Conference 7.286::sports_91

Great!!  The Raiders had no business being in the semis anyway, and I've
grown tired of hearing how flawless the 9ers are.

Well, I suppose that none of us will be complaining that the Super Bowl was
a blowout this time...  However, it could be reminiscent of the Blooper Bowl
of '71 that still makes me smile when I think about it...

Did/will both Kelly and Simms play yesterday??

Should be one heck of a game.  Think I would bet on the Bills but it could go
either way.

rick ellis

    Based on the two Championships, I would place my money on the Bills,
    they did look like a TOTAL team.  However, SuperBowls don't always go
    according to textbooks.   The outcome will be decided by the one of the
    following....
    
    If the Giants win:	Special teams play.  Especially with Meggett on the
    			loose. And watch those trick plays.
    
    			SuperBowl experience.  Also Lawrence Taylor as
    			inspirational team leader.
    
    			
    If Bills win:	No huddle offense.  (Its the way of the future)
    
    			Defensive line's ability to contain Hostetler
    
    
    Looking forward to it...
    PJ

    Great defensive  game for Giants!  Congrats to Bills also!
    
    Key questions.. How  will no huddle do on GRASS?  
    
  If  Giants defense plays like yesterday, they will win..
    
    Go Giants!!!!!!!!
    

My moneys on the Bills minus the five to five and 1/2 points.
    
Greg

    Yahoo, my two favorites teams won, and will be playing each other in
    the SB!!!!111.  I NEVER like them Raiders, what choke artists.  And
    those 49'ers are a sorry team, letting an injury-plagued team take them
    out of the running.
    
    I's so damn proud of the Jints, I've ALWAYS been a BIG fan of theirs,
    going back to Rosy Grier and Rosy Brown, Jim Kantcavitch, etc.  I love
    their uniforms, too.
    
    The Bills were always my favorite team, going back to Cookie Gilchrist,
    wayyyy before the Juice, and Jack Kemp and all.
    
    Boy, I'm really torn about this upcoming SB.  I just can't pick one
    yet, but I'm sure I'll have a favorite-favorite team come next Monday!
    
    lEe

    
     lEe, looking at the way your Pname is pronounced, I'd say that
    you were a fan of Pepper Johnson. You must by a Jints fan :^>
    
      I think the key for the Giants will be their ability or inability
    to attack the Buffalo secondary. Passing game = Lombardi Trophy.
    
    Bull~
    

    Interesting tidbit on ESPN last night:
    
    Both Jim Kelly and Jeff Hostetler were going to attend Penn State
    (Kelly is from the Pittsburgh area, not sure where Hostetler is from),
    but when they found out Joe Paterno had plans on turning both of them
    into linebackers, they went to Miami and WVU, respectively.
    
    Wonder who Shane Conlan would be QBing for if he'd have gone
    elsewhere? :-)
    
    	--dan'l

    Hostetler actually attended Penn State and then transferred to West
    Virginia after he realized he wasn't going to get a chance to play QB
    with Todd Blackledge (I believe) ahead of him.
    
    Kelly did go directly to Miami and one of the big wins in their
    resurgence when he was there was a 26-10 win over State which may have
    even been at State.  I'll bet that felt good!
    
    Hostetler's West Virginia teams never beat Penn State.
    
    John

    
    If the Giants get to the Bills early with a strong D, a few points, and
    maybe a forced turnover or two, I expect the Bills to fold.
    
    My emotions will root for the Bills.  My money will be on the Giants.
    
    Dickstah
    

    When did they decide to play the SB without a week off?
    
    Mike

Mike --

When they moved the schedule to 17 weeks with the BYE, they deleted
the extra week of hype between the conference championships and the Bowl.

Next season (I think) they're going to keep the 17 week thing, but put
the two weeks separator back.  The following season, they're going to
18 weeks, with 2 byes, and a 2 week separator.

That way,  you can be having your 4th of July picnic and watching
a pre-season game (YUK!)

'Saw

    The schedule for next year includes the 16 games in 17 weeks format,
    with the season starting a week earlier.  This year's off week was
    eliminated because the date of the Super Bowl was set and the date of
    the overseas pre-season games was set, and it was too difficult to move
    either.
    
    The Hall of Fame game and the overseas games will be held during the
    weekend of July 27-28.  The preseason games will be the 4 full weekends
    in August.  The regular season will open Labor Day weekend and close
    the weekend before Christmas.  The first round of the playoffs will be
    the weekend before New Years, the second round will be the first
    weekend in January, the Conference Championship Games will be the
    second weekend in January and Super Bowl XXVI will be January 26.
    
    The movement to the 18 week schedule isn't necessarily going to happen,
    from what I've read.  If it happens, it's more likely to have the Super
    Bowl played later rather than the preseason open a week earlier.  This
    will couple nicely with what I think will be the eventual elimination
    of the Pro Bowl, most likely once the current TV contract with ESPN is
    over.
    
    The week off does serve a useful purpose for the participating teams,
    and that's the logistics of the setup at the game site.  I know when we
    played in Super Bowl XX, we sent someone right to New Orleans from
    Miami and he stayed there the whole time.  This year, as I understand
    it, the Giants went right to Tampa from San Francisco.  It's a
    logistical nightmare that I wouldn't want any part of.
    
    John
    

    Other than the first one, (for obvious reasons) has a team in the
    Super Bowl ever won the first time they've appeared?  John?
    
    I find myself wondering if the one-week period between the league
    championships and the Super Bowl will be to Buffalo's advantage.
     Will the consequent reduction in media-hype be helpful to their
    mental and emotional preparation?
    
    Basically, I'm just hoping for a decent game, rather than a blowout.
     
    
    A&W 

    Jets, Steelers, 49ers, Bears, and The Giants all won their first time.

A&W,  Jets did, as did the Steelers, the Niners, the Bears the Giants and
maybe the Skins...

mike

    Yes, they have.
    
    In III, both the Jets and Colts made their first appearance.  Jets
    won.
    
    In IX, Pittsburgh won its first appearance.
    
    In XVI, San Francisco and Cincinnati both made their first appearance
    with the Niners winning.
    
    In XX, Chicago and New England both made their first appearance and I
    don't like to talk about the result.
    
    In XXI, the Giants won their first appearance.
    
    First time teams are 6-11, however, 4 games had both teams making a
    first appearance.  In games where a first time team played a team that
    had been there before, the first time team is 2-7.  In XXI, Denver
    hadn't been to the Super Bowl in 9 years, but when Pittsburgh won IX,
    the Vikings had been there the previous year.
    
    John

    The teams that lost in their first appearance playing a team who'd been
    there before:
    
    II		Oakland lost to Green Bay which had won the year before
    IV		Minnesota lost to Kansas City which lost 3 years before
    V		Dallas lost to Baltimore which lost 2 years before
    VI		Miami lost to Dallas which had lost the year before
    VII         Washington lost to Miami which had lost the year before
    XIV		Rams lost to Pittsburgh which had won 3 of the last 5
    XV		Philadelphia lost to Oakland which had won 4 years before
    
    As far as not having the week off goes - while I think it's important
    for the front office people to have the time to set up and so forth, I
    think it's mostly good for the players.  With too much time to prepare,
    "paralysis by analysis" sets in, the team gets stale, and the players
    begin to look at it like "Let's play the damned game."  This would be
    difficult this year with the teams having played each other only 5
    weeks earlier.  The players will not have the extra week to heal up the
    minor injuries and to run around and take care of tickets for family
    and friends, but by and large, I think it's better for the players and
    for the quality of football this way.
    
    John

    Forgot one:
    
    XII		Denver lost to Dallas which was 1-2 in previous appearances
    
    That makes the record of first time teams playing teams that had been
    there before 2-8.  
    
    John

    Vegas update.  Bills now a 6 point favorite.  Early money pouring in on
    the Bills.  Line opened at 5.
    
    Greg

       Same thing happened with the SF-NYG line lasted(tm) week.
    
       Bull~
    

    Thanks for the prompt info.
    
    I'd love to believe the Bills can win, but I'm inclined to think
    the Giants have the advantage.  Giants have been there before, played
    a game that would not be likely to leave them overconfident, etc.
    Like I said, what I'm really hoping for is a good game!

    A&W
    

    Actually all the late money was on the Giants last week.  The line
    opened at 7 and went all the way up to 8 and 1/2 on Wed.  Saturday the
    line came down to 8 and yesterday all the wise guys pounded the Giants
    with the 49ers ending up a 7 and a half point favorite.  It's like
    watching the Rockingham pools, sometime the wise guys bang a horse
    early and some bang them late.  Not to say that the wise guys are
    always right.  I will post a note tommorw on a superbowl system I read
    about in a gambling book.   I have used the system the last five
    superbowls and I am 5-0 vs the spread.  Till tommorw!
    
    Greg  
    
      

>    Giants have been there before, played
>    a game that would not be likely to leave them overconfident, etc.
    
    How many Giants are left from the 86/87 team?  
    
    	--dan'l
    

    Buffalo 23
     Giants 10
    
    NAZZ

Bills by 10.

I know we have a lot of Giant fans in here. That's why I'm assuming the majority
of the notes have been favoring them. The Bills are playing awesome offensive
football. They also have a defense equal to the Niners D. 

Buffalo can run the ball which is something the Giants didn't have to worry
about Sunday. The Bills are not just happy to be going to the Bowl. They 
have added confidence by beating the Giants earlier in the season. I see them
stuffing the giants running game early and scoring a few times to force the
Giants into a passing game. 

The giants only hope is to continue to play the boring football that they have
been and to limit the time the Buffalo offense gets on the field. 

I fear a return to the 1940's style of 3 yards and a cloud of dust if the Giants
win this bowl with the ultimate loser being the fans of the NFL.

My final score...


Bills 27 giants 17 (late score gets it this close)


Metz

 Jints have quite a few Supe 21 vets ...
 
 Phil Simms, Lawrence Taylor, Leonard Marshall, Mark Bavaro, Gary Reasons,
 Bart Oates, Sean Landeta, Maurice Carthon, Jeff Hostetler, Pepper Johnson,
 there's gotta be a few more ...
 
 Bob Hunt

    Metz,
    
    What's worse is, if the Bills win, everyone will jump on the girly mon
    run'n shoot, no huddle offense, and football will resemble a pinball
    game.   I'd much rather watch a defensive struggle, then a wide oopen
    two-hand touch type of game.
    
    JD

    
    I'm taking the Jints and the points. The Jints' defense had two
    excellent games against the best offense in football. They're not
    going to let Buffalo run wild and the Bills defense didn't look
    too swift in giving up 34 points to Miami in a game which saw Bruce
    Smith completely neutralised by Miami rookie Richmond Webb. I expect
    the Jints to pound Andeson in Smith's direction and for LT and company
    to get to Kelly early and often. Whatever the final outcome I think
    it's going to be a hard hitting game and one of the best Super Bowls
    ever.

    At least the Bills will do something that the Donks have never done in
    the Super Bowl,  SHOW UP!!!!!
    
    Dan'l:
    Can't remember the town but Hostetler is from the western half of Pa.
    also.
    
    JaKe
    

I promised that super bowl system and here it is.  There are two rules.
rule #1  Take the team that has won the most regular season games.  We are
talking about straightup wins here.  You are going with the team that has
demonstrated its ability to win more games overall - at home, on the road,
intra-divisional, inter-divisional - than its opponent.  Rule # 2 - Take
    the fovorite if both teams have won an equal number of regular season
    games.  Ok listed below are the last 14 superbowls.
    
year    line      winner    score          winners record   losers record
1990    sf -12    sf        50-10              14-2             10-6
1989    sfr -7    sf        20-16              10-6             12-4
1988    den - 4   was       42-10              11-4             10-4-1
1987    gia -9    gia       39-20              14-2             11-5
1986    chi -11   chi       46-10              15-1             11-5
1985    sfr -3    sf        31-16              15-1             14-2
1984    was -3    rdr       38-9               12-4             14-2
1983    mia -3    wash      27-17              8-1              7-2
1982    sfr -1    sfr       26-21              13-3             12-4
1981    phil -3   rdr       27-10              11-5             12-4
1980    pitt-10   pitt      31-19              12-4             9-7
1979    pitt-3'   pitt      35-31              14-2             12-4
1978    dal -5    dal       27-10              12-2             12-2
1977    rdr -4    rdr       32-14              13-1             11-2-1
    
    As you can see you would have been 12-2 in the last 14 superbowls.  The
    only team to win against this system was the Radiers twice.  Also, last
    years superbowl score may not be correct.  So there you have it.  I can
    only say I read the article in the 1987 edition.  Needless to say I am
    4-0 in my last 4 superbowls.  Good luck.
    
    Greg
        
    
    

    
    Gee, if anything, Hostetler made some Montanesque passes there
    in the waning moments, when he hit Bavaro and Ingram (or was it
    Baker ?) rolling out under pressure. I wonder why Parcells plays
    Simms, I've seen him choke many a time in such occassions (stats
    never seem to say it all ...), Hostetler's mobility (and guts too,
    the guy comes back from a nasty hit to the knee and then stiff-arms
    someone when he rolled out and ran with the ball !) makes him
    so much more the right QB for the Jints.
                                                                       
    Jints'll do it with their will, if anything else !!!

    The one thing that bothered me about an otherwise impressive Giant
    performance Sunday was their inability to punch it in when they got
    deep in 49er territory.  For that reason I'll go with the Bills, 17-13.
    
    
    py

    Hawk,
    
    At the time, New England was the biggest underdog in the history of the 
    Super Bowl.  Chicago was favored by a huge margin(11 or 12 points). 
    They were 15-1 and I believe unscored on in the playoffs, plus had a
    very underated offense to go with an overpowering defense.
    Giants/Buffalo will be a good game, but I look for the Bills to win by
    at least a touchdown.....

 Cap, you youngster you, how can you forget your bestest buddy Dan's
 team was an 18 point doe in Supe 3????

 The rockin and rollin for the Bills is over!!! Kelley will be hit, he
 will loose control, he will have a stinker and the Giants will prevail!!!
 If not we can always talk about softball....

 ;^)

mike

Just tallked wif Hoot and He said in his best Jed Clampett " That's Pitiful, 
Pitiful. 

    The main reason why I am laying the points with the Bills is that I
    dont think the Giants will be able to trade points.  If any of you guys
    read the Herald yesterday you would have read about how the Bills
    scored touchdowns on both of there first two drives.  They where moving
    for a third score in 3 trips when Kelly went down.  I expect the Bills
    to jump out to a early lead and hold the giants to field goals.  I
    expect the Bills to win by 10 to 13 points.
    
    Greg
    

    greg,
    
    
    Giants  defense playing real well as a unit, personally speaking
                                                           
    as a Giants fan, i want the Bills with the ball first so Giants
    can stuff them and set the tone  for the day, should be very
    
    interesting
    
    
    Dinz
    

 Giants had just stop Kelley on that drive when he got injuried. We'll
 see but all you johnny come lately bill fans better be prepared to loose
 some sleep sunday nite!!!!

 mike    

    
    	The big edge the GIANTS have is experience.  The Bills seemed starry 
    eyed and cocky when they arrived in Tampa.  Levy says that the Bills are 
    there to win, not just show up.  So far, they can talk the talk.  Lets
    see if they can walk the walk.
   
    	The GIANTS will win this game no doubt!  Buffalo will get the ball 
    first, we'll stuff them, score a TD, and commence to Buffalo-ing the 
    counterfeit dollar Bills all the way back to Niagra Falls! :-)
    
        	GIANTS        34
                Buffalo-ed    16
    	
    						 glen j.
    

    re: .43
    
    You think a Giant team that couldn't score a TD in two games against
    the overrated SF defense could get 34 points against Buffalo?  The same
    team that scratched the Pats D for 13 points the week after the Jets
    amassed somewhere in the 40s?  The Giants offense has functioned well
    about once in the last 2 or 3 months - and I missed the Bears game
    'cause I was skiing, or I'd understand I'm sure that something dreadful
    happened to the Chicago D to allow 31 points to that rag-tag offense of
    Parcells.
    
    Dan

    re: .44                                                  
    
>   the overrated SF defense
    
    	You'll go to any length to bash the GIANTS O won't ya Dan? :)
    
>                                           I'm sure that something awful
>    happened to the Chicago D to allow 31 points to that rag-tag offense
>    of Parcells.
    
	Yeah, it was a steady diet of OJ left,OJ righ & OJ up the middle.  
    Not to mention the scrambling of Boss Hoss(tm) for a nice sidedish, and 
    a TD-pass to Baker for the dessert.  Not a bad diet for teddy-Bears if 
    you ask me. :-)
                                                 
    	GIANTS will win because the defense is playing the best that it has
    been all season long and Parcells, known to be a conservative coach, has 
    not been afraid to gamble(esp. on 4th down) during the playoffs thus far.
    Don't expect that to change all of a sudden.
    
    	            				 glen j.
                                                 

    John Lennon predicts...
    
    	Bungalow Bill over the yorkies  32-14
    
    
    B.A. 

    The Giants haveing the terrible offense youve all been talking about
    scored 5 times against SF and missed a 32(?) yrd FG.  So they should
    have scored 6 times, granted these were all FGs, but due to great
    defense by SF and some bad passes/Dropped passes by the giants the one
    that stickes in my head is the meggit pass that was hopefully puposly
    dropped in the end zone, no professional player could have missed that
    one.....Id prefer to see the bills walk away with this one, AFC needs
    a SB win and Buffalo's never been there before, but if any of you Buff
    fans think the giants are going to choke on ball control and throw 6
    interceptions youre seriously mistaken....Bills 28 Giants 26, with a
    missed 52 yrd attempt by the giants on the last drive....
    								MAB

    Although I find it tough to admit, the Giants seem to be combining
    talent with an emotional high right now.  They may not have scored any
    TDs against the Niners, but they basically did what they had to do to
    win.  I think it will be a tight game.  I will be rooting for the Bills
    because they have never been there before, and they conjure up images
    of Cookie Gilcrist slicing throught the Pats defense in big games.
    
    BTW - What time is kickoff?  Is the Network going to do the usual 5
          hours or pregame overkill?
    
    
    =Bob=

    
    Another Pre-dick-shun:
    
              Jersey   17
              Upstate  16
    
    Dickstah
    

    Predictions?  Easy ;^).  The Bill scored 53 points in their last game,
    the Giants 13 ergo Bills 53 - Giants 13 ;^).
    
    Is Hostetler still starting for the Giants?  Has a team's backup QB
    ever led his team to a Super Bowl victory?

    Hawk,
    
    I believe Jim Plunkett was the Raiders' starting quarterback when then
    tore apart the Redskins, 38-9, in Supe 18 in Tampa in January 1984.
    
    If he wasn't the starter, I don't recall who was.
    
    And whatever happened to Jack Squirek ???
    
    Bob Hunt

    
>    Is Hostetler still starting for the Giants?  Has a team's backup QB
>    ever led his team to a Super Bowl victory?
    
    How about Earl Morrall of the Dolphins in SB VII to complete their
    perfect season?
    
    Joe

>    Is Hostetler still starting for the Giants?  Has a team's backup QB
>    ever led his team to a Super Bowl victory?
    
>    How about Earl Morrall of the Dolphins in SB VII to complete their
>    perfect season?
    
    From what I've read. Morrall was a sub, but he started for the about the 
whole season, so at least the scribes are saying that this is the first
time a "true" backup has led his team to the Super Bowl.

	FWIW,

	Jim M

    
    
          Hoffa's team-  17
          Swills      -  14
    

    I don't think Doug Williams was the starting QB at the beginning of the
    87 season.  However, did he move up becauase of an injury to Shroeder
    or did Jay get benched?
    
    	--dan'l

    Plunkett was the back-up QB when they beat Philly that year.  Dante Dan
    Pastorini was the starter for part of the season till he went down with
    an injury.
    
    Williams was the back-up/relief artist the year the skins whomped on
    Denver and got the start in the SB due to Jay inept play.
    
    Cap

    
    Bob Griese(sp) came back from his injury to start the SB.

    Doug Williams beat out Jay Schroder for the starting job during the
    season, so William was the team starting QB.

Chuck

>>   the overrated SF defense
    
>    	You'll go to any length to bash the GIANTS O won't ya Dan? :)
    
    Just check out what's been said about the SF defense all year.  At
    first, they were squeaking out games, stats were down, giving up
    points, and everyone, Giant fans especially were saying "That SF
    defense isn't very good (we'll beat 'em!), overrated, lookit the stats,
    etc."  
    
    Then after 8 straight quarters of no (Zero, None, Zip) touchdowns for
    the Giants against the passable SF defense, it's "Boy, are they
    underrated!"
    
    Can't have it both ways, Giants fans.  The truth is that even with the
    mobile Hoss, who *didn't* look that good all around last Sunday, the
    Giants offense is still a middle of the pack outfit, at best.
    
    Dan

    >Is Hostetler still starting for the Giants?  Has a team's backup QB
    >ever led his team to a Super Bowl victory?
    
    Simms is out with an exceptionally wimpy injury.
    
    As for backup QBs, the most notable case I can think of is Johnny
    Unitas' backup Earl Morrall, who QBed the '68 Colts all the way through
    the season, and actually won the NFL MVP award.  This was scoffed at
    by real MVP Joe Namath, who said Morrall was probably the 5th or 6th
    best QB in the AFL.
    
    Morrall, QBing a prohibitive favorite in the Super Bowl was eventually
    yanked for the old pro, Unitas, but Colts still lost to the upstart
    Jets.
    
    Dan

    He didnt look good, i guess  Dan, that roll out and key passes
    
    to Bavaro and Baker on final drive, were mirages on my part? 
    
    dinz
    

    Well all you Jints fans out there gotta be happy.  The line on the game
    has gone up to 6' points.  The word is that it will go up to 7 and
    level off.  The under/over is now 41.  I agree that the Giants offense
    is just a middle of the road offense.  There offense has been doing
    well in the past two weeks because of the great field position they 
    are constantly getting.  The Big "D" has always been the bread and
    butter for the Jints.  I still side with Buff.  Well the way I look at
    it is this, one of us is going to donate to our favorite charity this
    sunday.  (that favorite charity is the bookie)
    
    Greg

    >He didnt look good, i guess  Dan, that roll out and key passes
    >to Bavaro and Baker on final drive, were mirages on my part? 
    
    Hard to say, actually.  Anyway, ZERO touchdowns in 4 quarters against
    a MOR defense...  Let's not plan the parade just yet.  Even in the
    Chicago game when the praise was fast and furious, he barely passed for
    more than 100 yards.
    
    Dan

    I still dont see why you say SF defense is so strong they still allowed
    NY 6 chances to score, of which they scored on 5.  So they didnt punch
    it in, that was not totaly the result of good defense, there was some
    poor execution on the NY part.  This is a much bigger game, NY has been
    there before, doubt very much that they will choke.  Buffalo should win
    this one but it will be close, Im very tempted to take NY with the PTS
    on this one, last weeks 8 was too much to pass up and if it hits 7.5
    it will be a definate have to wait and see where the spread ends up. 
    As for a blowout, I still say that a buffalo wet dream, but worse
    things have happened.  Just curious if NY is so bad what is there
    average margin of victory over the season and how many times did they
    cover the spread (compared to buffalo)
    								Mab

    
    Dinz, just ignore Dan for the time being.  He's still living in the
    past, basing his arguements on a fluke victory by the Jets that
    happened over a generation ago.  Dan, do you have any idea where the
    49er defense ranked this year?  It was within the top 5, I believe. 
    And, could you point to where those quotes by the Giants fans that you
    mentioned are located?
    
    Bruce

    First some background.  All season long, in another notesfile, Dan has
    dutifully reported how inept the Giants offense is, how they can't win
    the big one, etc.   If the Bills win the Super Bowl, it will somehow
    appease Dan, and he'll probably use it to prove that the Giants have a
    boring offense.  The Fact taht Dan's favorite team is watching the
    playoffs yet again has something to do with it.  
    
    And I'm one Giants fan who didn't pooh-pooh the Niners defense, and if
    fact, I don't remember it being talked down at all.  I do know Dan
    claimed the Jets have the best receiving corps in the league.
    
    IF the Giants win, Dan will have some excuse to forward, of that I'm
    sure.
    
    JD

    >And, could you point to where those quotes by the Giants fans that you
    >mentioned are located?
    
    All through the Giants notesfile, for starters.
    
    The point is that the 49er defense only became appreciated after they
    stopped the Giants so cold.  True or False?
    
    Dan

    
    I've never said that the Giants had a great offense.  It would be
    difficult to disprove anyone who said that the were MOR, but then the
    same could be (and was) said about the previous SB team.  I saw nothing
    in _this_ notesfile like what you alluded to, and backing up your
    quotes with a closed notesfile is convenient.  Notesfiles specific to a
    certain team have never been known for their objectivity, anyway.
    
    To say that the 49er defense was only appreciated after they stopped
    the Giants is false.  It was widely being played up in the media, and
    backed by the statistics.
    
    Bruce
    
      

    >and backing up your quotes with a closed notesfile is convenient.
    
    Aw, quit with the BS, Bruce.  Seeing how you've jumped back to the
    Giants bandwagon from the 49ers, you should be well aware of the
    criticism (or relative lack of praise, if you will) the 9er defense
    took all year long until the Monday night Giant game.  You don't need
    to read the Giants notesfile for that.
    
    >To say that the 49er defense was only appreciated after they stopped
    >the Giants is false.
    
    I accept that you don't want to admit this.
    
    Dan

    Given the success of a certain anti-missile missile in the Gulf, I'm
    going to put my money of the Patriots to win the SuperBore.....
    
    .....what??   .......wait a minute.....      Oh, I see....
    
    
    I've just been told....1-15 doesn't get you to the playoffs.
    
    Sorry,
    PJ

    I'll bet if it was the NFL, that kind of a record would
    qualify!!
    

.59>first, they were squeaking out games, stats were down, giving up 
.59>points, and everyone, Giant fans especially were saying "That SF
.59>defense isn't very good (we'll beat 'em!), overrated lookit the stats,
.59>etc."
    
    	Point #1:  The 49ers were 'squeaking out' games because their
    offense, particularly the running game, was struggling.  If anything, 
    their defense kept them afloat long enough for the offense to catch 
    up.  Point #2:  The most important stat is the score and SF came out
    on top 15 times this year.  Defense must have been doing something 
    right.  
    
.70>The point is that the 49er defense only became appreciated after they
.70>stopped the Giants so cold.  True or False?
    
    	False, but it's obvious you'd like to believe it.    
    
    						 glen j.

    There was report in the Brit Press today about Elvis making an
    appearance at half time in Tampa??  Any truth here....
    
    Enquiring minds...don't really give a damn!!
    PJ

    As far as what point the 49ers impressed me Id have to go with the
    1st game against the giants as being there best victory of the season.
    But that really doesnt matter becuase the best team in the NFC this
    year made it to the superbowl.  In the 1st game NY held SF to 7 and 
    in the 2nd game (the one that counted) they held them to 13.  In 2
    games SF could only score 20 pts against the giants defense, sounds
    pretty impressive to me, as far as the 1st NY SF game it was a ploy
    to make NY the underdog and make SF overconfident so that NY could win
    the game that counted and they did....Good Game plan NY, too bad that
    Buffalo will out score you down the stretch, still like the 6.5 pts,
    just hoping it goies up another pt...
    								MaB

>           -< Are you an overly-defensive Giant fan?  Or 49er fan? >-
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
    I'm a Giants fan first, then a 49er fan (to my wife's chagrin).  I've
    said that many times in here, and haven't changed.  Unlike
    you, I stuck by both teams all year.  BTW, how about those Rams.  Never
    hear you speak much about them or there great coach lately.
    
>       >and backing up your quotes with a closed notesfile is convenient.
    
>    Aw, quit with the BS, Bruce.  Seeing how you've jumped back to the
>    Giants bandwagon from the 49ers, you should be well aware of the
>    criticism (or relative lack of praise, if you will) the 9er defense
>    took all year long until the Monday night Giant game.  You don't need
>    to read the Giants notesfile for that.
 
    Since I moved, I haven't been able to get into the Giants notesfile, so
    I don't know what has gone on in there.  However, I've heard all year
    from everyone (but you) about the "underated" 49er defense.  It had
    gotten to a point where people were using the term so much that they
    were no longer considered underated.  Look at the final defensive
    stats, which you seem to be ignoring.
       
>    >To say that the 49er defense was only appreciated after they stopped
>    >the Giants is false.
    
>    I accept that you don't want to admit this.
 
    As a fan of the 49ers, I appreciated the 49er defense (espcially when
    it was one of the top rated defenses in the league).  You seem to be
    the only person (in or out of this notesfile) that seems to think it
    was not good.
    
    Bruce   
    Dan

	Well, Dan notwithstanding, my assertion above still stands, and
has stood the test of time. Dan has tried to convince us that the Giants
offense is just not good enough to beat certain "offensive" powers. 

	I contend that the Giants play ball all year in the manner in which
championship games are won. Conservative, but effective, offense, and
bone-crunching, smothering defense. They don't have to "adjust" their game
to championship style, they already know it, and live it. This, plus their
experience in "The Show" is their big edge.

	Look for some screens and draws, and some big plays by Dave Meggett,
who excels on grass fields. Bills will score some points, but not enough.

	Giants, 23-20

	Jim M

    
    I just went back and check the 1990 stats.  The 49ers were #2 (behind
    the Giants) in points allowed, and #3 in total defense.  Not too bad.
    
    

    >Unlike you, I stuck by both teams all year.
    
    Being a Jets fan, I really can't muster the energy and excitement to
    stick by the Giants and the 49ers.  You make it sound like some sort of
    litmus test.  Do you have a point in mind?
    
    >BTW, how about those Rams.  Never
    >hear you speak much about them or there great coach lately.
    
    Never been a Rams fan, but I do respect Robinson as a coach.  That's
    unchanged.  Boy, your points are just getting better and better.
    
    >Look at the final defensive
    >stats, which you seem to be ignoring. 
    
    I was keeping an eye on them all year (hard not to, with all the press
    they get).  That's how I can make such objective decisions concerning
    them, unlike you who have to waffle between the two teams.
    
    But, since you barely made any lucid points in your whole note, let me
    help you find a topic: why not address the Giant offense?
    
    Dan

    
    Hmmm, when the Rams seemed to be doing well last year, you appeared to
    be a Rams fan.  Funny, I guess...
    
    Look at my intro note and you'll see where my allegiances are, IU've
    never waffled.  
    
    I guess you didn't have a chance to see what I posted earlier regarding
    where the 49ers stood in the NFL.  You must not have been paying very
    close attention to them.
    
    And I did address the Giants offense earlier.  It's good enough to win,
    but not spectacular.  The same could be said in their previous SB
    victory.
    
    
    Bruce

    Saw some video of the teams while I was at lunch.  As much as they
    tried not to be, it seems that the Beau Fleuv Williams (should I TM
    that) were a bit starry eyed.
    
    	--dan'l

    >Hmmm, when the Rams seemed to be doing well last year, you appeared to
    >be a Rams fan.  Funny, I guess...
    
    You're suffering from self-delusions.  Sure you offered some ridiculous
    criticisms of Robinson, and I defended him.  Never made me a Rams fan.
    
    >And I did address the Giants offense earlier.  It's good enough to win,
    >but not spectacular.  The same could be said in their previous SB
    >victory.
    
    In the previous SB, they were playing the Broncos and SImms had the
    game of his career.  Neither of those factors are present this year.
    Also that year, they had a bonafide star RB in Morris.  This year they
    have a bonafide has-been in Anderson.  Also, in 1986 I felt their
    defensive line was much better than it is today, and LT was a more
    dominant player than he is 4 years later.
    
    Dan

    Sorry Giants fans, I just cannot bring myself to cheer for the...
    
    ...New Jersy Giants.
    
    Go Bills and AFC !!!
    
    Nebraska Marty (Chiefs Fan)

    
    re .85
    
    What happened Dan?  Once I made your assertions about the 49ers defense
    look ridiculous by showing the facts you need to resort to
    personal attacks?  That's no like you.

    
    The one-week-instead-of-two-weeks-of-hype sure has been an improvement
    out there in the unreal world. (ex., "Hey Joe, how do you see the
    Giants lining up this week?"  "Duh....prob'ly on da udder side of the
    f'baw...."  "Joe,  what do you normally have for breakfast? "Uh....
    ...aigs...lossa lossa aigs...an' gree-its."
    
    This should be the least amount of SB discussion ever in this file.
    
    But I really miss the bodacious Bronco bash and ballyhoo banter.
    
    Dickstah
    

    re -1
    
    That may be true, Dickstah, but Dan is sure doing his best to change
    that.  His comments are on about the same level as a Bronco fan.
    
    Bruce

    >Once I made your assertions about the 49ers defense
    >look ridiculous by showing the facts you need to resort to
    >personal attacks?
    
    You haven't made my assertions about the 9ers D look ridiculous.  A
    single ordinal rating number based on one statistic - total yards - is
    far from enough facts to determine anything, unless your reasoning
    tops out at "Extremely Shallow".
    
    Here's some interesting questions which should help get the point
    across:
    
    - The Giants managed NO touchdowns in 2 games against the 49ers.  In
      how many other games did the 49ers hold the opposition to NO
      touchdowns?
    
    - The Giants offense is ranked quite low in a number of offensive
      ratings all through the season.  Why does this get constantly
      overlooked?
    
    - Jeff Hostetler in his limited time has been hailed as a great QB,
      with many Giant fans being quite content to have Hoss in their
      rather than Simms.  Why are his numbers decidedly mediocre (at best)?
    
    Dan

    JD, it's so nice to have my feelings assigned to me rather than
    allowing me to realize them myself.
    
    Dan, the realist
    
    (BTW, "Hate" is reserved for the Celtics.)

    I believe the troof is that you think that anyone who has legitimate
    (and further proven) criticisms about the Giants must hate them.
    
    Dan

I'm a lifelong Giants fan, and I'll admit that their offense is
mediocre, or slightly better than mediocre at best.  All season
long I've felt that Parcells has been too conservative with the
offense, but I can't argue with the result; we're in the Super
Bowl.  

Frankly, I don't see what the argument is all about.  So what,
the Giants don't have much of an offense.  But no one can deny
that their defense is fantastic.  And I get just as much enjoyment
seeing Mark Collins shut down Jerry Rice, or Leonard Marshall
put Joe Montana on queer street as I do on those rare occasions
when the Giants offense makes a big play.  Why can't people 
just appreciate this team for what it does best?

Laker_Ken_with_Giants_cap_firmly_in_place

    Dan,
    
    The truth is you can't stomach the thought of the Giants in the Super
    Bowl.  Their conveative offense, which is horrible and mediocre, scored
    18 points less that the San Francisco 49ers offense did this year. 
    Your biased against them.  In here, and in the Jints file, most of us
    Giants fans have admitted the offenses shortcomings, but Dan, the fact
    is that despite your criticisms, the Giants offense was good enough fro
    a 15-3 record so far, a trip to the Super Bowl, and despite your claims
    in the Jints file that they couldn't come back from deficits, did just
    that last week against the 49ers.   
    
    Admit bias Dan.  YOur full of 'em.
    
    JD

    JD, are the Giants 15-3 and Super Bowl bound because of their offense? 
    Or their defense?
    
    This justification that they are "good enough" has proven wrong a few
    times this year.  The stats show it.  In each of their losses, and a
    few ofthe wins, the games show it.
    
    But they'ed be a better team if they took out the Woody Hayes
    offense...
    
    Dan

    New Kids will be there...
    
    Well so will the Elvis or Rap.. Vanilla Ice...
    
    Giants  23 - 17
    
    -Walt

    Dan,
    
    Neutral my butt.  Don't give me that crap.  The Giants are there
    because they are a good team, Dan.   YOu caint admit that.   I've never
    said they have a great offense, but it isn't as bad as you like to make
    it out to be.   But, no use arguing with you.   YOur a Jets fan, a sure
    sign of brain malfunction.  
    
    JD

    The Bills' offense has been boostered in the playoffs by their rowdy
    home crowd, and the Giants have only given up 1 TD in the playoffs.
    However, I don't look for the Giants to score much either, but I think
    they'll manage to win it.
    
    Giants 13
    Bills  9
    
    Joe

    Will Milli Vanilli be there to NOT sing their new release.
    
    
    JaKe
    

To all who picked the Bills....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA(tm)....

Just like in rugby, ball possession will win every time....

'Saw

    
    A great game!  Congrats to Bud Light!
    
    Dickstah
    

    Did anyone really believe the pig in the blanket play?!?  Cripes, have
    you ever tried to peel one of those labels off?  And that kickoff,
    sheeeesh.  I'm starting to think that these Bud Bowls aren't real.
    
    	--dan'l

    re .104:
    
    >	I'm starting to think that these Bud Bowls aren't real.
        
    I suppose you'll next be telling me that "professional" wrestling isn't
    on the level. :-)
    
    
    As for the Super Bowl, I can't remember the last time I saw *any* NFL
    game with no turnovers, never mind a Super Bowl.  Well played game on
    both sides; I thought the following were crucial points:
    
    	Buffalo not scoring after the safety, when they had a 12-3 lead and
        the ball.  Had they got another TD at that point, the Giants may
        not have been able to stay with their grind-it-out game plan.  
    
    	The 3rd and 14 conversion that resulted from excellent second
        effort by Mark Ingram.  Enabled the Giants to get a TD and not just
        a FG on that drive. 
    
    
    py

>    But they'ed be a better team if they took out the Woody Hayes
>    offense...
    
>    Dan

     Seems their Woody Hayes offense was the key to this SB victory,
     doesn't it ?

    Ah, they'll always be just the sad sack Jints to me.
    
    I guess it's little consolation now but the only team in the NFL that
    truly has the Jints' number and can torture them at will is the Iggles.
    
    How long before we hear the "Did you hear -- Scott Norwood -- failed
    attempted suicide -- but missed wide left" jokes ???
    
    Forty-plus minutes of ball possession by the Jints.  Ouch.
    
    Bob Hunt

    RE: crucial points
    
    Let's not forget Matt Bahr making two long-gain-saving tackles on
    kickoffs.  The kid now has three SB rings.  Probably would have more if
    he hadn't spent the 80's in Cleveland.
    
    	--dan'l

    Yoohoo....Daaan, oh Daaan!!!
    
    Don't worry. Come April the Jets can draft another Pro-Bowl wide
    receiver for their high-powered offense :^>
    
    Bull~
    

 Kelley sucks! It was cheap and classless by Kelley not to give the Giants the
 credit they deserve. Blamming himself and his teammates for stopping 
 themselves. Hogwash!! Key play of the game was Guyton burying Reed on the
 down and out. Reed was so spooked after that he was in-effective. Even though
 they lost I think Thurman should have gotten the MVP he was spectacular and
 the only reason why it was a ballgame. Giants again eliminated the WR and
 took away the dump off to Thomas. Great Scheme too bad it's probably going to
 cost us Belicheck as somebody is going to make that boy a headcoach soon...

 even "AIrHEad" called a good ballgame...

 hey DAN... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 mike

    Yeah, defense wins championships, but the real surprise of the game was
    the Giants' offense, which was amazingly efficient.  They came back
    from a pretty large deficit considering the defenses involved, and
    converted for touchdowns, not field goals, when they needed it. 
    That touchdown at the end of the first half was a big one.  Hostetler
    had been having some trouble making accurate passes, and on third and
    fairly long the Bills coverage broke down.  I really thought that the 
    Giants would have to settle for a field goal in that situation, leaving
    the Bills in good shape at the half, but Hostetler came through when
    the Bills' secondary didn't.
    
    I also thought Hostetler should have been MVP.  He wasn't spectacular,
    but he was the field general out there and was a big reason why the 
    Giants converted on all those crucial third down plays.  He also took
    some shots and kept going when things looked like they were slipping
    away on the Giants.  The performance was very similar to Namath's in 
    '69 where the men up front did most of the work, but the QB was still
    the one guy who held things together. 
    
    Wonder how Dan took seeing that demonstration of Woody Hayes football 
    at its finest?  Did the Giants rediscover something they'd lost or was 
    it all a mirage?  ;-)
    
    glenn
         

GREAT GAME!!

I wore my GIANTSMANIA T-shirt to a Superbowl Party. It's the only Giant
memorablelabia (tm) I have. Everybody thought it was neat. Even Bills
fans.

I'll bet the Bills kicker (Norwood??? something like that) is about
ready to take gas.

Closest game in Superbowel history. I wouldn't be surprised, if these
teams played each other 12 times, they would both end up six and six.

Mike JN

    
    A few observations:
    
    - I knew Norwood wouldn't make that FG.  One of the few times I can
    remember just feeling that something like that would happen--usually
    I'm so paranoid I'd fear a 75 yd FG attempt.
    
    - Once the Giants gave the ball to the Bills on their 10, I felt
    satisfied to let our defense win it.
    
    - Was Reed gun shy or what?  
    
    - After all I was reading about Bruce Smith, I am glad he had a sub par
    game.  He talked so much before the game he was becoming tiresome.
    
    - I think the Giants redefined the term "THE DRIVE."  That TD to start
    the 3rd quarter was simply awesome (although Dan probably thinks it was
    boring).
    
    All in all, it was a great game by both teams, a true super bowl.  No
    turnovers the whole game, not even a fumble recovered byu the fumbling
    team.
    
    Bruce

    Glenn,
    
    I agree that Hoss shoulda been MVP.   Very reminiscent to Namath's 69
    game (cept Hoss threw for more yards).  I read the Namath article in SI
    before the game, and like I've said before, he even gives most of the
    credit to Snell, the offensive line and the defense.  Says he had an
    average game (and he did).  
    
    
    Guyton put the spook in Reed.  The Bills shoulda come out of the
    no-huddle a few times - specially after a few of the drops, in order to
    get themselves composed.  Thurman Thomas is great.  No doubt about it.
    

    Great game, but I feel that either the Jints offensive line, or Thurman
    Thomas should have gotten the MVP. The OL allowed the Jints to dominate
    the clock, keep  the D rested, and restrict the # of times Kelly
    couldget his hands on the ball. Thomas (Willowridge H.S. - Houston,
    TX.) was fantastic. If he had been given the MVP, I couldn't have
    denied him that.
    
    re. Hoss the MVP/Namath
    
    No way. Hoss played a solid game, but he wasn't responsible for opening
    holes for Anderson, nor did he come up with that unbelievable 2nd
    effort that Ingram put out.
    
    I would have loved to see the line get the MVP, instead of a QB for a
    change.
    
    
    And FWIW, Snell should have been the MVP in SBIII.
    
    Doc

    Oh yeah, Whitney Houston was awesome.

>    Hey Dock, what athlete *didn't* go to high school in Houston, TX?
    
    All the GREAT ones! ;-)
    
    > Whitney
    
    Better hurry Dock before Eddie takes her to the point of no return. 
    
    Mike

    re: Hawk
    
    	I did see the Bills huddle a few times, but it wasn't enough.
    
    	GIANTS secondary definetely made Reed run scared after the first
    quarter.  He was seeing footsteps everytime the ball came his way
    after that.
    
    	I was hoping that the cameras would show Bruce "I'm the best
    defensive player in the game" Smith.  He was making me sick with all
    his self-congratulatory talk.
    
    	I thought one key would be for the GIANTS to shut down Thurman
    Thomas.  They didn't, but it didn't matter.  
    
    	Will the GIANTS leave OJ unprotected again?
    
    						 glen j.

    So I watched "Davis Rules" after the game.  Not bad.  Jonathan Winters
    kills me.  And THEN at 10:38 they show the halftime tripe.  And who
    shows up as one of the participants?  Warren Moon!  Hardyharharheehee! 
    That was hilarious!  What the hell was he doing there?!?   But at least
    he got his Super Bowl performance he always wanted?
    
    Now he really can say he was in the Rose Bowl, the Grey Cup, and the
    Super Bowl!  Maybe he'll join the Nuked Kids on the Block.
    
    Serious question now: wasn't Gary Anderson waved by Buffalo back in the
    early 80's?  Bet they wished they had him yesterday.  Of course, that's
    a tough kick on grass for any kicker.
    
    	--dan'l
    
    

    
    .122 reminded me of something.  Why did ABC comeback to show us that
    half time crap?  I expected some interviews (which seemed to have
    gotten shortened at the end of the game) and more analysis, but didn't
    get anything.  

A friend of mine used to work in the mental hospital where Jonathan Winters
would check himself in from time to time.  The man is borderline crazy, but
aren't we all?

His mind is so improvisationally quick.  He's been a big influence on
Robin Williams.


re the half time show, I felt ripped off.  ABC billed that later 15 minute
segment as an interview with more players, like the O-line of the Giants.

Felt the half time show was pretty boring actually.  Laughed when Moon
came out...I said, what the hail is he doing there.  Thought the New
Kids on the Block got lost on their way to Provincetown....


Just some HOs...

'Saw

    That kid who was signing - man was that the absolute WORST haircut
    you've ever seen!  What a wussy cut!  My Gosh - if that's American
    youth, we's in BIG trouble.    Doesn't Barb Bush remind ya of prune
    face from Dick Tracey?  She could carry George's lunch in that pouch
    under her chin!
    
    JD

      Great Game!!!
    
      The bottom line is that Norwood missed the final FG.
    
      Didn't watch any of the half time stuff.  Interviews are usually
    boring anyway......
    
    
      		Tim

    
>    That may be true, Dickstah, but Dan is sure doing his best to change
>    that.  His comments are on about the same level as a Bronco fan.
    
>    Bruce

	Now, now Bruce.........you're gonna hurt our feelings ;^)

	Andre "Oooh these guys hit hard" Reed is a weenie.  He cost
	Buffalo at least two long gainers with some of his drops.

	The Giants o-line deserved MVP.  Just ask OJ and Megget.....

Claybroon

Re: B. Bush

I think she looks exactly like the guy on the Quaker Oats box.

Mike  JN

    So what is the deal, are the NFL & Walt Disney Corpation now 
    seamlessly integrated into the military-industrial complex?!
    That halftime show was enough to give George Orwell the heebie-
    jeebies for Godsake.  
    
    And if we wanna shorten the ground war let's parachute Marv Levy
    in to assist Saddam with his strategy.  That was one a the most
    pathetic Super Bowl choke jobs yet (and that's a mouthful).  
    
    Anybody notice how with 2 minutes or so left the total lack of
    urgency on the part of the Bills?  Maybe at that point they'd
    had their fill of monster hits and were in no hurry to feel any
    more pain.  12 seconds left and instead of doing a_out pattern
    to get the ball within that bum's polio-legged range range they
    tick it down to 8 and kill the clock.  Joe Montana woulda run
    *two* plays with 12 seconds left!  Marv Levy the 4th quarter 
    behaved like a boozed up fan who managed to slip onto the side
    line and was along for the ride, a spectator at long last living
    his dream.  Bah.
    
    MrT

    RE: the 1st lady
    
    With credit to Robin Williams: Where does George Bush get off putting
    his wife's picture on the one dollar bill!?!
    

The Giants have been big on that troops thing for a while.

With the gold armbands, and Bahr's quote after the San Fran game, I'm 
not suprised at OJ's comment.

Now, I just have to find a gold armband for the upcoming rugby season...

'Saw

 Mac, I think T is refering to the kid with bowl haircut singing to the
 troops. I thought that the showing of the servicemen/women's kids was
 great a real spiritual lift for the troops. Too bad Bush had to ruin
 the momument by sticking his ugly puss in the camera with his selling
 of the war message part IV......

 mike

    
    > Apparently the idea to dedicate the win to the troops in Saudi was OJ's
    > idea.  Disney's cameras were running and they decided to use the actual
    > quote rather than call 'take 2!'.
    
    I'd heard *before* the game that the plan between Disney and the NFL
    was to send the MVP to Saudi Arabia to visit the troops.  So while
    maybe OJ made his tribute from the heart, I think something was already
    in the works...
    
    glenn
    

    Did anybody see the sign that read...

    	"It's hard to concentrate on Bills and Giants, when your life
    depends on Jets and Patriots!".

    Pretty much summed it up...

    B.A.

    One mistake is to "blam" Norwood for the game.  I knew he would miss the
    kick, he is deadly within the 40, but no good outside it.  I don't
    understand why the Bills didn't go down the field more in that final
    drive.  The Giants seemed to be trying to prevend the big play, and
    giving up some shorter stuff.  It seemed like the Bills could have
    taken better advantage of that. 
    
    I also feel Hoss was the MVP.  He didn't do anything spectacular, but
    there was no doubt he was in control.  Thurman Thomas was a close
    second, however.  It was in the paper yesterday that Otis is probably
    going to end up in plan B.
    
    I don't know about the half time stuff, because we turned it to "Living
    Color" for a glipse of the "Fly Girls".
    
    =Bob=  - dissapointed Bills bandwagoner

    

   > The Giants seemed to be trying to prevend the big play, and
   > giving up some shorter stuff.  It seemed like the Bills could have
   > taken better advantage of that. 
   

My feeling is that the Giants knew where they had to hold the Bills.
They drew their "line in the sand" and prevented the Bills from crossing
it.  It's like saying, okay, we'll give you the 40 yard line, but not
inside the 30.

Just a feeling.....

'Saw
 

    

    According to the press, tens of thousands of people greeted the Bills
    in Buffalo while only about 500 showed up a Giants Stadium to welcome
    the Champions.   
    
    To add insult to injury, Mayor Dinkins has said NO TICKER PARADE. 
    Officially, this is because there is no money.  Unofficially, its
    because New York doesn't like to honour New Jersey football teams.
    
    Back in Buffalo, the crowd yelled,  "We love Scott,  We love Scott" as
    a way of letting Norwood know he was forgiven for missing the last
    second field goal.  (Alternatively, it is possible that the Buffalo
    City Treasury Department had bet next year's budget on the Giants to
    win!!!)
    
    Just thought you all should know,
    
    PJ

    
    I was wondering when the "our party was bigger than yours" arguement
    was going to start.
    
    The Bills had an official party by the City of Buffalo, the 500 in NJ
    were at the stadium to meet the team after they got off the plane.  The
    Giants decided that in light of the war, they didn't want an official
    party by NYC or NJ.  They were asked by both, and the Maras turned them
    down.
    

    FWIW, Whitney Houston's rendition of the Star Spangled Banner will be
    released as a single.  Now let's hope she can clear up her complexion
    before her next tour.
    
    	--dan'l

    > Seems their Woody Hayes offense was the key to this SB victory,
    > doesn't it ?
    
    Rich,  of all the possible ways for the Giants to play their offense
    and win the game, this one resulted in a one-point victory from a last
    second barely-missed field goal.  
    
    I'll give 'em all the credit in the world for winning the thing, but
    let's not read too much into it.  
    
    Dan

    re -1
    
    Was wondering how he was going to rationalize it.

 re-1 and he did a pretty bad job of it too....

	like I told JoJ one of the best parts of the victory was how much
 it would ruffle our buddy. Wonder what he'll say when the Lakers exit early?

 mike