 Washington
Orange               Miami
Sugar                Notre Dame



Standings
------------
WLDWST::RCARRUTHERS          118
CRBOSS::DERRY                117
MCIS2::CLAYBROOK             108
TNPUBS::MCCULLOUGH           107
ANIMLZ::DUBE                 103
SCOMAN::CHAISSON             102
HPSRAD::RIEU                 101
AKOCOA::KBURGESS             98
CSOA1::BACH                  94
CTHQ1::LEARY                 91
CNTROL::CHILDS               89
RAVEN1::B_ADAMS              84
SCOMAN::GARRY                76
GUSHER::WAUGAMAN             71
PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF            70
RAVEN1::J_REID               67
IBIS::OGLESBY                66
CELTIK::R_QUINN              57
MSBOS::DINSMORE              57
FDCV06::KING                 57
BSS::JCOTANCH                49
IBIS::D_SMITH                35
REFINE::ASHE                 31
MIMS::ROLLINS_R              29

    Boy, did I suck.... Tied with DiNz.... I am totally
    embarrassed!!!!!!!!!!!

    REK

    
    Congrats  K. derry for 2nd!
    
    Rek, Low  blow there, 15 yd penalty :)
    
    dinz
    

    DiNz.. you do note once in a while... And after you blew me off for
    that babe.....
    
    REK
    
    Boston Bruins looked good tonight... 3-1 LOSERS to the Jets...
    And after that shake em up trade today....

    I thought I had this one wrapped up.  Finished with 125 points in
    another pool and ended up 4th...
    

    Hey Joe,
    Even though ya did lousy on your picks, mucho thanks for running this
    contest. Ya did well, ma main!!
    
    Danke,
    MikeL
    
    Now if I could figure a way to convert ya to NDism
    

>    Now if I could figure a way to convert ya to NDism


There will be no NUDism in this conference.  All noters must note
with their clothes ON.


Your moderator,
'Saw    

    
    But 'Saw,
    You're being discriminatory against the " apparel-challenged" noters.
    
    MikeL
    
    

    Thanks for the compliment, Mike.  It was fun.
    
    As for trying to convert me to ND-ism, well, you might start with
    something a little easier, like trying to convert me to a Faider fan.
    :^)
    
    
    Joe

>    As for trying to convert me to ND-ism, well, you might start with
>    something a little easier, like trying to convert me to a Faider fan.
>    :^)
    


Jes' keep those clothes on there, Joe....8^)

    Geez, I was in firsted after the Monday games, and finished 9th
    outta 24...
    
    Just me an' my Bearz!  ;-)
    
    Chip_GSH_Bach

                     
    ?    Shock! That's all I can say! I've been down and out with the flu
    for the past week and I come in for a minute to check the Sports
    notes..... what a surprise!

         I thought for sure someone would end up with a better showing
    especially losing my #18 pick on the Florida / Notre Dame game.

         No sense in gloating as luck was just with me. 

         Thanks for the fun contest. I will not get to repeat as they are
    shutting us down in 3 - 5 months so at that time I will turn the title
    over to our second place champion.

                                                   Night Flier   ~~v~~

    Gee.. its Friday night and its 10:15... Me and the little misses
    watched Doc Hollywood tonight.. She loves those stories that end in a
    happy ending... Now after putting the boys in bed at 9 and the little
    misses in a loving sort of way... I'm now noting nude....   Its kinda
    of fun.. Its kinda nice... I can type more easier now with-out
    clothes... I'm gonna have to try this at work and show my boss that I
    can get more done this way...


       REK

>    Gee.. its Friday night and its 10:15... Me and the little misses
>    watched Doc Hollywood tonight.. She loves those stories that end in a
>    happy ending... Now after putting the boys in bed at 9 and the little
>    misses in a loving sort of way... I'm now noting nude....   Its kinda
>    of fun.. Its kinda nice... I can type more easier now with-out
>    clothes... I'm gonna have to try this at work and show my boss that I
>    can get more done this way...

heh heh heh....

Just watch out you don't inadvertantly hit the space bar with any
exposed appendages.....


8^)

    REK, how cain you reach the keyboard with that gut hangin' over the
    table?
    
    Mark.

    Who said anything about sitting at a table?!?!!?? :=}
    
    You mean all this working out at Orchard Hills in Lancaster
    hasn't paid off yet?!?!?!!?!!?
    
    REK

    Orchard Hills is in Leominster.  
    
    Mark.

    I guess this is a good place to ask.

    Could someone out there kindly post (or mail to me)
    the results of the following bowl games.


Aloha		Stanford	vs	Georgia Tech	
Blockbuster	Colorado	vs	Alabama		
Independence	Georgia		vs	Arkansas	
Holiday		Iowa		vs	BYU		
John Hancock	UCLA		vs	Illinois	
Hall of Fame	Syracuse	vs	Ohio St		
Cotton		Florida St	vs	Texas A&M	
Fiesta		Penn St		vs	Tennessee	
Orange		Miami-FL	vs	Nebraska	

    Sorry if they are posted somewhere in this NOTEs file.
    I gave a quick look and could not find them.

    			The information is much appreciated.

    					Ed

    Aloha	Ga Tech 18	Stanford 17
    Blockbuster	Alabama 30	Colorado 25
    Indep	Georgia over Arkansas, don't remember score
    Holiday	Iowa 13		BYU 13
    Hancock	UCLA 6		Illinois 3
    Hall of Fame	Syracuse over Ohio State by 7
    Cotton	Florida St 10	Texas A&M 3 or so
    Fiesta	Penn State over Tennessee
    Orange	Miami 22	Nebraska 0
    
    All I can remember immediately
    
    John

    
    	Thanks John,
    
    	I know Penn State won big. If anyone knows the scor of the
    	Georgia/Arkansas game, that would be great.
    
    					Again, thanks,
    
    					Ed
    
    

    
>    	I know Penn State won big. If anyone knows the scor of the
>    	Georgia/Arkansas game, that would be great.
    
    It was either 24-15 or 25-16.  I know Georgia won by 9, barely beating
    the spread.
    
    Joe
     
    

    
    	Thank you very much Joe.
    
    			Ed
    

Article: 422
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (United Press International)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.football.college
Subject: College Bowl Schedule
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 20:23:03 PST
 
                             ------
                             Dec. 18
                           Silver Bowl
                       At Las Vegas, Nev.
        Big West champion vs. Bowling Green
                             Dec. 25
                           Aloha Bowl
                           At Honolulu
        Big Eight member vs. WAC member or atlarge
                             Dec. 29
                          Freedom Bowl
                       At Anaheim, Calif.
        Pac-10 member vs. at-large team
                             Dec. 29
                           Copper Bowl
                        At Tucson, Ariz.
        WAC member or at-large vs. at-large team
                             Dec. 30
                          Holiday Bowl
                          At San Diego
        WAC champion vs. Big Ten member
                             Dec. 31
                        Independence Bowl
                       At Shreveport, La.
        At-large teams
                             Dec. 31
                          Hancock Bowl
                        At El Paso, Texas
        Alliance runner-up vs. at-large team
                             Dec. 31
                           Gator Bowl
                      At Jacksonville, Fla.
        Alliance runner-up vs. SEC member
                             Dec. 31
                          Liberty Bowl
                        At Memphis, Tenn.
        Air Force vs. Mississippi
                             Jan. 1
                        Hall of Fame Bowl
                         At Tampa, Fla.
        Big East member vs. at-large team
                             Jan. 1
                           Cotton Bowl
                            At Dallas
        SWC champion vs. alliance member
                             Jan. 1
                           Citrus Bowl
                        At Orlando, Fla.
        Big Ten runner-up vs. SEC runner-up
                             Jan. 1
                        Blockbuster Bowl
                            At Miami
        Penn State vs. alliance runner-up
                             Jan. 1
                           Fiesta Bowl
                         At Tempe, Ariz.
        Alliance members
                             Jan. 1
                            Rose Bowl
                       At Pasadena, Calif.
        Washington vs. Michigan
                             Jan. 1
                           Orange Bowl
                            At Miami
        Big Eight champion vs. alliance member
                             Jan. 1
                           Sugar Bowl
                         At New Orleans
        SEC champion vs. alliance member
                             Jan. 2
                           Peach Bowl
                           At Atlanta
        ACC member vs. at-large team
                             ------
        (Alliance: Orange, Cotton, Sugar and Fiesta bowls choose from
among ACC and Big East champions, Notre Dame and two runners-up from
ACC, Big East, Big Eight, Southwest and Pac-10 conferences. Remaining
runnersup divided between Blockbuster, Gator and Hancock bowls. WAC
will send second representative to either Aloha or Copper bowls.)

    	Nice to see my alma mater (Bowling Green State U.) in another
    	bowl.
    
    	Scott (M.A., 1984)

Falling into place:

Iowa has conditionally accepted a bid to the Copper Bowl. They must beat
Minnesota. If so, Iowa will be 6-6 and likely play BYU.

The Holiday Bowl will have the winner of the Michigan St-Illinois game
and play likely WAC champ, Hawaii.

John Hancock bowl looks like Arizona vs Texas.

TTom

    Any projections on where my high spending Irish alum-bros might
    be spending New Years, O sage??
    
    MikeL
    
    

All indications are that ND will play Texas A&M in the Cotton. There are
a couple of things that could mess that up.

If'n Alabama loses either the Auburn game or the SEC championship,
Florida St is likely to move to #2 and end up playing Miami in the
Fiesta. However, Miami doesn't want to play Florida St again. The
coalition requires #1 to play #2 if'n it can.

Which brings us back to A&M who still hasn't clinched its conference.
Assuming they do win against TCU and Texas they could possibly host Miami
which would put ND in either the Sugar or the Orange.

But it looks unlikely that Miami will play in the Cotton and if ND wants
to play the Aggies it should root for Alabama to win the rest of their
games.

TTom

    ND knows the Cotton. Lasted time there they were blown out by A&M,
    Jan 1 '88 ah believe but had sdome big wins over Texas and Houston
    there. I think ND is 3 ( W's over UT (2) and Houston ) and 2 ( losses
    to UT (1) and A&M).
    
    Dallas is a great party area. Loved whence Iwas in training there in
    '87. The Cotton Bowl itself uis a tad disappointing. Walked around
    the area a bit in March and let me tell ya, with that wind whipping
    around, it's one cold stadium. Seems like 10-15 D. colder in that
    old joint.
    
    If it's the Orange that'll be three out f the last four years.
    Twice against CU and now maybe NU. Hopefully mebbe the Sugar,
    never been to N'Awlins.  But Phoenix would be nice!
    
    MikeL
    

    Latest I've read has ND going to the Orange.  That's assuming that Bama
    wins out, sending FSU to the Cotton against A&M.
    
    Joe

I think here's the way this all goes:

The Big 8 goes to the Orange. The SEC goes to the Sugar. The SWC goes to
the Cotton.

Then comes the Big East, ACC and Notre Dame. The highest rated of these
3 plays the highest rated of the first 3. Right now that would be Alabama
and the Sugar Bowl. That happens unless 2 of these 3 are #1 and #2, which
might happen if'n Alabama loses.

What exactly happens after the bowl is determined for #1 is up for grabs,
as in money grabbing. Whatever they think will make the most money is how
it will turn out.

The schools themselves are likely to get caught up in the money grabbing.
Already, Miami has grumbled about having to go to the Sugar Bowl. They'd
rather stay home, than you. They've also started bad mouthing a possible
Florida St rematch.

In any case, getting back to the Irish, ND has the third pick being the
lowliest in the rankings.

And of course, a loss by Miami, Alabama and/or Texas A&M could scramble
everything.

TTom

Las Vegas Silver - Big West champ vs MAC champ
	at Las Vegas, $150K (per team)
	Dec. 18, 8 pm, ESPN
	San Jose St vs Bowling Green

Jeep Eagle Aloha - Big 8 #3 vs WAC #2 or at-large
	at Honolulu, $750K
	Dec. 25, 3:30 pm
	Colorado or Kansas vs BYU or Hawaii

Weiser Lock Copper - WAC #2 or #3 or at-large vs at-large
	at Tuscon, Ariz, $650K
	Dec. 29, 8 pm, ESPN
	BYU or Fresno St vs Iowa or Washington St

	Note: Aloha Bowl may pick WAC runnerup or pass.
		If it passes, Copper must take WAC.
		If Aloha picks WAC, Copper may select anyone

Freedom - PAC 10 #3 vs at-large
	at Anaheim, Calif, $650K
	Dec. 29, 9 pm, Raycom
	Arizona, Stanford or Southern Cal vs 
		Fresno St, Utah, or Wisconsin

Thrifty Car Rental Holiday - WAC champ vs Big 10 #3
	at San Diego, $1.5M
	Dec. 30, 8 pm, ESPN
	San Diego St or Hawaii vs Michigan St-Illinois winner 

Poulan/Weed Eater Independence - at-large vs at-large
	at Shreveport, La, $650K
	Dec. 31, 12:30 pm, ESPN
	Wake Forest vs Wisconsin, Oregon, Rice, 
		Southern Miss, or Rutgers

John Hancock - coaltion vs at-large
	at El Paso, $1.1M
	Dec. 31, 2:30 pm, CBS
	Texas vs Southern Cal or Arizona 

Outback Steakhouse Gator - SEC #3 vs coalition
	at Jacksonville, Fla, $1.6M
	Dec. 31, 6 pm, TBS
	Georgia or Florida vs NC State

Liberty - service academy vs at-large
	at Memphis, $900K
	Dec. 31, 8 pm, ESPN
	Air Force vs Mississippi

Hall of Fame - at-large vs at-large
	at Tampa, $1M
	Jan. 1, 11 am, ESPN
	Boston College vs Tennessee

Florida Citrus - Big 10 #2 vs SEC #2
	at Orlando, $2M
	Jan. 1, 1 pm, ABC
	Ohio St vs Florida or Georgia

Mobil Cotton - SWC champ vs coalition
	at Dallas, $3M
	Jan. 1, 1 pm, NBC
	Texas A&M vs Notre Dame or Florida St

Blockbuster - Penn St vs coalition
	at Maimi, $1.525M
	Jan. 1, 1:30, CBS
	Penn St vs Stanford, Southern Cal, or Kansas

Fiesta - coalition vs coalition
	at Tempe, Ariz, $3M
	Jan. 1, 4:30 pm, NBC
	Arizona if it wins the lasted 2 games;
	Two from Syracuse, Colorado, Stanford, or Southern Cal

Rose - PAC 10 champ vs Big 10 champ
	at Pasadena, Calif, $6.5M
	Jan. 1, 4:45, ABC
	Washington vs Michigan

Federal Express Orange - Big 8 champ vs coalition
	at Miami, $4.2M
	Jan. 1, 8 pm, NBC
	Nebraska vs Florida St or Notre Dame

USF&G Sugar - SEC champ vs coalition
	at New Orleans, $3.8M
	Jan. 1, 8:30 pm, ABC
	Alabama vs Miami-FL

Peach - ACC #3 vs at-large
	at Atlanat, $1M
	Jan. 2, 8 pm, ESPN
	No Carolina vs Mississippi St

and still more updates...

Nevada, the Big West Champ, will play Bowling Green in the Las Vegas
Silver Bowl. They received permission from the NCAA to go despite not
winning 6 games against I-A teams. They won 5 and this is their firsted
year in I-A. The NCAA said that they were granted this waiver because
this is a closed in bowl between the Big West champ and the MAC champ.

Washington State clinched a bid in the Copper bowl by beating Washington.
Incredibly, their opponent will be Utah.

Illinois is going to the Holiday Bowl. 

TTom

getting the daily fix...

Southern Cal will play Fresno St in the Freedom bowl.

And in the Big 8...

If'n Nebraska wins, its
	Nebraska to Orange (assuming they beat Kansas St)
	Coloradoa to the Fiesta,
	Kansas to the Aloha

If'n Oklahoma wins, its
	Colrado to the Orange
	Nebraska in the Blockbuster
	Oklahoma to the Aloha

TTom

    re: .75
    
    Fiesta won;t be clear until after Miami, Alabama, Florida State finish
    their season. If Miami-Florida State are 1,2 in the polls they play at
    the Fiesta Bowl. The loopholes that allow teams to not play in a
    specific bowl do not apply for a #1 vs. #2 matchup.
    
    The Crazy met
    

>              <<< Note 218.75 by ACESMK::FRANCUS "Mets in '93" >>>
>                           ^^
>    re: .75
          ^^

Talking to yourself again, TCm?

Yeah, fer sure the Fiesta could get feisty.  #1 is supposed to fight, I
mean play, #2, if'n they can. But this is a lot like Riddick Bowe, who's
supposed to fight Lennox Lewis. But as the saying goes, money talks.
Miami is already complaining about not wanting to possibly play Florida
St. They just keep their show local and mop up against whoever wins the
Big 8. 

BTW, what happens if after 4 quarters Alabama and Florida are tied in the
SEC championship? Do they go into extra innings? Penalty kicks? 

TTom

>>              <<< Note 218.75 by ACESMK::FRANCUS "Mets in '93" >>>
>>                           ^^
>>    re: .75
          ^^

>> Talking to yourself again, TCm?
    
    Yup only way to have an intelligent converstion in this forum :-)
    
    Should have been re: .74


    Interesting question on SEC Championship tie - anyone know if there is
    overtime?
    
    re: #1 vs #2. If this can happen it will. Otherwise the whole coaltion
    will fall apart, amidst law suits and all kinds of other stuff. I doubt
    that any school will want to cause that.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    From what I hear, the SEC champeenship does have a tiebreaker.
    Not too positive if I heard right, but both teams git four downs from
    the opponent's 20 yd line to bang it home. Guess they keep this going
    till somebody scores.
    
    MikeL
    

Assuming that Nebraska can beat Kansas St, the SEC championship is really
about all that's left. The Sugar gets the winner of the Alabama-Florida
game. The loser may not necessarily be the #2 since this is determined by
who is the higher ranked between the loser and Georgia. Just because
Florida won their division doesn't mean they're #2. Right now, Alabama is
ranked #2, Georgia is #8 and Florida is #15. 

The SEC has always used national rankings to determine who gets to host
the Sugar Bowl in the case of ties. 

So that if Alabama beats Florida it looks like
	Alabama to the Sugar
	Georgia to the Citrus
	Florida to the Gator

But if Florida beats Alabama it looks like
	Florida to the Sugar
	Alabama to the Citrus (assuming they don't drop below Georgia)
	Georgia to the Gator

Then there's the issue of where Miami. Florida St and Notre Dame play.
Like the rest of us, we'll have to wait until this weekend and see who
wins the Florida-Alabama game.

TTom

Article: 560
From: clarinews@clarinet.com (JEFF SHAIN, UPI Sports Writer)
Newsgroups: clari.sports.football.college,clari.sports.top
Subject: Bowl coalition may backfire
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 16:22:45 PST
 
Commentary
	That illustrious brigade of neon jackets -- the folks who run the bowl
coalition -- had better hope like heck Alabama beats Florida in the SEC
Championship game Saturday. The entire concept of the alliance rides on
it.
	Should the Crimson Tide fall, the coalition will be branded a sham
before the first ball is kicked. That's because the system will have
failed in its primary objective -- to create the best possible matchup
for the postseason.
	An Alabama loss would leave the nation with two unbeaten, untied
teams -- Miami and Texas A&M. And the coalition would be unable to match
them up for the national title, even though Miami is free to play in any
bowl.
	We didn't need the coalition to come up with this scenario. In fact,
that's what the alliance was supposed to avoid. But the neon brigade
left a major loophole in its myriad of selection guidelines -- its
reliance on a media panel to direct its hand.
	With the intention of trying to create the best possible matchups,
the coalition uses the Associated Press ratings as the basis for its
selections. But the system isn't foolproof.
	Right now, the AP poll ranks 10-1 Florida State third behind No. 1
Miami and No. 2 Alabama, with 12-0 Texas A&M fourth. If Alabama loses
and everything else remains the same -- which is expected since each of
the others have completed their regular seasons -- those ratings would
have Miami first, Florida State second and Texas A&M third.
	Under coalition guidelines, Miami and Florida State would then meet
in the Fiesta Bowl for the national championship. In fact, about the
only iron-clad rule in the book is that if the Nos. 1 and 2 teams aren't
committed by conference affiliation to play in separate bowls, they must
play for the title.
	But in this case, the best matchup is left out in the cold -- Miami
vs. Texas A&M in the Cotton Bowl for all the marbles.
	``It's no advantage to us if the coalition can't deliver,'' Texas A&M
Coach R.C. Slocum said. ``Then why be in it anyway?''
	Making matters worse, a contest between Miami and Florida State would
be a rematch of a game already played this year. The Hurricanes beat
Florida State back on Oct. 10, winning 19-16 when Dan Mowrey missed a
last-second field goal for the Seminoles.
	``I wouldn't see where it does us any good to play Florida State
again,'' Miami Coach Dennis Erickson said.
	In fact, the Hurricanes have dominated the series for nearly a
decade, winning seven of the last eight meetings. In each of the last
two years, the Seminoles lost when a late field-goal attempt sailed wide
right.
	Is it really necessary to stage the next edition of the Wide Right
Classic in the Fiesta Bowl, with an undefeated Texas A&M on the outside
looking in?
	No matter what might happen in that game, the Aggies would have a
major beef if they won the Cotton Bowl to go 13-0.
	``The best course of action is to win every game we play,'' Slocum
said. ``We do what we do and if that's not good enough, then so be it
for the polls. If the pollsters don't go to enough effort to research
the game -- see if they had the thing wrapped up and put younger guys in
-- we have no control over that.''
	When there are only two undefeated teams left in the country,
shouldn't they play for the national title if at all possible? Not
according to the neon brigade's leaders.
	``The system was not designed to be all-encompassing,'' said Mickey
Holmes, executive director of the Sugar Bowl. ``This is going in the
direction we wanted all along.''
	Even the good folks at the Cotton Bowl weren't any help, even though
they stand to lose the prestige of hosting a national-title game.
	``I just accept things the way they are,'' said Jim Brock, the bowl's
executive vice president. ``We agreed to this. FSU probably deserves to
be where they are. We're ready to accept what they dictate, despite all
my politicking.''
	This situation has the potential to turn into the bowl coalition's
worst nightmare. In spite of all their best intentions, their rules
designed to create the best matchup are going blow up in their faces.
	Not that any of them are about to admit it. Mention the scenario to
any of the coalition's leaders and they get a little testy.
	Orange Bowl Executive Director Steve Hatchell said such criticism is
``looking at it the wrong way. We look at it as No. 1 vs. No. 2. If you
can get No. 1 vs. No. 2, you play the game.''
	Even if the best matchup is No. 1 vs. No. 3.
	``The whole idea was not to create a national-championship situation,
'' Holmes said. ``It wasn't the objective in the beginning, it's not the
objective now and it's not the objective in the future. It's not what
the bowls or the institutions want.''
	But it's what the public wants. Despite all the double-talk by its
leaders, the whole idea behind the coalition was to stem the rising call
for a playoff system in the wake of a series of bad bowl matchups in
recent years.
	That sentiment has eased for now. But all it takes is another
national-title controversy to get it started again.
	So roll Tide, roll. The hopes -- and fears -- of the bowl coalition
roll with you.

Las Vegas	Dec. 18	Bowling Green	vs	Nevada		

Aloha		Dec. 25	BYU		vs	Kansas		

Copper		Dec. 29	Washington St	vs	Utah		

Freedom		Dec. 29	Southern Cal	vs	Fresno St	

Holiday		Dec. 30	Hawaii		vs	Illinois	

Independence	Dec. 31	Oregon		vs	Wake Forest	

John Hancock	Dec. 31	Arizona 	vs	Baylor		

Gator		Dec. 31	Florida		vs	NC State	

Liberty		Dec. 31	Mississippi	vs	Air Force	

Hall of Fame	Jan. 1	Tennessee	vs	Boston College	

Citrus		Jan. 1	Ohio St		vs	Georgia		

Cotton		Jan. 1	Texas A&M	vs	Notre Dame	

Blockbuster	Jan. 1	Penn St		vs	Stanford	

Fiesta		Jan. 1	Syracuse	vs	Colorado	

Rose		Jan. 1	Washington	vs	Michigan	

Orange		Jan. 1	Nebraska	vs	Florida St	

Sugar		Jan. 1	Miami-FL	vs	Alabama		

Peach		Jan. 2	Mississippi St	vs	No Carolina	

If'n we're gonna have this here bowl contest thang we'd better get
started.

I've just posted the lines in The Line. It has all the lines, including
the first game, Friday night, Bowling Green versus Nevada.

If'n that's too intense, we can wait to start with the Aloha.

Either way, I'll volunteer to get the mail messages and tally ho the
results.

What say ye?

TTom

Sounds good. My picks are on the way. If we start with the Aloha
just use the picks from there on.

The Crazy Met

    
    
    OKIE DOKIE

    Yo TTom,
    Danke. Let's start with the Aloha. If people don't want to, then
    let's at the least get the pick in for the 18th bowl game by the
    end of today. Then make the deadline the 23rd for the rest.
    Take charge und decide.
    
    MikeL
    

OK here be da rulz:

 o Start with the Aloha Bowl
 o Pick against the line posted in The Line - 31.366
 o 2 points for win, 1 for tie, most points win
 o Entries should/must be sent to me vai Mail (don't post 'em here)

If for any reason HBAHBA::HAAS doesn't work, AUNTB::HAAS can be used.

I'm outta here till Tuesday.

Good luck to all.

TTom

Here's who's in so far. Be sure to get you picks in by tomorrow since
Thursday is a holiday and Friday is the beginning of the Nexted Annual
Bowl Contests.

	CNTROL::CHILDS       
	6882::DERRY          
	FDCV07::KING         
	WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M  
	ROYALT::ASHE         
	21802::MCCARTHY      
	CTHQ::MCCULLOUGH     
	SCOMAN::GARRY        
	SCOMAN::WHITEHAIR    
	8702::WOESTEHOFF     
	7208::TBLANCHARD     
	31913::LONG          
	TOOK::WAUGAMAN       
	16913::MAY_BR        
	BSS::JCOTANCH        
	METSNY::francus      
	HBAHBA::HAAS         (sent to The Crazy Met)

TTom

    
    Hey TTOm, does the 16913:: before my name indicate the number of
    replies it took me to get it right?
    
    
    Brews
    

Nah.

It's the odds against your picks winning ;-)

And one more contestant has checked in, CTHQ::LEARY. Wonder which way he
went with the Cotton Bowl...

TTom

    -1,
    Hey! Watch dat, you dadgum Packbacker! 8^)
    
    Lettin' out vital information like that might sway the line in one
    direction. I don't want no calls from Vegas, ma main!!
    
    MikeL
    

Guessing which way MikeL's loyalties lie is about like guessing which way
the sun rises. 

MSBCS::BRYDIE just checked in.

TTom

re: .87

Confirming that TTom indeed sent me his picks. He thinks that
by doing that we won't accuse him of running a rigged contest, hah! :-)

The Crazy Met

Here's the latest list, put in here showing the ones I got before the
bowls started.


Good Luck to all and so begins the process of determining winner(s) and
prize(s).

	CNTROL::CHILDS       
	6882::DERRY          (SHARE)
	FDCV07::KING         
	WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M  
	ROYALT::ASHE         
	21802::MCCARTHY      (BITBKT)
	CTHQ::MCCULLOUGH     
	SCOMAN::GARRY        
	SCOMAN::WHITEHAIR    
	8702::WOESTEHOFF     (SSDEVO)
	7208::TBLANCHARD     (FSDEV)
	31913::LONG          (MKFSA)
	TOOK::WAUGAMAN       
	16913::MAY_BR        (SWAM1)
	BSS::JCOTANCH        
	METSNY::francus      
	HBAHBA::HAAS         
	CTHQ::LEARY          
	MSBCS::BRYDIE        
	AUNTB::MCHUGH        
	6308::CAVE           (CADSYS)
	FSHBYT::HYMES        
	BIGQ::MCKAY          
	CSTEAM::FARLEY       
	BIGQ::WEST           

TTom

The first results are in. Kansas, +3, beats BYU straight up, 23-20. 

TTom

    
    Looks like I won't be 17-0 in thisted year's contest
    
    :*(
    
    

Since I was put in charge here, I've found it necessary to add one rule:

		All picks are final

This is mostly a clerical thang and helps maintain the spirit of every
one having already picked all of the games. So everyone is stuck with
what they've sent me.

TTom

So how many people wanted to change their picks for the Sugar and Cotton Bowls??

The Crazy Met

    Not allowed Craze,
    Anythang could happen betwixt now and BowlingTime.
    What if the NCAA decreed that only true student-athletes could
    play in da bowls??  Miami would have to forfeit! And wouldn't that
    create havoc with da pool!
    
    MikeL
    

    
    What id the definition of a "True Student Athlete" ???
    
    Inquiring Minds and All That,
    
    BG

    -1,
    Don't spoil me fun with logic BG willya!!
    
    MikeL
    

But Mike, that would leave only Stanford in the hunt. And besides
even if it left ND in, what was the head to head record between
Stanford and ND this year?? 

The Crazy Met

    
     Sorry MikeL...  I just thought there might be a ::SPORTS 
    definition for "true student athlete" or something like 
    that.  I believe that yours is fairly close though and they
    probably spell it the same as well.
    
    >>   < One who attends classes someathetime?? 8^) >-
    
    
    
    BG

    Stanford??
    
    They study on da Farm?  Good school.
    BTW, we is 1-3 agin Stanford thised year ('92).
    
    Win in men's BBall, losses in Wimmin's BBall, foosball, and a loss
    in the NCAA tennis finals. 
    
    Don't worry, we'll git 'em back at Palo Alto next year. Seems they win
    at South Bend, we win in Palo Alto.
    
    MikeL
    
    

Yeah Mike, but we is talkin football here. Wins in bball don't matter 
a hill of beans to the Football polls.

The Crazy Met

Does anyone miond if some people join in even though they missed the
first bowl?

The way we're scoring this is 2 for a win and 1 for a tie so they'd get
no points for missed bowls which can't possibly give anyone a_advantage.

If'n y'all leave it to me, I'd say fine. You can get credit for the bowls
not yet played and go oh-fer on the ones that have been completed.

But since we're swappin spit over in the Big East, I thought I'd put it
out here for comments and opinions...

TTom

Sure why not! Let 'em in and give 'em an 0-1 for the Aloha Bowl.

The Crazy Met

With no further objections, I'll accept late entries with the
understanding that you get a "GOOSE EGG BABY" for any games that have
already been played.

TTom

    Fresno St. 24  USC   7
    Wash. St.  31  Utah 28 

 Washington St   31      Utah   28
 Fresno St  24           USC  7

 Figures the nevada game doesn't count it's the only one I've picked right
 so far.  ;^)

 think Bledsoe was trying to show the Pats something?  476 yards passing...
 He looked good from what I saw even knew how to read a defense. 

    Yabbut mikey,
    How's about mighty Troy? I watched the Freedom Bowl and the Bulldawgs
    was all over 'em in the 2nd half. The Trojans looked mighty
    disinterested. Guess a few inflammatory statements by some So Cal
    players towards Fresno didn't sit too well. Gotta love the Bulldawg
    fans; 30K trekking down 330 miles from the San Joaquin Valley t
    cheer 'em on. USC fans had the same interest as their players;
    slim and none. 
    
    Jeez, Larry Smith looked cool and calm. Maybe he doesn't see the sword
    of Damocles hanging over his haid. Noticed ol' SC superscatback Mike
    Garrett prowling the sidelines. He was not amused. Lasted time he did
    that, Ted Tollner got the one way bus ticket outta town. Cain Smith
    be next??
    
    MikeL
    

I certainly hope Smith is shown the door. He hasn't done a dam thing except
drag the program down into the dumps. To think this used to be an annual top
10 team and now they can't even crack the top 25 except on reputation is
terrible. It can't be that hard to recruit to a school like USC, with the
tradition, the sweaters, etc. Something's wrong and I'd say it's Smith. 

thanks for the shot....

;^)

So when its too late to change picks, ESPN gives the stat that in Bowl games
a team that is an underdog of 7 or more points covers the spread about
70% of the time. So far this year, Nevada, Fresno State, and Utah have been
underdogs of 7 or more and have covered.

The Crazy Met

I caught that too TCM, and then I thought about our fearless prognostigator
Jimbo's leanings and knew I was in deep doo doo even when Wash St was up
21-0..........

fwiw the only bowls left that fit that criteria are: Liberty, Orange, and
Sugar. In 2 of them I pikec the underdog. Took Florida State -10.5 in the
Orange; and I almost NEVER take the favorite when the spread hits 10 points.

The Crazy Met

So far the trend is simple: the dogs won.

As for lasted night, who said the PAC10 was the bestest? After the very
weak defense by Washington St and USC's failure to show up for the game,
the conference is not living up to its reputation.

Get ready, folks it's going to really start in earnest tomorrow. So far
we've got one new/late entry, the JaKester.

TTom

    With all the 'dogs covering and seeing as I picked favorites in most of 
    the bowls, maybe I should resubmit my picks.  What've I got to lose,
    I'm 0-3 anyway! :^)
    
    
    Joe

    Heck, I got in just in time.  Went 1 fer 2 lasted night.
    
    JaKe
    

>  Heck, I got in just in time.  Went 1 fer 2 lasted night

so????

The Crazy Met

    Hey TCM, 
    
    may yoiur beer tomorrow night be skunked.
    
    JaKe
    

Finally a favorite wins. Hawaii beat Illinois, 27-17.

This is the firsted time I've seen Hawaii and they have a very good
running game. Travis Sims scored 2 TDs and the Rainbow Warriors - gotta
luv that name! - ran it down the Illini's throat. 

TTom

    Picks for the college bowl games 
    
    After picking Kansas and winning and then Having Utah St and Fresno St
    and also last night's loser (Illinois -- still think it was the right
    play)...I feeling confident so here goes....
    
    
    Baylor over Arizona      *
    NC State over Florida    *
    
    ND over A&M
    Stanford over P State
    Syracuse over Colorado   *
    Fla St. over Nebraska    *
    Alabama over Miami       
    
    And if I was inclined, which I'm not, perennial Rose Bowl-loser, loser
    (I mean tie'er) in general Gary Moeller and Wolverines over Don James
    and the Huskies.
    
    Here's to a 10-1 bowl season, we'll know tomorrow by midnight.  
    
                      
    happy new year

    I didn't get my pick in on time but I'll make do-do in here too.
    
    Independence: 	Oregon over Wake Forest
    Gator:		Florida over N.C. State
    Liberty:		Mississippi over Air Force
    Hancock:		Arizona over Baylor
    Hall of Fame:	Boston College over Tennessee
    Citrus:		Georgia over Ohio State
    Peach:		Mississippi St over North Carolina
    Cotton:		Notre Dame over Texas A&M
    Blockbuster:	Stanford over Penn St.
    Fiesta:		Colorado over Syracuse
    Rose:		Washington over Michigan
    Orange:		Florida St. over Nebraska
    Sugar:		Alabama over Miami

And here are the winners (I say winners cause we got a tie):

	Tommy Brydie and Walt Ashe.

They should both contact me to discuss prizes.

Here's how everyone did (players and number of correct bowl picks)

	MSBCS::BRYDIE           12
	ROYALT::ASHE            12
	CTHQ::MCCULLOUGH        11
	HBAHBA::HAAS            11
	SCOMAN::GARRY           11
	6882::DERRY             10
	CNTROL::CHILDS          10
	CSTEAM::FARLEY          10
	21802::MCCARTHY          9
	BIGQ::WEST               9
	FDCV07::KING             9
	TOOK::WAUGAMAN           9
	WMOIS::CHAPALONIS_M      9
	16913::MAY_BR            8
	7208::TBLANCHARD         8
	FSHBYT::HYMES            8
	METSNY::francus          8
	ROCK::MURPHY             8
	SCOMAN::WHITEHAIR        8
	6308::CAVE               7
	8702::WOESTEHOFF         7
	BIGQ::MCKAY              7
	BSS::JCOTANCH            7
	AUNTB::MCHUGH            6
	CTHQ::LEARY              6
	PFSVAX::JACOB            6
	31913::LONG              4

To all:
 	o please let me know if the above are incorrect and we'll adjust
	o let's do this again sometime.

TTom

    
    In the "Straight-Up" department, of the 17 games we contested on,
    I ended up 11-6, loosing the Aloha game (BYU), Independence (Oregon),
    Hancock ('zona), Blockbuster (Penn St.), Citrus (Ohio St) and da Peach
    (Miss. St).
    
    Anybody else do better?
    
    I remain,
    pretty proud of myself!
    Kev
    

    
       Yes, yes The Kid was absolutely perfect on January 1st picking
      every single game correctly. Of course had I bet a dime I prob-
      ably would have went 0 for the day, but nonetheless I reign proud-
      ly with my 2nd cousin twice removed, Walt Ashe, as one of the two
      Princes Of Pigskin Prognosticators. Bow before me all of you, the
      lttle people, the nobodies, the scum.

    Tommy, Kev ain't gonna like you calling him all those names in
    you last sentance...
    
    REK
    
    :-}

    
     BTW - I was (and still am) so wrapped up in how friggin' phenomonal
           I am that I forgot to thank TTom for hosting this note. Thanks,
           Mr Haas.

    
    Huh??
    
    'scuse me Mr.No_Happy_Face but you had 12 points.  Twelve steenkin
    points.
    
    At 2 points per win, you picked 6 freekin games right.  Six freekin
    games out of seventeen (17), S-E-H-V-E-N-T-E-E-N!!!!!
    
    I'll tell ya what, I'll do a 180 THEN I'll bow (after eating my bean
    and herring lunch).  Naturally, ma draw's will have been dropped too!
    
    Pfft!!!!!!
    
    ;^)
    
    I remain,
    a very good looser!
    Kev
    

    
     Well, look at who's looking greener than a seasick frog why it's
    little Mr Grasping-at-straws-with-that-straight-up-crap. If'n there's
    one thing I can't stand it'w when people refuse to acknowledge my
    superiority although, goodness knows, I should be used to it by now
    having suffered with it my whole life. Go back and read TTom's note
    again Kev. It says "the number of correct bowl picks". 
    
    I remain,
    
    A plagiarising wiseass 

    Kev, all this fresh air is doing a number on your brain.....
    
    REK

    My Dear_No_Happy_Face,
    
    please find said phrase.....
    
    I remain,
    said 'nuff
    Kev
    
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OK here be da rulz:

 o Start with the Aloha Bowl
 o Pick against the line posted in The Line - 31.366
 o 2 points for win, 1 for tie, most points win
 o Entries should/must be sent to me vai Mail (don't post 'em here)

If for any reason HBAHBA::HAAS doesn't work, AUNTB::HAAS can be used.

I'm outta here till Tuesday.

Good luck to all.

TTom

 >         I'd be using plenty of smiley faces if'n my conscience'd let me
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^

Do 'ya know the meaning of that word???? :-)

The Crazy Met

ps agree that as pennance Kev should sing your praises.

>>	31913::LONG              4
	
	Humph,  guess I shouldn't quit my day job.

	Thanks TTom.

	Bill

    
    Yo, Mr. No_Happy_Face!
    
    So you're doing all this crowing on how lucky you were on Noo Years
    Day allegedly picking all 8?  Then you say "read 'em"?
    
    To you, sir! I say, "Where" and can you prove (via 3rd party) that
    in fact those picks were made PRIOR to the games?
    
    I remain,
    an honest picker!
    Kev
    
    ps - and howcome yo feel forced to call me names?  Eyemean,
    frog-skinned?  Wadeye ever do to you?
    

    I ain't bowing... my beer wasn't skunked, and I didn't go to O'Connors.
    
    _Walt

One more thing on the dominance of the bowls by SEC, which went 5-1, and
ACC which went 3-1. The one and only game each conference lost was to
each other. Neither conference lost to any other conference.

TTom