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155.1 | | GENRAL::WADE | IBeenDrivinAllNight...MyHandsWetOnTheWheel | Fri May 24 1991 18:17 | 8 |
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B.A. (Does that stand for body arachnids? ;^) )
Ga. Tech is the COdefending national champs. Go Buffs!
HTH,
Claybone
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155.2 | Knew it would come... | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Welcome to the Queen City! | Fri May 24 1991 18:27 | 9 |
155.3 | Mercenary Florida State will *be* the ACC soon... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Fri May 24 1991 18:32 | 15 |
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The ACC peaked this past year in a season the likes of which they
won't soon see again. In general, the ACC teams also need to
start picking up some tough non-conference games if they want to gain
true national respect (and I'm not talking about a couple of games
with Georgia and Va. Tech, either). Maryland's the only team the last
couple of years that has had the guts to pony up with the big boys,
and of course they paid for it...
Either this year or next, I think you'll see North Carolina win the
ACC, believe it or not. (Unless Florida State starts their ACC
schedule within that timeframe...)
glenn
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155.4 | Did Someone Say 'Football'? | BSS::JCOTANCH | Colorado Football: #1 for 1990 | Fri May 24 1991 18:50 | 23 |
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> On this side if the Mississippi Ga Tech is the "only" national
> champs..
Geez, you mean all you East-coasters suddenly dumped the most
recognized poll, the AP? :) I can imagine what it's like in Georgia.
I assume you can't buy a thing that denotes CU as National Champs, just
like you can't find any GT National Champ stuff here.
RE .3
Doesn't FSU start playing an ACC schedule this coming season? I think
I recall hearing where some of their traditional rivalries may be
cancelled due to their joining the ACC, such as games against Miami,
Auburn, and Florida. I would think the last one FSU would want to drop
would be Florida, with that being such a great intrastate rivalry.
As for GT this coming season, I would expect them to be ranked fairly
high going into next season. Going by how many GT players getting
drafted (or not drafted, actually), it looks like they have quite a few
starters returning.
Joe
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155.5 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Welcome to the Queen City! | Fri May 24 1991 18:52 | 15 |
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No doubt that Fla.State will carry the load for the conference..but
I still thnk they will catch some stiff competition from the other
schools...Ga.Tech, State and Clemsuck...Not in that order.
The ACC has added more Div.I teams to their schedule too support
the Notre Dame theory...The better the teams, the more you learn. But
you have to realize that the ACC went with only one bowl loss last year
with 4 teams in...not too bad! At least I think that's right...Va lost
I know...
Better times are a comin' to the ACC!
B.A.
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155.6 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | Flunk me? Flunk HIM! | Fri May 24 1991 20:24 | 11 |
155.7 | RALLEY IN THE VALLEY!! | RAVEN1::J_REID | | Fri May 24 1991 21:02 | 9 |
| Before we go any futher, This is the official meaning of ACC.
A nother
C lemson
C hampionship
J.R.
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155.8 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Welcome to the Queen City! | Fri May 24 1991 21:04 | 6 |
155.9 | This is correct | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Welcome to the Queen City! | Fri May 24 1991 21:05 | 8 |
| re-1,
Almost
Close
Clemsuck with it's refs!
B.A.
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155.10 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | Flunk me? Flunk HIM! | Fri May 24 1991 21:09 | 5 |
| Ga Tech.
America's
Charlatan
Champs.
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155.11 | Our choice! | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Welcome to the Queen City! | Fri May 24 1991 21:44 | 10 |
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Ga.Tech
America's
Choice for
Champs....
How's that? :*)
B.A.
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155.12 | WELCOME TO "DEATH VALLEY" | RAVEN1::J_REID | | Fri May 24 1991 23:40 | 26 |
| What is the big fuss about Georiga Tech. They finally had a good
record. Don't you think it was about time. Everybody is due a good
season sooner or later.
O.k. Tech fans, I know it felt good being "co" National Champions.
But I will tell you this much. It feels alot better being
THE NATIONAL CHAMPION
I know because I am a Tiger fan!!!!!!
As for Dick Sheridan being the best coach in the Country.
B.A. you must think ol Dick still coaches at Furman. 1-AA
What has he done any better than any other coach since he
been coaching in the ACC?
As for Virginia, they're history since the old Moore boys
are gone to the NFL. I feel sorry for Virginia this year.
I said it before and I'll say it again,
Clemson ACC and National Champs!!!
J.R.
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155.13 | Who did you buy your tickets from? | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Welcome to the Queen City! | Fri May 24 1991 23:54 | 15 |
155.14 | RALLY IN THE VALLEY!! | RAVEN1::J_REID | | Sat May 25 1991 00:47 | 23 |
| Well B.A., What good is coach of the year if he can't win the
ACC Championship.
Talk about El zippo! That's exactly how many ACC Championships
he has won.
J.R.
P.S. How many National Championships has North Carolina State won
in Football?
EL ZIPPO!!
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155.15 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Welcome to the Queen City! | Sat May 25 1991 00:49 | 6 |
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How many did Clemsuck PAY for..1..and then they paid for that! Can
you say P R O B A T I O N ???? You should! They've been on it enough
times! What a loser they are...
B.A.
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155.16 | Round one, cheap-shot city | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue May 28 1991 12:47 | 7 |
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Now that the ACC folks are doing a great job of tearing each other to
shreds, the rest of us can return to our regularly scheduled programs,
which is to say *major* college football...
glenn
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155.17 | Bubba and Jethro are at it again | SHALOT::HUNT | Bill, those are historical babes ... | Tue May 28 1991 13:25 | 7 |
| Sigh. Somewhere out there in that vast empty wilderness, there
really are ACC football fans who can engage in meaningful and
rational conversations using lots of interesting polysyllabic words.
Somewhere ...
Bob Hunt
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155.18 | | ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSY | MrT: SPORTS' objective analyst | Tue May 28 1991 14:13 | 9 |
| Speaking a intelligent rational conversations, a question to axe:
Do any a the ACC "football" squads plan to play
a top-tier Div. I grid squad this year or is it
gonna be another pussy flexing exercise like last
time around when you all perpetrated that fraud
that came unravelled on New Year's Day?
Big10 Tom
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155.19 | Yep! | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Welcome to the Queen City! | Tue May 28 1991 18:48 | 11 |
155.20 | AN OLD SOUTHERN WHIPPIN!! | RAVEN1::J_REID | | Tue May 28 1991 19:11 | 6 |
| Hey little 10 Tom,
CLEMSON 30
ILLINOIS 0
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155.21 | JUST THE FACTS OF LIFE!! | RAVEN1::OGLESBY | | Tue May 28 1991 20:36 | 7 |
| Looking at this from an objective view point, The ACC seems to be
on a trend upward, while The Big Ten seems to be going downward
fast with just a bunch of average teams. This is due to more talent
coming out of High School in the South.
BIG "O"
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155.22 | T cain't haing! | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Dover and over and over! | Tue May 28 1991 23:59 | 8 |
155.23 | | CAM::WAY | The last full measure of devotion... | Wed May 29 1991 11:52 | 10 |
| > How many of the Bigget10 teams won their repsected bowel? The ACC
> only lost 1 I'm proud to say! Thank You!.
Respected bowel? Gee, would that be Colonel Colon, or His Honor the Intestine?
Which bowel did the ACC lose? Don't tell me that one of the coaches had
a hunk o' his intestine removed?
many 8^)
'Saw
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155.24 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Dover and over and over! | Wed May 29 1991 21:07 | 7 |
155.25 | Shhh, not so loud, we're still countin' the cash | SHALOT::HUNT | Bill, those are historical babes ... | Wed May 29 1991 21:14 | 13 |
| B.A.,
If you don't mind, please don't bring up last year's Sugar Bowl for
discussion in here.
My beloved Wahoos were last year's biggest bowl sluts as they raked
in megabucks and didn't really deserve the Sugar Bowl bid.
I was pleased by their gutsy performance against a bigger and better
Tennessee team but the Sugar Bowl people paid dearly in bad publicity
for inviting the Cavaliers before they really should have.
Bob Hunt
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155.26 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Dover and over and over! | Wed May 29 1991 21:53 | 4 |
| re-1,
sorry! I'll be wery,wery wuite!
B.A.
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155.27 | FREE-LOADING LIKE USUAL!! | RAVEN1::J_REID | | Wed May 29 1991 21:57 | 6 |
| Don't feel to bad Mr. Hunt, The only megabucks Virginia will get
this year is the money Clemson will have to share with them and
the rest of the ACC, when they win the National Championship.
J.R.
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155.28 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Dover and over and over! | Wed May 29 1991 22:16 | 8 |
155.29 | Did someone say "P-R-O-B-A-T-I-O-N"?? | RAVEN1::OGLESBY | | Wed May 29 1991 22:51 | 10 |
| I'm not really a big Clemson fan, but I must admit Clemson beats
quality teams from around the Country year in and year out in
quality bowl games. Unlike N.C. State or should I say B.A. State,
who go to TOILET bowls and struggle.
BTW, As far as paying off the NCAA, no one does it better than
Jimmy "THE CROOK" Valvano.
BIG"O"
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155.30 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Dover and over and over! | Wed May 29 1991 23:34 | 8 |
155.31 | RALLEY IN THE VALLEY!! | RAVEN1::J_REID | | Wed May 29 1991 23:51 | 9 |
| .30 At least I know where my money goes...
Yeah, we know B.A.
A loser.
J.R.
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155.32 | Bring him on! | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Dover and over and over! | Thu May 30 1991 00:17 | 10 |
155.33 | ralley in the valley | RAVEN1::J_REID | | Thu May 30 1991 01:40 | 10 |
| Seems to me that Hatefield is already up 1-0 against Sheridan and
his Wolfpunks.
One more thing, If Hatefield can keep a team in the SWC clean, where
it seemed just about every other team was on probation at one time
or another he certainly will have no problem keeping Clemson clean,
and on top.
J.R.
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155.34 | Have mercy on the criminal (But not on BobHunt) | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Thu May 30 1991 16:38 | 22 |
| > If you don't mind, please don't bring up last year's Sugar Bowl for
> discussion in here.
Why, cause you've been so kindhearted when other folks favorite schools
get beat in big games?! Sorry Ketch, but no mercy from me.
- ACC Chris
VIRGINA LOST!!!!!! HAW HAW! HEH HEH! HA HA! HO HO!!!
YUP, THEY REALLY SIPPED THE BIG 'UN!!!! BIG-TIME CHOKE JOB!!!!
VIRGINIA, ...... LOST. (AND IN A BIG WAY, TOO.)
SAY, WEREN'T VIRGINIA THE #1 TEAM IN THE COUNTRY FOR AWHILE BEFORE
FOLDING UP SHOP??? YUP, SURE WERE!!!!!
PSSST. DID YOU HERE THAT VIRGINIA LOST IN A NEW YEARS DAY BOWL GAME
THAT THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE EVEN BEEN INVITED TO?! YUP, SURE 'NUF!!!!
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155.35 | ACC has done well in cleaning up with what's left over... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Thu May 30 1991 16:46 | 21 |
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Clemson *usually* beats other conferences' runners-up and also-rans in
the ACC's home bowl, the Florida Citrus, or some other secondary bowl
(Gator, Independence, etc.). It's rare indeed that an ACC team gets
to see the Orange, Sugar, or Cotton and face off against another
conference champion.
Short of undefeated seasons like Georgia Tech's last year or Clemson's
in 1981, I expect the situation will remain pretty much the same until
the ACC teams come out of their holes and start playing better
opponents, where they can get some much-needed national exposure from
the tube.
Didn't I read recently that the new Big East, the ACC, the Big-8 (I
think), and Notre Dame (another new conference consisting of one
member) were talking about teaming up in a rotating bowl system
designed to further muddle the national championship picture come
January 2?
glenn
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155.36 | Been holdin' that one in for a while, eh, Soup ??? | SHALOT::HUNT | Bill, those are historical babes ... | Thu May 30 1991 17:38 | 42 |
| Good one, Soup. Musta felt good for you.
Of course, you did conveniently ignore the simple fact that I was not
referring to the Wahoos' actual performance in the game itself
against Tennessee. No, I was referring to the fact that the Sugar
Bowl Committee shot itself in the foot by inviting them way too early
and that the Hoos then did the Bowl Slut Boogie down Bourbon Street.
But, on the field where it counts, Tennessee was a 6 point favorite
over the Wahoos in the Sugar Bowl. The Hoos ran all over the Vols in
the first half much to Michaels' and Dierdorf's astonishment. The
Hoos then hung on until the bitter end when the vastly bigger, more
talented, and much healthier Vols scored a last-second TD to win by a
single point which, of course, made the Wahoos the betting winners in
Las Vegas.
The Wahoos then actually jumped *UP* quite a few notches in the final
post-season polls based on their gutty but, yes, futile effort in New
Orleans. The Wahoos outplayed the Vols all the way until the
disappointing end and got quite a bit of praise and recognition for
it. They actually redeemed not only themselves but the Sugar Bowl
Committee, too, for its' ill-advised early invitation.
Let's contrast that particular non-excellent loss with someone
else's. Let's see now, who else do we know who was a 6 point
favorite but failed to cover ??? The Tar Heel hoopsters, of course,
not only failed to cover their 6 point spread over Kansas but they
lost the game outright.
So, if you really want to enjoy that woodie of yours, go right ahead.
The sad truth about the Mighty Choker still awaits you after you've
cleaned it all up.
Bottom line ...
Am I satisfied with the Hoos' Sugar Bowl loss ??? No way.
Am I satisfied with their effort ??? Way.
Can you say the same thing about the Baby Blue Gagjobs ??? I
sincerely doubt it. So stroke it if you must, dude.
Bob Hunt
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155.37 | ACC News... | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Dover and over and over! | Thu May 30 1991 19:36 | 12 |
| News...
The yahoos are under investigation for too many football
scholarships....the great and all mighty NCAA is looking into it.
A couple of Tech players have been arrested for stealing cars in
Fla...and two other players were arrested for something else(?) sorry I
forgot what it was...
Looks like fun time in the NCAA court room!
B.A.
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155.38 | More on Wahoo scholarship snafu | SHALOT::HUNT | Dust. Wind. Dude. | Fri May 31 1991 15:05 | 32 |
155.39 | 95 scholarships for an 11 on 11 game. Unreal. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri May 31 1991 16:29 | 16 |
| Sounds like UVa is "over-recruiting". You see this alot among the
unscrupulous types like Valvano (Clemson does this all the time too)
where you've only got 15 scholarships to dish out. Basically a kid
signs, doesn't pan out, and you yank his scholarship a year or three
down the road, when you've got the next HS superstar ready to sign.
(Dean never does this, BTW. In fact, last year was the first year
EVER that he reached his scholarship limit, and he's on record as
saying it's the last time he'll ever do it. Too many players and
not enough PT to go around, and Dean doesn't discard players like
yesterdays newspaper like many others ...)
HTH,
- ACC Chris
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155.40 | C'mon Soup, you don't know that | SHALOT::HUNT | Dust. Wind. Dude. | Fri May 31 1991 16:50 | 25 |
| Soup, I was very careful not to draw any premature conclusions about
this Wahoo scholarship thing. What I read gave no indication why
the kid's scholarship was rescinded. None at all.
You don't exactly peg on the SPORTS Objectivity Meter when you jump
to hasty conclusions like this. You make an accusation of something
you decide to call "over-recruiting" and then you set the belief that
it's somehow unscrupulous and against the NCAA rules just because
Snuff doesn't do whatever it is you're calling it.
I admit that I don't know the NCAA rules on this. If there is such
a thing as "over-recruiting" and there are rules against it and if
this is such a case, then Virginia deserves a penalty. If not, then
it doesn't. Simple.
And until the truth behind the reason why the kid lost his
scholarship comes out (if it ever does), I'm going to prefer to
remain silent and refrain from guessing at what actually happened
beyond a simple conclusion that it was an innocent red tape snafu.
Bob Hunt
P.S. And you're right, Snuff doesn't run his excess players off the
team prematurely when he gets tired of them ... they run away from
him first.
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155.41 | Correct, I don't know. (But chances are I'm right :^)) | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri May 31 1991 17:13 | 35 |
| > You don't exactly peg on the SPORTS Objectivity Meter when you jump
> to hasty conclusions like this.
Strong words coming from someone whose subjective attacks on Dean
are legendary. ('Specially when addressed to someone whose *OBJECTIVE*
rebuttals are equally famous!)
> I admit that I don't know the NCAA rules on this. If there is such
> a thing as "over-recruiting" and there are rules against it and if
> this is such a case, then Virginia deserves a penalty.
There most definitely are rules against this. You've got a limited
number of scholarships to work with. Exceeding that limit is a giant
no-no. Most of your shaddy dealers out there
(Sutton,Valvano,Tarkanian,Driesell) work around the problem with ease,
simply pulling in the reigns on a scholarship. (I believe mutual
consent is needed for this to happen. The move "One on One" did
a good portrayal of this. Robbie whats_his_name was asked to give back
his scholarship, but refused.)
> P.S. And you're right, Snuff doesn't run his excess players off the
> team prematurely when he gets tired of them ... they run away from
> him first.
Ooooo, low blow Ketch. The number of kids who transfer away from a
program *is* significant, IMO, and should be information made available
to an incoming freshman. Dean's track record is quite good. The
number of players that have transferred away from UNC is small. This
may be the first time ever we've lost two in one season. (One of 'em
doesn't really count, if rumors surrounding Kenny Harris' academic
failings are correct.)
- ACC Chris
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155.42 | More ... | SHALOT::HUNT | Dust. Wind. Dude. | Fri May 31 1991 17:29 | 19 |
155.43 | Of Hired Guns and Scholarship Violations ... | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri May 31 1991 17:36 | 9 |
| > I confess that I really don't know why you do this.
When the facts are staying me right in the face and all it takes is a
little 'Sports Commentary' to enlighten the masses, I'm more than happy
to do so. My track record is 100% so far, so maybe I'm getting a
little trigger happy ...
- ACC Chris
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155.44 | | ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSY | MrT: SPORTS' Objective Analyst | Sat Jun 01 1991 13:37 | 21 |
| Bob, my friend, I think you cain breath easy cuz we're gonna give
UVA a clean beal a health on this unfortunate snafu:
1. UVA tries to do the right thing for scholar-athlete.
2. Innocent mix-up ensues.
3. End of story.
In a game where kids with tore up knees are shown the gate I think
UVA is to be commended for helping a young main like this. Kudos!
As for YOU, ACC Chris [sic], if what you say is true and you're
experimenting with objective noting nowadays I suggest that you direct
your muckracking impulses to the local ACC grid squad, Tech, where in
the course a one weekend half the squad got caught up in burglaries,
brawls, and other assorted skulduggery. Or maybe focus in on Chapel
Hell (I know you've never been there but you cain find it on the map,
it's just down the road from Duke or State, which are much easier to
locate) and there you will find a grid program rife with armed robbery,
shootings, crack haids and convicts. Enjoy!
MrT
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155.45 | | ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSY | MrT: SPORTS' Objective Analyst | Wed Jun 05 1991 18:26 | 5 |
| See what I tolt' ya, Bob, my friend?
Blew right over. All you needed was my imprimitaur.
MrT
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155.46 | Thanks, dude | SHALOT::HUNT | Dust. Wind. Dude. | Wed Jun 05 1991 18:55 | 7 |
| You are The One, The True Master, The Be-All-And-The-End-All.
All hail, T.
Now if we could only get you home from Norfolk ... :-) :-)
Bob Hunt
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155.47 | | ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSY | MrT: SPORTS' Objective Analyst | Wed Jun 05 1991 18:59 | 11 |
| No, thank YOU, dude. You've done some wonderful work in here lately
and I don't mind heaping much deserved praise, and assistance, on
you however I may. With Michael, James, and Sam in the Finals it's
no wonder ACCrisp would be unfairly persecuting you on a silly little
technicality.
Keep up the good, no, excellent!, work, dude. You are one wonderful,
productive, objective, sensible, likable, and *very* impressive sports
analyst!
MrT
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155.48 | WELCOME TO THE TERROR DOME | RAVEN1::OGLESBY | | Wed Jun 05 1991 23:39 | 12 |
| Please Please guys you're making me sic!!
I think you guys should look into the mirror
and do a reality check,because I think you've
had a few to many bumps on the head.
BTW how many players does UVA and Indiana
have in the NBA Finals?
Oh I fogot wrong note!!!
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155.49 | Schools in session! | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Take me to the point> | Wed Jun 05 1991 23:58 | 14 |
155.50 | | ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSY | MrT: SPORTS' Objective Analyst | Thu Jun 06 1991 02:13 | 6 |
| Git 'em B.A. !!
That lat note you resembled Dale doin' his bump and run move to
the checkered flag.
MrT
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155.51 | No way! | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Take me to the point> | Thu Jun 06 1991 18:00 | 8 |
155.52 | news... | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Take me to the point> | Thu Jun 06 1991 23:55 | 14 |
| News....
Clemson football player Arthur Bussie Jr. was arrested for simple
assault during a weekend accident.
Former Clemson football player Gary Cooper was injured in a two car
accident on Ga. Tuesday afternoon. Cooper is being charged with two
counts of vehicular homicide, driving on the wrong side of the road,and
driving under the influence. KILLED in the accident were Gladys
Ralston(60) of Ga, and Valence Aker(19) of Ga.
Just can't seem to get things right...
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155.53 | | GENRAL::WADE | IBeenDrivinAllNight...MyHandsWetOnTheWheel | Wed Jun 12 1991 16:30 | 6 |
|
B.A.,
How do you accidentally assault someone simply? Deen to wonk!
Claybone
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155.54 | More... | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Poconose no boundries! | Wed Jun 12 1991 18:02 | 9 |
155.55 | Uh oh! :*( | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Going on a beach trip! | Tue Jun 25 1991 01:09 | 11 |
|
BAD NEWS...for us Pack fans.....
Seems Dick Sheridan got himself into a little trouble over the
winter...Seems he getting a D.I.V.O.R.C.E. from his wife! Seems he was
C.A.U.G.H.T. with a pretty young girl from the campus...Seems the State
administrators don't W.A.N.T. this kind of thing going on...Seems we
may be looking for a N.E.W. football coach...Seems to me...we're in
trouble!....
B.A._looking_for_better_news!
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155.56 | | CAM::WAY | Toonces, the Rugby Playing Cat.... | Tue Jun 25 1991 10:58 | 6 |
| Look on the bright side:
At least the young girl wasn't his sister or his cousin!
8^)
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155.57 | either one quaranteed to cheer you up... | SMARTT::CHILDS | I want your pain untouched, unstained | Tue Jun 25 1991 11:02 | 10 |
|
BA two options
1. take 3 vacation days next week get 5 days off with pay...
2. work three days next week get 5 days pay....
personally I'm taking option 1...
mike
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155.58 | | FSOA::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Tue Jun 25 1991 12:01 | 4 |
| Once again, the ACC football teams play more non-Division 1A games than
any other conference in the country.
John
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155.59 | Hell, let's dump it in the ACC note | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue Jun 25 1991 12:07 | 20 |
|
> At least the young girl wasn't his sister or his cousin!
How can you be so sure, 'Saw? ;-)
Seriously, I've just about heard it all in the world of college
athletics. We've also got Miami being investigated because some guy on
the athletic staff was selling phony financial aid applications, bringing
in thousands in federal grants to the players involved, for $85 a pop to
feed his cocaine habit (even the ulterior motive has to be something
sinister these days). For the life of him, Sam Jankovich can't fathom
how something like this could go on inside the financial aid system
right under his nose. Right, Sam. You may not have known what was
going on, but let's not kid ourselves about is or is not feasible in
the domain of admissions/aid for athletes. We've seen and heard it
all...
glenn
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155.60 | Same story as lasted year | SHALOT::HUNT | Dust. Wind. Dude. | Tue Jun 25 1991 12:10 | 14 |
155.61 | ACC Football is on the rise, without question. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Jun 25 1991 12:19 | 13 |
| > Once again, the ACC football teams play more non-Divison 1A games
> than any other conference in the country.
How many conferences are we talking about here? Does this include
Florida State in the equation?
And even if it is true, consider:
o What Ketch said
o We make up for it in hoops
- ACC Chris
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155.62 | Just how long has the ACC been Division 1-A, anyway? | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue Jun 25 1991 12:19 | 24 |
|
> Which illustrates, once again, that the ACC's football schedules were
> drawn up 5 to 10 years ago.
> If there is an active campaign within the ACC to toughen its schools'
> football schedules, we won't see the results of it for a few years
> yet to come. Personally, I hope such an effort is underway.
That's a big *if*. What evidence exists to show that things are indeed
changing? I don't think the excuse holds water anymore anyway because
the ACC was producing some strong teams as early as the late 70's and
Clemson won a national championship in 1981. Shouldn't they have
already made the next big step up by now?
> They'll all get a lot tougher nexted year when the Seminoles are
> dialed into the picture.
Which to the purists means only that Florida State will start playing
a much easier schedule, a net zero to major college football fans. The
rest of the conference needs to pull itself up or they run the risk of
being dominated by FSU year in and year out.
glenn
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155.63 | Just trying to help... | SHALOT::MEDVID | the addiction of duplicities | Tue Jun 25 1991 12:26 | 11 |
| > <<< Note 155.61 by RHETT::KNORR "Carolina Blue" >>>
> -< ACC Football is on the rise, without question. >-
For those of you who want this translated, it means that the ACC
obviously must have recruited most of the top 200 players in the
country recently because, by Chris' own admission, recruiting is
everything. Thus, the conference is on the rise and others are in
decline.
--dan'l
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155.64 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Dances with Sheep | Tue Jun 25 1991 16:41 | 7 |
| I'm aghast about the Miami news. I thought they were all just pooor
misguided youths picked on by the media...
Re Sheridan. Oh well - he can become one of MIami's assistant
coaches..
JD
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155.65 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Going on a beach trip! | Tue Jun 25 1991 18:15 | 15 |
|
Re-several...
I opted for the first one...
As for the ACC in Feetball...The SEC has ALWAYS been a powerhouse
in feetball..the ACC in basketball...The South Rules! Anyways...the
ACC is getting it's program together...by getting a school like
Fla.State into the conference...and with Clemson's past bowl success's
the ACC WILL be a conference to contend with! Add with Va..State and
Ga.Tech...which all were in bowl games lasted(tm) year..this year will
bring even more respect to the basketball conference!
B.A.
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155.66 | It's in the accent! | LAGUNA::MAY_BR | Charter member of Quoteaholics Anonymous | Wed Jun 26 1991 00:01 | 11 |
| So 5-10 years ago Clemson thought that Furman and St. Soosie's Scool
for Sisters of Ill Repute might be Div 1-A?? It's not like there is an
awful lot of movement between 1-A and the lower divisions from season
to season. I can buy the excuse when scheduling within Div 1-A, but
not outside of it.
Anyone else notice that all the schools with problems seem to come from
the South or somewhere nearby where they have one of those twangy
accents?
Bruce
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155.67 | | SHALOT::MEDVID | Boogies With Beavers | Wed Jun 26 1991 12:47 | 6 |
| > Anyone else notice that all the schools with problems seem to come from
> the South or somewhere nearby where they have one of those twangy
> accents?
You mean like Notre Dame, Pitt, Minessota, etc.?
|
155.68 | Comments like this we can do without | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Wed Jun 26 1991 13:08 | 9 |
| > Anyone else notice that all the schools with problems seem to come from
> the South or somewhere nearby where they have one of those twangy
> accents?
Care to back this up with any facts, or are gross stereotypes
good enough?
- ACC Chris
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155.69 | You can start with the entire SWC minus Rice, right? | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Wed Jun 26 1991 18:45 | 13 |
|
> -< Comments like this we can do without >-
Oh, knock it off, Chris, your beloved North Carolina wasn't left out;
they're going through their own little educational scandal with the
football program, right?
It's a stereotype, but if someone ran the numbers based on probations
or other criteria over the last ten years I'll bet the assertion holds
up...
glenn
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155.70 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Lindy's with Lambs | Wed Jun 26 1991 19:02 | 4 |
| I concur with Glenn - after all Chris you've never had any problem
stereotyping 'liberals' and the like, now have you.
JD
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155.71 | | DASXPS::TIMMONS | I'm a Pepere! | Thu Jun 27 1991 10:16 | 3 |
| Dan'l, Notre Dame IS in SOUTH Bend, right? :*)
lEe
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155.72 | Update on ACC football | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | It's time 2 pull out of the pack! | Thu Jul 11 1991 22:31 | 37 |
| Here is the projected finish of the ACC football season by "Game Plan"
preview...
1.Clemson
2.Ga.Tech
3.N.Carolina
4.N.C.S.U.
5.Virginia
6.Maryland
7.Duke
8.Wake Forest
Clemson is returning 51 lettermen and losing 22. Starters returning
are 7 on the offense and 5 pn the defense.
Ga.Tech is returning 52 lettermen and losing 24. Starters returning
are 7 on the offense and 9 on defense.
U.N.C is returning 45 lettermen and losing 10. Starters returning
are 10 on offense and 10 on defense.
N.C.State is returning 62 lettermen and losing 21. Starters
returning are 9 on offense and 6 on defense.
Virginia is returning 42 lettermen and losing 26. Starters returning
are 4 on offense and 4 on defense
Maryland is returning 39 lettermen and losing 15. Starters
returning are 6 offense and 8 defense.
Duke is returning 50 lettermen and losing 14. Starters returning
are 7 offense and 11 defense.
Wake Forest is returning 48 lettermen and losing 17. Starters
returning are 8 offense and 10 defense.
B.A.
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155.73 | ACC Football 1991 | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Tal-la-dega is the place to be! | Tue Jul 23 1991 00:47 | 116 |
| Here's the 1991 ACC Football Schedule
Clemson
Sept 7 Appalachian St
Sept 21 Temple
Sept 28 Ga.Tech
Oct 5 at Georgia
Oct 12 Virginia
Oct 26 N.C.State
Nov 2 Wake Forest
Nov 9 at N.Carolina
Nov 16 Maryland
Nov 23 at S.Carolina
Nov 30 Duke
Duke
Sept 7 at S.Carolina
Sept 14 Rutgers
Sept 21 Colgate
Sept 28 at Virginia
Oct 5 Vanderbilt
Oct 26 at Maryland
Nov 2 Ga.tech
Nov 9 at Wake Forest
Nov 16 N.Carolina St.
Nov 23 at N.Carolina
Nov 30 Clemson
Georgia Tech
Aug 28 Penn St.
Sept 14 at Boston College
Sept 19 Virginia
Sept 28 at Clemson
Oct 5 at N.C.State
Oct 12 Maryland
Oct 19 at S.Carolina
Oct 26 N.Carolina
Nov 2 at Duke
Nov 9 Furman
Nov 16 Wake Forest
Nov 30 Georgia
Maryland
Sept 7 Virginia
Sept 14 Syracuse
Sept 21 W.Virginia
Oct 5 at Pittsburgh
Oct 12 at Ga.Tech
Oct 19 At Wake Forest
Oct 26 Duke
Nov 2 at N.Carolina
Nov 9 Penn St.
Nov 16 at Clemson
Nov 23 at N.C.State
North Carolina
Sept 14 Cincinnati
Sept 21 at Army
Sept 28 at N.C.State
Oct 5 William and Mary
Oct 12 Wake Forest
Oct 19 at Virginia
Oct 26 at Ga.Tech
Nov 2 Maryland
Nov 9 Clemson
Nov 16 S.Carolina
Nov 23 Duke
N.C.State
Sept 7 Virginia Tech
Sept 14 Kent St.
Sept 21 at Wake Forest
Sept 28 N.Carolina
Oct 5 Ga.Tech
Oct 19 Marshall
Oct 26 at Clemson
Nov 2 at S.Carolina
Nov 9 Virginia
Nov 16 at Duke
Nov 23 Maryland
Virginia
Sept 7 at Maryland
Sept 14 Navy
Sept 19 at Ga.Tech
Sept 28 Duke
Oct 5 Kansas
Oct 12 at Clemson
Oct 19 N.Carolina
Oct 26 Wake Forest
Nov 2 VMI
Nov 9 at N.C.State
Nov 23 Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
Sept 14 Western Carolina
Sept 21 at N.C.State
Sept 28 at Northwestern
Oct 5 App.St.
Oct 12 at N.Carolina
Oct 19 Maryland
Oct 26 at Virginia
Nov 2 at Clemson
Nov 9 Duke
Nov 16 at Ga.Tech
Nov 23 at Navy
B.A.
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155.74 | tip o' the hat | HBAHBA::HAAS | Saint Frank and the Magic Cow | Tue Jul 23 1991 12:18 | 3 |
| Thanks, B.A.
TTom
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155.75 | | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Jul 23 1991 12:29 | 5 |
| Good effort thare, B.A. Looks like Carolina should start out 4-0,
assuming we can beat NC Skate in week 3.
- ACC Chris
|
155.76 | No way! | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Tal-la-dega is the place to be! | Tue Jul 23 1991 17:58 | 8 |
| re-1,
Reverse it Chris and you will have the correct start! :*)
Looking forward to a great year of the pack!
B.A.
|
155.77 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Clay Earl has a track! | Wed Sep 18 1991 17:52 | 11 |
| What's on tap for this weekend...
Clemson at home against Tulane
Duke at home against Colgate
Ga.Tech at home against Virginia (Thursday)
Maryland at home against West Virginia
U.N.C away at Army
N.C.State away at Wake Forest
B.A.
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155.78 | giving it a whirl | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Wed Sep 18 1991 18:02 | 25 |
| Hell, B.A, I forgot this topic existed. I've been Notin' in 17 for what
seems like years.
I'll take a stab:
> Clemson at home against Tulane
It's Tempole but still it should be Clemson in a major blowout.
> Duke at home against Colgate
Colgate ain't no Rutgers so this should be a no contest. Duke.
> Ga.Tech at home against Virginia (Thursday)
The Hapless Hoos get institutionally beaten. Ga Tech by 14.
> Maryland at home against West Virginia
Maryland will be glad it's not Syracuse and will reek revenge on
the weak Mountaneers (how bad is So Carolina?)
> U.N.C away at Army
No real test. No Carolina much quicker. Another by 14, at least.
> N.C.State away at Wake Forest
Wake always plays State close. Close game, State by a FG.
TTom
|
155.79 | picks | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Clay Earl has a track! | Wed Sep 18 1991 19:19 | 26 |
155.80 | ACC Tonight! | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Thu Sep 19 1991 10:55 | 13 |
| This year's Ga Tech-Virginia game will be a step down in significance
from last's year's game when the Hoos were ranked No. 1 and and Ga Tech
No. 16.
There's also a couple of key injuries. All-American ken Swilling will not
be playing for the Jackets. Matt Blundin, UVa's starting quarterback will
also miss the game. Bobby Goodman will continue. He finished the Navy
game.
But Shawn Jones will definitely be there for Tech and that'll be more
than Virginia can handle.
TTom
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155.81 | Horrible coaching | SHALOT::HUNT | Rumblin', bumblin', stumblin' ... | Fri Sep 20 1991 03:54 | 56 |
| I assume your condolences are for the just concluded Ga Tech 24-21
victory over Virginia.
What a pisser. Now I'm really torqued at George Welsh.
I've been sitting here so far this season trying to get used to the
painful fact that the Hoos truly shot their bolt lasted year and that
they're going to have to ... sigh ... rebuild.
And, yes, it didn't feel good seeing a double digit spread on this
game. I didn't think Tech was that much better than the Hoos but
they are the defending co-mythicals so I guess I just had to suck on
it.
So, Tech scores on a 70+ yard bomb on their first play and I'm
thinking ... Aw, crap, here comes the blowout. Hmmm, wonder what's
on HBO ???
But, no, they climb back in it and play a really tough game. Second
string QB Bobby Goodman throws three TD passes, his last one with an
injured shoulder. And this last one caps off a 95-yard drive with
the clock draining. Now I'm getting pumped. Score is now 21-20
and I'm thinking ... "C'mon Hoos, stick it to 'em. They tormented us
lasted year and now it's our turn ... go for 2 and beat 'em on their
own damn field right here on ESPN."
So what do we see ??? We see George Welsh holding up 1 finger and
the kicking team on the field. I can't believe it !!! He's going
for the tie *again* !!! He did the same thing lasted year and then
walked off the field a 3 point loser with 2 TO's still in his pocket.
Kick is up, it's good and we're tied at 21-21. I'm speechless.
No, this can't be happening again. Not twice in a row with the same
ending. Say it isn't so, Joe. Sure enough. Kick off to Tech and
they've got about a minute and a half to go maybe 50 or 60 yards and
set up a FG.
And Welsh has three TO's in his pocket and doesn't call a single one
of them until Tech has marched all the way to the 15 and has sent
Kevin Sisson (yes, the *same* kicker as lasted year) on to the field
for a chip shot 32 yarder with 3 seconds left. Snap, thump, up,
good, whistle. 24-21 Tech and the Hoos *AGAIN* walk off the field a
3-point loser with 2 timeouts left.
What a waste of a truly gutsy effort. Strange field, raw
quarterback, heavy underdog and to fight for it all that time and
then to have a chickensheet coach make the exact same gutless
decision that cost him a national title is just a little too much to
forgive.
I've had it. Totally inexcusable. I hope his britches are toasty
warm after this one. I'd love to be a reporter in C'ville writing
tonight's story. I'd ream Welsh but good. Terrible, terrible
coaching. Dean's kinda guy.
Bob Hunt
|
155.82 | Welsh Teched | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Fri Sep 20 1991 10:49 | 15 |
| > -< Horrible coaching >-
Bob, if you hadn't said it, someone else woulda. This is college. You're
supposed to go for it. It ain't like the Hoos had made a valiant comeback
from way behind and tie would feel good. Or another way to look at it is
without the 4 TOs by Ga Tech, they wouldn't have even been in it. So you
gotta go for the win. And then the soft defense. Welsh didn't give his
team a chance to win at the end.
But hey, things are looking a little better for UVa. Goodman looked good
on a couple of good runs and tossed a couple of TDs. Bob, who's that 82
that looks like Herman Moore. Tall! Fast! (of was the Techster just short
and slow).
TTom
|
155.83 | | CAM::WAY | ForeverWare: Lasts a lifetime | Fri Sep 20 1991 10:57 | 11 |
| >But hey, things are looking a little better for UVa. Goodman looked good
>on a couple of good runs and tossed a couple of TDs. Bob, who's that 82
>that looks like Herman Moore. Tall! Fast! (of was the Techster just short
>and slow).
You mean Larry Holmes? (I watched some of the game) This guy made
a real pretty TD.
Took a short pass, made a cut, and then cut in the afterburner! Whew!
'Saw
|
155.84 | John's brother? | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Fri Sep 20 1991 11:33 | 3 |
| Larry Holmes? The Boxer. Unbelievable comeback.
TTom
|
155.85 | What's his major? | HPSRAD::RIEU | Read his lips...Know new taxes! | Fri Sep 20 1991 11:35 | 3 |
| You beat me to it Tom. It's a good thing Larry still had his
eligibility left eh?
Denny
|
155.86 | | CAM::WAY | ForeverWare: Lasts a lifetime | Fri Sep 20 1991 11:45 | 2 |
| That was the guy's name. Funny thing, he actually LOOKS a little bit like
the Boxer....
|
155.87 | I'm a sensitive guy, & that one really got to me! | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri Sep 20 1991 12:09 | 6 |
| re: 17.2005 (BobHunt tear-jerker)
Boo hoo!!! Sniff, sniff, sniff! Waaaa!!!!!!!!!
- ACC Chris
|
155.88 | Welsh didn't even have the undefeated record to protect | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Fri Sep 20 1991 12:22 | 12 |
|
BobHunt turns on George Welsh! Cain't believe it after all that praise
that came down last year for turning the program around!
I agree, though; Welsh might be a good coach but Bobby Ross has got
his number. Ross is a coaches' coach, a main's main. I didn't (and
still don't) believe that Georgia Tech had the credentials to deserve
the co-mythical last season, but it certainly didn't have anything to
do with the man pacing the sidelines...
glenn
|
155.89 | Welsh did turn UVA around - Time now to get some guts | SHALOT::HUNT | Rumblin', bumblin', stumblin' ... | Fri Sep 20 1991 13:36 | 43 |
155.90 | He's sinking into the mire a self-service. | ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSY | Carolina Blew | Fri Sep 20 1991 13:46 | 41 |
| re .2005
When I see tirades like that I wince at the mental image a a bunch a
big cigar-chomping alumni in a smokey oak-paneled boarunhappy in
tir unrequited thirst for school glory, giddy when things are going
well and shark-like when the kids, the innocent 19 year old kids, don't
feed the craven appetite that burns in these Pounce da Lions.
I axe you, Mr. Unhappy Oran Alumnus, to look back on what you yourself
did NOT do last year. The Cavs had followed the TV producer low road
to a totally ill-deserved #1 ranking, beating only other teams that
were themselves playing only tems with cupcake-gorging ""schedule."
But Welsh didn't step forward and say, "we haven't played a tested team
and we don't plan to, we should be rated somewhere between 10th and
20 cuz to rank us #1 is a slap in the face to the dignity of the game
of college grid."
But he didn't. And neither did you. Nor did the phonies making up
the allegedly co-mythical Titleist Yellowjackets, who taught the nation
to take the "mythical" in that term quite literally, ripping off tried
and tested true Titleist, thereby cheapening the college grid experience
for us all.
No, you sat there silent basking in the glow of artificial light so
fake that you are now burned to bruised lurid shade a orange. Why
didn't you? And why do you turn so suddenly now? Angry that Virginia
even dared to schedule the hugely overrated Tech, robbing you of a
chance to soak in more phoney glory?
Well, I'll tellya whatIU* woulda done, also coming from a dregs grid
program that has earned some measurrespectability of late: Bill
Mallory woulda said those words, "we're untested, overrated, bestow the
#1 mantle on some deserving squad," and Big10 Tom woulda stepped
forward in this file and admitted what waright and true.
But you didn't. And now you behave like a greedalum a a football
factory who strives to recapture some a his youth.
Big10 Tom
|
155.91 | Pass the cognac, Skip ??? | SHALOT::HUNT | Rumblin', bumblin', stumblin' ... | Fri Sep 20 1991 14:43 | 45 |
155.92 | | ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSY | Carolina Blew | Fri Sep 20 1991 14:55 | 9 |
| Little details don't spoil my right-on rhetoric, but they do yours.
The "little detail" that you deflect in such a_oily wa is that your
phoney-glory-hungry 'Leers decline to schedule a single credible
nonconference opponent. This tells the whole story, along with your
self-serving and dishonest silence on the matter, independent of the
low overall quality a Almost Close Conference grid.
Big10 Tom
|
155.93 | Funny stuff, T | SHALOT::HUNT | Rumblin', bumblin', stumblin' ... | Fri Sep 20 1991 15:44 | 23 |
155.94 | | ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSY | Carolina Blew | Fri Sep 20 1991 16:04 | 13 |
| The 'Liers unwillingness to schedule a tough nonconference opponent
is relevant to what I was addressing, which was how fantastically
overrated they were and how willing YOU were to bask in that repugnant
artificial glow - a poor decision on your part that has besmirched
your otherwise fine record as a_Objective Analyst.
It doesn't matter whether it's relevant to you moany-woany tirade on
Welsh's alleged poor game coaching, except that maybe they'd be tougher
in the clutch if they played anybody. But if they played a schedule then
they wouldn't ever have been top10 or, even more unbelievably, #1, now
would they?
MrT
|
155.95 | You've fought better fights than this, T | SHALOT::HUNT | Rumblin', bumblin', stumblin' ... | Fri Sep 20 1991 16:31 | 37 |
155.96 | Once again, BobHunt slithers past the facks... | ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSY | Carolina Blew | Fri Sep 20 1991 19:02 | 16 |
| >next time Indiana sucks it up like that on the playing field will be
>their first time some serious ages. But don't let that stop you from
>strutting you "woulda" chest.
You hurt me by mixing me up with ACCrock, *he* is the one who "struts
his chest," me, I PUFF my chest.
As for the Hoosiers, ain't no "woulda" cuz they already sucked it up
and marched the field in the final minutes against a_Auburn team that
spent half of last season ranked #2, and legitimately so. Btw, their
coach, Bill, went for the TD. Two games ago ain't a "seroius age" is
it? Also, IU got into that bowl game with teams like Michigan on their
schedule, and Michigan in turn got their ranking playing the likes a
Notre Dame...
Big10 Tom
|
155.97 | Knew he'd get the point eventually | SHALOT::HUNT | Rumblin', bumblin', stumblin' ... | Fri Sep 20 1991 19:43 | 13 |
155.98 | explication | ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSY | Carolina Blew | Fri Sep 20 1991 20:00 | 18 |
| I admit that I that I sought to divert from your point to the
glory-hungry cupcake-munching worst-ever #1 grid ranking and
your silent assent to that fraud.
All I wanted was for you to, just this once, admit the error
of your ways. I, for instance, cain freely admit that I commited
sacriliege in her when I operated my fraudulent "MrT B Gone" note
wherein I lied and snookered everybody into the assumption that
I was leaving the Company.
I feel terrible about that now. Oh sure, it wasn't as bad as a
fake contest or anything, and once again amounted to but another
innocent college prank, but I am main enough to admit the error
a my ways.
Why cain't you?
Big10 Tom
|
155.99 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Clay Earl has a track! | Fri Sep 20 1991 22:37 | 8 |
155.100 | Can anybody lend me a WardleShooter ??? | SHALOT::HUNT | Rumblin', bumblin', stumblin' ... | Mon Sep 23 1991 14:03 | 57 |
155.101 | | CSLALL::TIMMONS | I'm a Pepere! | Mon Sep 23 1991 15:07 | 9 |
| Bob, as coiner of the "Wardleshooter", I'm afraid I'll have to refuse
to allow you to use it. Whiplash and all that stuff, you see.
Anyhow, stick with your team. It doesn't matter what others think of
their schedule, they were anointed as No 1 and that can't be taken away
from them. Don't let anyone stick an imaginary asterisk next to them
in your memory bank.
Lee
|
155.102 | Showdown! | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Mon Sep 23 1991 15:27 | 25 |
| Sorry Ketch, but MorT's gotcha on this one. While UVa may not have
overtly plotted a weak schedule to earn a #1 ranking, you shoulda
bellied up in the Intellectual Honesty department and admitted they
didn't deserve the "1" rank. Unfortunately with college football being
in such sad_sack shape as it is (mythical champeens, no Tourney) this
kind_a honesty is absolutely essential, and you flunked in that
regard.
Huge one coming up this weekend in Raleigh folks, where State plays
host to Carolina. Neither team has lost, although neither team has
played anybody. This is the kind of game Mack Brown needs to win if he
wants to lay claim to a bowl game this year, but I'm not overly
optimistic. We're missing our AA l_backer, Dwight Hollier, and the
defense has given up quite a bit of yardage to some pretty miserable
opponents. On a postive note, Natrone Means is back and had close to
100 yards rushing against Army. Also QB Chuckie Burnette is finally
starting to show some ability and move the team both on the ground and
thru the air, albeit against weak opposition.
Go Heels!
- ACC Chris
|
155.103 | Sometimes I set my sights too high... | ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSY | Carolina Blew | Mon Sep 23 1991 15:45 | 8 |
| re .100
I reach out in my appeal to you and you spit vile bile in my face
and slap me upside de haid. I spent the weekend hoping fervidly
that my refreshing burst a honesty would incite the same in you,
and now this. Sigh.
Big10 Tom
|
155.104 | Mr Glass House Heaves Boulders Again | SHALOT::HUNT | Rumblin', bumblin', stumblin' ... | Mon Sep 23 1991 17:06 | 46 |
155.105 | Boo!, Bob. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Mon Sep 23 1991 17:16 | 18 |
| You miss the point Ketch. I'm personally not blaming Virginia for
their woeful schedule. Given their long_and_storied history of
ineptitude on the gridiron, it only makes sense.
What I *am* concerned about is your failure to step forward and
bravenly announce that Virginia didn't deserve the number 1 ranking, at
least until they'd beaten, say, Clemson and Georgia Tech.
With that in mind, here goes:
NORTH CAROLINA DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE RANKED IN THE TOP 25. *IF* WE
BEAT NC STATE SATURDAY THEN I'D SAY WE DESERVE, MAYBE, A TOP 25 RANK.
If only you'd been so honest last year, we coulda saved 1Way alot of
disk space ...
- ACC Chris
|
155.106 | One more thing ... | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Mon Sep 23 1991 17:21 | 11 |
| BTW Bob, your UNC hoops analogy is horrible. First, we *earned* our
Top 4 end-of-season ranking by playing one of the most rigorous
schedules in the USA, culminated by an ACC Championship. The East
region was loaded with top teams who, unfortunately [:^)], couldn't
meet the challenges of the often-tough early rounds. Obviously this
was no fault of Dean or UNC.
HTH,
- ACC Chris
|
155.107 | Your turn on the hot seat now, Soupster | SHALOT::HUNT | Rumblin', bumblin', stumblin' ... | Mon Sep 23 1991 17:36 | 31 |
155.108 | UNC had *CAKE* walk to Indy; You smiled all the way | SHALOT::HUNT | Rumblin', bumblin', stumblin' ... | Mon Sep 23 1991 17:40 | 6 |
155.109 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Gail and Leadville,A Miniseries! | Mon Sep 23 1991 18:02 | 20 |
| Boy, folks sure are reaching in here.
AccChris and MrT on the same side?
Chris *demanding* that Bob Hunt should have *denounced* the Cavs #1
ranking last year in football.
From my recollection, Bob Hunt *NEVER* went around 'strutting his
chest' when the Cavs were ranked #1. In fact, I remember a note that
basically said "I'm enjoying it while I can" - cuz Bob kind of expected
the Cinderella ride to end. And it did end. In a big way. Bob simply
sighed and thanked the Cavs for *finally* giving Hoo's fans something
to cheer about in the fall.
Big deal.
And Bob - you should know by now that *ALL* analogies are *horrible*
according to Soup. He uses the same line each and every time.
jd
|
155.110 | | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Mon Sep 23 1991 18:14 | 9 |
| Didn't say he shouldn't enjoy_it JD. Only said he shoulda said they
didn't deserve it until they actually went out and beat somebody good.
As regards Carolina football, they're in an appropriate position so
that *if* they should reach #1 they surely would've had to beat some
Big Boys along the way.
- ACC Chris
|
155.111 | This should be the end of it. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Mon Sep 23 1991 18:38 | 11 |
| Listen Bob, I hate to be the instigator of even *more* bad blood
between us, ['specially when it requires me to saddle-up with MrT ;^(]
so what_say you make public something you may already have. Namely,
that while you fully enjoyed Virginia's Number 1 ranking last year,
they were, in fact, wholly undeserving of the honor, given their very
poor strength-of-schedule.
Anxiously awaiting,
- ACC Chris
|
155.112 | Cleared your own plate yet, Soup ??? | SHALOT::HUNT | Rumblin', bumblin', stumblin' ... | Mon Sep 23 1991 18:59 | 19 |
| *ALL* of the relevant facts concerning the 1990 Virginia Cavaliers
football season are written in the record books and are now a matter
for the historians. So are my SPORTS comments on their season. I
enjoyed the Wahoos incredible and improbable rise to the top and I
plunged right along beside them in their inevitable death spiral.
*FACT* is they were ranked No. 1 by the nation's coaches and writers
for three whole weeks in October. *FACT* is I enjoyed all three
weeks. If you or anyone else wants to offer an _OPINION_ that those
three weeks weren't deserved, fine ... then take it up with the
experts who ranked them. I'm under no such obligation and have no
intention of letting that sour sentiment spoil the fond memories.
Get your sorry carcass back over to Note 17 and answer MrT's "Big
Four" questions and then discuss Snuff's title drought during the
entire Wooden Era like you said you would. And then maybe you can
ask someone for their comments on an issue.
Bob Hunt
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155.113 | Sometimes it's what you *don't* say that counts ... | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Mon Sep 23 1991 19:46 | 25 |
| > *FACT* is they were ranked No. 1 by the nation's coaches and writers
> for three whole weeks in October. *FACT* is I enjoyed all three
> weeks.
No one's denying these facts. But just as the world is condemning those
political leaders who remained silent during the Soviet coup (as opposed
to supporting the resistence), *we're* condeming you on *your*
silence while in the midst of this obvious injustice, 'specially considering
that you were the one honking the loudest about your serious reservations
about the Hoos ability to continue undefeated. We're left scratching
our heads about how you could be so concerned with even the weakest
of Virginia opponents, whilst failing to come out and admit that the #1
ranking was wholly undeserved.
> Get your sorry carcass back over to Note 17 and answer MrT's "Big
> Four" questions and then discuss Snuff's title drought during the
> entire Wooden Era like you said you would.
Nice deflection attempt Ketch, but no_can_comply. See, MrT has yet
to publish the Final 4 yet, despite *weeks* of bogus promises.
- ACC Chris
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155.114 | blame the voters | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Mon Sep 23 1991 19:58 | 17 |
| The way college football is currently constructed, if anyone has a
problem with any team being #1, they should take it up with the voters in
the poll. The AP is a bunch of writers. The UPI is a bunch of coaches.
This is approximately how we elect a president. Like the presidential
election, the 2 (or maybe more) contestants don't duke it out on the
field but determine "winner" and "loser" on the basis of the vote, which
is often uninformed.
That's where the playoff comes in. Currently, the major hurdle to a real
play-for-the-championship is the Rose Bowl which can take 1 or 2 of the
major players out of the loop. This year's Rose Bowl could be a kind of
de facto champeenship if Washington and Michigan continue their winning
ways. But then, what if Florida State of Miami go undefeated? I guess
it's back to the vote.
TTom
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155.115 | Wanted: One Grip. Ship to Atlanta, please. | SHALOT::HUNT | Rumblin', bumblin', stumblin' ... | Mon Sep 23 1991 20:03 | 24 |
155.116 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Gail and Leadville,A Miniseries! | Mon Sep 23 1991 20:18 | 12 |
| First of all - the 'we' who are scratching our haids - is that you and
MrT, Chris?
And, I asked a question over in 17 that you haven't answered.
"Do you think Dean Smith should have lead UNC to more than one Hoops
NCAA champeenship in the last 31 years?"
Such a simple question. I've asked it 3 times now in the last 2 years.
You've never answered it.
JD
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155.117 | What were you thinking, BobHunt? WE DEMAND_AN ANSWER!!!! | RHETT::KNORR | Graphics Workstation Support | Mon Sep 23 1991 22:06 | 21 |
| re: .115
I've got a firm grip Ketch, believe me, and I thought long and hard
before prosecuting my argument against you. *Only* because you were
being sneaky again was I forced to participate in this debate.
Now, if you'd simply admit that UVa did not deserve it's number 1 rank
last year we can be done with this whole thing. (BTW, please spare us
what the "experts" thought. We wanna know what *you* thought and,
assuming you didn't think they deserved it, (which is purty obvious)
why ya didn't say so.
re: .116
Yo, JD, quit cluttering up the ACC *Football* note with baskeetball
junk. BobHunt already called me on the carpet for doing this today,
and I humbly apologize and hope you'll do the same. :^(
- ACC Chris
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155.118 | 23 > 26 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Mon Sep 23 1991 23:10 | 12 |
| No Carolina puts their #26 NATIONAL RATING on the line at Carter-Finley
Saturday.
Chris, I suggest you post a bunch of disclaimers now and avoid the
grilling like that which you are *ATTEMPTING* to put on Bob Hunt, who
actually attended UVa.
I'll be the first to admit that beating the likes of Va Tech,
Kent-used-to-be-State, and Wake hardly makes for a #23 rating but that
background should be sufficient to beat the Tar Heels on the road.
TTom
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155.119 | UNC & State should be_a good one | RHETT::KNORR | Graphics Workstation Support | Mon Sep 23 1991 23:48 | 21 |
| > Chris, I suggest you post a bunch of disclaimers now and avoid the
> grilling like that which you are *ATTEMPTING* to put on Bob Hunt, who
> actually attended UVa.
Disclaimers about what? I think we're overrated in the Top 25 and I've
already publicly said so. If we were ranked #1 I'd be downright
kicking and screaming about how we're not deserving, what with an
absolutely worthless schedule. Contrast this with the way BobHunt
handled things lasted year, and ya start to get the picture of just how
sneaky he's bein' ...
> I'll be the first to admit that beating the likes of Va Tech,
> Kent-used-to-be-State, and Wake hardly makes for a #23 rating but that
> background should be sufficient to beat the Tar Heels on the road.
Er, I don't git it. State's playing at home this week, not on the
road. Hence they should probably be a solid 7-point favorite, IMHO.
- ACC Chris
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155.120 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Which way is North? | Mon Sep 23 1991 23:50 | 6 |
|
Go Pack! Should be a great game this Saturday!
B.A.
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155.121 | Your "ACC" colors are a little dingy today, Soup | SHALOT::HUNT | Rumblin', bumblin', stumblin' ... | Tue Sep 24 1991 02:48 | 36 |
155.122 | a contest? | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Tue Sep 24 1991 10:27 | 10 |
| One should note that a while back, when the Tar Heels Football program
stunk like Dean congratulating the other team with time left on the
clock, our friend Chris was desparately hoping that hoops would start.
Now, if you didn't know you'd think that he was a freakin fan.
> arguing about the number of angels that can fit on the head of a pin.
Let's start a pool. I say a_infinite number.
TTom
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155.123 | | SHALOT::MEDVID | I'll find myself as I go home | Tue Sep 24 1991 10:51 | 1 |
155.124 | Very clever, Chris, and kudos for finally fighting back! | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue Sep 24 1991 12:15 | 13 |
|
I can see what poor ACChris is getting at here and I think it's valid.
He's been getting slammed for his "objectivity" in here for years (and
deservedly so), and he's finally found a bone of his number one nemesis
BobHunt to pick at in kind. But BobHunt responds that it's okay for
him to be blind to the evidence (and slam the "experts" who turned out
to be right) because he's suffered! Well, hail, guys, don't you think
that ol' ACChris has suffered, too? What are those thirty good-sized
welts on the back of his haid! How 'bout a little decency and fair
play here!
glenn
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155.125 | Still more drivel ... | SHALOT::HUNT | Rumblin', bumblin', stumblin' ... | Tue Sep 24 1991 13:04 | 59 |
155.126 | Sad. A tragedy for scientific sportwriting... | ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSY | Carolina Blew | Tue Sep 24 1991 16:02 | 9 |
| >How 'bout a little decency and fair play here!
Reading this note is like a_emotional roller-coaster for me: First
the inspiring selfless heroism exhibited in .105 and then the cynical
obfuscation of a main, a_allegedly straight arrow of a main, who had
the ball and the open shot last year but instead dribbled not only off
his foot but also off his chin...
MrT
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155.127 | BobHunt: The SnakeOil of SPORTS | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Sep 24 1991 16:33 | 1 |
|
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155.128 | miraculous | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Tue Sep 24 1991 16:36 | 5 |
| I can't believe what I'm reading. Apparently the Bob is better 'n Dean
controversy has been settled via the backdoor. A common enema has
apparently united these once bitter foes.
TTom
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155.129 | The Bend Over Brothers | SHALOT::HUNT | Rumblin', bumblin', stumblin' ... | Tue Sep 24 1991 17:39 | 10 |
| I'm done with this debate. I can't think of any new comments that
wouldn't already be just more skips on a broken record.
I'm just going to pull up a comfy lawn chair, crack a cold one and
then settle back to watch Soup and T take turns dropping their soap
bars in the shower.
Unbelievable.
Bob Hunt
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155.130 | This should signal the end of the MrT/ACC Chris coalition | RHETT::KNORR | Graphics Workstation Support | Tue Sep 24 1991 18:59 | 23 |
| > Unbelievable.
Agreed. It *is* unbelievable how sneaky and crafty you've been
throughout this whole debate.
For instance, you claim you were under no obligation to report on
this obvious violation of fairness and decency. This excuse sounds
*so* much like the accusations Congress was making in the midst of
Iran/Contra, and indeed, the accusations they're *still* making in
trying to prevent Gates from becoming CIA director!
Bottom Line: Silence sometimes speaks volumes when evaluating
someone's moral code and SPORTS objectivity.
Now, you may go along with this and admit you couldn't possibly be
rational when your beloved Cavaliers were ranked #1 in the USA.
Your SPORTS Objectivity was clouded. You weren't thinking clearly.
I cain accept this defense, on condition that it be equally applied
to all the anti-Carolina bigotry you've displayed over the years.
- ACC Chris
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155.131 | Bob "Witch" Hunt Finally Snookered | ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSY | Carolina Blew | Tue Sep 24 1991 20:09 | 9 |
| I'm afraid that ACChris has you cold there, Bob. Given your
unwillingness (or inability) to "do the right thing" analytically
in the 'Liers matter, then or now, you are in no position to
lambast anybody for refusing to set aside loyalties and make plain
judgements of fact.
And that's a fact.
MrT
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155.132 | The inmates are definitely running the asylum | SHALOT::HUNT | Rumblin', bumblin', stumblin' ... | Wed Sep 25 1991 00:51 | 10 |
| To borrow from the late Billy Martin ...
"One's convicted and the other's a born liar."
When you two shysters can be seen again on the radar scope of
credibility, then you can spout your twisted "wisdom".
Until then, keep up the good show. The amusement is deluxe.
Bob Hunt
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155.133 | | RHETT::KNORR | Graphics Workstation Support | Wed Sep 25 1991 03:06 | 21 |
| Quoting Billy Martin, eh Ketch? And you thought *I* was teamed up with
someone with a credibility problem. Haw!!
Actually I think it's time this thing was put to bed. You've been
exposed as a SPORTS unObjective Analyst twice within a 10-day time
span, and frankly I'm concerned about your psyche.
I think though, that we cain all leave your name off the list of Most
Credible Noters, of which John "O" Hendry is alone at the top. Ya gots
a great gift of pen, Bob. You're smart, with a great memory. But
in the area of Objective Analysis, well, ... you got some work to do.
Why not start by:
A) Admitting that you had a moral lapse by failing to condemn the
Cavalier's #1 ranking last year, and
B) Admitting that your relentless Dean attacks are rooted in the
simple fact that he's beaten your beloved Wahoos so much.
- ACC Chris
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155.134 | Nadir | ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSY | Carolina Blew | Wed Sep 25 1991 12:41 | 12 |
| Given that ACCrook is the ex-con, you cain only mean that I am "a born
liar." This hurts, Bob. Hurts bad. Two innocent college pranks and
now I deservsuch shabby treatment?
All I was doing was trying to rehabilitate you. It's like a paralyzed
but proud Viet Nam vet looking up from his wheelchair on the first day
a therapy and viciouslsplashing his pretty nurse in the face with the
blue-green sputum of hocker launched from deep in the diaphram.
Sigh.
MrT
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155.135 | | CSCOA1::ROLLINS_R | | Wed Sep 25 1991 12:49 | 21 |
| I don't really care about the Bob-Dean debate, and I don't really
care if UNC is ranked in this week's football poll, nor that UVa
was ranked #1 at some point last year. I don't really care about
the comment I'm about to make, either. However, I'm feeling a little
more ornery than the usual times when I am an RON.
It does appear that Bob Hunt has become a less and less objective
noter. I still like reading his coments on the Eagles and Phillies,
which seem objective; his comments on UNC are less so. The more he
notes in the ACC topics, the less objective he seems to me. And, I
suspect Chris is right, it probably is because UNC has beaten UVa
so often in basketball.
Nevertheless, even if he is not an objective observer, and even if
he does beat on the UNC program too much, that doesn't invalidate
the points he makes. His motives may not be pure, but his content
can still be valid. UNC has lost a lot of big games that they shouldn't
have, and at least a significant portion of it can be attributed to
poor decision-making by Dean.
At least, that's how it appears to me.
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155.136 | | ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSY | Carolina Blew | Wed Sep 25 1991 12:50 | 12 |
| list of Most Credie Noters, of which John "O" Hendry is alone at the
top.
place Waugamin up there, too, Crockmeister. Yes, the very same
Waugamain who dashed poor Air on the Designated (withwith Snide's own
numbers, btw), the same Waugamain who proved that Snuffer's one paltry
Title was a dastistickal inevitability, the same Waugamain who did all
that and more with expert number-crunching, yes, the same Waugamain who
stands alongside us in this thankless but necessary task of rehabilitation
of our unappreciative but necessary patient.
Poor MrT - "born liar" or college prankster
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155.137 | Dude lies; dude gets called a liar | SHALOT::HUNT | Rumblin', bumblin', stumblin' ... | Wed Sep 25 1991 12:57 | 10 |
155.138 | | CAM::WAY | Kamate Kamate Kaora Kaora | Wed Sep 25 1991 13:35 | 8 |
| > But the Nam vet image was a good one. Very colorful.
Visions of MrT in a white dress with white nylons, and nurses cap...
Bob Hunt, useless legs tucked onto the leg supports of the wheelchair,
goobs a lugie that hits poor MrT right in the starched white bosom....
I am rolling!
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155.139 | From the heart | SHALOT::HUNT | Rumblin', bumblin', stumblin' ... | Wed Sep 25 1991 13:52 | 118 |
155.140 | | ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSY | Carolina Blew | Wed Sep 25 1991 14:21 | 15 |
| >Is Dean Smith a great coach ??? Of course, he is.
I think I'm gonna be sick. Smif' consistently underachieves, fails,
at the highest level a competition where by rights is the only place
the "G" string can be donned... and you go off calling him great.
Greatness should be earned, Lombardi-style, under the greatest
pressure at the highest level - and you go off endowing Greatness to
a main simply cuz you have been caught at the same mistake as Crock
(inability to separate loyalty from fack for purposes a scientific-
objectivism).
MrT - "Born Liar" or Innocent College Prankster?
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155.141 | 1 line in 118 ain't too shabby | SHALOT::HUNT | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Wed Sep 25 1991 14:39 | 20 |
155.142 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | ForAGoodTimeCall 1-800-8-RAHRAH | Wed Sep 25 1991 15:15 | 6 |
| I think objectivity is like middle of the road politics, vanilla,
boring and dull. I think we should measure a true SPORTS noter's
NOTY qualifications by his subjectivity. That ought to give Midnight
and Whitehaid the ealry lead.
/Don
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155.143 | Time to sit back, put the feet up, & light the cigar | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Wed Sep 25 1991 16:02 | 7 |
| >Is Dean Smith a great coach ??? Of course, he is.
I had a feeling if I kept the pressure on long enough I'd come away wif
the "W". Wagamain was right: Kudo's for ACC Chris!!!!
- ACC Chris
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155.144 | back to football bashing | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Wed Sep 25 1991 16:21 | 15 |
| >Is Dean Smith a great coach ??? Of course, he is.
Now, if I have it straight, the tag team of MrT and Knorr disagree but
the current opposition, Bob Hunt, agrees with Knorr, to which MrT
disagrees and Knorr is climaxing with a cigar.
All this in the football topic, to boot. Keep that cigar handy, Chris. If
the Tar Heels win at Raleigh this weekend, you'll have something to smoke
about. The question to be contemplating is not how often or how greatly
Dean successfully loses by design, but whether or not your beloved Mack
Brown really has a program in the works at Chapel Hill.
I think not, at least not in this game.
TTom
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155.145 | Sad | SHALOT::HUNT | Don't forget the coffee !!! | Wed Sep 25 1991 16:23 | 17 |
155.146 | Mack Brown roolz! | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Wed Sep 25 1991 17:06 | 10 |
|
North Carolina (over Skate) and Michigan (over FSU) are my upset
specials of the week!
glenn
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155.147 | | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Wed Sep 25 1991 17:08 | 28 |
| > I write 118 lines and they both ignore all but 1 and then they take
> that one line completely out of context and declare their victory.
Sorry Ketch, but ya don't score any points for quantity. MrT, to his
credit, learned this lesson long ago.
Most of your diatribe was the same old propaganda you've been
spewing for years. This time though, you just consolidated it all in
one place.
No, the only new ground was your admission (at last!) that Dean Smith
is indeed a Great coach. It took a full court press to force your
turnover, but main was it worth it!
re: TTom
This Saturday is a huge one, no question. My heart says Carolina, but
my head says State. The fact that we've had ZERO competition the first
two (2) games and still given up an inordinate amount of points
(combined with State's proven ability to put points on the board) tells
me we need to score at least 3 TD's plus a_couple FG's to win this one,
and I doubt that's gonna happen.
- ACC Chris
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155.148 | GO N.C. STATE! WHAT A TEAM!! | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | ForAGoodTimeCall 1-800-8-RAHRAH | Wed Sep 25 1991 17:20 | 1 |
|
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155.149 | weekend predictions | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Wed Sep 25 1991 17:23 | 36 |
| Chris,
I look for a low scoring event. If State scores 27 points (3TDs, 2 FGs)
your Tar Heels will be in a major world of hurt. That is, if State
doesn't cough up the ball numerous times.
FWIW, the line has moved to State -8, but I'd be happy to win by 1. I'll
take a Pack victory over No Carolina, anytime, anyhow.
While we're at it, here's the predictions for Saturday:
NC STATE 8 no carolina
State covers, something like 21-10. The only way No Carolina is in the
game if it scores in double figures and State coughs it up.
CLEMSON 8^ georgia tech
Clemson wins but not by a TD. How about 24-20. Some of the Techsters are
back, having missed the Virginia game. Clemson will have a hard time with
Shawn Jones. If they don't contain him, the Tigers could lose this game.
VIRGINIA 6^ duke
If Duke is a dog, I see an upset here. Duke has looked good the last 9
quarters, especially the second half against Rutgers. Virginia needed
lucky breaks and Tech breakdowns to keep that game close. I don't see the
'Hoos stopping Duke's passing.
wake forest 1 NORTHWESTERN
I like Northwestern. They looked better in a losing cause last weekend
and Wake was totally dominated. Unless Wake shows up like Rice, this
should be a home court victory.
TTom
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155.150 | Go Tech! What a team! | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Wed Sep 25 1991 17:34 | 7 |
|
All those concerned about another possible National Championship
travesty involving a cupcake-munching ACC team better root like hell
for Georgia Tech over Climzin. THIS COULD BE YOUR LAST CHANCE!
glenn
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155.151 | Picks | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Which way is North? | Wed Sep 25 1991 17:49 | 22 |
155.152 | talk to *YOUR* coaches | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Wed Sep 25 1991 18:04 | 5 |
| It should be remembered that the coaches of the teams, whose fans claim a
sham from last year's Ga Tech Champeenship, voted for Ga Tech to be the
National Champeen.
TTom
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155.153 | I've tried, but they don't listen... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Wed Sep 25 1991 19:02 | 22 |
|
> It should be remembered that the coaches of the teams, whose fans claim a
> sham from last year's Ga Tech Champeenship, voted for Ga Tech to be the
> National Champeen.
Yeah, I know, and I've long argued that coaches are in even less a
position to make detached, objective, and informed ranking decisions
than sportswriters. The coach's mentality is "Undefeated? Well, then
I guess Billy Jim Bob did his job this year". Who always does the most
yelling and screaming when the subject of tough scheduling at ol'
Football Factory U comes up, and why should this mentality (downplaying
quality of opponents) be reinforced in the championship polls?
Is the UPI poll dead yet, anyway? I know UPI was in bankruptcy
proceedings last year, and the coaches' poll I see in my newspaper
these days is the CNN one. How many coaches' polls are there and
do the same guys vote? These kind of questions are some of the
reasons why I like to stick to the original, longest-established, and
most universally-recognized poll in the country, the AP...
glenn
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155.154 | playoff | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Wed Sep 25 1991 20:02 | 16 |
| But Glenn, the AP writers, like the coaches, often give away the
privilege to vote to others. And like the coaches, often are only
familiar with regional teams.
Without a playoff, there's no hope to ending the possibility of a team
with a weak schedule being number one while another team, with an
inferior record but superior ability, ends up down the list. Ga Tech's
UPI/Coaches poll #1 ranking is far from the worst case scenario. BYU's
title a couple of years comes to mind.
And even with a playoff, there may still be controversy. For instance if
it starts with the top 8 teams, you can be sure #9 and #10 will complain.
And you'll still have some fans that dismiss a champeenship as only a
year end peak, which of course is another matter altogether.
TTom
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155.155 | Poor, poor pitiful me | SHALOT::HUNT | Don't forget the coffee !!! | Wed Sep 25 1991 20:05 | 26 |
155.156 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Which way is North? | Wed Sep 25 1991 20:30 | 8 |
|
Sportswriters are like arm-chair quaterbacks...they know everything,
yet couldn't do it if they're life depended on it!
Let a Playoff decide. It works for other sports, why not Feetball?
B.A.
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155.157 | You're reading *way* too much into my simple comments, Bob | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Wed Sep 25 1991 20:39 | 43 |
|
First of all, I didn't claim perfection for the AP poll, only a
personal preference within an admittedly flawed system.
> So, to put it another way, the coaches' football poll is basically
> invalid for all kinds of legitimate reasons you espouse and yet you
> would still stand behind those who *demand* that I must serve their
> interests and somehow admit that the result of this bogus poll was
> not deserved. Whew.
Huh? I have *never* asked you to renounce the results of the bogus
poll. I made a statement last year, based on my observation that
Virginia displayed a very questionable defense against even more
questionable opponents, that they were in no way, shape, or form the
best team in the country, regardless of what *any* poll said. The
response that came back was (to paraphrase): "We're unheralded, we're
undefeated, the traditionalists are just jealous and can't accept our
success." At which point Virginia went out and proceeded to get beat
by both semi-traditional and small-time opponents alike...
> Except, of course, like lasted year when you don't like what the AP
> poll has to say. Then it's time to blame the so-called undeserving
> team, its all-of-a-sudden weak schedule, and its happy fans.
No. There is no "blame" being levied. Only simple disagreement.
What can I say? I'm only giving an opinion, based on the evidence I
have in front of me. I've never sought to begrudge anyone enjoyment
of their team by voicing that opinion, as has been the charge in this
note. If you've followed the college football discussions, I'm just as
critical of "my" teams (like by stating that Penn State was overrated
and overranked both this year and last, even after big victories...)
And, yes, I'm getting bad feelings and deja vu all over again with
Clemson this year, even though I think they're a pretty strong team.
But how can we know how strong they really are? If you look at the
current schedules (excepting Maryland's and maybe Georgia Tech's), the
quality of which the conference has long since outgrown, it's not much
of a stretch to see *someone* coming out of the ACC undefeated on a
consistent yearly basis (soon to be Florida State, more than likely).
Is that what champeenships are made of, though?
glenn
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155.158 | soon to be a champeenship game | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Wed Sep 25 1991 20:44 | 12 |
| > Let a Playoff decide. It works for other sports, why not Feetball?
For now, the major barrier is the dollar focused PAC-10 and Big 10/11 who
refuse to decommit to the Rose Bowl. The other conferences have signed up
for a type of champeenship using a formula of 4 bowls designed to
maximize the opportunity of the 2 top rated teams playing each other on
New Year's Day.
If the Rose Bowl continues as an also ran bowl, as it lately has become,
we can look forward to #1 playing #2, coming to a bowl near you.
TTom
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155.159 | Thank you, Glenn ... that was refreshing | SHALOT::HUNT | Don't forget the coffee !!! | Thu Sep 26 1991 00:05 | 13 |
155.160 | currency fraud | ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSY | Carolina Blew | Thu Sep 26 1991 13:22 | 37 |
|
>We're unheralded, undeafeated, the traditiomalists are just jealous
>and can't accept our success."
Waugamain, I aim NOT begrudging Bob "Witch" Hunt enjoyment of his
team's putative success; I simply begrudge the craven Intellectual
Dishonesty and udder hypocrisy that went into the above paraphrase.
Oh yes, today he accuses me being a_analist and a liar, but what was
*he* lasyear? There's only a fine line tween champ and chimp,
Analyst and alist, and too often craven loyalism forces one across
that line to something much less than fine.
After years oquite accurately pointing out that ACCrock was usurping
Greatness for his choke-a-holic False Idol bhiknowingly hiding behind
self-serving, unreasonable, phony standads, Bob "Witch" - seizing the
unexpected opportunity for a taste of fantastic self-indulgence himself -
threw it all away.
His crime wasn't enjoyment; his crime was the Crock-style trading in
the Almost Close's inflated floating grid currency, neay worthless
bills pegged to no known valuation standard, gold or otherwise, to take
himself a free ride. In doing so Bob "Witch" not only tacitly endorsed
the 'Liers free ride, bualso CrCrockmeister's longstding practice o of
refuting hoops' Titular standard in favor oa titular one based more
on PR than actual play, as with his 'Liers anthe other AlmosClose
gridsters.
We axed him to refute PR in favor of scientif-objectivism, to taremove
the "I" and put back the "y" (as in why) in "analyst" but he was ping
for phony Greatness in the mode of Snuffy Smif', and who could blame
poor Bob "Witch" after having borne witness tthe Carolina Blew scam
up close and personal for so many years.
No, I don't begrudge him his enjoyment, only his willingness to dilute
this file's gold standard for personal gain.
MrT
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155.161 | Leave the vowels in nexted time, T | SHALOT::HUNT | Don't forget the coffee !!! | Thu Sep 26 1991 13:59 | 13 |
| Did Ronald Reagan "deserve" his election wins in 1980 and 1984 ???
Did George Bush "deserve" his win in 1988 ???
Careful now, consider very carefully that they both faced some pretty
pathetic competition. Did they "deserve" it nonetheless ??? The
voters spoke, the results are history. The winners got to enjoy
it, the losers pissed and moaned.
If football poll "A" is bogus, then who cares who deserves what place
in the rankings. If poll "B" is valid, then the nattering nabobs of
negativism should just shut up and sip a tube of Prep H.
Bob Hunt
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155.162 | Who did *BobHunt* cast his vote for? | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Thu Sep 26 1991 16:43 | 38 |
| Bob, you continue to miss the point and, giving you the benefit of the
doubt, I cain only conclude you're doing so on purpose. (Yet another
example of your ongoing trend toward sneakiness ...)
Let's get this straight. No one, repeat, no one, denies that Virginia
was ranked #1 in the USA during a 3-week stretch last year. That's
established FACT and cannot be disputed.
It's also an established FACT that the schedule leading up to
Virginia's seizure of the number 1 spot was, er, a wee bit shaky. In
short, they hadn't played anyone who was even within sniffing distance
of the Top 20.
Now during the fateful 3 weeks many folk were stating a pretty good
case about the fack that Virginia didn't deserve to be #1. The case
was a strong one that was later proven correct. (In short, we were
smarter than the coaches or the writers, which is no big surprise,
since it happens all the time.) What we wanna know is, why weren't
*YOU* smarter than the writers or the coaches? Why weren't *you*
publicly documenting the fact that your beloved Cavs were undeserving
of top spot. You spent plenty_a time documenting your worry about
the next pansy in the Cavs march toward a mythical, yet offered nothing on
the subject of the travesty of justice that was taking place!
Now, no more 'bout the AP or UPI or CNN or USA Today polls. They're
immaterial. Many pointed out that they were inaccurate, and that
Virginia didn't deserve to be #1. For some reason or other you
shrugged your responsibility to wear the Objectivity Hat, perhaps
'cause your judgement was clouded in fandom. Fair 'nuf. Trouble is,
as a result of this huge Objectivity lapse, you will always be labeled
"Subjective" in other sports debates where your judgement is no doubt
similarly clouded!
- ACC Chris
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155.163 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | NOBODYexpectsSPANISHinquisition! | Thu Sep 26 1991 17:32 | 40 |
| Chris -
So, do you wear a 'Subjective' hat?
Will you ever admit that 1-31 is a horrendous champeenship mark for a
guy who is probably the bested recruiter of all time, a 'great' coach
as you have labelled him, and a demi-God? Is being tied with John
Thompson and Jerry Tarkanian on the all-time Champeenship lists a good
thing?
This is the lamest arguement I've ever read in this file - though it
has been entertaining.
What does Virginia, or its fans, have to be ashamed of? for being
ranked #1? There schedule is no weaker than many, many other schools.
And that is a fact. Simply take a look at the Tuesday USA Today and
check the schedules of Div. 1 schools. you ever do this Chris? In
fact - I don't remember you ever showing any interest in football until
you brought up this point.
Bob Hunt has been more objective towards Virginia football, and hoops -
and other things close to his hears - such as Eagles football - then
you've ever dreamed of.
He's castigated the coach, and he freely admitted to going along for
the ride. Unlike you, who has never done anything then babble the UNC
'Party Line' about ACC champeenships, the 'system' and the other inane
doctrine that is part of the Dean Youth Brigade's (DYB) code of
conduct.
You've never answered one question openly or honestly.
Is Florida State deserving of #1 right now? Who have they played?
We've all figured out this ruse you are trying to pull Mr. FAUX ACC
Chris, and it isn't fooling anyone. Think about it. Your only true
friend in this 'debate' is MrT - your main antagonist. Methinks you
are being taken for a ride and don't even realize it...
JD
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155.164 | | FSOA::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Thu Sep 26 1991 17:33 | 27 |
| I want to stand by Bob Hunt for a minute here.
No one, but no one, should be expected to be 100% objective when it comes
to the matter of one's favorite team or alma mater. It's virtually
impossible to do so. I will never be objective about my own school
when it comes to winning or losing. I dream every year that its teams
are going to be in contention for the National Championships in their
sports and I have every expectation of their doing so until I'm proven
wrong. When I was in school and we played BC in football, I had every
expectation that we were going to out to kick butt, when the sad
reality was that we usually got our butts kicked. That's OK - that's
what being a fan is all about. If AP was stupid enough to rank our
basketball team #1, I'd gladly accept it and enjoy it for as long as it
would last.
I am not 100% objective about the University of Massachusetts. Chris Knorr
is not 100% objective about the University of North Carolina. Tom
Shaughnessy is not 100% objective about Indiana University. Michael
Brooks is not 100% objective about Michael Jordan. Bob Hunt should not
be expected to be 100% objective about the University of Virginia.
Bob has bent over backwards, in my opinion, to be objective about
Virginia and its poll ranking last year. I don't see why he should
renounce it. I wouldn't. I don't see why he should be held to a
higher standard of conduct than everyone else.
John
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155.165 | Soup takes low road once again | SHALOT::HUNT | Don't forget the coffee !!! | Thu Sep 26 1991 18:21 | 28 |
155.166 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | JohnHendry-99and44/100% objective | Thu Sep 26 1991 18:25 | 2 |
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155.167 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Which way is North? | Thu Sep 26 1991 18:37 | 11 |
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Re-several hundred...
Do you guys EVER talk about this years football games? or do you
just talk about last season's over and over and over?
How about some updates on this years players who will make the
headlines/both good and bad.
B.A._who's_fed_up_with_comical_bull_crap_about_nothing!
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155.168 | Reply title not necessary | SHALOT::HUNT | Don't forget the coffee !!! | Thu Sep 26 1991 19:00 | 59 |
155.169 | next | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Thu Sep 26 1991 20:37 | 16 |
| We haven't heard from MrT today, as yet, but poor Chris lost some
serious ground in this "whatever". JD and John Hendry checking in didn't
help the cause at all. And the inaccuracy of not "sniffing" Clemson
really hurt.
B.A.: The Heels lose at State, there goes the hoped for season: losses to
Clemson and Ga Tech; struggling with Maryland and Duke; maybe a chance to
beat Wake and the Heels will be left with having to beat Virginia to
salvage any kinda ACC season. What happened to the Top 20? or was it the
Top 30?
More and more, it looks like Chris should go back to his earlier position
of ingoring football and waiting for hoops. So, maybe it's time to head
back to 17 and preaching the faith: 1 for 31, 32, and counting...
TTom
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155.170 | YOU are a nattering nabob of nadirism | ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSY | Carolina Blew | Thu Sep 26 1991 21:01 | 28 |
| The only "gaping hole" inis the odious orificyou managed
managed to blow in your once-proud objectivity.
Here's w it goes: Yousmarmy protestations about your stas
as a long-suffering 'Liers fan is irrelevant. And so is your
happy report thait was mistaken voters and not you who created
the c and ill-gotten #1 ranking. And so is John Hery's
correct observation that one itotally objective.
What'terribly relevant heris that you cravenly sunk into the
same self-serving Crockian quagmire that annoints 1-31 as Great.
Hell, just yesterday you did the sself just yesterday with
the Snuffer. And today you start talking about how good the 'Liers
schedule was! And to top it all off you now blow Snide Air about
holes that don't exist (guess that canard stems from the fack that
you cain't isolate a void, eh?).
Your bottomed out bottom line: Y've Crocked-out, by practicing the
samsalivating subjectivism that he has. The subjectivism itself
ain't a sin, what's hard swallow is that you are forever more in
no position to criticize Crockmeister on Carolina Blew. I guess I'll
have to carry that cross to its Final Solution alone now, but given
that you recently conferred Greatness on thehing One this was a
fait accompli anyw, wasn't it?
How low cain you go.
MrT
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155.171 | The real motive uncovered at last | SHALOT::HUNT | Don't forget the coffee !!! | Thu Sep 26 1991 21:18 | 19 |
| Good one, T. Had to use my decoder ring, though. Is it just my
screen or was every 3rd consonant and every 6th or was it 7th vowel
missing ???
Hey, listen, if you wanna take the point and lead the anti-Snuff
brigade, be my guest.
Is that what this was all about ??? This was just some weak-assed,
mealy-mouthed, Russian-style coup d'etat for the "King" slot on the
Anti-Snuff org chart ??? Amazing. All you had to do was ask,
dude, I'd have given it up no sweat.
Hah-hah, JD was right all along. Soup got snookered major league
big time on this one. Way too funny. Okay, T, you got it. Do
it. Let's all reconvene over in Note 17 and watch the fireworks.
Meanwhile, it's football season here in Note 155.
Bob Hunt
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155.172 | Whatever the motive, it's been quite a success. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Thu Sep 26 1991 23:09 | 30 |
| > Soup got snookered
Haw haw haw!!!!!!!!11111111 Talk about spin-control Ketch. Makes the
job the Republicans did after the Quayle/Benson debate look downright
amateurish!
> Hey, listen, if you wanna take the point and lead the anti-Snuff
> brigade, be my guest.
Yea T, go to it. I personally cain't *wait* for BobHunt to chip in
with usual deadly assaults, so's I can recall his infamous "Dean is
Great" note! Oh yes, without I doubt I got snookered by this whole
thing! Oh my, yes!!!
Gotta admit I wish you woulda kept that letter private though. Too
sad, thinking about poor me and how I cain't (electronically) shake
hands with my noting pals after a tough Carolina game/season. Can't
understand why, given the phenomenal Dean polorization this file is
famous for!
For the record though, JHendry is right. No one can be expected to be
unbiased where their team is involved. (Except for MrT, of course.)
Also for the record, I have way too much fun in this file to do any
electronic handshaking where Carolina is concerned. "Agreeing to
disagree" when it comes to college hoops would have me heading outa
this file quicker than Dean yanking a freshman after a bad shot.
- ACC Chris
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155.173 | Avoiding real issues...as usual | HPSRAD::RIEU | Read his lips...Know new taxes! | Fri Sep 27 1991 11:23 | 2 |
| So Chris, did Virginia play Clemson lasted year or not?
Denny
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155.174 | ralph | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Fri Sep 27 1991 12:18 | 1 |
| > -< YOU are a nattering nabob of nadirism >-
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155.175 | Ralph's name is spelled NadEr; nadir different | ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSY | BobHunt: Dean Smith is Great | Fri Sep 27 1991 13:20 | 1 |
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155.176 | | CAM::WAY | RIP Dr. Seuss | Fri Sep 27 1991 13:26 | 10 |
| > -< Ralph's name is spelled NadEr; nadir different >-
Although, MrT, you must admit that from time to time we do
reach a nadir in here from time to time.
Haven't seen a zenith in a while though, not since the Trial.....
'Saw
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155.177 | | HPSRAD::RIEU | Read his lips...Know new taxes! | Fri Sep 27 1991 13:41 | 2 |
| How about a pinnacle, aint seen one of those for a while.
Denny
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155.178 | Nobody nader than Ralph | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Fri Sep 27 1991 13:49 | 6 |
| How about Ralph Sampson.
Hey Bob Hunt, how come Ralph didn't win one at Virginia? Wait a minute.
He didn't play football, did he?
TTom
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155.179 | soon to be on broadway | CTHQ1::LEARY | | Fri Sep 27 1991 14:14 | 36 |
| Sheesh Bob, you open up the kimono like a mainly man, offering yourself
up, and getting hit with salvos from the TWO. And you is fighting back.
Kinda like "hit me with yo' best shot" Soooooo.
Let's redo this act.
First, I'll assume directorship.
Someone powder Bob's disjointed nose.
'Saw, hand me that CD, you know, the Ian Drury and the Blockheads
instrumental. And get the Sportsters Glee Club ready.
Ok, Bob, ya ready with your speel? Good. Everyone take their places.
Ready, The Tirade, Act 1, Scene 1, Take II, ACTION
Bob: Blab, Blab, Blab, Blab
T: Blab, Bla. b (Modem use) Blaaab
Chris: More Blab ,Blab, Blab
Fade in Ian Drury Instrumental.
'Saw and the SPORTSTERS Glee Club:
" Hit me with your rhythm stick. Hit me. Hit me.
Hit me slowly hit me quick. Hit me. Hit me.
Hit me with your rhythm stick. Three fat-headed persons.
Click. Click. Click. Hit me. Hit me. Hit me!!.
Hit me with your rhythm stick. T and Chris, Ich liebe dich!
Hit me. Hit me."
Instrumental fades out
CUT. It's a wrap. PRINT IT !!
MikeL
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155.180 | More ... | SHALOT::HUNT | Don't forget the coffee !!! | Fri Sep 27 1991 14:32 | 42 |
155.181 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | ForAGoodTimeCall 1-800-8-RAHRAH | Fri Sep 27 1991 14:43 | 4 |
| That pinnacle is a tough card game Denny. There must be something
like 200 face cards in every deck!
/Don
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155.182 | sign me up | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Fri Sep 27 1991 15:46 | 11 |
| > ... Spread is 7 ... If the score is any less than that
> going into the 4th quarter, take the Blue Devils.
How do I get in on a game that has already started?
And in the 4th quarter, yet!
BTW, that's Ralph Pinochle, a real card.
TTom
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155.183 | I golf with the Pinnacle 3 ball. wanna see any? ;^) | CST17::FARLEY | Have YOU seen Elvis today?? | Fri Sep 27 1991 15:59 | 1 |
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155.184 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Fri Sep 27 1991 15:59 | 13 |
| Clemson will return to their days of dominance in the ACC by beating
Tech tomorrow. I'll be surprised if they don't cover. Too bad this
game's only regional - I love watching games in those 80,000+ seat
madhouses. If the Tigers win this week and next week at Georgia, look
for 'em to go undefeated.
Interesting cover story in USA Today about Death Valley and how they
run down the hill and pet the rock before the game and their great
record there. Sounds like a great place to see a college football
game.
Joe
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155.185 | Go Clemson! Whatta Rock! | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Fri Sep 27 1991 16:01 | 0 |
155.186 | Happens all the time | SHALOT::HUNT | Don't forget the coffee !!! | Fri Sep 27 1991 16:15 | 10 |
155.187 | | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | Dial-a-POPE 1-900-8255463 | Fri Sep 27 1991 16:45 | 11 |
|
All this Pnn-a-cul stuff reminds me of the ol' cheer:
"Icicle, Bicycle, Pinnacle RAH!"
"Beer, Gin, SISH SHOOM BAAAAH!"
"Spherical, lyrical, miracle, DAH!"
"Pizza, Popcorn, LA DEE DA DEE LAAAH!"
"Whimsical, Quizacle, PNNACLE, PAH!"|
"*******, ******, OOOOH OOOH AHHH!"
DJ
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155.188 | nudge, nudge | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Fri Sep 27 1991 16:52 | 8 |
| DJ JD,
Could you off-line let the lunatics know the translation of them
asterisks?
Inquiring mindles and all that, don't you know.
TTom
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155.189 | Heels vastly underrated... | ARWEN::G_WAUGAMAN | | Fri Sep 27 1991 17:02 | 7 |
|
Look for Mack Brown and the 'Heels to come out sky-high tomorrow and
give the Pack a pounding, on the road, no less! If they don't, it's a
choke!
glenn
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155.190 | | FSOA::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Fri Sep 27 1991 17:43 | 7 |
| To Bob Hunt's last:
If the Heels are going to come into the playoffs 32-0 and get beat,
wouldn't it be nice to have a power like the University of
Massachusetts knock them off?
John
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155.191 | Oh, my, yes ... | SHALOT::HUNT | Don't forget the coffee !!! | Fri Sep 27 1991 17:49 | 5 |
| From your lips to God's ears, Ninj' ...
'Twould be dee-lish ...
Bob Hunt
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155.192 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | thatelectricprescription4urFunkyIlls | Fri Sep 27 1991 17:59 | 2 |
|
specially if it was in the 1st round at the Worcester Centrum....
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155.193 | Heels marginally overrated | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri Sep 27 1991 18:06 | 23 |
| re: .-1
Despite your increasingly rising Objective stock Waugamain, you are
wrong in regards to the Heels.
Carolina football has enjoyed the benefit of several top-notch
recruiting years, which has inflated expectations. See, the trouble
with football recruiting is that, unlike hoops, you almost always need
several years to see the fruits of your labor. Most quality frosh are
redshirted, and the redshirted frosh/sophomores are physically at a
disadvantage compared to the upperclassmen.
We're also somewhat banged up injury-wise, the most serious being AA
linebacker Dwight Hollier.
Having said all this I do agree that it's time to start to see some
return on investment. Mack's in his 4th year now, which means it's
time to start producing. Last year was a step in the right direction
and I think we're capable of going to some kindof bowl this year. But
beat a host NC State team on the road? I think not.
- ACC Chris
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155.194 | Such low expectations from one so accustomed to "success" | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Fri Sep 27 1991 18:23 | 17 |
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> But beat a host NC State team on the road? I think not.
Okay, Chris, if that's the way you really feel, but I don't want you
sniffin' around trying to mooch any of my celebratory Dom Perignon
after the "big" win tomorrow. I'm going with my man Mack and the
sheer sweetness of the unexpected but predictable upset. You can
stick with the 'Snuffer and your bottle of ripple in a paper bag, and
keep living the life of disappointment. I'm going with the future!
'Course if the Heels lose, you and all those other Baby Blue
frontrunners will undoubtedly be venting all that pent-up frustration
over the 1-for-31 thing in a most misdirected way: Fire the football
coach!
glenn
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155.195 | Just Win, Baby. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Fri Sep 27 1991 18:42 | 18 |
| > 'Course if the Heels lose, you and all those other Baby Blue
> frontrunners will undoubtedly be venting all that pent-up frustration
> over the 1-for-31 thing in a most misdirected way: Fire the football
> coach!
Careful glenn, or that Objective Title we've handed you, the one that
puts you on the same plane as the great "O" Hendry, will be snatched
away!
In reality, Carolina football coaches are in a most unenviable
position. Trying to match Dean's accomplishments both on the playing
field and academically is a tough road to hoe to be sure. When push
comes to shove though the fat-cat alum's (the one's who git coaches
fired) can probably accept a less productive Carolina football academic
factory, so long as the W's are coming in.
- ACC Chris
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155.196 | Go Heels! | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Fri Sep 27 1991 19:26 | 33 |
|
> I'm curious W-main (tm). Why the love for Carolina football? Does
> this date back to our Lawrence Taylor glory years, or is this a recent
> phenomenon. (Like, is Mack Brown your distant cousin or somethin' ...)
Well, it's like this Chris. Last week I was thinking about how the ACC
now has some of the best teams and the best football the country has to
offer (as shown by a combined non-conference record second to none), and
about how the ACC seems to dominate most of the discussion in this fine
forum, so then I asked myself the logical question: what exactly have I
been missing all these years? So I had to adopt myself an ACC football
team. I figured that SPORTS is owed at least one objective_analyst Tar
Heel fan, not one a those that John Hendry says cain't openly and
clearly look at the team from the outside. So why not jump on the
bandwagon of my dark horse candidate to outright win the title of the
best college football conference in the land!
Besides, Mack Brown used to be Barry Switzer's head assistant and ol'
Barry taught him *everything* he knows, so combined with my desire to
embrace only the cleanest and most tightly-run of academic/athletic (note
the order) programs, Carolina again seemed to be a perfect fit. For
example, my reports outta Chapel Hill this very week are that a star
player is being sternly but confidentially disciplined within The
System (Mack's, with caps, as opposed to Dean's lower case) for a
physical altercation with his girlfriend (no lie, Chris can surely
confirm). That's the kind of no-nonsense handle on things I expect from
the coach of *my* team!
So, in closing, if you guys want the truely objective low-down on ACC
football, this here Heels' fan is your man...
glenn
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155.197 | boomer sooner, best team money could buy | CTHQ3::LEARY | | Fri Sep 27 1991 19:43 | 13 |
| Good one Glenn!
If'n ol Mack larned everything from Barry, then he better unlarn em
quick-like.
I remember that commercial he did with ol glue-hair Jimmy Johnson
(Touchdown Johnson !!) about a foosball-type game. Shoot, I was
watching the commercial on TV, and I still checked to see if I had
me wallet. Those two together couldn't look God straight in the
eye.
MikeL
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155.198 | Bet this one is selling well in Chapel Hell | SHALOT::HUNT | Don't forget the coffee !!! | Fri Sep 27 1991 19:48 | 36 |
155.199 | State wins | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Sun Sep 29 1991 11:43 | 40 |
| How sweet it is!
NC State 24, No Carolina 7
Before this game, there were 2 main themes that the press was playing up.
The first was how No Carolina has dominated the recruiting the last
several years. The second was how good State's defense was. Well one has
to wonder when those highly rated recruits are gonna show up. Or is it
that Mack Brown is that bad.
The game itself had a couple of themes. State defense is that good. Some
stats: 5 QB sacks, 3 interceptions, 6 tackles for loss, and No Carolina
gained more yardage on return then they did rushing. And State fumbled 3
times to give the Tar Heels more chances. But the coupe de gravy was a 99
yard interception with seconds remaining. (FWIW, those that had more than
a passing fancy on the line, won or loss on that play: No Carolina was on
the State's 2 threatening to score).
The other highlight of the game was the play of redshirt freshman Geoff
Bender. State was leading 3-0 when starting QB Terry Jordan broke his
wrist. (He'll be out the rest of the season). In fact, this was the real
turning point of the game. No Carolina unsuccessfully tried a fake punt
on 4th and 1. State held. Jordan went out, Bender comes in and throws a
touchdown pass to put State up 10-0. They never looked back.
This made it four in a row over the Tar Heels. Four years of a lot of
talk about nationally rated recruiting. Now a group of players will leave
Chapel Hill with a perfect record against State, oh fer four.
On another note, No Carolina's Bobby Thigpen had to leave the game on a
stretcher after a big hit in the fourth quarter. There was concerns that
he had broken his neck. In terms of irony, this was a dramatic moment. It
was Thigpen who had been arrested earlier in the week. He choked his
girlfriend until she passed out. He was arrested and in typical Tar
Heel/King Rice style was given a private reprimand. And he started the
game. A lot of coaches in a lot of programs would have at least suspended
him. Not Mack Brown. Not the No Carolina Tar Heels. I guess they needed
the win. Too bad, Mack.
TTom
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155.200 | Lookin' for the ripcord, Glenn ??? | SHALOT::HUNT | Don't forget the coffee !!! | Sun Sep 29 1991 17:25 | 14 |
| Glenn, I do hope you packed a parachute with you. The ejection seat
release handle is right below your seat cushion there, dude. Just
give it a quick upward tug and you'll be outta Chapel Hell in a flash.
I do believe, fellow SPORTS fans, that we have just borne witness to
a brand new and exciting mutant strain of the Kiss Of Death virus ...
... The Waugaman Whammy ... Wow !!!
Do me a favor, Glenn, willya ??? Stay away from my Hoos, please.
As you well know, they're badly overrated and undeserving of all the
attention ... especially the kind you just dished out. Ouch.
Bob Hunt
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155.201 | <insert ACC Chris giving TTom_a electronic handshake> | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Mon Sep 30 1991 10:46 | 17 |
| Tough but certainly not unexpected (for this fan) 'L' for the Heels.
Basically, we got our baby blue butts kicked, and I fully expect W-main
(tm) to jump off the bandwagon. (Hint: If you're looking for a dark
horse candidate glenn, jump on the NC Skate bandwagon. TTom will hate
ya for it, but I give them a solid shot against Tech next week, and a
'W' there puts 'em in the Top 15, minimum.)
Me, I'm used to this sorta thing. Back_to_back 1-10 years, which came
on the Heels of some horrid Crum years. Last years 6 wins were
primarily at the hands of week foes, with the exception of the tie to
the eventual co-mythical Techhaids.
No siree, this was one Carolina fan who didn't fall for the hype. Too
bad we all can't be so Objectively honest. :^(
- ACC Chris
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155.202 | Next stop: Climzin (who may be cleaner now than UNC) | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Mon Sep 30 1991 12:19 | 16 |
|
Whoops! I guess there was one too many on the Tar Heel bandwagon! My
apologies, Chris; I guess I've done my work here and'll be getting off
now, thank you... ;-)
That's *Tommy* Thigpen, not Bobby (the Chisox relief pitcher), TTom.
Thanks for the report, though. Thigpen was a pre-season All-ACC
linebacker, so you knew he'd play when push came to shove (double
entendre fully intended). Just one more strike against UNC's phony
squeaky-clean reputation within both the state and the ACC. How come
Chris didn't belly up to the bar and come clean on this by RENOUNCING
the kid's participation in the big game before we had to blow the
whistle, though? Do I detect a case of INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY? ;-)
glenn
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155.203 | Blatant bandwagon jumper. (Yuk.) | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Mon Sep 30 1991 12:27 | 16 |
| No intellectual dishonesty on my part, 'Main. I honestly didn't know
Thigpen beat up his girlfriend, and believe he most definitely shoulda
been suspended for the Skate game.
- ACC Chris
For all those whords of weasels about to bog down the Easynet in
pointing out an apparent Thypocrisy (tm) with this statement cause of
the King Rice thing, ferget it. Rice did *his* choking long after hoops
season was over, and therefore a suspension woulda been pointless.
Dean did his disciplining outa the public eye, which is undoubtedly a
crime around these parts (due to the incredible Thyporcritical_nature
of most anti-Dean bigots) but, in reality, the ideal way to handle
these types of sordid affairs. HTH.
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155.204 | | CAM::WAY | RIP Dr. Seuss | Mon Sep 30 1991 13:31 | 10 |
| > Dean did his disciplining outa the public eye, which is undoubtedly a
> crime around these parts (due to the incredible Thyporcritical_nature
> of most anti-Dean bigots) but, in reality, the ideal way to handle
> these types of sordid affairs. HTH.
Richard Nixon hoped that any disciplining of the Watergate burglers
was done out of the public eye too.
Thank God for Woodward and Bernstein......
|
155.205 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | ForAGoodTimeCall 1-800-8-RAHRAH | Mon Sep 30 1991 14:15 | 5 |
| So basically Faux, a Tar Heel athlete can commit a crime as long
as it isn't during the season. The day you're intellectually honest
is the day Al Sharpton donates big bucks to the B'nai Brith.
/Don
|
155.206 | gag | ANGLIN::SHAUGHNESSY | BobHunt: Dean Smith is Great | Mon Sep 30 1991 16:22 | 4 |
| Looks like this Thigpen kid took Carolina's rich tradition for
choking one step too far.
Big10 Tom
|
155.207 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Queen city will be his last stand! | Mon Sep 30 1991 16:44 | 10 |
|
What a way for Skate to Skate right over the heelbillies!
Tough game next week..Tech at Raleigh!
BTW, Tech beat themselves at Clemsuck...The touchdown the tiggers got
was not a TD. IMHO
B.A.
|
155.208 | what about Maryland? | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Wed Oct 02 1991 13:46 | 7 |
| B.A., anybody!
Does anyone know what is going on with Maryland? Lasted week they got
destroyed at home against W.Va. Supposedly, there was some controversy
about their QB or maybe he was hurt? Anyone know?
TTom
|
155.209 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Queen city will be his last stand! | Wed Oct 02 1991 16:11 | 7 |
|
Haven't heard anything down this way TTom...I would have thought
that they would have performed alot better against W.Va.
B.A.
|
155.210 | Weekend Predictions | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Wed Oct 02 1991 17:51 | 38 |
| georgia tech 2 NC STATE
The difference in this game could well be a FG. Georgia Tech comes off a
hard loss at Clemson while State spanked No Carolina. I like State at
home, although it's very difficult to be objective about your own school.
clemson 8^ GEORGIA
Clemson will win this game so the only point worth discussing is by how
much. Georgia looked strong at home beating LSU pretty bad. Then folded
at Alabama. Clemson was lucky to win and might be playing for an
undefeated season. Make this one, Clemson by 10.
VIRGINIA 9^ kansas
The Cavaliers evidently found themselves lasted week at home against
Duke. Kansas is no Duke so this should be a mismatch. Virginia by at
least 2 TDs.
PITTSBURGH 11 maryland
Based on Maryland's performance at home against W.Va. and Pittsburgh at
home, I look for the Panthers to cover. If Maryland shows up like they
did against Virginia and Pittsburgh plays like they did against Minnesota
it could be close. But it's Pitt at home, I think.
DUKE 15 vanderbilt
Will the real Duke please stand up. We've seen the real Vanderbilt and
they ain't pretty. Here's hoping that Duke thinks its Rutgers and maybe
we can see a rout.
NO CAROLINA vs william & mary
Hide the women and children, this won't be pretty. Look for the Tar Heels
to try to make their season in this mismatch. Mack Brown is trying to
build a program so he's got to have these games on the schedule. Look
for a repeat of the Cincinnati game, 50 something to few, if any.
|
155.211 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Wed Oct 02 1991 18:26 | 25 |
|
> clemson 8^ GEORGIA
> Clemson will win this game so the only point worth discussing is by how
> much. Georgia looked strong at home beating LSU pretty bad. Then folded
> at Alabama. Clemson was lucky to win and might be playing for an
> undefeated season. Make this one, Clemson by 10.
You think Clemson will have that easy of a time? I tend to think they
could have a tought time with it being a night road game - those are
tough. I expected more of Clemson last week against Tech. This one is
on ESPN BTW.
> VIRGINIA 9^ kansas
> The Cavaliers evidently found themselves lasted week at home against
> Duke. Kansas is no Duke so this should be a mismatch. Virginia by at
> least 2 TDs.
Kansas plus the 9.5 has to be one of the best bets of the weekend IMO.
The Jayhawks are better than most people realize and will probably end
up in a minor bowl. I think they will win this one outright.
Joe
|
155.212 | could be | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Wed Oct 02 1991 18:51 | 13 |
| Joe,
My dislike for Clemson football has always caused me to try to prepare
myself for the worst, which, in this case, is that they'll win. Looking
at it objectively also tells me they'll win. I'd love to see them Dawgs
take it to them between the hedges.
As to the matter of Kansas, I'll rethink this one. I think Tulsa beating
Texas A&M was a fluke so beating Toledo, Tulsa and New Mexico State
hasn't proven it to me. But Bob Hunt better watch out if you got the
right insight on this one.
TTOm
|
155.213 | More ... | SHALOT::HUNT | Ted, that's the prom queen !!! | Wed Oct 02 1991 19:12 | 12 |
| Kansas also has the revenge factor from lasted year's whipping at the
hands of the Wahoos. The 9.5 point spread scares me.
North Carolina plays William and Mary. Well, well, well, isn't that
special ??? Wonder if Soup will step forward now before the game
and start denouncing the Heels as a bogus bunch of cupcake-munching
freeloaders ???
I don't think I've ever rooted for Bill And The Wife in anything.
Oh, well, might as well start now.
Bob Hunt
|
155.214 | the Mack way | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Wed Oct 02 1991 19:18 | 10 |
| I wish I'd had taped lasted sunday's Mack Brown show. On it, he
apologized to Tar Heels because he lost. Bob, you'd be proud how he
quoted from the "Newly authorized Tar Heel Football Bible": injuries,
we're young, injuries, coulda, injuries, woulda, injuries, etc.
Now I'm looking forward to his comments after this mismatch. Now, I'm not
getting into the larger issue of cupcakes, just that after this no
contest you'll think the Heels had just won the national championship.
TTom
|
155.215 | Picks | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Queen city will be his last stand! | Wed Oct 02 1991 19:51 | 26 |
155.216 | clemson news? | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Thu Oct 03 1991 09:30 | 18 |
| Clemson news (contradiction in terms?):
o In 1981, Clemson won the national championship. In the third game of
that season, they beat Georgia Tech, defending ACC champion. Your got
it! This year they beat Georgia Tech, defending ACC champion (not to
mention a_ununanimous national vote-in type champion). In 81 the score
was 13-3. This year, 9-7. Whatever that means. Of course, the story goes
that Clemson tried to paint tiger paws all the way to the Orange Bowl but
ran out of paint in Richmond.
o In the off season, Clemson was hyping RB Ronald Williams for Hiesman
Trophy. That was before recent negative publicity that put Williams on
the sideline. Clemson distributed a stand up poster of Williams and
someone sent 3 of them to Georgia LB Dwayne Simmons. Simmons reaction was
appropriately paranoid, expressing concerns that someone[(s)] "must think
I'm a joke". No Dwayne, the Clemson joke was in the first item.
TTom
|
155.217 | Huh ??? | SHALOT::HUNT | Ted, that's the prom queen !!! | Thu Oct 03 1991 11:38 | 21 |
155.218 | Go Clemson! | BSS::JCOTANCH | Would you, Could you, with a goat? | Thu Oct 03 1991 11:40 | 7 |
| We should know within the next 3 weeks if Clemson will finish the
regular season undefeated. After this week's game between the hedges,
their next 2 games are against Virginia and NC State - but both are in
Death Valley.
Joe
|
155.219 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Thu Oct 03 1991 11:55 | 9 |
|
Bob's right; North Carolina won the ACC in 1980, and finished 11-1 and
tenth in the country. Course it was all downhill from there for Dick
Crum, and when he didn't live up to Dean's legacy by actually having
the nerve to win a few bowl games on end-of-season peaks, he had to
be purged in the best interests of the program...
glenn
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155.220 | Pathetic scheduling uncalled | RHETT::KNORR | Graphics Workstation Support | Thu Oct 03 1991 11:57 | 11 |
| > Wonder if Soup will step forward now before the game and start denouncing
> the Heels as a bogus bunch of cupcake-munching freeloaders ???
The Heels schedule the past several years has been bogus, so yes,
you could say they're cupcake-munching freeloaders.
Tell ya what, Mack might find himself in serious trouble if he doesn't
beat somebody (legitimate) this year.
- ACC Chris
|
155.221 | Mack is no Dick Crum | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Thu Oct 03 1991 13:52 | 17 |
| Got the info from USA Today. Their words regarding 1981 were "defending
titlist Georgia Tech". Maybe they meant "Georgia" being defending
national titlist which Georgia Tech is this year, at least half-way.
The saga of Dick Crum is a typical Tar Heel scenario. When he was in his
prime it was nothing but raves. He had for a while an excellent if not
undefeated post season record, which, as Glenn accurately reported, set
him apart from Dean in that Dick won the last game his team played.
Something went sour - I'll let those in the know tell the full tale, if
they wish - and now it's nothing but badmouthing Dick Crum. The final
blow, I seem to recollect was the Ram club - Alumni and Boosters - bought
Dick out and sent him packing to Kent State which proceeded to lose about
every game they played, change their name to just plane Kent and dumped
Dick.
TTom
|
155.222 | State beats Tech | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Mon Oct 07 1991 11:49 | 25 |
| Big win for State on Saturday. Finally, when their offense finally had to
do something, they showed up. State had been winning primarily on the
strength of their defense and a soft schedule that included ACC dormats
Wake and No Carolina. For most of the day, Ga Tech kept the offense shut
down. State scored twice defensively. Ga Tech also scored defensively and
on 2 offense runs. A missed extra point by State had them losing in the
4th quarterby 21-20. A combination of a TD drive and ensuing 2 point
conversion and a 4th down hold pulled the win out 28-21.
In other games, Virginia continued to answer the pundits by beating
Kansas, 31-19. The grapevine had this as one of those lock line specials
upsets with Kansas supposed to win the game. Go Hoos.
Clemson looked pathetic and anemic in losing to Georgia who looked the
better prepared team in every way.
Maryland kept it close but Pittburgh won at home, 24-20.
Wake continued to look bad, I mean real bad, losing at home to double A
Appalachian St, 17-3.
No Carolina found someone else they could beat, William & Mary. They
managed to give up 36 points but scored 59 and won at home.
TTom
|
155.223 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Mon Oct 07 1991 12:04 | 19 |
|
> In other games, Virginia continued to answer the pundits by beating
> Kansas, 31-19. The grapevine had this as one of those lock line specials
> upsets with Kansas supposed to win the game. Go Hoos.
OK, I'll take my dose of Monday morning crow. I guess KU isn't that
much improved.
> Clemson looked pathetic and anemic in losing to Georgia who looked the
> better prepared team in every way.
Dammit Clemson! You guys just gave ND another notch in the polls. :^(
I only caught bits & pieces of this one, but at this stage of the
season it doesn't look like Clemson has much of an offense. Playing on
the road in the South sure is a tough assignment.
Joe
|
155.224 | Waugaman Whammy Wallops Kitty Kats | SHALOT::HUNT | Ted, that's the prom queen !!! | Mon Oct 07 1991 14:09 | 13 |
155.225 | Puleeze! | RIPPLE::DEVLIN_JO | The Great Escape | Mon Oct 07 1991 14:10 | 3 |
| Oh Glenn - you mind becoming a Redskins fan soon?
JD
|
155.226 | All aboard! (We're talkin' to *you*, glenn.) | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Mon Oct 07 1991 15:45 | 5 |
| How long cain it be before Waugamain jumps on the NC State bandwagon?
The Pack are poised to make a mythical Title run!
- ACC Chris
|
155.227 | jump this! | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Mon Oct 07 1991 15:52 | 13 |
| Hey, Knorr, watch whatchyur saying. State don't need no bandwagon
jumpers. If I recollect, the consensus opinion of the experts were that
Ga Tech would win. Let's just leave it that way.
Clemson is waiting in Death Valley for State and its bandwagon. I
wouldn't get too excitable about anything until then. And as for the
mythical title, only Washington is standing in the way of a real title
bout this year. Everyone should root for Washington to lose, if only in
the Ro$e Bowl and we need 2 others to be undefeated, such as Miami or
Florida State and hopefully Tennessee or Oklahoma. Then 2 undefeated can
duke it out.
TTom
|
155.228 | Pack roolz | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | It's about time Richard! | Mon Oct 07 1991 17:27 | 9 |
|
State still has a long way to go to win the ACC...Va, Clemsuck, and
Maryland.
Not an easy task!
Go Pack!
B.A._who's_never_left_the_bandwagon!
|
155.229 | watch out | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Mon Oct 07 1991 17:28 | 7 |
| B.A.,
Watch State beat Clemson and lose again to the 'Hoos. That would be about
6 straight. I don't think Sheridan has beaten Welsh since he's been at
State.
TTom
|
155.230 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | It's about time Richard! | Mon Oct 07 1991 17:30 | 9 |
|
re-,1
You're right...Dick hasn't beat him yet. But this could be the
year..The Yahoos are looking pretty tough right now..Don't be suprised
if they beat Clemscuk! at Clemsuck!
B.A.
|
155.231 | Protecting truth, justice, and the Americain way... | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Wed Oct 09 1991 12:00 | 16 |
155.232 | prevent | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Wed Oct 09 1991 13:09 | 11 |
| > I'm going to lay off for a while. That may change if the Pack starts
> to get a swelled haid, though...
Glenn,
I'm calling State and asking them to tank it against Marshall. Maybe then
they'll have a chance against Clemson.
BTW, who do you like in the No Carolina-Wake game? Here's hoping...
TTom
|
155.233 | weekend predictions | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Thu Oct 10 1991 09:39 | 24 |
| CLEMSON 10 virginia
Look for Clemson to get back on track back at Death Valley. Rub that
rock! Drub them Hoos! Remember lasted year and the first loss ever.
Remember lasted week being outclassed on TV. Virginia may not score.
Tigers by an easy 17.
GEORGIA TECH 14^ maryland
Just a hunch but I give Maryland a chance here. On the line, not on the
game. Tech will win the game but Maryland showed signs of waking back up
at Pittsburgh lasted week, but of course my prediction of Pitt didn't
hurt none, neither. Ga Tech by 10, a big did not cover.
NO CAROLINA 20 wake forest
How bad is Wake? Crushed at home by 2A App State. How bad are the Tar
Heels? For one, they're still crying about the whipping they got at
State. Don't want to answer how William & Mary managed to score 36. Well
Wake is no William & Mary. No Carolina by 24.
Duke and State have the week off.
TTom
|
155.234 | great Poop | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Thu Oct 10 1991 16:12 | 25 |
| Knorr tricked me into signing up for the Poop Sheet. And I'm regularly
grateful to him for that. See this is a magazine that covers ACC (and the
area) sports and to give you an indication of how objective this is, it's
published in Chapel Hill.
Got the latest issue in the mail and it had a section wherein it reviews
how the league members are doing with football this year. The theme of
the State "review" was along the lines of sure they beat No Carolina but
they have a stagnant (quote) program and can't match the recruiting that
Mack has done and just wait until all that recruiting pays off.
The theme, and title, of the Tar Heel review was that everyone should be
patient with Mack Brown and to wait silently while all that recruiting
started to pay off. I mean it's only been 4 years and it's widely
heralded that he's out recruited State and, gee, if it weren't for
injuries, hell, they could just about beat anyone. And after working that
for a couple columns they let you know that the wrestling team was doing
fine.
I had to reread it a couple of times. I thought National Lampoon had
started a new satire. No Carolina is on the verge of greatness. That'll
happen about the same time Dean wins another hoops championship. I'm sure
BobHunt will want to hold his breath.
TTom
|
155.235 | | CAM::WAY | With Malice Toward None | Thu Oct 10 1991 16:23 | 10 |
| TTom --
Did it mention that any of their opponents had possessed and unusually
hot hand when they played them, thus accounting for an excellent loss?
How many of the Star Heels had the flu this season....
These are important things that need to be taken into account for the
National Rankings!!!!!!
|
155.236 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | It's about time Richard! | Thu Oct 10 1991 16:51 | 14 |
155.237 | mostly injurious | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Thu Oct 10 1991 16:53 | 11 |
| No, they're mainly working the injury angles. I swear, they're still
talking about what if there weren't no injuries they coulda beat State,
maybe. No metion made as to how State played without their defensive
captain and how the State QB left the game with broken hand.
Actually, in all fairness to the program, they're recruiting was very
much overrated. Chuckie Burnette, the current inept QB, came in at least
the All-American level. Unfortunately, he's really not very good, even
for No Carolina.
TTom
|
155.238 | Predictions | WMOIS::REEVE_C | | Sat Oct 12 1991 01:32 | 8 |
| Virginia will not only cover, they will win.
GT will cover easily.
CR
(Does Duke really have TWO weeks off in midseason?)
|
155.239 | Hoos Fit To Be Tied | SHALOT::HUNT | Ted, that's the prom queen !!! | Sun Oct 13 1991 18:34 | 19 |
155.240 | Number nine, number nine | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Mon Oct 14 1991 10:27 | 40 |
| It's time to join the NC-State-is-very-overrated-in-the-polls Bandwagon.
Step 1, Declare inflated rating by the numbers:
CNN/USA Today has the Pack rated at #9. I've seen #11 in another poll.
This means that they would beat the likes of Tennessee and Penn St. I
don't think so. The Pack may perform admirably against these teams but
would certainly not be favored, even at home.
Step 2, Badmouth the talent:
State is playing their second string QB, missing their defensive captain,
lost a handful of players to the NFL draft, and the stars are a midget
from Garner and WR who used to play QB.
Step 3, Setup a slur on No Carolina:
The problem for the Pack is that they've only played Ga Tech who's
playing near the Top 30 level. Va Tech is the only other team that's
competitive. The other victims are the truly bad programs of Kent (nee
State), Wake and No Carolina.
Step 4, Predict a demise:
Upcoming, this week, they cup-cake-munch on Marshall. This will set up
the match at Clemson, possibly for the Conference Championship. If and
only if the Pack can win this game can we talk about a place in the
polls. And if they don't take in on the chin in Death Valley, they'll
probably lose to Virginia.
Step 5, Work in another slur on No Carolina:
Next week's win against Marshall would put the Pack at 6-0 and guarantee
a Bowl Bid. They're not going to drop much as long as they win. The
Pollsters are over enamored with undefeated records. But after Marshall
the Pack won't have the luxury of facing Mack Brown for the remaining 5
games.
Step 6, Closing comments and renewed affirmation:
So I'm going to avoid the scurrilous attacks of the righteous right and
simple fess up to the truly scandalous way in which NC State had tricked
the voters (and remember this is only a vote by the uninformed) and over
achieved in the eyes of CNN (who even votes?).
TTom
|
155.241 | Agreed. State is overrated ... | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Mon Oct 14 1991 13:01 | 6 |
| Very, very Intellectually Honest of you, TTom. If *ONLY* a certain
unnamed ACC fan woulda been so honest last year at this time we
could've saved mucho disk space ...
- ACC Chris
|
155.242 | Rollward | SLICER::HUNT | Ted, that's a Rolls Royce !!! | Mon Oct 14 1991 13:14 | 4 |
| Cain't believe he fell for it that easily, TTom. Hook, line *and*
sinker. Very very nicely done.
Bob Hunt
|
155.243 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | It's about time Richard! | Mon Oct 14 1991 19:57 | 14 |
| TTom,
I'm surprised at you!!!!
That midget from Garner can fly! I agree that State is
over-rated..at the moment...but only time will tell.
*If* State can get by Marshall and the tiggers, only then will they
be a top 10 team.
Don't overlook Marshall...they're a strong team.
B.A._Go_State!
|
155.244 | another scandal in the polls | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Tue Oct 15 1991 18:49 | 19 |
| The scandal continues. I saw the AP poll today. It had State at #11. But
we must look at some other details to fully appreciate the breadth of
bogusity.
Looking down the list to see who else got points listed we find No
Carolina with getting 10 points. That means that somewhere out there in
voting land, 10 points worth of ignorance was applied to the Tar Heels.
Obviously, the voters are either thinking this is basketball or haven't
noticed how truly bad the Heels are in football under Mack Brown. Maybe
they're still reading the hype about *GREAT RECRUITING* or are just plain
stupid.
The point I'm making is not how bad the Tar Heels are. That's a valid
point, but rather this point is who can believe any poll in which this
Tar Heel football team receives any votes.
Maybe after Clemson. I'm waiting to see the Hoos. Then we'll talk.
TTom
|
155.245 | Agreed 1000% TTom. Great point. Really well said. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Oct 15 1991 20:00 | 1 |
|
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155.246 | Do it Hoos | SLICER::HUNT | Ted, that's a Rolls Royce !!! | Tue Oct 15 1991 20:25 | 13 |
| North Carolina at Virginia this weekend. It ain't quite hoops season just
yet. Not as long as this game is left on the sked.
After the Hoos tough tie in dreaded Death Valley lasted weekend, I'm
looking for them to spank the Heels but good.
You hear what ahm a_sayin', George Welsh ??? No holding back, no ties,
and do not leave the field with a timeout in your pocket. I don't care if
you're up by 50 points ... call time and then throw it deep.
I wanna see some Heel butts get kicked.
Bob Hunt
|
155.247 | Chuckie Burnette *will* play, FWIW. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Tue Oct 15 1991 20:31 | 8 |
| I ain't looking forward to this game - not one bit. Mack has already
proven he can't beat anybody this year, despite having a reasonable
amount of talent.
I'd look for something in the 31-3 range ...
- ACC Chris
|
155.248 | keepin em comin | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Wed Oct 16 1991 09:46 | 19 |
| Quick and dirty:
VIRGINIA 8 no carolina
Virginia covers but not as bad a Knorr is predicting.
maryland 10^ WAKE FOREST
Wake is terrible, Maryland rebounds, Terps by a couple of TDs.
georgia tech 6^ SO CAROLINA
The Techsters beat the Cocksters by 10.
NC STATE n/l marshl
Who knows? State wins but what price glory?
TTom
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155.249 | North Carolina wif' the points is a lock! | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Doin' the Tomahawk Chop | Wed Oct 16 1991 13:27 | 1 |
|
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155.250 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | It's about time Richard! | Wed Oct 16 1991 16:57 | 19 |
155.251 | State pulls one out of a dark spot | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Mon Oct 21 1991 10:45 | 34 |
| > No line? That means trouble for the pack...
You said a mouthful there, B.A. State rallied in the final minute to edge
Marshall 15-14. With 3 minutes to go, Marshall interecpted State and
returned it to State's 1. Next play, TD and Marshall is up 14-3. What
happened next can best be attributed to luck, home cooking and miracles.
State marched down the field and on 4th down threw and incompletion. The
Refs - and all-ACC officiating team - called interference on what looked
like an uncatchable ball. 1st down. Another interference call saved State
again as they scored and missed the attempt for 2. Marshall is still up
14-9.
On sides kick - actually a good clean no ref-assisted play - recovered by
State. Again on 4th down, Marshall is called for off sides. Very late
flag and State had another chance which they used to score the game
winning TD.
In other results, Georgia Tech got handed their hat at Columbia, losing
to South Carolina 23-14.
Maryland scored at the end of the game to barely beat Wake, 23-22.
Meanwhile, in Charlottesville, No Carolina continued their descent. No
Top 20 here as they lose to a sluggish Virginia, 14-9. The Tar Heels
should have gotten a_academy award for boring play and ineffectual
offense.
On another front, the poll crisis continues although some voters are
starting to see the light. State dropped to 10th in the CNN/USA Today
poll. In an apparent shakeup among voting members, all vestiges of Tar
Heel votes were purged. No Carolina received no votes.
TTom
|
155.252 | Way to go, Hoos | SLICER::HUNT | Ted, that's a Rolls Royce !!! | Mon Oct 21 1991 12:34 | 14 |
| The Marshall coach was livid after the NC State loss. Unbelievable
officiating.
South Carolina really surprised me. They had the look of a team that
was already dead and buried. They were coming off a 10-10 tie with La
Tech, the same team that Houston scorched earlier this year. So, they
go and whip Ga Tech. Proof yet once more that you have to have nerves of
steel to bet on games. Tech shoulda been a stone lock. Ouch.
And, yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. Thank you, thank you, thank
you. Ooooh, I just *LUV* beatin' dem Tar Heels. So very sweet.
Heels haven't won in C'ville since 1981. Dee-lish.
Bob Hunt
|
155.253 | | CAM::WAY | Ain' no sunshine when she's gone | Mon Oct 21 1991 13:01 | 18 |
| > And, yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. Thank you, thank you, thank
> you. Ooooh, I just *LUV* beatin' dem Tar Heels. So very sweet.
> Heels haven't won in C'ville since 1981. Dee-lish.
>
> Bob Hunt
I was tired, dirty, standing in the Providence RFC's clubhouse, with the
golden hue of victory surrounding my body, the amber nectar in my cup
going down so well, when I looked at the TV.
The flashed the Virginee-Star Hells score, and I raised my cup and
said "This one's for you Huntmeister!"
It made a sweet day just a little sweeter.....
'Saw
|
155.254 | all not well in Chapel Hill | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Mon Oct 21 1991 13:25 | 9 |
| Mack Brown and his "If it weren't for injuries or whatever this week's
excuse is" is wearing thin in Chapel Hill, at least among his players.
Several were quoted as saying that they thought the program should be
further along by now. After all, this is the 4th year of nationally
ranked recruiting, don't you know.
Where's Dick Crum when you need him?
TTom
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155.255 | A reading from St. Mack, Chapter 1, Verse 1 | SLICER::HUNT | Ted, that's a Rolls Royce !!! | Mon Oct 21 1991 13:53 | 21 |
155.256 | | CAM::WAY | Ain' no sunshine when she's gone | Mon Oct 21 1991 15:35 | 21 |
| > 'Saw, thanks for the tribute, dude. I owe ya one. Maybe nexted time
> I'm in C'ville, I'll get you one of those really great looking orange and
> blue Wahoo rugby jerseys.
I'd be forever indebted!
You know, I don't have a team I root for in the ACC. I tend to support
Alabama in the SEC, and I don't wanna be sounding like /Don the
convert, but I'm thinking that I'll just start following Virginia.
And to head off any complaints from others that I'm not an alumnus,
it's true, I'm not. I do root for my Alma Mater, but CCSU has such
an abyssmal record for the past 1000 years or so, I just root for
them to stay close before they lose....8^)
'Saw_says_Go_Wahoos!
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155.257 | The Tiggers are next for the Pack | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | It's about time Richard! | Mon Oct 21 1991 15:37 | 13 |
|
I knew Marshall would be trouble...but we had our Clemson refs
working the game and it paid off! :*)
This weeks game will be the test! Clemson in the valley! I'll be
there with the Pack Booster Club(3 buses)from Raleigh who are coming in Friday
night for Bar-B-Q at my Sister's house.
Looking forward to a fun weekend with the Clemsuck folks down
here...always giving them a hard time.
B.A._Go_Pack!
|
155.258 | give em hell | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Mon Oct 21 1991 16:40 | 8 |
| B.A., Give em hell in Death Valley. Try not to get to close to the
rubbing rock.
Saw, watch out for those Hoos. The only fans/alumni that make them look
reasonable are the Tar Heels. Elitism nonpareil. We're lucky BobHunt
lives in SC ;-).
TTom
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155.259 | Ah, them were the days | SLICER::HUNT | Ted, that's a Rolls Royce !!! | Mon Oct 21 1991 17:03 | 29 |
| TTom's right, 'Saw. You're more than welcome aboard the Wahoos Bandwagon
... just so long as Waugaman and his Whammy don't sneak a ride with you.
But, for Elitism and All-Around Upper Crustiness, the Wahoo fans have few
competitors. Maybe Princeton, Hahvahd, and Yale but that's about it.
Virginia is the epitome of a "state-private" school. The school rakes
in beaucoup public funds but, at the same time, has one of the largest
private endowments of any school in the country. Thus, the student body
is filled with a lot of young, fresh, free-thinking students who study
English and music and chemical engineering *AND* a lot of loud, snobbish,
preppie boors who hope Daddy's Amex card can get them through pre-law.
I had a *LOT* of fun there. If we weren't laughing at the prepheads from
a distance, then we were dressing like them for kicks and crashing their
parties to laugh near them until they caught us and tossed us.
When I went there, it had a serious "party school" reputation. It's
been toned down somewhat by now but some of those weekend bashes back then
were huge. Thousands of people. Booze and beer flowed like rivers and
other substances were in abundance, too. We used to have to hose down
our frat house after each one.
You ain't partied until you've played "Grainball" in Mad Bowl on Rugby
Road in Charlottesville on a spring weekend afternoon. Final score had
nothing to do with runs, hits or errors ... the winning team had the most
players passed out.
Bob Hunt
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155.260 | ACC Round Up | SLICER::HUNT | Ted, that's a Rolls Royce !!! | Sun Oct 27 1991 19:37 | 30 |
| Well, Clemson sure popped NC State's bubble, didn't they ??? Paws came
out in their rarely ever seen purple jerseys and smoked the Pack. The
one play that's getting all the highlight footage is a Clemson fake field
goal attempt that quickly turned into a real play aimed at scoring a
touchdown. Paws originally lined up to kick it but then quickly shifted
into a "regular" formation and busted it over before the Pack could catch
on.
Duke beat Maryland in a tasty little upset. Georgia Tech kicked the
ever-living crapola outta the Baby Tar Heels. And the Wahoos stomped all
over helpless Wake Forest.
Little by little, the Hoos have made some nice little strides this year.
They are now at 5-2-1 and could very well win their final three games
against NC State, Va Tech and Div 1-AA VMI. The State game is in
Raleigh and it'll be tough but Virginia has had its way with the Pack for
the past couple of season. The blood game with the Hokies is in C'ville
so hopefully that'll help and the VMI game should be a walkover.
6-4-1 should be a lock, 7-3-1 is very do-able and an 8-2-1 final record
would be very nice indeed and should get some bowl attention. Their
losses are in conference to Maryland and Ga Tech and they tied Clemson in
Clemson. Those three games put them out of the conference picture as
Clemson all but locked it up with their romp over State.
Oh, and Florida State survived a wet scare against LSU in Baton Rouge.
They're still sitting on top of the entire heap although ESPN's Beano Cook
thinks the Washington Huskies are Numero Uno.
Bob Hunt
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155.261 | | CAM::WAY | Go Wahoos! | Mon Oct 28 1991 10:32 | 7 |
| I wasn't even aware that Clemson ever wore purple. I saw the highlights
and it sure didn't LOOK like Clemson.
I've always seen them in white when they aren't wearing orange....
'Saw
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155.263 | 52 years ago | SLICER::HUNT | Ted, that's a Rolls Royce !!! | Mon Oct 28 1991 12:20 | 3 |
| Firsted time Clemson has worn purple jerseys since 1939.
Bob Hunt
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155.264 | FSU gutted it out | CTHQ3::LEARY | Better than LDS | Mon Oct 28 1991 12:26 | 9 |
| Hawk,
I watched most of the 2nd half of the FSU game. In the most dismal
conditions, they never panicked, and simply took over the game from
an overmatched, game LSU team. FSU showed me something.
If they can overcome some injuries suffered in this game, they'll be
awfully tough to beat.
MikeL
|
155.265 | | CAM::WAY | Go Wahoos! | Mon Oct 28 1991 12:52 | 14 |
| > Firsted time Clemson has worn purple jerseys since 1939.
Wow, bet those jersies musta smelled 8^)
Seriously, do you know why they waited 52 years to wear them again?
Were they even the Tigers back then? I know that the Tiger Paw thing
was a big marketing gimmick, so I doubted that they had that in 1939.
This really has aroused my curiousity.....
'Saw
|
155.266 | ACC Chris is back on the "Mack Must Pack" bandwagon. :^( | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Mon Oct 28 1991 12:56 | 8 |
| Prediction: If Carolina fails to at least reach the .500 mark this
year (a distinct possibility) look for Mack Brown to
start updating his resume. He *might* be given another
year, but the patience is starting to wear thin amongst
the fat-cat alum's.
- ACC Chris
|
155.267 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Mon Oct 28 1991 13:09 | 14 |
| FSU has been a little less-than-impressive the past 2 weeks prior to
the LSU game. After their awesome displays against Michigan and
Syracuse, they only beat Virginia Tech by 13 and didn't destroy I-AA
Middle Tennessee State like they should've. But despite the closeness
of their game against a subpar LSU team they still belong at the top
spot. They're on the road, at night, playing in a snakepit. And once
LSU got the quick lead the Tigers played with confidence all night
believing they could win. And like Lee Corso said after the game,
rain is a great equalizer (Just ask Illinois). But the Noles still
win by 11. Weldon showed great courage by returning and leading his team
back after hurting his knee.
Joe
|
155.268 | A great weekend for purple | SLICER::HUNT | Ted, that's a Rolls Royce !!! | Mon Oct 28 1991 13:12 | 26 |
155.269 | As Johnny Carson says 'weird wild stuff' | CAM::WAY | Go Wahoos! | Mon Oct 28 1991 13:29 | 11 |
| Bob,
Thanks for the info.
It's really funny, I was sitting here thinking that the football team
hasn't worn purple in over 50 years. I wonder if all those years
they had purple jersies made up but never used, or if they went out
special to have them made this week 8^)
'Saw
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155.270 | | FSOA::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Mon Oct 28 1991 14:10 | 5 |
| John Heisman coached Georgia Tech (including their 222-0 win over
Cumberland) but I don't know if he ever coached Clemson. Frank Howard
was probably the most noted coach Clemson ever had.
John
|
155.271 | Bobcats were first | SHALOT::MEDVID | be still be calm be quiet now | Mon Oct 28 1991 14:50 | 10 |
| > I don't know when the Tiger Paw logo was drawn up but it has been a
> colossal marketing success.
It was one year after Ohio University went to the paw logo (I think
somewhere in the mid 70's). An OU alum who became a grad assistant at
Clemson sold the Tiger powers that be on the idea and the rest is
sordid history.
--dan'l
|
155.272 | | PEAKS::WOESTEHOFF | Save Waldo Canyon | Mon Oct 28 1991 14:55 | 10 |
| > It was one year after Ohio University went to the paw logo (I think
> somewhere in the mid 70's). An OU alum who became a grad assistant at
> Clemson sold the Tiger powers that be on the idea and the rest is
> sordid history.
When I went to OU, they had the paw logo for all 4 years. That was 1967-1971.
I have no idea when OU adopted the paw but I always liked it.
Keith
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155.273 | Packs woofull day at the pasture... | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Billy Jack for President! | Mon Oct 28 1991 20:35 | 26 |
|
Ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! What a suck game! State couldn't move the ball
all game long. The defense let them down, the offense let them down,
the COACHES let everybody down! Clemson just played better football
this week.
Can't believe the State coaches let Clemson use the same pass play
6 straight times to move the ball. What were they thinking?
As for the Purple jerseys...All IPTAY(I Plow Taters All Day)members
were sent a questionnaire...asking...would they like to see purple added
to the colors of Clemson and also would they like night games.
Well, the Purple won and the Clemson faithful can't drive at night
so no mo night games unless T.V($$$) rules come into play.
Had a great time at the Bar-B-Q Friday night! The pack has some
great and very friendly fans. Saturday was a great day for
football..except the Pack didn't show up...still had a great time
tailgate'n it!
Have to hope for the best now...a Clemson loss and a pack over Va
win.
B.A.
|
155.274 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Billy Jack for President! | Fri Nov 08 1991 17:01 | 13 |
|
O.K. Bob,
Cut us some slack tomorrow..we're do for a win over the Yahoo's!
But *If* I were a betting man, I'd take the Cavs and 7.
UNC with the upset over the tiggers!
Love to see Furman over Tech, but Tech will prevail.
B.A.
|
155.275 | Hoos unbeaten in 6 straight | SHALOT::HUNT | I Survived Megastorm '91 | Fri Nov 08 1991 17:27 | 3 |
| No way, B.A. Do it, Hoos. Smack the Pack.
Bob Hunt
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155.276 | Walloping Wahoos Smack Pack; Fickle Frozen Fans Flee Field | SHALOT::HUNT | Musicians For Free-Range Chickens | Mon Nov 11 1991 11:58 | 17 |
| Virginia 42, North Carolina State 10
'Saw, you picked the right team and the right time for a bandwagon ride.
The Wahoos are playing the best football of any team in the conference
right now. Matt Blundin is a legitimate ACC Player Of The Year candidate.
The Pack was completely helpless as the Hoos just stomped all over them in
miserable playing conditions in Raleigh in front of an NC State Homecoming
crowd. Most of whom headed for the post-game parties at halftime.
The Peach and Gator Bowls are said to be interested in the Hoos. They're
up to No. 21 in the AP poll this week. Unbeaten in the their lasted 7
games with a week off before the hated Va Tech Hokies invade C'ville.
Light year's difference between this year and last ... Lasted year's team
crashed with a sickening thud ... this one is surging.
Bob Hunt
|
155.277 | | CAM::WAY | If it's no' Scottish it's CRAP! | Mon Nov 11 1991 12:01 | 14 |
| > Virginia 42, North Carolina State 10
> 'Saw, you picked the right team and the right time for a bandwagon ride.
> The Wahoos are playing the best football of any team in the conference
> right now. Matt Blundin is a legitimate ACC Player Of The Year candidate.
I couldn't be happier. And with Clemson's defeat of UNC, I was a
wonderful weekend at that.
Go Wahoos!
8^)
|
155.278 | It's time! ;-) | GUSHER::WAUGAMAN | | Mon Nov 11 1991 12:21 | 9 |
|
I think this year's Virginia squad is better than last year's, to
tell you the truth. Sure, he doesn't get the pub that Shawn Moore
did, but this Blundin kid's for real too!
Go 'Hoos! Whatta team! Crush Tech, crush!
glenn
|
155.279 | Will Waugaman's Whammy Waylay Winning Wahoos ??? | SHALOT::HUNT | Musicians For Free-Range Chickens | Mon Nov 11 1991 13:49 | 19 |
155.280 | ugh! | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Mon Nov 11 1991 14:27 | 18 |
| Good show by the Hoos.
State should quit scheduling them. I guess Sheridan will never beat them.
And at least let Virginia come to town and beat em early and get it out
of the way. Don't wait for homecoming.
Or how about wait until after the bowl bids. Imagine if they had gone out
last week before this game. Some people had the Pack in the Gator Bowl
and Virginia in some third rate event, if at all.
> If Welsh hadn't blown the Georgia Tech game, they'd be looking at an even
> higher ranking and a possible 2nd place finish in the conference.
Even with this blunder, I think Welsh should get coach of the year for
turning the Hoos around from a dreadful start to what they've done. And
while I'm at it, I might even give Blundin the MVP.
TTom
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155.281 | | FSDEV::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Mon Nov 11 1991 14:43 | 11 |
| Yo, Bob -
Given that you hate North Carolina and Clemson about as much as I hate
Boston College and Connecticut, who do you cheer for when they square
off? Or do you do what I do and pray for a bomb to hit whatever venue
they are playing in?
John
PS - in the NCAA women's soccer tournament, we have the following
matchups: Connecticut at Virginia, North Carolina State at North
Carolina, Hartford at Wisconsin and Stanford at Colorado College
|
155.282 | yeah, Bob, how 'bout that? | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Mon Nov 11 1991 14:47 | 10 |
| Yeah, I'd be interested in that too, John.
Personally, I don't have a problem with Clemson so it's a no brainer for
me: Yes, very happy that Clemson won in absolutely dismal conditions at
Chapel Hill. I'm especially glad that it was close for a while with No
Carolina even missing out on a couple of chances to score. Mack Brown did
not disappoint and used this is in his coulda-woulda explanation of
another defeat after 4 years of national recruiting success.
TTom
|
155.283 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Mon Nov 11 1991 15:35 | 15 |
| Why does it seem like everyone hates Clemson? I kind of get the
impression that they're kind of like BYU in the WAC - hated by everyone
else in the conference.
> PS - in the NCAA women's soccer tournament, we have the following
> matchups: Connecticut at Virginia, North Carolina State at North
> Carolina, Hartford at Wisconsin and Stanford at Colorado College
John, so it's down to the final 8 teams I assume? Not that I'm a big
fan of women's college soccer, but I know Colorado College has reached
the final 4 the past few years but always seem to lose to North
Carolina. Maybe they can finally take it all.
Joe
|
155.284 | | FSDEV::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Mon Nov 11 1991 15:51 | 4 |
| It is down to the final 8 teams. I can relate to losing to North
Carolina in women's soccer because everyone seems to do that. :-(
John
|
155.285 | UNC womens soccer = best program around | GEMVAX::HILL | | Mon Nov 11 1991 15:58 | 8 |
| re last
In fact, the nucleus of the USA womens team is from North Carolina. Th
coach is the ex-UNC coach, and many of the players have come through
the system. The USA women are one of the co-favorites (with Sweden,
Brazil & Germany) to win the womens' World Cup in China later this
month.
Tom
|
155.286 | | CAM::WAY | If it's no' Scottish it's CRAP! | Mon Nov 11 1991 16:12 | 1 |
| I don't dislike Clemson. I was glad they beat UNC.....
|
155.287 | Clemson the lesser of two evils ... | SHALOT::HUNT | Musicians For Free-Range Chickens | Mon Nov 11 1991 16:48 | 17 |
| I used to *really* dislike Clemson's football team when they had that 29-0
record against my Wahoos. And throw in their habitual NCAA scandals and
probations and outlaw image and they were easy to hate.
But Ken Hatfield has them on the straight and narrow now plus the Hoos
have their first-ever win and a Death Valley tie against them and so the
Paws a little less detestable. A little ...
It wouldn't have broken my heart if *both* team busses had flat tires on
the way to the game. And, if it ended in a 0-0 tie, that would have been
fine, too.
Remember the age-old rule, though, whenever you're in doubt ... A good
Wahoo's two favorite teams are Virginia and whomever is playing against
Carolina.
Bob Hunt
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155.288 | Unparalleled dynasty. | RHETT::KNORR | Carolina Blue | Mon Nov 11 1991 17:14 | 15 |
| > coach is the ex-UNC coach
Small nit. Anson Dorrance is *still* coach of the UNC women's soccer
team. He's simply doing double-duty and coaching *both* the Lady Tar
Heels and the World Cup. Unfortunately there's now a conflict and he
(along with several UNC players) will be unable to participate in the
NCAA Tournament. Even with this handicap, Carolina very well may be
favored to win the whole thing.
The women's soccer program that Dorrance has built at Chapel Hill
compares favorably with virtually any dynasty in college sport. Truly
an amazing record ...
- ACC Chris
|
155.289 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Billy Jack for President! | Mon Nov 11 1991 17:22 | 21 |
| Mr.Hunt,
You failed to mention that the Yahoos put out the *second* string
quaterback! Then the pack had to go with a true fresman! Needless to
say, it really wouldn't have matterd. The yahoo's put on a great show!
They are much better than their ranking indicates.
In other conference games...FURMAN SHOULD HAVE BEAT TECH!!!!! They
had them beat! But that same old kicker that failed to beat Clemson,
but beat Va did it again.
Clemson rolled over the tar-babies...not even a game.
Wake was the surprise of the day...Creaming Duke!
Next time Bob, I'm going to ask that the Yahoos cream the Pack, cause I
asked for a little help this time and didn't get any! :*)
B.A.
|
155.290 | ACC happenings ... | SCNDRL::HUNT | From the young man in the 22nd row ... | Mon Nov 18 1991 14:07 | 24 |
| Clemson wins the ACC title with a win over Maryland.
You really can't get too upset over it because they did win all the games
they had to win but the Tigers really reaped the benefits this year of an
incredible home schedule. They played Georgia Tech, Virginia, NC State,
Wake Forest, and Maryland all at home in Death Valley. They played
North Carolina on the road and Duke they see in a neutral site ... Tokyo.
The amazing Wahoos picked up another notch in the Top 25 moving up to the
No. 21 slot. And they had the week off !!! No doubt they didn't deserve
this morally bankrupt honor. Civilization is doomed.
The bowl picture looks like this ...
Clemson in the Citrus versus California
NC State in the Peach versus East Carolina
Georgia Tech in the Aloha versus Stanford
Virginia in the Gator versus Oklahoma (probably)
North Carolina is on the bubble for the Independence Bowl against
Georgia. They must beat Duke and then hope Arkansas loses it last
game.
Bob Hunt
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155.291 | Where's RAVING::SMITH when you don't need him? | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | Any knucklehead can score | Mon Nov 18 1991 15:16 | 12 |
| re .290:
> Clemson wins the ACC title with a win over Maryland.
> You really can't get too upset over it...
...because a certain raving individual who would have put "CLEMSON
TIGERS #1! CLEMSON TIGERS #1!" in 23,000 different notes in here is no
longer with DEC. :-)
py
|
155.292 | RICH is still alive! | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Time for F.A.R.T. again! | Mon Nov 18 1991 16:13 | 13 |
155.293 | On a roll, baby ... | SCNDRL::HUNT | Fenestracryptographer Wannabe | Mon Nov 25 1991 16:38 | 31 |
| Well, I don't give a dang who cares about it but Ah am a_goin' to "strut my
chest", if'n ya'll don't mind ...
Way to go, Hoos. Way to go. Beat dem damn Hokies and finish up the
regular season with a very very nice 8-2-1 record, 4-2-1 in the ACC.
Started the season with a 1-2 record and things were lookin' bleaker than
bleak. Eight games later and they ain't lost since.
38-0 over the hated turkeys from Blacksburg. Matt Blundin just might have
sewn up the ACC POY with another superb day as he broke the NCAA record for
most consecutive pass attempts without an interception. Nikki Fisher
gained over 100 yards rushing for the day and the Hoos even ran back the
2nd half kickoff, the only kickoff Va Tech had.
Believe it or not, at 4-2-1, they actually finish 4th in the conference
behind champ Clemson at 5-0-1 (soon to be 6-0-1 against Duke in Tokyo) and
Ga Tech and NC State with 5-2 records. The Maryland loss to open the
season kept them from title contention but I proudly contend that no team
in the conference is playing better football right now than Virginia.
Kickin butt and takin names ...
Do it, Hoos ... Bring on Oklahoma in the Gator. I want some Sooner butt.
What an incredible contrast to lasted year. Mirror image. This team is
playing much better than lasted year's ill-fated squad.
Hope you're enjoying the ride, 'Saw, it's a good one. My only regret is
not being there to seem them beat the Hokies. I would have loved yet
another chance to laugh in hysterics at their ridiculous "Hightie Tighties"
marching band.
Bob Hunt
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155.294 | | CAMONE::WAY | The King of the Droods(tm) | Mon Nov 25 1991 16:56 | 17 |
| >Hope you're enjoying the ride, 'Saw, it's a good one. My only regret is
>not being there to seem them beat the Hokies. I would have loved yet
>another chance to laugh in hysterics at their ridiculous "Hightie Tighties"
>marching band.
YES, you are RIGHT sir.
Sure, I saw that they're in that Bowl, and I was pleased. I keep flippin
through my channels on Saturdays, hoping to find them, but alas, no
such luck....8^( The bested I can do is seeing scores flash up
on the other games they show up here.....
Go Hoos!!!!!
'Saw
|
155.295 | How 'bout the head coach's butt (and head), too, Bob? | GUSHER::WAUGAMAN | | Mon Nov 25 1991 17:10 | 18 |
|
> Do it, Hoos ... Bring on Oklahoma in the Gator. I want some Sooner butt.
> What an incredible contrast to lasted year. Mirror image. This team is
> playing much better than lasted year's ill-fated squad.
Is Oklahoma locked into the Gator, win or lose against Nebraska?
I hope not. Earlier I saw that they might be headed to the
Blockbuster for a traditional pairing with 'Bama, with the Huskers
dropping down to the Gator if they lose this Friday.
If the Huskers beat the Sooners, I predict that Virginia stomps
the Sooners bad to make Oklahoma's season a complete and total
humiliation, culminating in Coach Gary Gibbs' firing. The Sooners
have a fine Big Four bowl record; unfortunately, they haven't fared
as well in the non-primetime games...
glenn
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155.296 | Bring 'em on ... | SCNDRL::HUNT | Fenestracryptographer Wannabe | Mon Nov 25 1991 17:41 | 7 |
| Glenn, today's paper still has the Hoos' Gator opponent as the Big 8's 3rd
place team ... Oklahoma looks dialed into that slot for now but it could
change, I believe, if the Sooners beat the Huskers.
Either one, I don't care ... The Hoos are playing great ball.
Bob Hunt
|
155.297 | | GENRAL::WADE | the buck of the Irish | Mon Nov 25 1991 19:38 | 13 |
|
If NU wins: NU to the Orange
CU to the Blockbuster
OU to the Gator
If OU wins: CU to the Orange
OU to the Blockbuster
NU to the Gator
I think..... :^)
Claybone
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155.298 | What if it's a tie? | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Pats 16 - Bills 13! WOODYWARD!! | Tue Nov 26 1991 16:17 | 1 |
|
|
155.299 | Blundin :== ACC POY | SHALOT::HUNT | Musicians For Free-Range Chickens | Wed Nov 27 1991 17:42 | 25 |
| Matt Blundin -- 1991 ACC Player Of The Year.
In a landslide vote, Wahoos quarterback Matt Blundin was selected as the
ACC's top player this year. Blundin broke Illinois' Jack Trudeau's season
record for most passes without an interception as he threw over 220 passes
without a pick. Not one pass picked off all year long.
Blundin sat out two early season games with an infected elbow but came
back to lead Virginia to an 8-game unbeaten string and a berth in the
Gator Bowl.
Shawn Jones of Ga Tech was 2nd, Terry Kirby of Virginia was 3rd and two
Clemson players were 4th and 5th.
Also, Wahoo tackle Ray Roberts was named to the First Team All-American
squad by AP, I believe.
If Blundin is drafted by the NFL and makes a team, that will be four
Virginia quarterbacks on NFL rosters ... along with Don Majkowski in Green
Bay, Shawn Moore in Denver, and Scott Secules in Miami, last I knew.
Add Boomer Esiason, Neil O'Donnell, and Erik Kramer and the ACC itself is
nicely represented among NFL signal callers.
Bob Hunt
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155.300 | Most are benchwarmers, but still a feat... | GUSHER::WAUGAMAN | | Wed Nov 27 1991 17:50 | 17 |
|
> If Blundin is drafted by the NFL and makes a team, that will be four
> Virginia quarterbacks on NFL rosters ... along with Don Majkowski in Green
> Bay, Shawn Moore in Denver, and Scott Secules in Miami, last I knew.
>
> Add Boomer Esiason, Neil O'Donnell, and Erik Kramer and the ACC itself is
> nicely represented among NFL signal callers.
Don't forget *three* additional Maryland quarterbacks (as well
as Boomer and O'Donnell) in Stan Gelbaugh, Scott Zolak, and Frank
Reich, for a total of five-- that's got to be some kind of record
for simultaneously active QB alumni. Joe Krivac is/was a great
offensive/QB coach. Unfortunately he has the motivational inclination
of a potato.
glenn
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155.301 | ACC season is a wrap ... Welsh gets COY | SCNDRL::HUNT | Fenestracryptographer Wannabe | Mon Dec 02 1991 14:35 | 15 |
| Clemson wrapped things up with a win over Duke in Tokyo while Ga Tech lost
to UGA, their hated in-state rivals from Athens.
George Welsh was voted the ACC Coach Of The Year. Although I *still*
fault him for poor game coaching in the final minutes against Ga Tech, he
did indeed bring the team roaring back from a 1-2 start and had them
playing better football than anyone else in the conference as the season
wound down.
What a marked contrast to lasted year when the team peaked early and
then flamed badly ... this year, they struggled in September and then
turned on the jets in October and November. They should give Oklahoma all
they can handle in the Gator Bowl in Jacksonville.
Bob Hunt
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155.302 | | CAMONE::WAY | The King of the Droods(tm) | Mon Dec 02 1991 14:59 | 1 |
| Go 'hoos!
|
155.303 | | CTHQ2::LEARY | busted flat in baton rouge | Thu Dec 26 1991 11:56 | 14 |
| Aloha Bowl
Georgia Tech 18 Stanford 17
Surprised by this outcome. Caught glimpses of this one. Seems like
every time I paid attention, Stanford was having a critical
third down conversion for a first down brought back for some
infraction. What happened, did Ga. Tech bring da Clemson refs?
Cardinal must be stunned today. I thought for sure they would win.
Oh well, 0-2 in the bowl contest.
MikeL
|
155.304 | Big punt return | CSC32::J_HENSON | I'll 2nd that amendment! | Thu Dec 26 1991 12:20 | 20 |
| >> <<< Note 155.303 by CTHQ2::LEARY "busted flat in baton rouge" >>>
>> Georgia Tech 18 Stanford 17
>> infraction. What happened, did Ga. Tech bring da Clemson refs?
Ga. Tech had a big punt return late in the game (about 3 or 4 minutes
left) that set up Tech's go-ahead score. Then they went for two and
made it. Also, Tommy Vardell missed most of the second half with a
bad shoulder. The announcers (for what it's worth) seemed to think
that with Vardell in there the outcome would have been different.
They're probably right, as Vardell enhances Stanford's ball control
game. He still finished with more than 100 yards.
I watched most of the second half, and it was pretty much a defensive
struggle, with a few turnovers thrown in for good measure. Tech
did fumble at the goal line (Stanford recovered) on what would have
been the go ahead touchdown.
Jerry
|
155.305 | What's the deal with Ross? | SHALOT::MEDVID | Cooler than Jesus | Thu Dec 26 1991 12:31 | 7 |
| The announcers and ESPN's SportsCenter kept emphasizing that this may
be Bobby Ross's last season at GT. Why? Are they unhappy with the
season he put in this year? Is Ross moving on to greener
pastures...what could be greener than winning a national championship?
Is he retiring?
--dan'l
|
155.306 | | FSOA::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Thu Dec 26 1991 12:33 | 5 |
| Ross is a leading candidate to move onto one of the vacant NFL jobs.
Basically, Ross doesn't like doing a lot of the things college coaches
have to do - recruit, public speaking, kissing up to alumni.
John
|
155.307 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Time for F.A.R.T. again! | Thu Dec 26 1991 12:37 | 9 |
|
BTW,
The Clemson refs are in Orlando! :*)
Tech pulled off a great game!
B.A.
|
155.308 | | HPSRAD::RIEU | Read his Lips...Know new taxes | Thu Dec 26 1991 12:37 | 2 |
| Hottest rumor is Ross going to San Diego.
Denny
|
155.309 | | CTHQ2::LEARY | busted flat in baton rouge | Thu Dec 26 1991 12:48 | 7 |
| Ninj,
Wait a sec. Holtz never kissed up to me! 8^)
Wait'll I become a millionaire, won't he be sorry!
MikeL
|
155.310 | What happened! | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | How many more days till Daytona? | Mon Dec 30 1991 09:16 | 10 |
|
Bob,
Was the Sooners THAT good or was Va having a really Bad,Bad, night?
They cost me some $$$$...to say the least!
ACC...1-1 so far.
B.A.
|
155.311 | Well, BobHunt did say that he wanted some Sooner meat... | GUSHER::WAUGAMAN | | Mon Dec 30 1991 11:55 | 20 |
|
> Was the Sooners THAT good or was Va having a really Bad,Bad, night?
The Sooners may indeed be *that* good. With the prospect of losing
his job hanging over his head, Gary Gibbs finally decided to unleash
Cale Gundy's passing talent, the same untapped talent that has had
Sooner fans wondering why a passing-style QB was starting but wasn't
being utilized in boring, ineffectual offensive displays (and losses)
against Texas, Colorado, and Nebraska the past two years. I think
Gundy only threw six incompletions last night (25-31?, 325+ yards),
and four of those were on bombs. Another pass in the third quarter
was dropped, and the only poorly thrown ball I saw all night came on
Gundy's first attempt. I believe Gundy broke the Big-8 bowl game
passing record, not to mention OU's all-time single-game record.
Geez, George Welsh isn't a really nice guy when he's down, is he
(can't say that I blame him, though)?
glenn
|
155.312 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | How many more days till Daytona? | Mon Dec 30 1991 12:07 | 6 |
|
The Sooners were really impressive! That Q/B is good! Is he a
Frosh?
B.A.
|
155.313 | Hey 'Saw, time to find another bandwagon... | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Aristotle,Socrates,Euclid,D.Smith | Mon Dec 30 1991 12:15 | 1 |
|
|
155.314 | | CAMONE::WAY | Wake up Mamma, turn your lamp down low | Mon Dec 30 1991 12:18 | 16 |
| > -< Hey 'Saw, time to find another bandwagon... >-
I was reading last night (King's "Needful Things") but I had ESPN
on with the volume down low. I caught the Virginia score and thought
"There's Always Nexted Year"....
Nope, it's rare that I jump on a Bandwagon, but even more rare that
I jump off once I've embarked....
'Saw
|
155.315 | | CTHQ1::LEARY | busted flat in baton rouge | Mon Dec 30 1991 12:23 | 5 |
| Hey Slash, look who's talking!! 8^)
MikeL
|
155.316 | | AXIS::CHAPPEL | I'm a victim of coicumstance | Mon Dec 30 1991 14:26 | 13 |
155.317 | In 3rd, but NOT FOR LONG.... | CAMONE::WAY | Wake up Mamma, turn your lamp down low | Mon Dec 30 1991 14:55 | 21 |
| >
> So, 'Saw, How are the Whalers doing thised year ?
Absolutely putrid.
There was an excellent article in yesterday's Hartford Courant about
an NHL talent index. Basically everyone that the Whalers traded away
is rated higher than the boobs they got.
Cullen is useless. The 4 Million Dollar man that gave EJ his biggest
woodie is playing like sh_t. Zalapsky is like in Neverland, and
I haven't figured out WHAT Holik is trying to accomplish.
Hell, the only one on the team who's doing ANYTHING is Rob Brown, and
he still needs a haircut....
Attendance is down, interest is down, and Quebec is catchin' up....
'Saw
|
155.318 | Hoos were playing great a month ago, trust me ... | SHALOT::HUNT | Fluffy Bunny Feet | Mon Dec 30 1991 15:39 | 21 |
| Ouch. I turned the game on shortly after halftime and pretty quickly
snapped it off with the score at 48-7. What was the final ???
Hoos musta looked pretty pathetic. Hey, bad games happen. Maybe it was
the month-long layoff. Probably a lot of it was just the Sooners.
Funny aside: Yesterday, the HUNTcluster made the l-o-n-g post-holiday
trip from Jersey back home to Charlotte. We stopped in Charlottesville
(*great* halfway point on this trip, by the way) for a bite to eat and a
quick ride around the hallowed grounds.
Stopped the car nexted to an empty Scott Stadium and made the MicroHUNTs
get out and bow down and kiss the sacred earth. Did the same thing over
by University Hall (the "pregnant clam") and also made them pray-chant
"God Bless Mr Jefferson" as we passed by the Rotunda and The Lawn.
They drew the line at going into the old frat house, though. Said it
looked too dirty and all "icky". Had to agree with 'em. Don't know how
I ever lived there for all those years. I must be getting old.
Bob Hunt
|
155.319 | Sounds perilously close to Dean Dome-idolatry! | GUSHER::WAUGAMAN | | Mon Dec 30 1991 15:47 | 10 |
|
> Stopped the car nexted to an empty Scott Stadium and made the MicroHUNTs
> get out and bow down and kiss the sacred earth.
Has the friendly social services worker been by your house yet today,
Bob? This kind of thing constitutes child abuse in at least 49
of 50 states, Bob... ;-)
glenn
|
155.320 | Hey, at least I went to the school !!! | SHALOT::HUNT | Fluffy Bunny Feet | Mon Dec 30 1991 15:57 | 10 |
155.321 | Fair warned | MCIS2::CLAYBROOK | | Mon Dec 30 1991 18:20 | 10 |
| Cale Gundy said all week long that he was gonna pass the ball
over thirty times in the game, well Virginia's coach must be
thinking, geez I wish I had believed him. Oh am I glad that
Air Force beat Mississippi State last night, MSU fans must of
had 20,000 cowbells there, I don't understand that one, there nick
name is the bulldog's.
Dan
|
155.322 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | How many more days till Daytona? | Mon Dec 30 1991 18:55 | 9 |
|
Hunt,
What is UVa's record in bowl games? Just curious...
I think the poor performance was due to the fack that UVa just had
finished exams! :*) go figure...
B.A.
|
155.323 | Still new at this bowl stuff ... | SHALOT::HUNT | Fluffy Bunny Feet | Mon Dec 30 1991 19:46 | 17 |
| Virginia is now 2-3 lifetime in post-season bowl games, I believe.
1983 Virginia over Purdue in Peach Bowl
1986 Virginia over Brigham Young in Holiday Bowl
1989 Illinois over Virginia in Citrus Bowl
1990 Tennessee over Virginia in Sugar Bowl
1991 Oklahoma over Virginia in Gator Bowl
Have to reverse this losing trend. Sure seemed like Welsh had the touch
in their firsted two bowls but times sure have changed. Might also be
the competition ...
With three straight Top 25 teams, I hope it's a safe statement to say that
the program is in good shape. Now it's time to take that nexted leap ...
that of perpetual Top Ten inhabitant. That'll be a tough chore.
Bob Hunt
|
155.324 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | Bang!Bang! Let the Music go Bang! | Tue Dec 31 1991 11:17 | 9 |
|
Dan,
One of the announcers said the story goes, that way back when the
rivalry with Ole Miss was so dominated by Ole Miss that duuring one year
a cow crossed the field at half time and So Miss finally won a game.
Ever since then they've used the cowbells as a good luck charm....
mike
|
155.325 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | How many more days till Daytona? | Thu Jan 02 1992 08:54 | 15 |
|
All I can say is that at least the Pack showed up...they may have
left a little early, but they still made it a ballgame...unlike the
Tiggers or the Yahoos.
GO ECU!!! :*0
The Tiggers got the tar beat out of them! The Golden Bears looked
Golden! The Tiggers had two ejections...The Tiggers can't seem the win
without the Clemson Mafia! aka,Refs!
ACC- 1-3 this year...booo...
B.A.
|
155.326 | | CTHQ3::LEARY | busted flat in baton rouge | Thu Jan 02 1992 11:47 | 9 |
| B.A,
The Clemsuck refs helped Ga. Tech beat Stanford and were unavailable
fo' the Citrus
HTH.
MikeL
P.S. What a comeback by ECU!
|
155.327 | ECU's Bill Lewis to Ga Tech | HBAHBA::HAAS | Mental Model | Tue Jan 07 1992 14:45 | 11 |
| Bill Lewis of East Carolina and the #9 Pirates has taken the job as head
coach at Georgia Tech, replacing Bobby Ross who's gone to the NFL's San
Diego Chargers.
Lewis had previously been the defensive backs coach at Tech during
1971-73.
This will be his 3rd head coaching job. He was at Wyoming 3 years before
coming to ECU.
TTom
|
155.328 | Do I wanna be king or a nose guard ??? | SHALOT::HUNT | Is that a great new Pepsi can or what? | Tue Feb 18 1992 19:00 | 33 |
| Okay, now here's something *very* different. You definitely don't run
across this situation in college football every day ...
NC State has a nose guard on the team (forget his name) who is a native of
American Samoa. American Samoa, as some may know, is a small Pacific
island a coupla thousand miles southwest of Hawaii. It's an American
"protectorate" and it has turned out a lot of gifted football players.
Mosi Tatupu, Frank Manumaluega, to name just a few.
Seems as though this Wolfpack nose guard is royalty in American Samoa.
There is a civilian government on the island but there are also 4 separate
little kingdoms on the island whose rulers are heavily involved in local
affairs. This kid's grandfather was the ruling Matai (king) of one of
the 4 kingdoms and had hand-picked this particular grandson as his direct
successor upon his death.
A month or so ago, the young lad returned to American Samoa to discuss his
future with his ailing grandfather. After much discussion, he chose to
remain at NC State and finish his education and then pursue a career in
the NFL or in law enforcement. His grandfather understood and approved
his decision. {Aside: No one else from this family has ever graduated
college and that played a big part in the grandfather's approval.}
The grandfather died two weeks ago. One of the other descendents
(brother?) will assume the Matai for now but the door is to remain open
should the Wolfpack player decide at some future date that he'd like to be
the king instead of a pro football player or a cop.
Is that wild or what ??? Pack coach Dick Sheridan said he couldn't ever
remember anyone dealing with a situation like this before. Makes it
tough to pencil in a depth chart, don'tcha think ???
Bob Hunt
|
155.329 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Time for some ROCK and roll! | Tue Feb 18 1992 20:47 | 5 |
| re-1,
He made the right decison! LAW!!!
B.A.
|
155.330 | 92 Pack schedule | HBAHBA::HAAS | WTOE Radio | Wed Jun 03 1992 18:40 | 19 |
| NC State's 1992 Football Schedule
Aug 29 Kickoff Classic vs Iowa, East Rutherford, 9 pm
Sep 5 vs Appalachian St, 7 pm
Sep 12 at Maryland, 12:10 pm
Sep 19 vs Florida St, 12:10 pm
Sep 26 at No Carolina, 1:30 pm
Oct 3 at Georgia Tech, 12:10 pm
Oct 10 vs Texas Tech, 1:00 pm
Oct 17 at Virginia Tech, 1:00 pm
Oct 24 vs Clemson, 1:00 pm
Nov 7 at Virginia, 12:10 pm
Nov 14 vs Duke, 12:10
Nov 21 vs Wake Forest, 1:00 pm
TTom
|
155.331 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Wed Jun 03 1992 19:33 | 7 |
| NC State and Iowa? Seems like the Kickoff Classic is losing its
luster.
Is FSU officially a member of the ACC this upcoming season?
Joe
|
155.332 | Go Hayden! Whatta Coach! Not! | HBAHBA::HAAS | WTOE Radio | Wed Jun 03 1992 20:12 | 10 |
| I don't know how State ended up in the Kickoff Classic.
I can remember a very eventful game about 4 or so years ago when Iowa
played Tennessee. Iowa was marching down the field and got to about the
5. Hayden Fry(e) called a time out and *SUBSTITUTED QUARTERBACKS*. First
play by the new guy was a TD, 90+ yard interception by the Vols.
Florida State is officially within the ACC now.
TTom
|
155.333 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Goin' back to Cali, Cali! | Wed Jun 03 1992 22:28 | 5 |
155.334 | Automatic?? | CTHQ1::LEARY | Six, two, and even. | Thu Jun 04 1992 13:28 | 7 |
| Showing me ACC foosball ignorance here,
Is FSU the odds-on-fav to smack all the other ACC's upside the haid
and romp to the conference crown?
MikeL
Who's looking forward to ND's home and home with FSU in '93 and '94.
|
155.335 | big favorite | HBAHBA::HAAS | WTOE Radio | Thu Jun 04 1992 14:33 | 7 |
| In a word, yes. I don't know if the play at Clemson this year but that
would be the only game that there would be any expectation of a contest.
Now that's not to say that they might not get beat but I'd say the
Seminoles would be better than even money against the rest of the
conference to win the title and enter the MegaBucks Bowl Sweepstakes.
TTom
|
155.336 | FSU, Clemson, and the rest | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Thu Jun 04 1992 14:56 | 12 |
| > In a word, yes. I don't know if the play at Clemson this year but that
> would be the only game that there would be any expectation of a contest.
> Now that's not to say that they might not get beat but I'd say the
> Seminoles would be better than even money against the rest of the
> conference to win the title and enter the MegaBucks Bowl Sweepstakes.
That isn't good news for the rest of the ACC when you consider the fact
that FSU is getting hit fairly hard by graduation. The rest of the ACC
was just starting to catch up to Clemson on the gridiron in recent
years.
Joe
|
155.337 | Casey,where are you? Couldn't resist, Joe | CTHQ1::LEARY | Six, two, and even. | Thu Jun 04 1992 15:41 | 4 |
| Graduation or No Eligibility Left?
MikeL
|
155.338 | factory | HBAHBA::HAAS | WTOE Radio | Thu Jun 04 1992 15:50 | 14 |
| Flordia State, there MikeL, not Clemson.
Actually last year was sort of a rebuilding year for FSU. They had their
backfield and that was about it. At one time or another I think they were
starting 7 freshmen and/or sophomores on defense.
But with FSU, it's a factory and any rebuilding is really restocking,
more and more high school All-Ams.
And no, it aint' great for the rest of the league in the short term. One
can only hope that FSU brings the overall talent level up, if only so you
can play against the Seminoles.
TTom
|
155.339 | | CTHQ3::LEARY | Six, two, and even. | Thu Jun 04 1992 18:35 | 10 |
| Ah meant FSU TTom 8^)
Actually I think you hit nail on the haid in your first reply. With the
ACC gittin a representative in the Great #1 Bakeoff, A lot of down-home
talent jest might stay there and rise to the level of FSU in time.
As long as Clemson and UNC stay, ahem, caged and heeled ,sic, in
foosball.
MikeL
|
155.340 | No way! | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | Goin' back to Cali, Cali! | Thu Jun 04 1992 19:17 | 10 |
|
I disagree...Fla.St. may have the upper hand in the
conference, but teams like UNC,State and Uva along with Clemsuck will
give the injuns all they cain handle.
I even go as far as saying that Fla.St. will lose (2) games in the
conference!
B.A. Go Pack!
|
155.341 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Thu Jun 04 1992 20:13 | 17 |
|
> Actually last year was sort of a rebuilding year for FSU. They had their
> backfield and that was about it. At one time or another I think they were
> starting 7 freshmen and/or sophomores on defense.
I wouldn't call last year a rebuilding year for the Noles - they
brought back something like 17 starters, and about 95% of the preseason
polls and publications had them as their #1 team.
But I'll agree that with them being a factory, they shouldn't suffer
a huge dropoff this season.
BTW, last year was supposed to be somewhat of a rebuilding year for the
Canes.
Joe
|
155.342 | Hardly the prototype of an ACC schedule | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Tue Jun 09 1992 15:22 | 7 |
| RE: back a few
FSU plays at Clemson early in the season.
Outside the ACC the Noles play at Florida and at Miami.
Joe
|
155.343 | FSU will be in the hunt at the end | CTHQ2::LEARY | Six, two, and even. | Tue Jun 09 1992 15:26 | 6 |
| Pretty impressive Joe,
Must need SOME toughies by Bowl-time
8^),
MikeL
|
155.344 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | | Tue Jun 09 1992 22:26 | 3 |
| Small nit: FSU gets the Gators at home this coming season.
Joe
|
155.345 | 1992 Pre-Season Poll | SHALOT::HUNT | Heartbreak Motor Oil and Bombay Gin | Tue Jul 28 1992 14:20 | 21 |
| The ACC's pre-season football poll, as voted by the conference writers and
broadcasters, is out ...
1. Florida State
2. Clemson
3. Virginia
4. North Carolina State
5. Georgia Tech
6. North Carolina
7. Maryland
8. Duke
9. Wake Forest
Florida State is an overwhelming favorite as expected. But they do play
Clemson, Virginia, NC State, and Ga Tech all on the road. Of course,
they've shown an amazing ability to win tough games on the road over the
years so this might not faze them ...
Wake Forest is helpless.
Bob Hunt
|
155.346 | Mack attack | HBAHBA::HAAS | Head down Frogman | Tue Jul 28 1992 16:58 | 9 |
| > 6. North Carolina
Does this mean that we're supposed to wait another year on the Mack Brown
Development Program? What, it's only been 5 years now, better give him
some time to get his own players in, his own program, etc.
What happened to the back-to-back-to-back top 10 recruiting classes.
TTom
|
155.347 | Cupcakes are on the Carolina menu | SHALOT::HUNT | Heartbreak Motor Oil and Bombay Gin | Tue Aug 11 1992 15:42 | 17 |
| The Sporting News recently said that *no* major college football team in
the entire US of A will play an easier schedule of opponents this year
than Mack Brown's North Carolina Tar Heels.
In addition to the eight conference games, North Carolina plays Furman,
Army, and Navy ... all at home in Kenan Stadium. Furman is a very good
Div I-AA team. Army won all of four games last year including two against
Colgate and Akron. Navy won one game last year ... against Army.
In 1993, the Heels play Ohio, Texas-El Paso, and Tulane. In 1994, it's
Texas Christian, Tulane, and Southern Methodist. In 1995, they play
Syracuse, Louisville, and Ohio. However, they may replace Syracuse with
Chapel Hill High School if they can swing a rules change or two. :-)
Dean has taught Mack well.
Bob Hunt
|
155.348 | | SOLANA::MAY_BR | Inside Intel | Tue Aug 11 1992 15:45 | 2 |
|
Bob, you'll get the Clemson people all riled if you make fun of Furman.
|
155.349 | | RUGBY1::way | There are monkey boys in the facility | Tue Aug 11 1992 16:13 | 1 |
| Hey, at least they aren't playing Bob Jones University! 8^)
|
155.350 | Furman's good in their own league | SHALOT::HUNT | Heartbreak Motor Oil and Bombay Gin | Tue Aug 11 1992 16:16 | 12 |
| I ain't making fun of the Purple Paladins of Furman. They are a very
good Div I-AA football team. Lasted year, they were ranked No. 20 in the
final Div I-AA poll and I believe they won the Div I-AA national title
playoffs a few seasons ago.
Point is that UNC has *no* business playing I-AA teams (and neither does
Virginia for anyone who's thinking of starting that rathole up again).
If Furman played 11 games against Div I-A teams, they'd probably finish
0-11 or maybe 1-10. They are *not* a Div I-A caliber opponent ... yet
the Heels scheduled them.
Bob Hunt
|
155.351 | get a real program, Chapel Hill | HBAHBA::HAAS | Head down Frogman | Tue Aug 11 1992 16:27 | 13 |
| Mack must be under the gun to post some winning numbers at No Carolina.
The problem that he has is that despite the outta conference cupcakes,
he's looking at a losing conference record and the alumni notice those
kinda things.
I think it's pitiful. All you hear about is how Mack is gonna make the
Heels big time football again. With this this schedule, even if
he goes 8-3 the bowls will laugh at who they played.
BTW, look for the Heels to run it up big against these teams. It's
definitely their style.
TTom
|
155.352 | | NAC::G_WAUGAMAN | | Tue Aug 11 1992 16:53 | 16 |
|
> I think it's pitiful. All you hear about is how Mack is gonna make the
> Heels big time football again. With this this schedule, even if
> he goes 8-3 the bowls will laugh at who they played.
If UNC goes 8-3 they'll have finished 5-3 in the ACC. Is that to laugh
at (you don't want *me* to answer that question, do you? ;-)?
I don't think UNC's schedule differs significantly from the average ACC
schedule over the years. Hey, what did NC State play last year, two or
three 1-AA opponents? And Furman almost beat ACC "power" and reigning
national champ Georgia Tech last year. I think UNC is just playing to
par the course like everyone else in the ACC...
glenn
|
155.353 | Yeah but no but | HBAHBA::HAAS | Head down Frogman | Tue Aug 11 1992 18:30 | 19 |
| Glenn,
I'll give you that the ACC is playing a fairly lame series of schedules,
and has been. State played Va Tech and South Carolina outta conference
but also played - and barely/sorta beat - Marshall and that major
powerhouse Kent formerly State.
But, then again State has ended up in a bowl something like 4 outta the
lasted 5.
Meanwhile, Mack Brown and No Carolina are crowing each year about their
fabled recruiting under Brown. And they continue not getting it done.
And for sure you got me on the math of the numbers. If No Carolina or
almost any other school in the conference goes 5-3 having to play Florida
State and Clemson they'll go bowling.
TTom
loses 3 games in the ACC
|
155.354 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | I will truely miss my friends! | Tue Aug 11 1992 18:42 | 11 |
155.355 | PACKing time! | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | I will truely miss my friends! | Thu Aug 20 1992 19:49 | 11 |
|
Time to say goodbye! Yep, it's all over but the shouting!
TTom, Bob, Saw and many others, it's been fun and interesting and
sometimes a pain, but none the less, a great experience noting with
you! Thanks for a bunch of memories!
Go PACK!
Brian Adams
(B.A.)
|
155.356 | | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Megabucks Winner Wannabe | Thu Aug 20 1992 20:14 | 12 |
| B_A,
sorry to see ya go but glad y'all will still have a paycheck. Hope
AMP_etc. is good to y'all. You coming in over the weekend to work for
free?
Gonna miss some of the stuff you wrote and with ACC_Chris gone (your
clone right?), note 17 just won't be the same.
best o' luck,
Kev
|
155.357 | | CTHQ::MCCULLOUGH | Lindsey AND Melanie's dad | Thu Aug 20 1992 20:36 | 6 |
| B.A.
Good luck dude. No offense to the others (BobHunt, dan'l, etc), but I always
considered you our foremost athority on the South! 8^)
=Bob=
|
155.358 | Later, bud | SHALOT::HUNT | Sing Do Wah Diddy | Fri Aug 21 1992 14:08 | 6 |
| Good-bye, Brian. Take care and good luck with your new employers.
Bob Hunt
P.S. That's okay, =Bob=, I always considered you the authority on
raising daughters. :-)
|
155.359 | | CNTROL::CHILDS | If Bush was a horse, you'd shoot em' | Fri Aug 21 1992 14:09 | 2 |
|
yup Good Luck B_A.....sorry to see ya go
|
155.360 | | QUASER::JACKSONTA | Al Bundies feet=Ford Con. | Fri Aug 21 1992 15:34 | 5 |
| Have fun in yur new ventures!
Shake-ups are coming this way too....
Tim
|
155.361 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | Faiders are 0-2! | Mon Sep 14 1992 15:44 | 9 |
| Okay, what the heck does "IPTAY" mean???
That was one good game Saturday night. Gotta give Ward and FSU credit
for coming back in a hostile environment. It looked like Clemson might
have it after taking a 13-10 lead and having the momentum fully on
their side.
Joe
|
155.362 | IPTAY | SHALOT::HUNT | No, Daddy, I glued them on the fish! | Mon Sep 14 1992 15:52 | 16 |
| IPTAY is the acronym for the Clemson Booster Club. It started out many
many years ago as "I Pay Ten A Year" which was the goal back then ... $10
bucks a year got you into the IPTAY Club.
Then it became "I Pay Twenty A Year" and then "I Pay Thirty A Year". Then
they upped it to a $100 bucks a year but kept the IPTAY name the same.
I have no idea what the minimum number is these days.
We always thought it was the stupidest booster club name we'd ever heard.
Still do. We always changed it so it had an "agricultural" flair to it
as in ... "I Plow Thirty Acres/Year".
Dumb name but they got cash coming out their whazoos. They riase
*millions* every year.
Bob Hunt
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155.363 | He's O-may, I'm Um-day | MCIS2::DHAMEL | Flower child gone to seed | Mon Sep 14 1992 17:08 | 4 |
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The ip-tay is what you leave the aiter-way when pay for your eal-may.
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155.364 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | Faiders are 0-2! | Mon Sep 14 1992 17:51 | 6 |
| Thanks Bob, I figured it was something that's well-known around the
ACC. I'm surprised the announcers didn't say anything about it, but I
missed a few plays so I could've missed them saying something about it.
Joe
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155.365 | | PATE::MACNEAL | ruck `n' roll | Mon Sep 14 1992 18:05 | 3 |
| Hey, Bob, are you sure you're not from Clemson? That sounded exactly
like what I heard from a Clemson alum on Saturday (the last he knew it
was $100/year and he bailed out before it got that high).
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155.366 | | FSBIC::JHENDRY | John Hendry, DTN 297-2623 | Mon Sep 14 1992 18:21 | 4 |
| My downstairs neighbor is a Clemson grad and he's a proud member of
IPTAY.
John
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155.367 | ACC predictions | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sir Turtle | Fri Sep 18 1992 17:09 | 13 |
| ACC football predictions.
Florida St covers the 11 over NC State.
Virginia minus the 5 over Georgia Tech.
Maryland plus the 8 at West Virginia (maybe even win!)
No Carolina drubs Army and covers the 20 points.
Duke beats Rice, doesnt' need the point.
TTom
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155.368 | results | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sir Turtle | Mon Sep 21 1992 15:09 | 27 |
| re: predictions.
A not-too-shabby 4-1 for this prognosticator.
Florida State showed how dominant and how deep they are. This was close
for a while until a key interception by the Seminoles. The Pack were up
3-0 and looking good. They went deep just when the short game was
starting to work. The Noles intecepted and marched for the first of many
TDs. Final: 34-13.
Virginia is the real unexpected power of the ACC. They pummled Ga Tech,
55-24 and appear at #14 on the CNN poll. It looks like Walsh has that
team ready.
Maryland shoulda coulda and almost woulda won the game but lost a real
heartbreaker at Morganhole, 33-34.
No Carolina managed to look overrated at home against a hapless Army
team. The Heels won but it wan't pretty, 22-9 for the big Did Not Cover.
Duke-Rice figured to be up and down the court but the Blue Devils settled
for a 17-12 win.
Florida St is currently #3, Virginina is #14, Clemso, which had a bye, is
#16 and NC State checks in at #23.
TTom
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155.369 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | Faiders are 0-3! | Mon Sep 21 1992 16:32 | 5 |
| Looks like that prediction of FSU losing "at least 2 conference games"
isn't gonna hold up...
Joe
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155.370 | no way losing 2 in ACC | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sir Turtle | Mon Sep 21 1992 17:48 | 12 |
| From this perspective, the only one who has a chance is Virginia. The
rest of their ACC schedule looks like:
9/26 vs Wake Forest (major blowout)
10/10 vs No Carolina (ouch)
10/17 at Georgia Tech (would be a real upset)
10/31 at Virginia (only real conference chance for loss)
11/7 vs Maryland (could be win but not cover)
They've already beaten Duke, Clemson and State.
TTom
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155.371 | | CTHQ::LEARY | Jackie Sherrill won't STEER ya wrong. | Mon Sep 21 1992 17:52 | 8 |
| Well I hope all of FSU's players have got girlfriends who can
attend their classes for them and do their homework so they
can rightfully prepare for their gridiron matches. That Casey
Weldon sure leaves a lasting legacy.
8^),
MikeL
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155.372 | Hoos' Goodman #1 | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sir Turtle | Tue Sep 22 1992 15:24 | 8 |
| Virginia's Bobby Goodman is the number 1 rated QB. Virginia is 3-0, 2-0
in the ACC, ranked #14 and looks to be the only threat to Florida
State's run at the conference title.
Goodman is a graduate student. He set a school record for throwing 5 TDs
at Navy and has 11 for the year.
TTom
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155.373 | | ISLNDS::REEVE | | Fri Sep 25 1992 18:41 | 8 |
| re- IPTAY
Another little known fact is that the "SON" in Clemson stands for
chivalry, honor and knowledge.
HTH
Chris
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155.374 | still can't spell | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sir Turtle | Fri Sep 25 1992 21:02 | 6 |
| > Another little known fact is that the "SON" in Clemson stands for
> chivalry, honor and knowledge.
SON? Chivarly Honor Knowledge? Maybe using some other alphabet?
TTom
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155.375 | C of N and W | CSC32::J_HENSON | Faster than a speeding ticket | Mon Sep 28 1992 15:08 | 6 |
| >>SON? Chivarly Honor Knowledge? Maybe using some other alphabet?
It's like the College of Knowledge and Wisdom, also know as the
C of N and W.
Jerry
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155.376 | | ISLNDS::REEVE | | Tue Sep 29 1992 14:59 | 8 |
| re- chivalry, honor, knowledge- say it out loud. It's a joke, son,
you're supposed to laugh. :^)
Where's Bob Hunt when you need him. UVa is looking awesome, and is my
favorite to win the ACC. Anyone know where they play FSU and Clemson?
If they get FSU at home, the Seminoles will fall.
Chris
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155.377 | | BSS::JCOTANCH | Just Lose, Baby | Tue Sep 29 1992 15:22 | 8 |
| UVA gets both FSU and Clemson at home. They play Clemson Oct. 10th and
FSU on Oct. 31st.
FSU is playing all the ACC contenders on the road this season and
they'll still probably go undefeated.
Joe
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155.378 | Go Hoos! Go State! Hit the road, Mack | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sir Turtle | Tue Sep 29 1992 16:18 | 33 |
| Yeah Bob Hunt has to be happy about his Hoos looking real good and
perhaps he's even enjoying Mack Brown's latest underachievement in losing
to the out-recruited Wolfpack.
Virginia seems to be making a season of scoring 50 points against
unworthy opponents. Duke was the lastest victim. Thised week's sacrifice
is Wake Forest.
Meanwhile in Chapel Hill, No Carolina played the best game they have to
date under Mack's tutelage and still lost when their defense couldn't
hold up to Terry Jordan's arm. It was no small irony that ESPN chose to
interview Mack as part of a segue on the rising fortunes of ACC football.
Mack allowed as to how he has a 6 year contract and all he had to do was
recruit well, run a clean progam and graduate his players. Mack was
especially proud of the fact that he has not been required to win games.
Good thing Mack and good thing you got 6 years. This is the 5th of those
years and now for 4 years running, he had Top 10 recruiting years -
vastly outrecruiting State, as the Heels are eager to remind everyone -
and he still hasn't beaten State.
Upcoming ACC action:
Florida State visits Miami (Florida, not Ohio) - national TV
State travels to Georgia Tech - regional TV
Virginia is at Wake
No Carolina attempts to recoup at home against Navy.
Maryland tries to win one at homs versus Pittsburgh.
TTom
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155.379 | Clemson wins!!! | SHARE::DERRY | Head is empty & talkin' trash... | Mon Oct 12 1992 09:12 | 1 |
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155.380 | | ACESMK::FRANCUS | Mets in '93 | Wed Oct 14 1992 16:26 | 4 |
| So Karen, what did Clemson do??? :-)
The Crazy Met
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155.381 | Cheat | CTHQ1::LEARY | Jackie Sherrill won't STEER ya wrong. | Wed Oct 14 1992 16:31 | 1 |
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155.382 | got caught | HBAHBA::HAAS | Sir Turtle | Thu Oct 15 1992 13:56 | 0 |
155.383 | | RAVEN1::B_ADAMS | F.A.R's = P.D.Q! | Fri Oct 16 1992 17:22 | 13 |
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Goota say it sure is quite in here since Clemson beat the yahoos! Poor
Bob Hunt must be sick. I can't blame him..letting a 28-0 lead go to
waste!
For all you Clemson haters...I hate them too, but they do play some
good football.
Fla.St is on a roll now..Va might give them a game..but they had
their bubble busted lasted(tm) week. Look for the Pack to get back into
form.
B.A.
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