Conference 7.286::sports_91

    
    Cavs are done with Price hurt and Williams is still out.   Obviously
    there is no need to point this out as the Cavs (just like the Browns)
    fight for the 1st pick in the draft.
    
    I'm kind of surprised that they didn't try to pick up Reggie Williams
    from the waiver wire, but I guess Wilkens had enough of his bad
    attitude last year.  He was doing a good job stat-wise in SA, so one
    can only guess that his attitude cost him that job too.
    
    I'd love to see Brent Price and Mark Price as the Cavs starting guards
    in the future.  Is Brent a sophomore or freshman?
    

Paul, Bret's probably a junior with 2 yrs of eligibility left after this one.
He orginial went to South Carolina before transfering to Oklahoma. He had to
sit out a year as SC wasn't on double secret probation or anything like that.

mike    

    re-1,
    
    	He's a junior..he played one year with the cocks!
    
    B.A.

    Paul,  think twice....
    
    It's just another day for you and Len without Mark Price....

    
    re: -.4
    
    Huh, I don't have my secret decoder ring, can you translate this 
    into something the rest of the planet can understand?
    

    Try singing it to a Phil Collins tune... I know it's not Vanilla Ice,
    but bear with me....

    
    Maybe the Cavs will take a shot on Jay Edwards who was waived by the
    Clippers.  They could use a shooting guard and Jay has more potential
    than some of the stiffs crowding the pine in Cleveland.

    
    Pretty quiet in here.  From what I hear, Price is almost back.  The
    Cavs are restricted from bringing him back for some time, however,
    because of some quirck in the salary cap that allowed them to sign 
    Terrel Brandon.  
    
    From what I here they're playing well together and the big men have 
    bulked up (Daugherty gained 20 pounds, while reducing his body fat).
    
    Tough way to start out with a 5 game western swing, however, it's 
    better to get it over with now, than down the stretch.  If they 
    come off the road trip 2-3 I'll be happy.  
    
    My season prediction..   45 wins..  3rd or 4th place in the Central.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    	I caught the game the other night when they won.  I only watched
    the first half.  Price won't be back untill January is what I hear.
    Everyone just hopes that they can stay close untill he gets there.
    
    	What a line though.....Nance, Daughtery, Hot Rod.....
    
    				Ehlo and Kerr....
    
    	Not too bad.	Ferry looked good too.  Add Price and you never
    know what might happen.
    
    		Can't make a prediction yet.  Haven't seen enough of the
    team.  They have to keep  the turnovers down to have a chance.
                     o
    		Go CAVS!
    
    

    
    	Hey unborn woman,
    
    			How can you say that?  How can you back a 
    	statement like that up?
                     o
    		Go CaVs!
    

    
    Ferry's a stiff...? seems to me they were saying the same thing
    about Sean Elliot after his first year.  Lets give the guy a 
    couple of years to prove himself.  Last years rookie class was
    certainly full of disappointments.

    Sean Elliott came out of the blocks in a big way for his sophmore
    season.  Ferry is still MIA.

    
    Sean Elliot came out of the blocks in a big way for his
    sophomore year?  Do you have his stats for the first
    three games?  Three games into the season doesn't mean
    a whole lot.

    
    Price activated..   I'm amazed how fast he came back from this injury.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    	Jeff,
    		I watched the opener and boy does Mark make the team look
    	good.  When he was in the game, the Cavs built a big 21 point lead.
    	They took him out at the end of the third quarter because he was
    	winded.  The lead fell to only 6 by the end of the game.  Price is
    	the spark the Cavs needed.  I'm sure this changes the books.  Look
    	for a long winning streak.
                     o
    		Go CAVS!

    
    Gotta agree, Hal.  Mark Price is the key to success for the Cavs.  
    Let's hope Terrel Brandon can be the backup point guard they've needed
    for so long.  Sounds like he took control in OT last night and sealed 
    a victory.  
    
    /Jeff

    Ewwwwwwww yay!  Now we can continue the HalWatch over here!  Two years
    ago, Hal was all to do about the Cavs, especially when they were in the
    playoffs.  Last year, hardly anything...since that's what the Cavs
    were...hardly anything.
    
    	--dan'l

    
    KJ would be great for a non-playoff team who didn't need his skills
    in the playoffs... when he usually gets hurt.  MARK PRICE IS GOD!
    

    Dan'l
    
    In all fairness, the Cavs have been simply decimated by injuries the
    last few years.  I felt they were well on the way to becoming
    legitimate champeenship contenders, but when Daugherty, Nance and Price
    all got injured (among others), there was no way they were going to
    anything.
    
    As for Price/KJ - before the injury, it was a wash - but to tell ya the
    truth, I liked Price better.  But, both players give their teams what
    they want.  KJ is a little flashier, but I think Price runs the offense
    better.
    
    JD

    Browns were decimated by injuries too last year and Hal disappeared. 
    I'm just pointing out that he's consistent and if the Cavs turn sour
    this season, he'll POOF out of this topic too.

    	--dan'l
    
    PS: I like the Cavs.  (Bet lEe does too.)

 and Price is much better from way way way dooooooowwwwwwwnnnnTOWN!!!

 even still I take Hardeway before either one of 'em...

    
    Who is Hardeway?  What team does he play on?
    

    Come on Paul ... EVERYONE knows Hardaway plays for the Celtics, right
    fellas !
    
    Another Red Auerbach coup !
    
    
    
    HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!
    
                    
    DrM

    PRICE would be great for a non-team who didn't need his skills
    in the playoffs or the regular season... when he usually gets hurt.  

    
    I know who Hardaway is...   I don't know who Hardeway is... BTW
    Doc, you're dumping on Red... I'll bet about 10 of "Your" teams
    had a chance to draft Hardaway and didn't.
    
    Phoenix sips... hope this helps.
    
    Bottom Line FACT:  Price made KJ expendable!

>    Bottom Line FACT:  Price made KJ expendable!
    
    That's true, but they never gave him a chance to show what he can do.
    I still can't believe they traded Harper for Ferry.
    
    That Harper-Price backcourt was as good as any in the league.  They
    might have even gone a few rounds in the playoffs, if they kept him.
    
    Mike

    
    The Harper trade MAY have been a mistake...  But that has nothing
    to do with the trading KJ.  Brandon has played well to start
    the season and the big weakness from last year (the backcourt)
    appears to be solid.  
    
    I just hope Price isn't coming back too early!  
    
    They are now 4-4 after starting out 1-4 with a 5 game road trip
    to open the season.  They could have made the playoffs if Price
    waited until January to return.   

    
    Paul, Price is back but his play time has been limited by Lenny.  I 
    don't think he's played more than 15-20 minutes in any game yet.  
    
    This team could have a very, very good year if the starting five stay
    healthy.  
    
    /Jeff

Harper for Ferry wasn't a mistake; it was a disaster!  A disaster
they're committed to for years to come.  To think that they traded
an all-star guard and draft picks for the second coming of Mark
Alarie.  Wayne Embry should have been sent packing a long time ago.
He almost makes Bill Russell look good.

Laker_Ken

    
    You're right... Embry really botched up the draft that netted him
    Harper, the trade that netted him Daugherty, the trade that netted
    him Price, the Nance trade, drafting Brandon this year...  all major
    boo boos!
    

    
    
    Daugherty named player of the Week for his efforts in leading the CAVS
    to 3 victories last week.  
    
    /Jeff

Article 5787 of rec.sport.basketball.pro:
From: cdw3@po.CWRU.Edu (Chas D. Withers)
Newsgroups: rec.sport.basketball.pro
Subject: The Ferry Update
Date: 18 Nov 91 21:01:51 GMT
Reply-To: cdw3@po.CWRU.Edu (Chas D. Withers)


The Big fella from Duke, Bob's little boy, the man who
refused to be a Clipper, the pride of Il Messagero, and
currently the bain of the Cavs (the man for whom two
number one draft picks and Ron Harper were traded, 
The ONE and only Vanilla Thunder Danny Ferry, has posted 
these numbers through the first games of this season:
    
       GP  FG  FGA   PCT.  FT  FTA   PCT.  OR  TR  A  PTS   AVG
Ferry   7   7   27  .259   18  22   .818    1  10  2   32   4.6

Can you spell YECHHHHHH!

Hey, at least he hits his free throws.

In heaven, Pete Maravich is schooling Terry Furlow 
-- 

    
    Other than the fact that he's not shooting well, it's kinda hard to 
    gain much insight based on those numbers.  You can't score and rebound 
    if you don't play, and my cut at it is that he ain't playing much.  
    
    What's his minute total?  
    
    /Jeff
    

    
    Well after a dismal 1st half the Cavs pulled out a much needed victory 
    over the Nets last night coming back from 71-54 to win it 118-114.   
    Price was big down the stretch hitting a bunch of free throws to seal it.  
    
    After loosing to Charlotte on Wednesday, the Cavs couldn't afford to 
    loose this one at home.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    Another home victory for the Cavs on Saturday, taking it to the
    Pistons (about time!).  Looks like the power shift in the Central is 
    complete, with the Pistons headed down quickly and the Bulls playing 
    inspired ball since their slow start.   Should be a runaway year for 
    the Bulls, I don't see anyone else in the Central winning 50 games.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    Tough one for the Cavs last night..  thought they might pull this one
    out after sticking with the Bulls for 3 quarters, but the poor shooting
    (43%) took it's toll down the stretch.  'Da Bulls squecked out a 
    close one 106-100.  13 in a row for the Bulls who are in a class by 
    themselves so far this year.  
    
    Anyone have any information on this Henry James guy?  Is he a rookie?  
    He made 3 key turnovers and fouled out of last nights action.. didn't 
    sound too impressive on the radio.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    James was signed by the Cavs last year out of the CBA.  He can score
    from outside (he's giving the Cavs what Ferry was supposed to deliver).

James has been around for a few years.  He's a streak shooter who can really
light it up from outside.  He can also brick with the best of them.  He's been
in and out of the NBA and CBA.

j.

    
    	The Cavs take one easy last night....good game!  Price didn't
    play much but boy o boy did Brad take it to em.  
             o   
    	Go CAVS!

    
    
    Brad has been a real force this year.  He's really stepped up his game
    and become the "go to" guy on offense.  
    
    Amazing how fast and furious the Piston's fall has been.  Doesn't look 
    like they'll finish above .500 this year.  Lambier didn't play much 
    last night.. anyone know what's up with him?  
    
    /Jeff

    
    Cavs beat Pistons in DETROIT!  Here's to all of those who said a 
    healthy CAVS team couldn't contend.
    
    Eliminate the schedule fiasco (open season with 5 game West coast
    swing) and the Cavs are playing as good as any team in the NBA with
    the exception of the Bulls.

       Have the Cadavs ever won ANYTHING?
                                  Denny

I was surprized to see the Cavs recently released Chucky Brown. 
Yesterday, the Lakers picked him up.  I thought he did a pretty
good job last year, filling in for the injured guys like Hot Rod.
What's the word on him?

Laker_Ken

    
    re: .47
    
    The Cadavs, is that the Boston team... oh no... I remember, the old
    Celtics team is now in Los Angeles as the Clipper... still can't 
    figure out why all those banners are still in the garden when they
    are owned by what is now the Clippers franchaise.
    
    re: .48  Chuckie Brown
    
    That makes two of us that are surprised that the Cavs released
    Chuckie Brown.  He plays similar to Winston Bennett, but in my
    opinion, he's a better player.  They kept Bennett, why, I don't
    know.  I'm sure he'll be able to help the Lakers.  He's no
    superstar, but he does have solid NBA experience and decent
    skills.
    

       Actually Groaner, the Celtics/Buffalo Braves/Clippers, or whatever
    you want them to be have won 3, count em, THREE NBA Champeenships since
    the infamous team swap you refer to. How many has any Cleveland team
    won since then?
                                        Denny

    
    So move the rest of the banners to the Clip joint... along with the
    retired numbers... the Clippers are paying Havlicek anyways, so
    what's the difference?
    

Hawk,

That's Hot Plate or Hot Lunch.

HTH
dd

    
    Cavs will contend for the title... bottom line.  There is one team
    better right now - Chicago... and they are only 4 games up... Cleveland
    started the season on the West Coast with Price on the IR and went 1-5.
    That's the difference between the two teams right now.
    
    Of course, if Price or Daugherty go down, the Cavs will slip back into
    the pack... but I guess the same could be said about the Bulls and
    Jordan or Pippen.

    Well Chicago Beat Clevland in there first meeting in early december
    at chicago and play at clevland next week.  Remeber what happen the
    last time cleveland had the best record in the East :-)....3 seconds
    left jordan top of the key...Bye Bye Birdie Bye Bye
    							M_Air_B

    
    The Cavs did not have the best record in the East that year, Detroit
    did.  Cleveland was on the way to the best record when one of the
    goons on the Pistons accidentally created contact and put Mark Price
    out for the last month of the season.  When the Cavs played the Bulls
    in the playoffs Price was about 50%.  These are not sour grapes.  My
    point is that with Price and Daugherty at 100%, the Cavs will contend.
    This assumes that the rest of the team is not out with injuries. If
    Price or Daugherty are out, they can forget about it. 
    
    Considering the 1-5 start and the current 22-9? record, I'd like to
    know which team other than Chicago is playing better ball than
    Cleveland?

 Also didn't the Cavs just beat Chicago last time they met? Kwak, Cleveland's
 more than hot they're good definately contenders if everyone stays healthy.
 While GS also has a fine team they lack consistant play or height at the
 center posistion so in a 7 games series a team  with a good or good big
 man/men will feast on the missing piece of GS...

 mike

    Chicago Beat Cleveland In Chicago on Dec 4rth, there only meeting
    so far this year.  They play in cleveland on thursday night 7:30,
    I hope its televised but I doubt it...(at least around here).  
    
    This is definatly a biggie for Chicago, Cleveland is the only other
    team with a single digit loss column and they would have to be in the
    same division.  A Must win to stay on top, a loss here keep clevelands
    momentum going and would get people thinking cleveland is a better team
    then chicago.....
    
    	Go Bulls End Clevelands Streak....
    							      M_Air_Brooks

    
    Cleveland is hanging tough...  They have the best home record in the
    NBA, are one of 4 teams with winning road records (they beat Boston
    and NY back to back, not an easy feat), and they have the 2nd best
    record in the league.  They have won 11 in a row and I believe they
    have 5 or 6 more at home in a row... but they won't be easy games...
    tonight against Portland will be a good test, thursday against Chicago
    will be a better test.  
    

    
    Anyone know if Thursdays game will be on WGN?  
    
    /Jeff

>    Anyone know if Thursdays game will be on WGN?  

yep.

    
    	The game last night was a good one!  The Cavs looked out of it
    through most of the game....a surge late in the game was too little
    too late.  Terible officiating!  The fast break killed them.  So
    much for the win streak.  Ferry did look good though.  3-3 pointers
    in a row.  I'll be sure to watch the game Thursday.
    
    		I'll let you all know what happened.  ;-)
             o
    	Go CAVS!!!

    They had a good streak going for awile, Im glad it was broke before
    tonight.  I wouldnt want cleveland to be any more pumped then they
    already will be.  Good test for both teams tonight, being at cleveland
    they better win.  I dont think there a better team then CHicago (of
    course there not) but Chicago is walking away and Cleveland is there
    closet competion at 5.5 games back....
    							Go BULLS....

    
    I think the Cavs will be more pumped because of losing at home than
    they would have been had they won.  They slipped to 24-10 with the
    loss.

    
    	The Cavs looked sick yesterday night.  Poor rebounding in the
    second half and poor foul shooting lost the game for them.  They
    had Jordan with 4 fouls at the beginning of the 3rd but then the
    officials wouldn't call another one.  It was getting rediculas there
    towards the end.  Jordan could do anything he wanted including 
    crawling up Ferry's back and not get called.  The Cavs were within
    3 with 7 min to go.  If there is one basketball player I hate....it
    is Jordan!  He just gets away with too much.  He can push, shove and
    nothing ever gets called.
    
                     o
    		Go CAVS!!!

    
    I didn't see the game, but that makes two straight home losses in a
    row.  They better pull out of this quick.  What was the final 100-85?
    

    tough to play with your hands firmly wrapped around your throat!

    
    Phoenix should know...

    i got a better offer from finizio... draft picks for Kemp, Daugherty
    and Stockton.

    his draft picks will be higher ;-)

    Shouldn't that be in note 124?

    
    Note 55.76 has nothing to do with the Cavaliers.  Please refrain
    from side discussions in this note.
    
    Paul
    

    The Browns, The Cavaliers, and The Indians have nothing to do 
    with sports.  What are they doing in this conference !!
    
    ;^)
    
    BG

    
    	Great game on Saturday....Price with the big steal and Ehlo getting
    the foul to cap the win.
    
    	Bad news.....Nance is out and so is Battle.  nance with a calf
    thing and Battle with an ankle injury.
    
    	Big game tonight.....Celtics.
    
    	The word is the Celtics don't play well in Cleveland....something
    about how the Cavs are treated when comming to Boston.....no towels
    or something like that....the Celtics get the same treatment in
    Cleveland.
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    	It's true Hal, the Celtics make the Cavs use Kleenex to dry
    themselves.

    
    >>        -< Key injuries make the Celts just an average team... >-
    
    More like a simple case of age.  
    
    So who won todays game?  
    
    /Jeff

    How long is Nance expected to be out?
    

    
    	Cavs loose at home.....Daughtery out...not sure why.
    				Nance...not sure how long he will be out.
    				Battle...came into the game but not sure
    					how much time he actually put in.
    
    			Ice man put the jinks on the team........
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    
    Cavs are hitting a slide here when they should be winning at home.
    They are playing some tough teams, but if they can't win these games,
    they still have a ways to go before the playoffs start.
    

    How did the Celtics do last night?  Never mind, they couldn't possibly
    win in Richfield WITHOUT MCHALE AND BIRD!

    
    I know you're trying to harass me, but you've got to tell the whole
    story.
    
    1) Cavs were missing Daugherty and Nance as well.
    2) Cleveland still has a better record than the putrid suns.

    Yeah, but how many, nah, never mind...

    Cavs have the NBA's 3rd best record, Phoenix is 4th.  Suns are only 1
    game behind them.

    
    As expected, Walt (aka DrM's puppet) shows up with some wise comment.
    

    Ooh that hurts...
    
    Sticks and stones, groaner, sticks and stones... force of habit when
    I see a Cleveland note I guess... I'm sorry...
    
    
    So, as I asked before excuses were made for the Celts loss, anyone know
    how long Nance will be out?

    
    Excuses were made for the loss?  False!  Heiser tried to make it sound
    like the undermanned Celtics team thrashed a full healthy Cavs squad 
    which is completely false.  There are no excuses.  On Jan 20th in
    Richfield, OH the better team won.  That day, the Celtics team that
    took the floor was better than the Cavs team.  Since the start of the
    season, the team records indicate otherwise.
    
    Too bad the Cavs didn't have more games against the Pistons to help
    beef up their record.
    
    I wonder what Chicago's record would be if they played in the Atlantic
    Division with the load of games against the two expansion teams and
    the two teams that play like expansion teams (Wash and NJ) in that
    division.
    
    Does that satisfactorily explain matters to you George?  Er I mean
    Wally.

    They would all be jockeying with the Sonics, Clippers, and Kings if
    they played in the NBA's toughest division.

    Sorry Beaver, I mean Paul, I must have read .89, reason 1 as an alibi.
    Please forgive me.
    
    P.S. The Pistons have won 13 of their last 15, but are being quiet
    about it.

    
    Does anyone know the Pistons record v.s. the Cavs this season?
    

    They're winless against Phoenix.

    I'm sure Lenny Wilkins does... maybe even Bingo Smith.

    The Bulls are 10-2 against West Coast Teams and I think there 6-1
    against the Atlantic division... So Basically It doesnt matter
    what division you put the bulls in... THEYRE KICKING BUTTTTTT
    There other 2 loses where from division Rivals (Mil).  So no division
    is giving the bulls any trouble what so ever....GO BULLS..
    								MaB

|    The Bulls are 10-2 against West Coast Teams and I think there 6-1
|    against the Atlantic division... So Basically It doesnt matter
|    what division you put the bulls in... THEYRE KICKING BUTTTTTT
|    There other 2 loses where from division Rivals (Mil).  So no division
|    is giving the bulls any trouble what so ever....GO BULLS..


Bob Swerski has a woodie.  File @ 11



8^)

    
    Bidness as usual... Cavs dump Pistons IN palace.  What does that make
    the Cavs, 3-0 v.s. the Pistons this year?
    

    Yup, good comeback after losing to Orlando..

    So how many titles has ... ah, forget it .....

For the edification of all participants in the Cleveland topics,
be they pro-Cleveland or anti-Cleveland, I'd like to point you
in the direction of NOTE 240.

Pleases read that note carefully, and for good measure, re-read it.

I'm sure that having read it, you will all make a most enthusiastic
attempt to take it to heart and follow it...


thank you,
'Saw

    
    
    Cavs finally ended the streak of 12 straight victories by the Bulls
    last night.. when they prevented Jordan from taking a final shot to 
    beat them..  Pippen took it and missed.  
    
    Great win...  Hopefully, this will give them the road confidence they
    need, since they embark on a major west coast swing starting next Wedn.
    
    /Jeff

    
    Mike,
    
    Just cause the Suns have gone into the tank, don't take it out on the 
    mighty CAVS!!!!!!!!      
    
    /Jeff

    
    It is very unlikely that they will be bumped off in either the 1st or
    2nd round, they have had little trouble beating any team in the 
    Eastern conference with the exception of the Bulls.  Of course, regular
    season means nothing come playoff time, however, this team seems to be
    getting better week by week.  
    
    Home court until the Eastern finals can't hurt them either.  
    
    /Jeff  

    How do they get home court untill the eastern finals ???? doesnt the
    team from the eastern division get the #2 spot thruout, the best
    cleveland can do is the #3 as far as I can tell and that would put them
    away for the 2nd round (Thats if Detroit doesnt catch and pass them).
    
    But what a series Chicago VS Cleveland would be, I wonder how many of
    the cavs can remember chicago knocking them out in the 1st round with
    a last second Jordan Buzzer beater to take 3 out of 5 series ????????
    
    Im still hoping for a Celtics VS Bulls Eastern Finals....
    								MaBrooks

    If Cleveland has the 2nd best record in the East, then they would get
    the home court advantage against the #3 seeded team. At least, that's
    the way it worked a couple of years ago, when the 76ers won the
    Atlantic. They didn't have the home court advantage over the Bulls( I
    think) that season because the Bulls had a better season record. If it
    still works the same, the Cavs would have to be the favorite against
    whoever came into Richfield.
    
    Dennis
    

    I thought the seeds would go
    Chicago, NY, Cleveland... but Cleveland would have home court against
    NY... no?

    Walt is correct.  The seeds only determine matchups, not home court.
    
    If Cleveland is #3 at season's end, they will play the #6 team.  If
    they advance, they would play the winner of #2 and #7.  #1 (Chicago) 
    plays #8 and the winner plays the survivor of #4 and #5.
    
    Mike

    
    So, the bottom line is that the race for 2nd best record, will
    determine who has home court (as it stands now, NY or Clev.) in the
    second round, provided no upsets occur in the 5 game mini's.  
    
    Of course, we have a long way to go yet, so it's too early to worry
    about playoff seedings, however, tonights game at MSG should be a 
    good one, none the less.  Daugherty has had Patricks number in the 
    previous 2 meetings (Cavs victories), have to see if the trend
    continues.   
    
    Brooks, trust me, Cavs fans have not forgotten the 2 playoff eliminations 
    of the Cavs by the Bulls.  Hopefully, we can return the favore come
    May.  
    
    /Jeff
       

    
    	Haven't been able to watch a Cavs game in weeks.......what a
    drag...must be why their winning streak was stoped.  Ya know,
    the ole lady started moaning....."You don't pay enough attention
    to me".  So, now after three straight days of giving her more than
    she can handle, she wants me to stay up late.  :-)
    
    		I guess you had to be there.
             o
    	Go CAVS!

    
    Hal's got a new ole lady!  Congrats, Hal.
    

    The Cavs finally bumped off the Bull... and in Chicago, to boot.
    
    It would have been quite an accomplishment, but the way they are
    playing lately (Cleveland that is) they had better get their act
    turned around quick if they want the 2nd best record in the east.

    
    
    Only excuse for the losses @Denver and @Milwaukee, is the back-to-back 
    syndrome.. both losses came after emotional games the night before 
    (Chicago victory, and Utah loss), also from what I've heard Price
    doesn't perform well during the 2nd night of back-to-backs.. he's still
    not 100%.  
    
    As for the Utah game, the Cavs got jobed outta a chance to take it to
    OT.  
    
    Regardless, though, they're 2-4 in their last 6 games.  They must win 
    tonight.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    
    Cavs won a big one on the road against the Knicks last night.  It
    will directly help them in the race for the 2nd best conference
    record (their competition is the Knicks).  I know the Cavs beat the
    Knicks earlier in the season in NY.  Does anyone know what the
    head-to-head records are of the Cavs and the Knicks.
    
    Problem is, they play the second game of back-to-back games tonight.
    The only good thing is that they play Sacramento.
    
    Go CAVS... what a team!
    

    
    Cavs on a mini-role taking 5 of last 6 heading into a BIG west coast 
    swing.  Games on the upcoming trip are Phoenix, GS, Lakers, Seattle, 
    Sacramento, then Atlanta before coming home again.  
    
    A 3-3 record would be respectible over the trip, however, if they play
    up to their ability, they should be able to manage at least 4 wins.
    
    I noticed the Knicks are also out west this week..  Not sure what their 
    schedule looks like down the stretch, but the Cavs play a lot of home
    dates at the end of the season.  
    
    /Jeff

    Knicks are in Phoenix tonight, Cavs are here on Wednesday.
    
    Mike

    
    Cavs with a big win in LA over the fading Lakers.  I think George said
    said it best in note 98.119:  "You should hear very little from a
    certain noter for the next few days anyhow !"
    
    Funny how he conveniently dropped off the Lakers bandwagon and doesn't
    wear that silly Pistons' (Thomas) jersey any more...  I hear Utah and
    Portland are doing well George - there are still lots of untapped
    bandwagons for you to climb on. 

    Didn't know he owned one....
    
    

    
    re: .128
    
    Now that I think about it... he probably borrowed it.  Jumping on
    and off bandwagons that often, it would be expensive to buy the
    appropriate clothing for each team.
    

    
    Well, the CAVs pulled one out vs the Suns yesterday, riding the 4th
    quarter heroics of Mark Price.  Down 9 with about 5 minutes left the
    Cavs mounted a comeback by hitting 4 big 3-point buckets - 2 by Mr. 
    Clutch (Mark Price).  Price also had a driving layup and 2 foul shots
    down the stretch and finished the game with 24 points.  
    
    Price proved once again that the CAVs traded the right guard when they 
    sent Kevin Johnson packing to the Suns.  
    
    OKAY, enough for my Heiser-ism.  
    
    These teams have played extremely even in their two meetings this 
    year..  the make-up of the Suns and Cavs are very similar, both teams 
    are extremely well balanced with no single dominant player.  Could
    these teams face again for the NBA championship.. unlikely, but I bet 
    it'd be a hell of a series if it did happen.  
    
    /Jeff
         

>    are extremely well balanced with no single dominant player.  Could
>    these teams face again for the NBA championship.. unlikely, but I bet 
>    it'd be a hell of a series if it did happen.  
    
    So true.  I've really enjoyed both games and it would be fun to watch.
    FWIW, the final was 102-100.  The two games were decided by a total of
    4 or 5 points.
    
    The offensive foul call, by Referee Alexander, on Jeff Hornacek with 1 
    minute left was bogus!  We might have had OT!
    
    Mike

    
    Mike, give it a rest.  When the suns won, you didn't blame the refs...
    
    Bet we don't hear from a certain noter for a while...

    Tommy Gun was a blistering 5 -17
    
    JD

    Yeah, and I considered starting Cummings over him in DEChoops too...
    oh well..
    

    
    
    Mike, any idea why Daugherty got the T called on him in the 4th
    quarter?  Joe Taite (CAVS Radio man) didn't have a clue..  Daugherty 
    is probably the only player in NBA history who got a T for rolling 
    his eyes at a call.. this happened earlier this year. 
    
    /Jeff

>    Mike, give it a rest.  When the suns won, you didn't blame the refs...
    
    I didn't this time either.  I just pointed out one bad call, and never
    said it would have changed the outcome.  I said we *MIGHT* have seen
    OT.
    
    Mike

>    Mike, any idea why Daugherty got the T called on him in the 4th
>    quarter?  Joe Taite (CAVS Radio man) didn't have a clue..  Daugherty 
    
    The Suns' TV crew said, "Brad Daugherty has just been given a technical
    for saying one of those magic words."

    do any of you Clevelanders know anything about Price's band?  BTW - How
    did the Cavs do last night?
    
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    Mark Price of the Cleveland Cavaliers, an all-star and among the top
    3 point shooters in the NBA.
    
    He grew up in a Christian household and at 17 made it personal with
    Jesus at a youth rally.
    
    He has a Contemporary Christian Music band called Mark Price and
    Lifeline.  They released an album this past September.
    
    Lisa

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    NBA HOOPS Magazine has an article on Price, that talks about his group.
    

    
    Cavs are now tied in the loss column with Portland for the 2nd best
    record in the NBA (Phoenix Puns nowhere in sight)...  They have three
    games left against weaker teams and they need to pass Portland for 
    2nd best record (I believe they are 0-2 v.s. the Blazers this year).
    
    If Ehlo can come back, I have high hopes for this team in the playoffs.
    

    
    Fun-Fact (NOT)
    
    Cavs have NEVER won their 1st game in the playoffs.  This was their 
    undoing in recent playoffs, since starting a 5 game series with 
    a loss (especially a home loss) is a killer.  This trend better stop 
    this year! 
    
    /Jeff

    
    
    If they can't get out of the first round this year, they might as
    well pack it in.  Anything less than playing in the Eastern Conference
    finals will be a disappointment.

    What happened the last time Cleveland was a Favorite in the East :-)
    
    Im not so sure cleveland is a shoe in for the Eastern Finals... Well
    have to wait and see.  Although I would not be surprised to see a few
    upsets in the first round this year, both in the East and West.
    	
    								MAirB

    If they don't get out of the 1st round this year, it's gonna be murder
    in here.
    
    BTW Groaner, you still owe me Kemp ;-)

    
    How good are the bulls without Jordan?  Not so good it seems.
    Nothing is definite, the bulls are favorites as long as they
    stay healthy. 
    
    Cleveland has played well with Ehlo out of the line-up.
    
    Heiser, don't talk to me about Kemp... your blantant cheating
    in that league lead to its demise!

    
    Cavs get bounced by Charlotte.  Looks like they'll have to 
    settle for 3rd best record in the NBA.  They'll be the #3
    seed in the east, but have home court advantage over the
    #2 team should they meet in round 2 of the playoffs.
    
    Can someone tell me what the BOS-NYK head to head record is?
    If the teams tie, who is in line to win the tie-breaker?
    

       Boston wins the tie breaker.
                                   Denny

    Boston won all 3 games in Boston, Knicks won both games in NY. Unlike
    the NHL the NBA does not drop one home game if the teams do not have
    the same number of home games.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Knicks never have had the reputation of choking big time, but they
    really blew it last night. They had a 94-85 lead and then gave up 10
    straight points. Painful.
    
    Much as I hate to do this I gotta give credit to the Celtics. They have
    won something like 15 of 16 and 8 in a row against some very tough
    teams. I just don;t see the Celtics losing to Miami in Boston on Sunday
    so it looks like the Knicks will face Detroit in round 1, Knicks with
    the home court advantage. Pistons ae 4-1 or something like that in the
    season series.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

 Oh Mikey, if only Dan-n-n-n-n-n-i-e-e-e boy was here to check that one out

 hahaha

    Good one Chap!
    Dan Devine is livin in Arizona
    Divine is pushin' up daisy's
    Hollywood an DVine used to be GLOWgals.
    
    HTH,
    MikeL
    

    Dan Devine lives in the Tempe area and is heavily involved with ASU. 
    He is one of the big-wigs in the Sun Angel Foundation, which is ASU's
    largest alumni organization.
    
    Mike

    
    What does a ND football coach have to do with the Cleveland Cavaliers.
    
    I'm sorry to report that I got stuck with two Celtics playoff tickets
    for game A.  

       Give me 10 bucks and I'll take them off your hands. Or do you REALLY
    wanna go?
                                    Denny

    
    I traded them to some kid on the street for a pack of UD baseball cards
    and an eraser.  They were only $31 seats.

    
    The CAVs draw NJ in the 1st round.  The Nets have given them some 
    trouble this year.. Hope the CAVs take them very, very seriously.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    re: .163
    
    Try front row balcony.  AWESOME seats.  I've been there before.

    
    I'll be rooting for Indiana!  Although, I'd like to see Cleveland
    eliminate Boston en route to the NBA title.
    

    Happiness is the Celtics being eliminated as early as possible.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    Is cleveland a lock over NJ or should it be a good series.  How
    did these 2 teams match up during the regular season.  I would
    think Cleveland Fans would be praying for an upset between Boston
    and Indiana, I think boston was the only team to trash cleveland
    in cleveland this year, twice if im not mistaken ???
    
    The 1st round looks to be pretty competative all around this year
    (If the heat can play strong).  Im still beting on at least 2 upsets
    maybe more........Boston VS NJ in the 2nd round hhhmmmmm
    
    								MairB

    
    Air,  Jersey played Cleveland even this year (2-2), the last time they
    met was no more than 2 weeks ago.. Daugherty sat out, and NJ beat
    the Cavs fairly soundly as that awesome force Chris Dudley lit up the 
    boards.
    
    Regular season games don't mean squat now, although you are right,
    Boston took the regular season series against the CAVs 3-1.  All the 
    Boston/Cleveland games this year have been close ones, and seeing that 
    the CAVs were without Ehlo for at least one of those mathups I'm not 
    that afraid of Boston.  Biggest concern for me is a first round suprise 
    at the hands of the Nets.  Once they're by the Nets they should roll
    into the Conference Finals.  
    
    /Jeff    

    One more quick question, if Cleveland did somehow make it to
    the NBA finals would they get home court over Portland, they
    both ended at 57-25 ?  Thanks.  I dont follow cleveland too
    much .......
    							MairB

    Cleveland has the tiebreaker...
    
    REK

    
    Portland swept the series with the CAVs, they will have home court if
    the teams meet in the playoffs.
    
    /Jeff

    Are you sure Jeff? I could have sworn that I had heard/read that
    CLeveland had the tie-breaker....
    
    REK

    
    Yep Rick, Portland has the advantage.  I gaaaaraunnnn-T . 
    
    /Jeff  

    
    Go CAVS!
    
    Go Celtics - NOT!
    

neither the Cavs or Blazers will be making the finals so quit wasting disk
space will ya......

 ;^)

    
    Well the CAVs did something they've never done before in the history of 
    the club, they won the first game of the playoffs.  Didn't look good 
    there for a while as NJ actually pulled ahead by 1 with 3-4 mintues
    left, but then the radio faded out, and by the time it faded back in,
    Bingo, CAVs up by 11.  
    
    I knew this was gonna be a tough series.. Well, if they win on Saturday 
    they'll definetly advance - probably with a sweep.  
    
    /Jeff 

    
    The Cavs are in the drivers seat, but not out of danger.  All the low
    seeds have to do in round 1 is win 1 of the first 2 games...  I don't
    think Boston is out of danger either.  They pulled away with 3 minutes
    to go, but they didn't blow Indiana out.

 With guys as old as Slasher and Lee, Boston is always in danger but by the
 same token if they stay healthy they are more experienced. 

 mike

    Given last year's war, I don't think thta a blowout was expected ...

    
    Cavs looked mighty, mighty fine on Saturday.  Let's hope they can end
    it tomorrow night.. and rest a little before the Boston series -   
    which will probably go 4 games.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    Not a real great effort by the CAVs last night, as they blew a big 10
    point lead with about 5 minutes left.  Good comeback by the Nets..  
    That Petrovich isn't shy about taking the pressure shot from way
    downtown.  Dudley had some big plays also. 
    
    Not sure why Ehlo didn't have many minutes..  Brandon didn't play
    either.  
    
    I hope they wrap it up tomorrow night.. I'd hate to see this series go
    to a fifth game.  
    
    /Jeff

    Will NJ this year be the Bulls of a past year.  Will this team have
    flashbacks of game 5 VS Chicago.  What an upset that would be.  The
    west may have a big upset with Seattle possible knocking off GS but
    the east was going as planned, unless NJ can pull off a miricle and
    come back from a 2-0 deficit (I dont really think NJ can do it, im
    just causing trouble :-))
    
    							M_Air_Brooks

    
    NJ caught a big break when the refs missed Coleman throwing a punch at 
    Danny Ferry. Not that I would have wanted to win that way, but if the 
    refs had seen it Coleman gets tossed.  
    
    Comparing this team to the last 57 win team (the one taken out by 
    Chicago) is unfair.   This team seemed to be peaking coming into the 
    playoffs, that team played about .500 ball for the last quarter of the 
    season.. thanks in part to a Rick Mahorn elbo to Price's head.  
    
    /Jeff

    BTW Seattle beating GS would be an upset but not in the same univers as
    the Nets beating Cleveland would be.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

    	I agree with Crazy Met, other than the Lakers, anyone winning
    out west is not a big upset.
    
    				/Don

    
    Cavs - Sonics finals... anything else is an upset.
    

    GS finished with the 2nd best record in the (MIGHTY) west, thats were
    cleveland finished in the east and only 2 games up on GS.  They both
    have I believe the #3 seeds so in respective Conferences the upsets
    would be equivilent.  I dont think NJ's will do it, but no one thought
    the bulls would back then either .....
    							M.Air.Brooks

Sorry Air,

The sonics were a much better team then their 6th place finish showed. Once they
dumped KC and brought in Karl they were one of the top teams in the west. 
Add in the fact that they match up very well against GS and I don't think that
their beating of GS (I won't count my chickens yet) would be much of an upset.

They are capable of beating anybody in the west (although Portland still has
their number this year). I don't expect to see them in the finals but I would
not be wholly suprised if they get there. 

but Paul...I still don't see Cleveland making it past Chicago.....

The Nets beating the Cavs would be a huge upset...the sonics beating the Warriors
is actually what I expected. At best it was a 50-50 chance...


Metz
  

    
    
>                 <<< Note 55.189 by FNATCL::CBULLS::MBROOKS >>>
>          -< Cleveland VS Bulls Eastern Finlals = SWEEP!!!!!!!!!!!! >-
    
    
    Come on now, Air, I imagine the Bulls will win at least one game!  
    
    /Jeff

    In a series versus Boston, who would have the homecourt advantage?
    
    Is it determined by seed or regular season record?
    
    
    
    Nelly

    By record...

    
    Cavs will have the home court if they meet Boston in the second round.
    Nothing can be taken for granted.  New Jersey has some excellent
    players and until they are eliminated (if they are), i'm not looking
    to the next series.  
    
    Cavs blew last nights game big time.
    

    Actually if the bulls and Cavs do meet I hope the bulls LET THEM WIN
    at least one game, the poor team has had enought problems this year
    and deserve at least one Victory VS Da Bulls in the easter finals...
    ...........NOT....... The bulls will blow dem away.  Thats of course
    if they get there, I have a feeling the team I should be worried about
    is the celtics.
    							M.Air.B

 If I was you Air, I'd be worried about Detroit. After all those thugs Isiah
 and Lambieer just might take Michael out for good in a rage of jealousy....

 but that's the point Paul, Cavs blew it. NJ won because the had the crowd
 and momentum etc at the end. If Cavs didn't fall alseep it's over. Sure
 NJ has some nice players but they have some glaring weakness and a stuborn
 coach. Cavs are a balanced, experienced team. Should be over tonight...

 mike

    Detriot(tm) has to get there first...
    

    I thought Seattle could beat GS, but it was a year away ... they are
    growing up real fast ...

    I thought you said GS would go all the way...
    

    
    Please take this GS-Seattle discussion to the appropriate note.
    
    Cavs on TNT tonight... should close out the Nets.  If the Cavs do
    close out the series tonight, when do they start against the Celtics?

    I think the first game of the Cleveland-Boston series would be Saturday
    at the Gahden, if the Cavs beat the Nets

    I thought Cleveland would have the home court advantage against Notre
    Dame??
    
    Joe

    Yeah, that's right, Cleveland would have the home-court. I guess that's
    what I deserve for believing what I heard on the radio. (No,it was NOT
    Tank, but...)
    
    Tom

    Yup, as I tried to indicate in .193, it's by record, not seed,
    Cleveland would play game 1 at home, should they advance against
    New Jersey...

    re .199
    
    GS may not get out of Seattle alive. I still think they could take
    Chicago, but they had better win the next two.
    
    I still like G.S., it's just that Seattle is growing up faster than
    expected. That's all.

 See Jeff just like I said...no problem...got be happy Dougherty isn't
 going to get much rest.

 CAVs 98 The Wardle look alikes 89...

    
    
    Right, Mike.. they took it, but they certainly had me a little nervous 
    in the process.   I didn't realize Daugherty had hurt his ankle in game
    3.. that makes not closing the Nets out on Tuesday a real big mistake
    for the CAVs.   Daugherty wasn't too terribly effective last night..  
    I hope he gets a some mobility back by Saturday.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    
    It wasn't pretty, but they got the job done.
    
    Game 1 - saturday in Cleveland.

    
    Celtics looked awesome...
    

    
    
    The CAVs certainly put on a clinic Saturday..  however, it's only 1 
    game in a best of 7 series.  
    
    /Jeff  

    
    
    I like the change in attitude of the so called local sports experts.
    During the Pacers series they were asking if Chris Ford could afford
    to give Larry Bird significant playing time if and when he returns.
    That the team chemistry would be disrupted and the team defense 
    would suffer.  They lose one game to the Cavs and all of a sudden
    its "No Bird, no championship..." attitude.  Typical.
    
    Well, its only one game and Cleveland must win tonight to hold the
    home court advantage.  Game 3 is Wednesday and game 4 is Saturday.
    The days between game 3 and 4 should be beneficial to Daugherty
    (and Bird).

    Paul, it has been said all along that the team with out Bird would
    not win it all and I think it still stands.. The Cadavers won
    1 game they still must win another 3....
    
    REK

    
    re: .213
    
    REK, no doubt... its only one win and 4 are needed to win the series.
    
    See .212
    
    >Well, its only one game and Cleveland must win tonight to hold the
    >home court advantage.  

 Celts have been here before they know what to do. While Cavs haven't, Lenny
 has and that's a problem. Two games in a row I've watched them turn it
 around in the second half of a game. I see Bags revert to form. ;^( Must
 be that arena...

 Local rags say Parish is pissed at himself. This is usually a good omen.

 mike

    I wish I had $10 for everytime a team gets blown-out in Game 1, only to
    come back and take the series.
    
    Mike

    
    	Man, ya know what has made me sick.  The Celtic fans.  They think
    their team is just Soooooooooo good.  How good can a team be when they
    only have played together for one year?  Maybe good enough to win in
    the first round of the playoffs but certainly not good enough to win
    this series with Cleveland.  This is Clevelands year.  Not the Celtics.
    Why don't all you Celtic fans eat a piece of that humble pie and
    swallow it down with a case of beer....which is what they will need to
    get through the game tonight.  The Cavs outclass this Boston club.  
    
    	How about those Cavs Cheerleaders?  Dam nice!  When do those new
    cards come out?  
    
    		The Cavs in a BIG win tonight.
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                       o     o      o  o   o

>    	Man, ya know what has made me sick.  The Celtic fans.  They think
>    their team is just Soooooooooo good.  How good can a team be when they
 
>    Why don't all you Celtic fans eat a piece of that humble pie and
>    swallow it down with a case of beer....which is what they will need to
>    get through the game tonight.  The Cavs outclass this Boston club.  

Yea, I really wish I could be objective like you!!!!!!!111111

=Bob=

                         8^)      

      I think both teams are closley matched.  I think it will be a good
    series (I hope)!
    
      Congrats =Bob=  I think!  Your P_name.....
    
    	Tim

Thanks Tim... [it's a few months away yet]

>     Congrats =Bob=  I think!  Your P_name.....

Thanks Tim...[it's a few months away yet, two girls - nobody will listen to 
              me in the house!]

The Cavs are definitely a different team with Eloh and Price in the lineup.  
They definitely can do more things, and are very difficult to defense.  On the 
other hand, the single most important player on the Celtics (IMHO) remains 
Robert Parish.  If he can come out of the fog, and at least play even with 
Doughty, the Celtics will be fine.

=Bob=

    
     As a 'Tics fan, I can excuse the over exuberance of the Cadavs fans 
    in here. We're talking uncharted territory for them and given the low
    regard with which their city and its teams are generally held I can under-
    stand why they'd be excited about beating a team with the storied past
    of the NBA's most successful franchise. However, they should take a 
    lesson from consistent winners like ourselves - don't go taunting the 
    opposition after one game of a seven game series.

    re: Parish in a fog
    
    What exactly is wrong with Parish, I mean, is he hurting, or just in a
    slump?
    
    BTW, can Daugherty possibly look any stupider?  That 'do is aweful.
    
    

    	Could be Da Chief is up against a young, great center.  Hawk
    you're just jealous 'cuz Brad's got hair to do something with. 
    8^)  But I ain't writing off the Celtics yet.
    
    				/Don

    Parish sprained an ankle during the game, but I don't think that's the
    whole story.  He does dissapear every once in awhile.  The good thing
    is that he reappears with a vengeance.

>    	Could be Da Chief is up against a young, great center.  Hawk
>    you're just jealous 'cuz Brad's got hair to do something with. 
>    8^)  But I ain't writing off the Celtics yet.
    
 
 Naw it's got to go deeper than that. He's been slapping young buck stud
 centers around for years. He was slumping against Indiana who was basically
 centerless. I think he's getting to much nookie at home and it's taking
 away his edge. Like Sampson's suffering with Delia all of men's problems
 can be traced back to women. 

 ;^)

 Imagine if it was Harper and Price instead of Elho....I'd be real nervous 
 then,....

    
> Imagine if it was Harper and Price instead of Elho....I'd be real nervous 
> then,....
    
    Mike, not only would you be nervous, but so would the Jordanians et al.  
    
    Gotta admit, though, when Ferry comes in he makes people nervous 
    (unfortunetly, it's the CAVs fans!)  
    
    /Jeff

I think the Cavs are a better team with Ehlo instead of Harper. Or is it
just coincidental the Mark Price became a much better player after Harper
was dealt to the Clippers.

And, FWIW, I'm a fan of Harper's so this isn't a rap on him. Of course
the problem was with getting Ferry, not who they got rid of...

TTom

> I think the Cavs are a better team with Ehlo instead of Harper. Or is it
> just coincidental the Mark Price became a much better player after Harper
> was dealt to the Clippers.

 I see your point TTom but who's to say with both Harper and Price maturing,
 Price wouldn't have gotten better? 

 I suppose you could make a point that without Harper taking all the shots,
 Price was forced to become a better offensive player but Harper's maturity
 has led him from an individual to a team player. If he underwent the same
 transformation in Cleveland and the Cavs had those draft picks they gave
 up, ummhh???

    My user disk is off-line so I can't go back and look at the stats for
    Parish's games vs. Daugherty, but generally Daugherty runs him ragged
    and eats his lunch.  I doubt it's his ankle.  He just can't keep up, as
    /Don says.  
    
    Bird would really help in this series.  The Cavs simply don't turn the
    ball over (I think they had the best steal to turnover ratio in the
    league), and they could really use a skilled floor captain.  Somehow I
    don't think Bagley is the man, but I've eaten crow on him more than a
    few times this year.
    
    j.

    Celts win!!!!!!!!!!   Boston 104- Cleve 98... Series 1-1 going back to
    Boston...  The Cadavers live up to their name....
    
    Soooo Hal nad Paul... With out Bird and Brown the Celts win in
    Cadaverland....
    
    REK

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    	Man, ya know what has made me sick.  The Celtic fans.  They think
    their team is just Soooooooooo good.  How good can a team be when they
    only have played together for one year?  Maybe good enough to win in
    the first round of the playoffs but certainly not good enough to win
    this series with Cleveland.  This is Clevelands year.  Not the Celtics.
    Why don't all you Celtic fans eat a piece of that humble pie and
    swallow it down with a case of beer....which is what they will need to
    get through the game tonight.  The Cavs outclass this Boston club.  
    
    	How about those Cavs Cheerleaders?  Dam nice!  When do those new
    cards come out?  
    
    		The Cavs in a BIG win tonight.
               o o
    	     o     o             o  o  o   o           O O
    	Go CAVS!    o     o     o   o  oo  o            |
                     o   o o   o    o  o o o           \_/
                      o o   o o     o  o  oo
                       o     o      o  o   o

    .219
    
    	Well, I certainly have.  Everyone I've heard is just looking by
    	the Cavs.  This is what is out of order and for some reason, I
    	just got sick of it yesterday.
    
    		

Boy, I'm sure humbled.  That humble pie from last night is giving me indigestion,
and the case of beer I washed it down with is giving me a hangover.  I was just 
so foolishe to think the Celtics could beat the Cavs.  8*)

Actually, both teams were shooting well most of the game.  The Celtic run in 
the fourth was based on several key defensive stops that they were able to 
convert.  I guess Parish reaapeared too.

=Bob=

    
    Celts were throwing them in from everywhere..  some remarkable shots
    with Cavs right in their faces.  Cavs on the other hand didn't have a 
    great shooting night..  Bottom line, Celts take it and we're even up.  
    
    I expected a good series and this is shaping up to be just that..  I
    don't see the Celts taking all 3 games at home, but then again, the
    CAVs could very well loose another in Richfield.   This weekends games 
    will be fun..  hopefully, Daugherty will be back to full strength after 
    3 days rest!  
    
    /Jeff

     Unlike whoever pissed Hal off, I never thought Boston was a lock
    to take this series. The Cavs are talented and they didn't get the
    second best record in the NBA by accident. On the other hand, there is 
    always the expectation around these here parts that the 'Tics will go 
    deep in the playoffs, anything less is unacceptable. If the Cavs can be 
    successful for a few years and maybe even win a title on the way then 
    their fans will develop the same sort of expectations. It's not a matter
    of taking the other team lightly. This series is getting good.

 Hal don't need no one to piss him off he can do that all by himself. Better
 yet the Cavs, Browns, Indians can do it for him....

  ;^)

It took a very inspired effort by the entire Celtic team to beat the Cavaliers.
They don't allow much room for mistakes, that's for sure.   These games have
been very exciting to watch.   It's very possible the Cavaliers will take one
of the next two in Boston.    One thing to remember, the Celtics are not really
that team of "old f**ts" that everyone remembers.  They are playing very well
themselves these days..

		Bob Cohen

    The next game isn't until Friday.  Early reports are that Bird will be
    in the lineup.

    
    
    The Cavs played well in the first half but completely lost it in the
    second half.  The Celtics were pounding the boards, getting easy shots
    and many second chances.
    
    Like I said after game 1, Cleveland had to win yesterday to hold the
    home court.  They didn't.  Now they'll have to win one on the road.
    
    BTW, whoever was giving me grief about the Celtics winning w/o Bird
    and Brown...  Brown was a DNP-CD.
    
    Playing friday will help Ehlo and Daugherty for Cleveland and Bird
    for Boston.  Ehlo still isn't back into the swing of things after
    coming off the DL recently.  I expect a split in Boston for a 2-2
    series.  Now it will go 7 games.

    
    
    re: .242
    
    Please put your JUNK notes in the appropriate JUNK note.  Thank you.

       How many thousands of empty seats in Richfield for the 1st 2 games?
                                  Denny

    
    The attendance at the first two games in Cleveland was greater than
    the attendance will be in Boston for the next two games.
    

    Yeah, that's cause the arena seats about 20,000. The REAL question is
    how many empty seats? If there were 4,000 empty seats each game your
    statement could still be true, but it is misleading.
    
    

    And, it was also a JUNK note since it had no value to add to this
    topic, therefore, in the future, put all JUNK notes in the appripriate
    JUNK note.  Thank you.
    

       The guy on the radio before Sat. game said the only reason there
    were as many people as there were at the 1st game was all the C's fans
    who traveled to Richfield.
                              Denny

    Excuse me if this has already been asked, but...why the three off days
    between Games 2 & 3?
    
    
    py

>    Excuse me if this has already been asked, but...why the three off days
>    between Games 2 & 3?
    

Maybe becuse of da Broons being in the Gahden at the same time?

    NBC is dictating the schedule.  No reason why they couldn't have played
    in Boston tonight cause Da Broons are off tonight.  No reason why they
    couldn't have played Saturday afternoon since Da Broons don't play
    until Saturday night.
    
    John

    The offical NBA reply was that they were so far ahead of every one else
    that it was a question of "wait now or wait later".  So NBA dictated
    the wait now.
    
    Conan
    

    Ain't it obvious?  It's a conspiracy between the Olympic Committee, the
    Celtics, the NBA and NBC to make sure Bird appears in the series.

    
    
    The tentative schedule had game 3 being played tonight.  I'm glad they
    moved it back to Friday though, it'll give Ehlo two more days to get
    ready.
    
    Bottom line - when Bird retires, season tickets will become available
    for the Celtics games just as they were before Bird arrived.  Sellouts
    at the Garden = Bird era.  Despite all of the championships, tickets
    were readily available for game (includes playoffs) pre-Bird...

    What does the Celts tickets & sellouts have to do with this topic?
    
    This also gives Daugherty a chance to rest his ankle.  Look for a
    strong game from him on Friday.

    	The L.A. riots pushed back the Utah/Clippers and
    Lakers/Trailblazers series so the Celtics/Cavs have to wait 'cuz
    TV says so.  I hope what you say is true Paul, 'cuz the last time
    I went to a Celtic game was 1989 (Bird out) and even that was
    obstructed view.
    
    				/Don

>    Bottom line - when Bird retires, season tickets will become available
>    for the Celtics games just as they were before Bird arrived.  Sellouts
>    at the Garden = Bird era.  Despite all of the championships, tickets
>    were readily available for game (includes playoffs) pre-Bird...
    
    This would lead one to believe that Cleveland sold out every game this
    season.  And even if this were true, it would also lead one to believe
    that the Cavs had sellouts before the Price/Daugherty/Williams era.
    
    At least Cleavland fans keep Halpocrisy(tm) in the family.  Or should
    we TM a new one and call it HalPaulcrisy?
    
    	--dan'l

    
    The Cavs do not sell out every game, but they do have had very
    respectable attendance figures since they built the Coliseum (read,
    greater attendance than the Celtics despite all of those sellouts in
    Boston).
    
    As far as attendance at Celtics game pre-Bird... its not myth, its
    fact.  Celtics did not sell out regularly pre-Bird.

>   As far as attendance at Celtics game pre-Bird... its not myth, its
>   fact.  Celtics did not sell out regularly pre-Bird.


  Neither did any of the other teams in the league if I recall. Says alot for
  how great Bird is that not only is Boston selling out regularly but so aren't
  many other teams in the league. Yes, I'd be fool not to include Magic's name
  in here too as responsible for this also. Stern's marketing gets kudos too.

  Given the rise in popularity of basketball when Bird leaves the seats may
  still not be available....

    Portland has sold out everygame in the last? 15 years?
    
    REK
    
    Paul is right, once Bird has retired then tickets will be available....

    
    >>  Paul is right, once Bird has retired then tickets will be
    >>  available....
    
        There's a humongus waiting list for Celtics season tickets.
        While Bird is a huge draw the game itself, as Mike Childs
        stated earlier, has become immensely popular. The legacy of
        the Bird era will probably be similar to that of the '67 Sox
        in that the fan base has been built and a consistent level of 
        good play will keep 'em coming back. As long as the 'Tics can 
        continue to be successful they'll pack 'em in.
        

    I won't count on getting tickets so fast for a C's game. Having worked
    around the corner from the garden for 4 years + the C's are huge.
    
    Bird or no Bird, thier popularity is unreal in Boston. They will
    continue to sell out for years to come. 
    
    
    -TH

    
    It is unfair to compare ticket sales in Boston.. a massive market..
    with ticket sales in Cleveland .. a secondary market.  Add to this the 
    fact that Cleveland plays 45 minutes from downtown..  in a place that 
    makes Foxboro Stadium access look easy.  Once the Cavs get housed in 
    their new Gateway home, I suspect CAVs tickets will be as hard, if not 
    harder to get than Celtics, Bulls or Trailblazer ticks.  
    
    /Jeff 

So the new facility in Cleveland is going to house the Indians and Cavs?  What 
about the Browns?  Where is it going to be?

    
    
    Yes, the new facility is going to have both an outdoor stadium for the 
    Tribe and an indoor facility for the CAVs.. the Browns, having no 
    problem selling out Municipal Stadium, are staying put.  
    
    I believe the CAVs new home will lag the Tribes by about a year.. but I 
    could be wrong - This would put the CAVs back in C-town by '95.  
    
    /Jeff

    Pistons sell out in Auburn Hills as well and drew crowds of 40000+ when
    at the Silverdome before their run at the title.  Back when guys like
    Laimbeer and Edwards were in Cleveland.  
    
    I think you have to add Dr. J. as part of the added success of the
    league as well.  Celts-76ers were as much a part of the rivalry as
    Celts-Lakers for the NBA as a whole.
    

    Browns are also staying put because they own Municipal Stadium.  Why
    give up ownership to become a tenant?
    
    John
    
    PS - The Cavs outdrawing the Celtics has nothing to do with fan support
    and everything to do with facility size.  For a more accurate picture,
    you should take a look at % of tickets sold, with the Celtics being at
    100% and the Cavs somewhat less than that.  

Minnesota set the record for attendance lasted year when they were
playing in the Metrodome. No one can break this record if they stay in
the current arenas.

TTom

Ninj had the best comment so far.

To arrive at any meaningful statistics for attendance, you have to look
at the percentages, at least for comparison.

Boston Garden is one of the smallest venues in the league, if not the
smallest.  I know it's the smallest in the NHL, if I remember correctly.


'Saw

    	Speaking of the small Gahden, when Red still had a position
    he was real tough to convince that a new Gahden would be beneficial.
    He figured a 20K+ stadium would convince some of the season ticket
    holders to drop their season tickets because it could now be possible
    to get single games.  Red liked all that money up front and in the
    bank before the summer was over.  The only team that sold out in
    the early 70's was probably the Knicks and then only when they were
    winning.
    
    				/Don

    
    Well I guess the prayers of Celts and Broons fans is gonna be answered
    today..   Wonder how many seats the new Gahdens gonna have?
    
    /Jeff

    17,200 for hockey.  18,400 for basketball.  19,600 for concerts.  1,300
    underground parking spaces.  Completion scheduled for 1995.  And, I'm
    not holding my breath waiting for it, and won't believe it's actually
    going to exist until it's open.
    
    John

    Where will it be built ? And will the designers go for the new/old look
    (al la The New Cominsky, OP@CY) ?

    This new/old Boston Garden discussion should probably be moved to
    another note so the Cleveland faithful can have their note back, and so
    that those of us who usually next_unseen this note can continue to do so...
    
    Thanks.
    

    
    If attendance figures are going to be looked at seriously the following
    factors should be examined:
    
    1) Location of building.  Is public transportation available?  Is
       parking available?  Is it easy to get to?
    
    2) Size of building.
    
    3) Market size.
    
    I've been to many a so called "SOLD OUT" Celtics game where open seats
    were visible all over the place.

    The Celtics list sellouts by tickets sold and not by turnstile count. 
    I don't know if that's standard practice in the NBA or not.  I know in
    the NFL they break it down by tickets distributed, actual attendance
    and no shows.  I feel if the NBA required teams to list their
    attendances this way, several "sell out" strings (and not just the
    Celtics) would have ended long ago.
    
    I don't understand why this is so important to you, though.  Isn't it
    more important to discuss what's going on out on the court rather than
    have a LDUC about attendance?
    
    John

    
    re: .277 - Why is this important?
    
    See 55.244.  Just elaborating on this note.

       I think a 'sellout' should mean that all tickets are sold. If people
    don't show up to use 'em it's still a sellout. You can't buy a ticket
    for the seat the no-show is in.
                                   Denny

    
    What a game this afternoon.  With the exception of game 1, either team
    could have won any of the other games in the series.
    
    With the series shifting back to Cleveland on Wednesday, the Cavs
    have regained home court advantage.  When is game 6?  (friday?)
    
    Larry Nance was HUGE in game 4.  
    Ehlo is not playing up to par.  I would guess it has something
    to do with being out of condition and not 100% from his late
    season injury.
    Brandon - it would be nice if Brandon were ready to play during
    crunch... I think he's going to be a good one, unfortunately not
    this year.

    lots of way cool info here, could someone help a displaced cav fan and
    possibly report on the games, or at least give the scores!

    	Bird is still a defensive liability and if the Celtics want
    to win this series Ford will have to forget about Larry's feelings
    and only play him when appropriate.
    
    				/Don

    
       Ford did send Larry in for 1 play near the end of the game. Pulled
    him right back out after the Cavs got the ball back though. First time
    I cain remmeber Bird being used as a 'situational' player. Good game
    though, especially Reggie!
                                    Denny

    Boston won 110-107 Friday, Cleveland won 114-112 in OT yesterday.
    
    John

    
    Re: Brandon..  I can't understand why Lenny got away from playing him
    during the playoffs..  he had minutes in every regular season game, but
    since the playoffs started he's been gathering splinters.  He provided 
    a much needed spark yesterday, in helping to build the 12 point buldge.  
    
    Finally the CAVs showed some desire in the 4th quarter..  I really
    thought they were toast after they blew the big lead.  
    
    Anyone read the article in the Sunday T&G lambasting Daugherty? 
    Granted he didn't rebound at all in Friday nights game, but I thought
    the author was way off base in his assertion that Daugherty disappears
    during the playoffs - he has come up big in a number of the games -
    especially in the NJ series.  
    
    /Jeff  

    
    
    Jeff, the T&G is a like a school newspaper... what do you expect.
    The headline on the T&G sports page today was probably - "Lewis
    hammered at buzzer - no call".
    
    

    
    Yeah, I know the T&G is a 2nd class paper, but it's the only one we 
    get home-delived living so far our in the boonies and all.  I was just 
    pretty clue-less as to where this guy was coming from.  He's drawing 
    some pretty strong conclusions from probably the only 3 playoff games 
    he ever saw Daugherty play in.  Daugherty has stepped up pretty big
    this year in the playoffs, not to say it wouldn't be nice to see him 
    step it up one more gear.  
    
    /Jeff

This T&G (tongue & groove?) guy wouldn't perhaps be an Indiana fan, would he?
Might explain his position on Brad.  Or maybe, he just hates his silly 'do... :-)

Hawk

    Bird was obviously rusty and winded.  They should only use him off the
    bench in non-crucial situations until he's in shape.  He actually hurt
    the C's yesterday.  They might have won without him.
    
    Mike

 I don't know Denny, Wednesday isn't a must. I think their experience would
 be enough to get them a win in game 7. Bird hurt them defensively in his first
 appearence but when he came in in the second half they took the lead. He did
 a good job defensively. He helped out and even blocked a shot. Biggest problem
 has been Gamble's disappearence. Also Bagley is kill em'. How many breaks did
 he blow yesterday with dumb ass passes? Plus Price is using him up like a
 worn out violin...

    
    
    I think whoever wins game 6 will win the series.

    I think game 5 is the critical one. Team that wins game 5 will win the
    series. Boston winning game 6 to tie the series just won;t be enough.
    Cleveland finally showed some guts yesterday and I think can win a game
    7 at home.
    
    The Crazy Met
    

I agree with TCM.  These teams are too evenly matched for anyone to win two in a
row at thised point.  The nexted game is critical.

I also agree that at this point Larry is more of a liability than a help.  I 
don't think there is anyone on the Cavs he can stay with.

What happened to Battle yesterday?  Don't remeber seeing him at all.

=Bob=

    	I believe the key to this series is who will win the next two
    games.  That's what I believe.
    
    				/Don

I'm pretty sure whoever scores more points will win game 5.  Same for game 6.

j.

      I think whoever wins the last game will take the series!
          

    re: .299
    
    I was in the presence of genius and didn't even know it, forgive me
    Jeff for taking so long to discover it :-) :-)
    
    The Crazy Met
    

In the spirit of ACC Chris:

	I predict that Cleveland....or Boston will win this series....


How was that BobHunt?  8^)

    
    I predict whoever wins the series will win the series.
    

    
    
    I predict whoever wins the series will go on to the Eastern
    Conference finals....
    

If you look at all the predictions we all have just made, we have to
say that ACC Chris certainly left a lasting legacy.....    

    Mikey C., it's obvious that you got it in for the Bags, but who do you
    feel could do a better job running the team, at this point in time,
    than him?  Dee Brown?  Sherman Douglas?  Neither.  Bagley is the man
    for right now.  The others are still a year or 2 away.  And, I'd much
    rather go for a W now than risk the L for "playoff experience".  Too
    many teams make that mistake, and therefore, no banners to hang...
    
    JMHO,
    Hawk
    

    re: bags...
    
    I never got the opportunity to implement my Bagley fan club idea
    when he was in Cleveland.  I wanted to call its Bag's bags...
    Take those brown grocery bags, draw a caricature of Bagley on it
    and wave it around on a stick at the games... I think it could have
    caught on...              
    
    
    

 Hawk, you got to stop going to school, you're getting logically scary.. ;^)
 The only benefit of using Bagley is he's the only one who's able to run a
 fastbreak. Douglas has done well lately now that he realizes if he shoots too 
 much he's going to ride pine. If only he could run a fastbreak effectively.
 Brown should be a shooting guard not a point. 

  mike

Brown is a better defensive player, he may be able to slow down Price a little.


			Bob Cohen

    The local Cleveland fans got on the Worcester T&G about the article on
    Doughtery.  Apparently they didn't see the other side of the page where
    Tim Murphy heaped a lot of praise and respect on the Cavaliers.

    	Brown's the better defensive player, Bagley's the better offensive
    player/point guard (for now).  If this were football you could
    substitute, but it ain't.  If Cleveland exploits their frontcourt
    matchups the Celtics who are tall enough to guard Cleveland's big
    three ain't quick enough, and the guys who are quick enough ain't
    tall enough.
    
    				/Don

    >The local Cleveland fans got on the Worcester T&G about the article on
    >Doughtery.  Apparently they didn't see the other side of the page where
    >Tim Murphy heaped a lot of praise and respect on the Cavaliers.
    
    Mac, I don't think the reaction of the Cleveland fans was simply because  
    it was a negative article.. more the fact that the article was
    glaringly inacurate.   If you're gonna fry a guy in a public forum, you 
    better at least have the facts to back it up.  The article - which
    was based soley on Brad's performance in a single game - attacked his 
    entire career playoff record.  
    
    /Jeff

    I think it was based on more than one game, Jeff.
    
    The point still is, the entire paper was trashed over a column written
    by one person.  If you don't like John Gearan, then say so -- or better
    yet, say why you disagree with him.  It's like all those New Yawkers
    who whine about the Globe because they don't like the treatment the
    Yankees get by one of the baseball writers.
    

    
    Mac, the article might have been based on more than a single game, 
    however, the jist of Gearan's dump on Brad was that his lack of 
    rebounding in game 3 cost the CAVs the game.  What Gearan failed to 
    mention is that the CAVs are not known as a rebounding power, 
    yet they managed to handily out rebound the Nets in the 1st series.  The 
    Nets, by the way can be considered a rebounding power.   
    
    Daugherty carried the team in game 1 of the Nets series and was an 
    impact player in all but game 3 of this series - points Gearan
    conviniently overlooked.  
    
    As far as the Cleveland fans trashing the T&G over the article, I
    didn't even see their rebutals..  but I believe that in general, 
    Clevelander's are tired of defending themselves, their town, and their 
    teams from endless attacks in the media.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    re: .314
    
    
    Jeff, the best part about it is that the people doing the trashing
    have never actually been there... or they'll say, "yeah I was there
    for 3 days, so I can make a clear judgement of the area..." 
    
    ...sure... I was in Roxbury for 3 days, so Boston must be a dump!

    Ive been to Cleveland Once, awsone city....NOT, Boston may have its
    bad parts but I spent 2 months in town during DecWorld 90 and 4 days
    there this year and its a Great City if you know where to go and not
    to go....
    								MaB

When I was in Cleveland I saw some AWESOME babes.  I mean TRULY and
TOTALLY awesome.....


'Saw

    I've been to Cleveland enough to have first-hand knowledge that it is
    the dump people say it is.  However, to Cleveland's credit, the civic
    leaders are trying like hell to clean itself up and get a new image. 
    Cities like Atlanta, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, Fayetteville, etc. prove
    it can be done. 
    
    	--dan'l

       Yeah but they obviously weren't Cavs cheeleaders Saw!
                                   Denny

    
    re: .316
    
    I have lived in both.  So has Jeff Hausrath.

    I don't think it is appropriate to go down this city rathole in this
    conference.  There's some good basketball being played.  Let's stick to
    that.

    
    Go Richfield Cavs... what a team!
    

    Game 5 tonight... look for the Cavs to win...

>    Game 5 tonight... look for the Cavs to win...

So Bird is going to play again.

TTom

    
    ok, look for a big cavaliers win tonight
    
    

As much as I believe that Bird is a liability to the team right now and would
much rather see him sit-out entirely, I have this feeling that he'll come up
big in 1 of the next 2 games....

Hawk

    
    Celtics by 22...

    Enough?
    

    gimme da score...please,please,please...gimme da score

    I think it was 114-98 Cavs........

    Celts sipped big-time!! Cavs ran over, under, and around em all night!!
                                             Denny

 not a pretty sight..ugh I see what you guys mean about the Cavs cheerleaders.
 the one I saw a closeup of had love handles....

 I think the Celts just want to add another chapter the history books. No team
 with the homecourt advantage that has won a game 5 has lost a series. 22-0 is
 the record. I believe this is since 1980 or so when they extended the playoffs.

 and no Hubie I don't have to love Elho....

 ;^)

    
    
    Jeff, did the T&G lambaste Robert for his putrid performance last
    night in the pivot?

    
    No, I don't think so Paul.. but that author has got to feel pretty darn 
    stupid right about now.  Daugherty was IMMENSE last night with
    something like 11 boards and 4 blocks.  
    
    /Jeff

    Well, Jeff, like you said, you cain't get all hopped up over 1 game ~/~

    
    Now Mac, don't twist it all around on me..  Daugherty has had a good to 
    great series against the Celts.. wouldn't you agree?  
    
    /Jeff

    I'll give you games 1 and 5, Jeff.  I'm not sure about the whole
    series, though (see game 3).

    No Paul, I didn't forget it.  Just don't see the point in predicting
    50 point wins when the focus was supposed to be the reality of the
    series...
    
    Celts look like a beaten team, plain and simple...
    

    
    I was not making a predicition... I was jinxing the Celts... It
    worked!!!!!!!!
    
    GO BULLS - what a team!
    

    Go KNICKS, Knock out the bulls GO Cavs go all the way (maybe this
    jinx crap works)... :-)
    
    						M.Thugloving.B

    Hey Mike Childs, love that defensive display last night!

    re jinx stuff
    
    Dinsmore will be screaming for royalities ...

>    Dinsmore will be screaming for royalities ...


Yes.  After the Whalers ignominius exit, and the Rangers failure, po' dInz
has nothing to live for SPORTS-wise......


'Saw

 yup Good Afternoon to you too Mike Heiser....

 ;^(

 

    go giants!
    

       As dINz once again proved, and as Slasher said, jinxes don't mean
    nothing unless you MEAN them!!
                                       Denny

    getting back to roundball...
    now the cavs are up 3 games to 2 so...
    when and where is the next game?
    how does the chic. series stand at this point?
    
    my radio went on the 'fritz' and I'm 'jonesin' for b-ball info!
    
    (John H. are you out there?)
    
    michael

    	The Celtic/Cavalier 6th game is tonight at the Garden.
    Knicks/Chicago is tied up 3-3 with the 7th game on Sunday.
    
    				/Don

    Portland and Utah both won their series last night.  Don't know the
    schedule for Portland vs Utah.
    
    John

 I believe Utah/Portland starts saturday. If it doesn't NBC is left without a
 game saturday. Bulls/Knicks go sunday and the Celtics/Cavs game 7 is sunday.

 mike

    
    
    Mike... your last message is misleading...
    
    The Celtics/Cavs game 7 is sunday (IF NECESSARY!)
    
    

 mis-leading to some Paul, to others like yourself a Nightmare!!!!!

 ;^)

    
    A nightmare... Boston will not win a game 7 in Cleveland this year...
    the only game 7 the cavs will be playing will be in the finals.
    

    I wouldn't go that far ... but I don't see Bashtin taking a Game 7 on
    the road.
    
    (Of course, in the interest of jinxing Boston, I will of course pick
    Boston to beat Cleveland in Game 7.)

    
    The Ultimate JINX:
    
    Cavs decide to go to Club Maximus in Framingham and forfeit game to
    Celtics!

    Uh-huh...
    
    Cavs wrap it up tonight.  Big game from Price.

    Celtics win 122-91, 7th game Sunday

    AS someone said after game 1 blowouts don't mean a whole lot. Sunday
    will be hoops heven. 2 game 7.
    
    Mets in '92
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    re: .364
    
    
    Thanks Walt, had I known you were going to try to jinx the Cavs (I
    guess you are a big Celtics fan), I would have logged in right before
    the game to enter the Celtics jinx.
    
    Celtics win series.  Bird and Lewis each chip in 34 in Celtics 155-21
    win in Cleveland.
    
    Jordan scores 107 in Bulls 108-12 win in Chicago.
    
    Eastern Finals... Bulls v.s. Celtics.

    Cleveland wins game 7, something like 122-104.  Congrats to all Cavs
    fans.  You support a classy team and I hope you go all the way.
    
    (this was not meant to be a jinx)
    
    John

    
    NEXT...
    

 Well atleast they got there but I guess the nightmare is all mine....Hawk,
 now do you see what I mean about Bagley? They finally pull the stinkin lead
 down to 10 and he turns it over 4 of the next 5 trips. Just as the His
 Reginess ("DON"T TELL ME THIS MAN"S NOT AN ALLSTAR"!-jm) was finding the 
 range. The old line just expected it to happen because of who they are/were
 instead of getting the job done. Congrats to Cavs, Jeff I owe you a brew.    

 worst part is the sour grapes this year revolve around the LEGEND...
 
;^(

    
    
    Well, well, well..  I must admit I was a little worried after Friday 
    nights no-show by the CAVs, but the way they came out running and
    gunning in the first quarter had me pretty confident, pretty quickly.  
    I wouldn't put any blam(tm) for yesterday's loss on  Bird.. none of the
    Celts front court players looked particularly good except for a short
    spurt where McHale heated up in the 2nd quarter.  
    
    As I expected it was an excellent series, which really was lost by the 
    Celts in game 4.   Onward and upward..  hopefully all the way to the 
    Championship series.  Chicago looks beatable and the CAVs appear to be 
    peaking.  
    
    /Jeff
    
    

Missed the game, Markie- way too nice out.  Hear ya about Bagley though.  Hey,
the Celts still had to go with him.

Wished I could've seen the ending, smirks on the Cavs faces, fans going nuts,
etc.  I need to hate them more.  BTW, did they do that na na na na, hey hey hey,
goodbye chant like they did in Chicago?  I must know (I hope they did)...

There's only one Cleveland fan in here that deserves a sincere congrats.  Mikey,
but him a beer for me too!

Hawk

Ooops, meant to say Mikey, not Markie.  Sorry!  Oh well, good time to blow this
note off anyway...

    
    Go Bulls...  Jordan scores 87 in Bulls 144-12 win over Cleveland
    on 5/19.

    
    	yea, the fans did sing......
    
    
    
    		NA, NA, NA, NA......NA, NA, NA, NA.....HEY, HEY, HEY.....
    
    
    				GOODBYE CELTICS!
    
             o
    	GO CAVs!!!

    
    Mike and Hawk, thanks...   
    
    
    
    Burp..

    Here's one happy Cavs fan in Deutschland!
    
    Could someone supply me with the schedule for the series?

    
    First four go like this (from memory):
    
    Tonight @ Chicago    8:00
    Thursday @ Chicago   9:00 
    Saturday @ Cleveland Afternoon (3:30?)
    Monday @ Cleveland   Afternoon (3:30?)
    
    /Jeff

    Congrats, Cavs. Purdy darned good team.
    
    Back a bunch...........Worcester dumping on Cleveland.. Har Har -
    that's rich.
    
    Rich
     

    I thought you were Rich...
    

I wanna be Rich.  Doesn't everyone?

    We're all enRICHed.
    
    RB
    

     The Cav's are gonna go down hard and fast against the Bull's...
    count on it !!   HHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
    
    

    
    Well the CAVs played a lousy game last night... outside of Daugherty, 
    Price and Nance noone played well at all..  Extremely soft defense, 
    lousy outside shooting, total lack of offensive rebounding, the list 
    goes on...
    
    As bad as they played, though, they only lost by 14, which is a good
    sign.  However, I refuse to take any comfort in the margin of the loss.
    
    They obviously must step up their game a whole bunch to beat Chicago in 
    this series, and I only hope a more inspired bunch of CAVs show up for 
    game 2.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    Cavs played poorly.  I don't think we'll see the same in game 2.
    Wilkens will have the team better prepared. 

Where was Eloh lasted night?

    
    
    I don't know, where was Eloh?

    When will the Cavs try someone else besides Eloh(tm) - Elho on Jordan ?
    
    Stat from lasted night : Jordan has SIX games of 50+ points against the
    Cavs, including a 69 point game - in the playoffs.
    
    He has never scored under 30 in a playoff game vs Cleveland.
    
    Time to try Nance or Sanders on him ...

    
     Apparently the Cavs didn't have anyone scouting the Knicks_bulls
    series because they didn't do any of the things that enabled the
    Knicks to push Chicago to seven games. Cleveland was weak on the 
    offensive board, they let Pippen go to the hoop with impunity and
    were just plain soft all-around. If they play the rest of the series
    like last night it'll be a short one. It'll be interesting to see
    what adjustments if any that Lenny makes.

    It is also a question of personnel, and how they played all year. For
    Cleveland to play like the Knicks did would mean a radical change from
    what they did all year. The playoffs is a tough place to experiment.
    
    Go Bruins (at least in this round)
    The Crazy Met
    

    
    Cleveland does not have the quantity of large rebounding front court
    players that New York has.  Cleveland has never been a good rebounding
    team.  New York's strengths were aligned with Chicago's weaknesses.
    Unfortunately, this is not the case for Cleveland.  Cleveland will have
    to play outstanding basketball each time out to win.
    
    Chicago is the better team.  They won 10 more games during the regular
    season, which is significant.  They are the defending champions.
    Should they get past Chicago, it will be an upset.  
    
    That is not to say I won't be rooting for them and hoping they can
    do it.  They can do it...
    
    GO CAVS.

    I know the results speak for themselves, but on paper, I can't see
    Cartwright, Grant, and Pippen being a better frontcourt than Daugherty,
    Nance, and Hot Rod.
    
    There's a lot of scoring, defense (especially shot blocking), and
    rebounds in that trio.
    
    Mike

Hot Rod doesn't start; Mike Sanders does, and he's not a rebounder.

    I'm surprised Sanders starts.  He's CBA material to me.

    re: .394
    
    On the other hand those early outside jumpers he hit in game 7 against
    the Celtics completely sealed the Celtics fate. He also helped the Cavs
    dominate in game 5 of the series.
    
    Go Bruins (at least in this round)
    The Crazy Met
    

    Its was a 14pt contest, but the last 4 chicago pts were uncontested..
    So go with 10, how many free throws did Cleveland miss.. I think 8
    but Im not totaly sure it may have been 7.  THE BULLS WERE 19 for 19
    from the Gimme strip after throwing up under 70% against the Knicks.
    
    What a game, pippen was 1A away from a Trip/Doub, I wonder if jordan
    will be hot in game 2... Tonight will be another good showing...
    
    								M.Air.B

    Hey Groaner...  How ya doing bud...  I still got the Dollar you
    sent me a hangin on my office wall..   ~/~  ;^)
    
    BG

    Sanders is a pefect small forward for Cleve. He is a quick leaper and
    good def. player. Nance and Willaims can't guard small forwards
    with-out getting into foul trouble... Sanders is a smart player and
    knows what he role is and he plays it well...
    
    REK

    yes yes yes oh yeah!
    Cavs take one in Chicago!
    107-81?
    Now it goes to the house that Nick built!
    Hope the memorial weekend is one to remember for you cavs fans!
    And what's good 'ole Stepien doing these days, that his attempt
    to destroy Cleveland's pro club didn't have lasting effects?
    Hope it worked for his agency, though!
    
    michael

    
    	Do you know what happens to a marshmellow when it chatches fire?
    
    	You have a performance like the one yesterday night.  

    Cartwright may not be much but if he sits out x games it will be
    x losses. Pippen has proven again that he is not the goto guy when
    Michael cant do it, last night without Cartwright and jordan at 25%
    pippen needed to step in and take over... NOT.. See the NBA entry in
    this note to see what I think they should do with pippen...
    								M.Airless.B
    

    
    I've been oot(tm) (out of town).
    
    Sanders knew the Cavs system, so when Ehlo went down, he was signed.
    He is not CBA material.  Look at what he did to the Celtics in game
    7.  Sometimes is how the player is used that makes him effective.
    Golden State almost gave up on Mullins before they changed coaches,
    now look at him.
    

    
    Air deflated again.  The Cavs even the series at 2-2.  Game 5
    is the critical game. 
    
    Cleveland is either 2-2 or 2-3 v.s. the Bulls in Chicago this year,
    so they certainly have the talent to win another game in Chicago.
    
    Go Bulls, what a team.  Stomp Cavs in game 5!

    could someone post the schedule for the remaining games?
    
    how's it look in the other series?
    
    michael

    
    Other series is tied 2-2 (utah v.s. Portland).
    
    I think the next game in the Cleveland series is Wednesday, but
    i don't have the paper in front of me.
    

    Both series are 2-2.  Remaining games are as follows:
    
    Tues May 26	Utah at Portland
    Wed  May 27	Cleveland at Chicago
    Thu  May 28	Portland at Utah
    Fri  May 29 Chicago at Cleveland
    (if necessary)
    Sat  May 30 or Sun May 31	Utah at Portland
    Sun  May 31	Cleveland at Chicago
    
    John

    
    Well one thing about the CAVs in this years playoffs is that they're up 
    and down like you read about.  Really an inspired game yesterday by
    the whole CAVs team.. although I wish Ferry's punch would have
    connected.. ;-)  Good thing Ehlo held back Jordan in the mini-mayley(sp?) 
    or Air-Brooks would have had an excuse for his team loosing this one.  
    
    When the CAVs are on, I don't think the Bulls can handle them, just too 
    many weapons to defend against.  I just hope they come out real strong on 
    Wednesday and take it too the Bulls like in game 2.  
    
    /Jeff

    Why were the Cleveland fans booing Jordan everytime he touched the
    ball?  I didn't tune in until late in the 4th quarter.
    
    Cav's fans must think they have this one sewn up.  They were singing
    the Hey-Hey-Goodbye song as their team evened the series.

    
  >> Why were the Cleveland fans booing Jordan everytime he touched the
  >> ball?  I didn't tune in until late in the 4th quarter.
    
     Because he got into it with Danny Ferry. Ferry, who incidentally was
     playing quite well, was ejected for throwing punches.
    
  >> Cav's fans must think they have this one sewn up.  They were singing
  >> the Hey-Hey-Goodbye song as their team evened the series.
    
      I can understand Cav's fans enthusiasm but someone ought to tell them 
      that they sound stupid and classless and that if and when they get
      eliminated from this year's playoffs, they  probably won't enjoy having 
      Chicago's or Portland's or Utah's fans singing them a few choruses of it.

       Ferry threw punches, Jordan didn't, Ferry got tossed. Fans didn't
    understand.
                                Denny

    Jordan did use a forearm to the throat or head in setting a screen.
    Didn't didn't get thrown out.  (Didn't deserve to, but maybe deserved
    a 'T'.)  
    
    Didn't see a replay of the foul, but did anyone else catch a foul
    called on Jordan down the stretch before they went to a commercial?
    When they came back, the said they changed the call to Hodges, but
    they didn't show the foul.  Jordan had 3 at the time.  Made me a LITTLE
    suspicious...
    

    
    
    Jordan also hammered Ehlo on the next possesion but nothing was
    called.  Jordan gets away with murder... he is one of the PROTECTED
    stars.  But so what, its expected.
    
    Cleveland can win, but they have to play solid ball.
    
    I am amazed with the interior passing every time I see the Cavs play.
    I have never seen a trio in the front court pass like Nance, Williams
    and Daugherty.

 Walton, Bird and anybody could match the Cavs trio. Anybody but Mchale that
 is..  ;^)

 Hey protecting Jordan with the fouls is one thing but man does he ever have
 a clean dribble? The carrying he's allowed to get away with distracts alot
 from his overwhelming talent....

 How about Daugherty backing off Pippen and basically giving him the hole and
 still getting called? Think Ewing would have backed off like that?

    
    
    Comment from Jordan in the paper after game 3 regarding him defending
    price instead of Paxson.
    
    The refs were calling a lot of hand check fouls on Paxson and Armstrong
    when they were guarding Price.  When I switched to guarding Price
    the refs didn't call as many handcheck fouls.  
    
    \pjb
    
    I still hope the Cavs win.

Pippen has not been playing well under pressure (New York's or Clevelands)

	Bob Cohen

    
    Chicago still relies on Jordan down the stretch.  Pippen is not the
    go to guy down the stretch.  Pippen only seems to shine when the
    Bulls are up by 10 points.  He is more relaxed on his shot.  Case
    in point game 3.
    
    \pjb

    Maybe Pippen will get bumped from the Olympic team ?

    
    
    Bump Pippen and add Daugherty or Price or Nance!

 cmon now Paul those guys wouldn't sell half the shirts ole All-GarbageTime
 Scotty will....

    
    RE: Fans booing Jordan..   
    
    I believe this boils down to the last time these teams meet in the
    playoffs (89?).. Jordan drove inside was hacked (non-flaggarently - 
    proven by replay) by Ehlo and stayed down for a few minutes with a twisted 
    ankle.  The game was in Chicago and the fans didn't let Craig forget
    the foul as they booed every time he touched the ball from that point
    on.  Jordan proceeded to pick himself up and single-handedly beat the 
    CAVs.   I suspect the Cleveland fans haven't forgotten this incident (I
    haven't)  and thought they'd return the favor to his "Highness".   
    
    Gotta agree with Mike on Jordan travelling..  In one of the two games
    he moved both feet after taking the pass before putting the ball on the 
    floor..  he also tends to palm the ball a lot.   
    
    CAVs are even in this series DESPITE the refs, though.  
    
    /Jeff   

    Pippen won't have to worry in the Olympics.  None of the games will be
    that close.

    Add Rodman to replace Pippen... can't hurt to have a defensive pro in
    there...
    
    When Ehlo and Jordan bumped heads, wasn't that caused by a Cartwright
    forearm to Ehlo's head?
    

    
    Come on, Jordan intentionally smashed his head into Ehlo's...
    nothing... no foul called.
    
    Seriously, I don't think Cartwright fouled or elbowed Ehlo.  It
    was a pick and Ehlo just snapped back.

Big Bill was leading with his forearms/elbows, smacked Ehlo in the head,
driving him back into Jordan. It was hard to tell who got it worse, but
it wasn't poor Bill.

Also, I can see now why Danny Ferry is paid so much: come in, start a
fight and flinch like a sissy when Jordan retaliates. I thought it took a
lot of composure on Jordan's part not to hit Ferry.

TTom

    If Robinson's thumb doesn't come around, you might see Daughtery
    replace him ...

    >>    Come on, Jordan intentionally smashed his head into Ehlo's..
    
    I have a hard time with this statement. Michael Jordan, maker of
    millions, darling of the media, future assured through endorsements,
    reasonably smart guy.......INTENTIONALLY making a decision to lower his
    head and butt another guy? I really don't think so.
    
    On another matter....I was amazed at how Ehlo drove successfully on
    Jordan yesterday. I know Ehlo burned the Celtics (Bagley, especially)
    but I didn't think he could take such liberties so often with Jordan.
    I've always felt that Jordan was a better than average defensive player
    and never considered Ehlo that much of a 1-on-1 guy. Either Jordan was
    doggin it, isn't as gopod as I thought, or Ehlo is vastly underated as
    an offensive threat.
    
    Rich
    

    I think Groaner was attempting to make a joke..
    

    Marv Albert's line about "What a surprise!  Cartwright is involved in
    an injury" was priceless.
    
    Mike

    
    Obviously it was a joke... my next sentance started out with the word
    seriously.
    
    Ehlo is highly under-rated.  Cleveland said they had more trade
    requests for Ehlo during the off-season than any other player.
    
    RE: Olympics.  I'm not so sure that Daugherty shouldn't be one
    of the centers in the olympics regardless of Robinson's health.
    I think Daugherty is equal to Ewing and possibly Robinson.  He
    might not be as dominant a shot-blocker, but he can rebound as
    well as Ewing, score as well as either, and pass better than 
    both... plus he makes the players around him better.
    
    

    FWIW, Robinson is more dominating, but that could be a function of each
    man's role in their respective offenses .... 

I think we all oughta remember the less than Olympic effort that the
Admiral made lasted time around. Based on 88, anyone besides Robinson or
Danny Manning would be an improvement.

TTom

    
    I wasn't going to say it... but that's how I feel.  Give Daugherty a
    chance.  Robinson did not bring back the gold last time.

 I thought it was Thompson's fault?  

    
    Well the CAVs ran out of gas last night and got SMOKED in the 4th
    quarter..  Don't remember the final but the spread was something like 
    22 points.  I'm not gonna make excusses for this one..  the CAVs were 
    in it when it counted, going into the 4th quarter, and just couldn't 
    get the job done.  Give credit to the Bulls defense down the stretch, 
    they defenitely trapped well, and really got after the ball.   
    
    I just hope Daugherty's finger and Price's ankle heal well enough by 
    Friday to get the job done at home.  I'd be nice to see the CAVs have 
    one more chance in a game 7.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    
    Cavs got spanked big time last night.
    
    Where are all the people who were judging the Cavs fans?  Bulls
    fans were just as bad last night if not worse - cheering for King
    when he intentionally fouled Ferry in a flagrant manner.
    
    Game 5 is usually the key.  I think its going to be a MAJOR uphill
    battle to come away with a series win.

    	You never heard me judge any fans Paul.  I think it's great
    when fans cheer violence.  Personally I think the league should
    have King and Ferry in a Texas Death Match as a prelude to game
    6.
    
    				/Don

    re:  Bulls fans being classless last night
    
    Like Tommy so eloquently said the other day, the Cleveland fans set
    themselves up with that na na na .... hey hey hey goodbye chant for a
    good dose of Bulls fans' getting back at 'em.  Payback's a bitch, as
    the well-known saying goes...
    
    Hawk
    

    
    
    re: .440
    
    
    I could care less how the fans act.  I am responsible for myself, I
    am not responsible for other Cavs fans.  My point was, people pointed
    out what they thought to be poor sportsmanship from the fans in
    Cleveland, I was just waiting for them to comment on the Bulls fans
    last night.
    
    The chants are fine with me...  supporting violence is another thing.

    {cross-posted from CELTICS}
    
    1) 10/3/77 - Cavs trade their first round picks in 1981 (Al Wood - #6)
    and 1983 (Rodney McCray - #3) for Terry Furlow, a marginal swingman who
    died in a car crash after two unproductive years, right after they
    traded him for Atlanta's first round pick in 1983, Derek Harper.
    But Harper never plays for the Cavs - see trade #3
    
    2) 2/15/80 - Cavs trade Butch Lee and their #1 pick in 1982 (James
    Worthy!!!) to LA for LA's #1 pick in 1980 (Chad Kinch!!!!!) and Don
    Ford.  Worthy was the #1 pick in the country; Kinch was 22nd!
    
    3) 10/30/80 - Cavs trade Atlanta's #1 pick in 1983 (Harper), their
    own #1 pick in 1986 (Roy Tarpley!!!) and Bill Robenzine to Dallas for,
    get this, Jerome WHitehead and Richard Washington!!!!!  Whitehead
    played only 3 games for Cleveland before they cut him; Washington
    play two decidedly unspectacular seasons in Cleveland.
    
    4) 2/7/81 - Cavs trade #1 pick in 1985 (Detlef Schrempf!!!) and Chad
    Kinch for Geoff Huston and a third round pick.
    
    5) 9/16/81 - Cavs trade #1 pick in 1986 (Sam Perkins!!!) for Mike
    Bratz!
                                                   
    6) 6/18/85 - Cavs trade their #1 pick on draft day (9th overall)
    Charles Oakley and their #2 pick Calvin Duncan for Bulls #1 pick
    (11th overall) Keith Lee and Ennis Whatley.
    
    7) 2/25/88 - Cavs trade 1988 #1 choice (14th overall - Dan Majerle!),
    two second round choices, Kevin Johnson, Mark West, and Tyrone Corbin
    to Phoenix for Larry Nance, Reggie WIlliams and Detroit's #1 pick 
    (25th overall - Randolph Keys).
    
    8) 11/16/89 - Cavs trade Ron Harper, their 1990 #1 pick (13th overall 
    - Loy Vaught), their #1 pick in 1992 and their #2 pick in 1991 for Danny
    Ferry and Reggie Williams.
    
    In sum, the Cavs could have added the following players to their
    current roster:  Derek Harper, James Worthy, Detlef Schrempf, Roy
    tarpley, Sam Perkins, Charles Oakley, Dan Majerle, Kevin Johnson,
    Mark West, Ty Corbin, Ron Harper, and Loy Vaught, and only lost
    Larry Nance and Danny Ferry off their current roster!!!  That's an
    entire team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Never mind their current roster - just
    use those players and they'd win the NBA title!!!!!
    
    Here's the  Cavs would-have-been team:
    
    Point guards - Derek Harper, Kevin Johnson
    Shooting guards - Ron Harper, Dan Majerle
    Small Forwards - James Worthy, Detlef Schrempf, Ty Corbin
    Power forwards - Sam Perkins, Charles Oakley, Loy Vaught
    Centers - Roy Tarpley, Mark West, Chris Dudley
    
    Even given that you dump tarpley because of his drug troubles, you
    could win multiple NBA titles with that team!!!!  The only problem
    would be giving everyone enough playing time.  

    
     Those were some piss-poor personnel moves but it's a bit of stretch
    to say that the Cavs missed out on any titles. They, no doubt, have 
    cost themselves some trips deep into the playoffs though. However,if 
    I were a Cavs fans I'd be happy with the team they have right now. There's
    really not nuch point dwelling on past mistakes except as an example of
    of what no to do and note .442 is one hell of an example of what not
    to do.

    Looks like this one is gonna be over in 6...  Da Bulls were playing
    with the same fire they had last year in Q4 of lasted nights game.
    Gonna be real tough for the Cavs to pull this one out of the fire.
    Oh well,  like cleveland fans always say...  Wait till nexted(tm)
    year   ;^)
    
    Big Game

    
    
    Just think Mike, all of that and Cleveland is still in the NBA playoffs
    and Boston and Phoenix are watching tv.
    
    BTW, had the cavs kept some of those players, they never would have
    gotten most of the other ones (better players = better record = worse
    draft pick position).

The 4th quarter of game 5 had the Bulls playing up to their potential.  Of course
it helped that Daugherty and Price were hurt.  Now the Bulls  just have to show some  
consistancy.   I think Cleveland will win tonight in a big emotional game but 
lose the 7th.  Chicago seems to playing well enough to win, so they will pull this
one out as well..

Portland/Chicago should be interesting....  (Portland/Cleveland would not be too
shabby either)

		Bob 

>    Just think Mike, all of that and Cleveland is still in the NBA playoffs
>    and Boston and Phoenix are watching tv.
    
    yeah and a depleted old timers team took them to 7 games.  Cleveland
    would be at home if Boston didn't hand them game 4.

    
    
    re: .447
    
    If... if... if...
    
    Gee, if Cleveland had Michael Jordan, they'd be a better team.
    
    Gee, if Phoenix had a better team, they'd have made it further
    in the playoffs.
    
    Gee, if Boston had such an old team (and I assume you mean old =
    weak) why did they have roughly the same number of wins as Phoenix.
    
    Gee, if Cleveland would have won the two of the three games they
    have lost in this series they would be in the finals.
    
    Gee, if... AND SO ON! 
    
    If... if... if... 

    Sort of like they'd have a better chance to win tonight if their
    two best players were healthy?  Too bad, but that's the way it looks
    right now... 

>    Gee, if Cleveland had Michael Jordan, they'd be a better team.
    
    No they would be a 1 man team.
    
>    Gee, if Phoenix had a better team, they'd have made it further
>    in the playoffs.
    
    Maybe.
    
>    Gee, if Boston had such an old team (and I assume you mean old =
>    weak) why did they have roughly the same number of wins as Phoenix.
    
    Because they're in the Leastern conference(tm).
    
    Mike

    
    re: .451
    
    Do you have the final East v.s. West record for the 1991-1992 season?
    
    re: Walt
    
    Sure, the Bulls are favored and Price and Daugherty are not 100%,
    but its not over until its over.  I still think Cleveland will win
    tonight, and anything can happen in a 7th game.

    Wher is everybody, I waiting.. Bad refs, bad calls, no calls, hurt
    Where are the Excuses.......(Hopefully this will hamper them :-)
    
    The Best team won, theyve lost 5 games so far in this title run thats
    about 4 too many.  They should fair well in the finals, bulls will
    split the first 2 in chicago then take 1 in portland and come home
    down 3-2... then.....
    							M.A.B

    
    
    Cavs going (went) down!
    
    f(AIR) Brooks...  yo, you were the one complaining about the refs
    when the Bulls lost a game here or there... not me.  The better team
    won, plain and simple.
    
    I love the Bulls.  They are my favorite team.  Always have been.
    GO BULLS...
    
    
    				NOT!!!!!!!!!!!

    I guess the cavs fell the bulls did 3-5 years ago.  Detroit use to
    have the bulls numbers, now Chicago has Clevelands numbers.  Dont
    worry 2 or 3 years from now maybe it will all turn around.
    
    Just think if the bulls can get a decent draft they could actually
    be better next year.....:-) (The lakers of the 90's.. Maybe)
    
    								M.air.B

    
    Once the CAVs lost game 5 the writting was pretty much on the wall,
    however, I would have still liked to see them take it the distance.  
    
    Wait'll nexted year.
    
    /Jeff

      Another Clevland team that didn't make it to the "dance".  They had a
    great year though!
    
      If the Bulls had a good center or a real point guard,  then they
    would be better.  Cartwright and Paxon are the weak links IMO.  Could
    you imagine Motumbo on this Bulls team?
    
      Tim

    
    The Bulls will be good as long as Jordan remains a dominant force
    and healthy.

    Good or Great... I agree with -2 if the bulls can get a good/great
    center to replace cartwright LOOK OUT.  Paxson is just old hes not
    a bad PG and BJ is coming along... A Great PointGuard would make
    any team better, there's only a handfull of pointguards that can
    be considered Great.  The bulls need something in the Draft this
    year I think they have 5 picks in all, all in the 2nd round, except
    for there first pick, which is last in the first round....
    
    I didnt forget who was favored, but you have to admit the Bulls have 
    not been the same since the layover after whipping Miami....
    								MaB

>>    I didnt forget who was favored, but you have to admit the Bulls have 
>>    not been the same since the layover after whipping Miami....

	maybe the Bulls haven't been the same since Miami pushed them to
	the limit in Game 3?

	:^}
	Kath

    Hey Kath, thanks for the Gifts, Ill have to return the favor....
    Something's on the way...
    						M.Air.B

    Da Cav's raised their ticket prices yesterday...
    

    Walt, it was a necessary move.  Beauty school for the cheerleaders
    ain't cheap anymore...
    
    HTH.  :-)
    
    Hawk
    

>CAMONE::WAY "You think slower when you graze"        12 lines  30-JUN-1992 10:06

'Saw, are you saying that the Cavs' cheerleaders are dumb too?!
    
    Somebody should tell them that you can't graze on wood at halftime.

>'Saw, are you saying that the Cavs' cheerleaders are dumb too?!
>    
>    Somebody should tell them that you can't graze on wood at halftime.

See last night's episode of "Northern Exposure".   Greatest line I've
heard in ages.

Basically Chris is talking about a lost year during his midlife crisis.
(He and Holling are getting drunk as Holling is going through his crisis)
and Chris says the one thing he remembers is 3 months naked in a cave
in Mexico.  He said there were these neat hot springs right outside the
cave with watercress growing there.

He said he's just get down on all fours and kind of "graze".

Holling replies "You think slower whne you graze".....


CLASSIC!!!!!


'Saw

    
    Cavs sign Gerald Wilkens..
    
    Parade in June!   
    
    /Jeff

    
    
    Gerald should help the Cavs.  The Cavs should still be #2 in the East
    behind Chicago, but the Knicks are moving up in a hurry.  Detroit is
    fading...

    	Wilkins is an all or nothing player.  He'll average 12 points
    a game but do it by scoring 24 in one game and 0 in the next.  It'll
    take about 30 games to determine if all the Knicks trades paid off.
    
    				/Don

    
    	Watched the first two games of the season....
    
    	Game 1:  Loss, Ehlo makes big mistake with less than 30 sec left.
    		he reaches around Jordan and fouls.  If he hadn't of done
    		that, the Cavs would have gotten the ball back with about
    		16 seconds left in the game and only down by 1 point.  But
    		oh noooooooo, with the foul, the Bulls were able to run the
    		clock out not having to take a shot.  Another foul and the
    		Bulls making both foul shots put them up by 3 with less
    		than 5 seconds left.  A wild 3 point attempt by Price then
    		another foul and the game is over.  The Cavs shot poorly
    		adding to the problem....39% from the field.  Blame
    		Ehlo for this loss.
    
    	Game 2:  Cavs did everything right in this game.  They couldn't be
    		stopped.  Papers want to say Ehlo won this game for the
    		Cavs scoring 29 points and 11 rebounds.
    
    		I still don't like Ehlo, he blows it in the big games.  I
    		felt 3 years ago they should let him go.  I still feel that
    		way.  
    
    		All in all, the Cavs look good!
    
    
    
    
                        o
    		GO  C A V S !

    
    	Game 3 : The Cavs looked great yesterday with 9 players in double
    		figures.  Ferry has come of age.  Gerald Williams will make
    		big difference in this club.  Nance the blocking machine.
    
    		Cavs won the game by 39 points and the 2nd team played most
    		of the game.  
    
    		First I heard that Mark Price had a brother who also plays
    		in the NBA.
    
    		The team is getting lots more physical since playing the
    		Bulls.  
    
    		Yesterday shooting percentage was up to 61%.
    
    	This is the best team the Cavs have fielded in years.  I honestly 
    	think this is going to be the new NBA champions!  The
    
    
    		C L E V E L A N D    C A V S 
    
    
    
             o
    	GO CaVs!

    
    >	This is the best team the Cavs have fielded in years.  
    
    Hal, that's an understatement.  This is THE best Cavs team of all time.  
    
    Gee, Tommy, Hal and the Worcester T&G all pick the Cavs to go all the 
    way..  must be the year that Cleveland ends the championship droubt.  
    
    /Jeff

    Brent Price is a rookie...
    

    > Ferry has come of age.
    
    What age?  13?
    He's still a tweener....bench warmer AT BEST....and not worth
    all of the money the Cav's have tied up in him.
    
    Pat

fyi Hal, it Gerald Wilkins not Williams.....

mike

    
    	Ok, thanks Mike.....
    
    	And, thats right.....Mr. Ferry has come of age!!!  It was kind
    	of funny, when ever he made a basket last night....the crowd
    	went wild.  This guy has come into his own.  He is very physical
    	under the board...no hesitation before shooting.  I've been
    	impressed watching him the last three games.  He will be able 
    	to help this team in a big way.
    
    	The one guy I feel sorry for is Kerr........he's not seeing much
    	playing time.....and I like him lots more than I like Ehlo....which
    	doesn't have to be a whole heck of alot.
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

Hal, I don't know what you got against Elho but he's a dam good ballplayer.
He can score, he can pass, he can rebound and he can play D. The only thing
I've ever seen Kerr do with any proficiency is shoot. Also Elho has the
ability to guard small forwards as well. Kerr due to his girly-mon figure
would get drilled by a Willie Burton or Glenn Rice.....

mike

    
    Mike,
    		I've just seen Ehlo lose too many games for the Cavs.  
    and....when I do see him, I see him miss easy shots and take the 
    wild ones when it really counts.  He just doesn't impress me.  I
    know the chances of the Cavs trading him are slim but, I would.
    I know I will probably eat my words and this year he will be the 
    reason the Cavs win it all...just my luck.  I still think the Cavs
    could get someone else just as good in there.
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

Hal, Magic, Michael, Sir Charles, Ewing, Malone, Akeem and even the great
Larry Bird have all missed shots at the end of the game that have cost their
teams a win or two. It happens NBFD. They've all also thrown away a pass or
two. You shouldn't discount what said player has given the team the other
47 minutes of the game. Afterall without Elho contributions earlier in the game
would they even be in a posistion to win? Basketball is a game where everyone
has a role and Elho fills out his role admirably in Cleveland's scheme. Sure
there are better players at his posistion but they might hurt the chemistry
of the team where as Elho seems to be a perfect fit...

    OK, who got into Mike Childs' account?  Nexted thing you know we'll be
    hearing about how Clemens was the one who has kept the Sox in
    contention all those years, and above the Mariners this year.

    
    	The Cavs do it again....didn't stay up to see the game but, they
    win the game in double overtime!   126-122
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

Hal -

If you get anymore information about this game, please post it.  If any of the
triumphant troubedors of SPORTS come across a report, please, by all means, inform
us of this game's nuances, its hills and dales.  Sing a symphony of its playing!

How did Brad Daugherty do?  One of my favorite players.  Great passer for a large
individual.

Thank you so much.

JD

    
    Daugherty is down and out with tendinitous in his knee.  It's hurting 
    too with losses to Portland and Sacramento to show for it.  
    
    /Jeff 

    
    Do you know if he's been placed on IR?  Or is it day-to-day?
    
    Joe

    
    It's day to day.  He's with the team but didn't play in last nights
    game.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    	Didn't see the line score for the Portland game but did notice
    Daughtery was out yesterday.  Oh boy, lets hope Hot Rod and Ferry
    and pick up their games.....
    
                     o
    		Go CaVs!

    Getting his knee looked at today...
    

    
    Daugherty update:
    
    NMI showed no damage to the soft tissues - diagnosis: Brusitis and
    tendinitous.   He'll probably be rested for 1-2 weeks and then they'll 
    see how the knee reacts.  Minor orthiscopic procedure a possibility if the 
    swelling doesn't take care of itself.  
    
    /Jeff

    
    	So what is this brusitis and tendinitous stuff?  I'm no medical
    expert and don't think I have either of these but would appreciate
    someone enlighting me to what they really are and what long term
    effect they can cause....does it just go away or what?  What good
    does surgery do?
    
    	Thanks...I'll watch the game tonight and see if I can shed more
    	light on this disheartening news.....
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

>    	So what is this brusitis and tendinitous stuff?  I'm no medical
>    expert and don't think I have either of these but would appreciate
>    someone enlighting me to what they really are and what long term
>    effect they can cause....does it just go away or what?  What good
>    does surgery do?
    

Bursitis:

	Joints are lubricated by something called synovial fluid.
	This fluid is, I believed contained in little sacs called
	bursa.  When these become inflammed it is bursitis.  (An
	"itis" ending usually indicates inflammation).

	
Tendinitis:
	
	An inflammation of the tendons.  Tendons are attached to
	bones on one end, and muscles on the other, and are what
	the muscle uses to apply forces to the bones, thus making
	movement. 



I don't know much about Sports medicine.  Most doctors will say, if you're
arm hurts when you do that, don't do that.


I'll ask my brother for more info.  He's an RN in the OR, and knows a 
sh*tload more about this stuff than I do......


'Saw

    
    	Daughtery is back and the Knicks go down tonight in Cleveland!
    
              o o
             o   o
    	Go CaVs!   "3 points"

    	The Knickerbockers play a ManlyButWhenTheCelticsPlayedThatWayItWasDirty 
brand of ball.  I'll go with Patrick & Company...
    
    				/Don    

    
    	No way Don!  The knicks may play physical but with a healthy Cav
    team, don't count on it.  In Cleveland, with those gorgious
    cheerleaders......there's just no way NY will come out on top.
    
    	I watching a game last week on the dish and durring halftime a
    camera man put his camera on the ground, tilted at just the right
    angle and left....you could see people walking by...just the feet...
    it was kind of weird....then . . . the cheerleaders came on . . .
    all you heard from that point on was the announcers growning.  I had
    to send the kid up for bed then...  ;-)
                     o o o
                    o     o
                  /o o
    	Go CaVs!  |   |     "blocked by Laaarrry Nance!"

    
    	Well, the Cavs are back to their powerfull selves again showing
    the Knicks that roughhouse basketball doesn't work on at team that 
    knows how to put the foulshots in the basket.  Thats where this game
    was won...on the free throw line.  Sorry Mike, maybe next year....but
    then again, I don't think so.  
    	The announcers were saying that the Knicks played their best game
    of the year in the first half and was only up by 5 at the half.  The
    Cavs kept plugging away with price leading the way.  Then, the big
    third quarter.....with Danny Ferry making some big shots...even the 
    game clinching 3 pointer.
    	One fight in the game...Ehlo and some guy from NY...Ehlo fouled 
    the guy then the guy came out hitting Ehlo in the face.  Foul on Ehlo
    and a big T on NY.  After than NY was dust in the wind.
    	The Cavs are rated #2 at making foul shots and the tactic of being
    physical just won't work...take the hint.
    	Mark Price didn't play the 4th quarter last night because of a
    brused hip.  I don't think it is a big deal.  Brandon came in and did a
    great job in his place.  
    	The Cavs also just traded Steve Kerr yesterday...sorry to see him
    go, he wasn't getting much playing time because of the great backups
    the Cavs have and with Ferry playing so good.
    	Rummors were flying about the Cavs wanting to trade Ehlo but that
    was squashed last night after the game when Ehlo was interviewed.
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    	Hal, remember that there are only 5 leftovers from last year's
    Knickerbocker team.  They're playing at a pretty good pace while
    still learning each other.  Cleveland is breaking in one significant
    new player into their lineup.  I still say that by the end of the
    year the Knickerbockers will be the best team in the East if Michael
    misses any significant amount of time.
    
    				/Don

Hal -
Da Knicks played their best game lasted week vs. Da Bulls.

JD

    
    	Don,
    		I think NY is the best in thier own division but if they
    were in the Cavs division....they really wouldn't have a chance at
    winning the 1st place seed.  With da bulls and bucks, it would be a
    tough haul.  Like I said, NY played a great game in the first half,
    but couldn't pull away.  Play a physical game against the Cavs and
    you'll lose every time!
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    
    	JD,
    		well, that was probable their best game up till last night.
    And, in the game against da bulls, Jordan (one man team), was hurt in
    the second half.
    
    	     o	
    	Go CaVs!

	Hal, 31 more free throw attempts for the Cavs than the Knicks?

	Might not have been some home cooking there?

	Knicks held the Cavs to 39% FG shooting, and shot 48% themselves.
	Sounds like they deserved a better fate.

	We'll see what happens a little later in the season.

	Any reason why Gerald Wilkins only played 8 minutes against
	his former team, or is that normal for him with the Cavs so far?

	Jim M

    
    	More fouls.....don't really think there was any home cooking going
    here at all.  The Knicks were trying to be physical all over the floor
    and they were called.  As far as Williams goes...not sure...the
    announcers were also asking the same question.  
    	
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

       Who's Williams?

    ...and Price goes down again.

    No Cavs news for about a week.  What's going on?

    They lost to da Bulls...
    

    
    	Cavs have been having lots of trouble without Mark Price in the
    lineup.  Price was knocked out in the game against the Knicks and 
    hasn't come back yet....not sure when he will get back either.  Without
    Price, Brandon is expected to play his spot but has trouble driving
    into the lane when the clock is running out....
    	The bench blew the game the other night against LA.  Terrible game
    to watch.  Wasn't able to pick up the Bulls game.
    	Bad luck for the Cavs so far this year....beginning with losing
    Daughtery early in the season and now Price.  
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    I am looking forward to following the CAVS in this notes file.  Thanks
    to Pat for turning me on to this file.
    
    CBD 

    
    	Cavs win against Seattle with Price leading the way.  Cavs were
    lucky to win this one.  
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    Pistons win on national TV...
     

    Another win for the CAVS tonight against Houston.  DA Bulls better
    watch out!
    
    CBD
    

    
    	Cavs went on a 20-5 run in the second to put the game away...Nance
    scored 30 big ones....
    
    	Talk around Cleveland and to trade Ferry and Brnadon to get
    Jackson....?
    
    	Don't think it will happen.
    
    		
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    Jimmy?  Yeah right... who wants Ferry's contract?
    

    
    	Cavs make it two in a row...both being routs.  Cleveland beat Phili
    last night 115-97.  Cavs were doing alot of running.  Nance got hurt
    toward the end of the game...something to do with his ankle.  97% foul
    shooting rate in the game.  Cavs have the best foul shooting club in
    the NBA....something like 83%.
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    At least Hal's consistent.  He's in here whenever any of the Cleveland
    teams win.

    
    	Cavs win their 4th in a row over the Kings.  Nance and Price score
    22 points each.  Longest winning streak of the season so far.
    
    
    	     o
    	Go CaVs!

    Another great win for the CAVS.  Maybe they have their home court
    advantage back.  If we can duplicate our efforts on the road we may win
    this conference.
    
    Brad and Mark are back and the rest of the team seems solid again.
    
    CBD

    
    The Cavs come off with a big victory at Washington.  It took overtime
    to do it and shooting 100% from the field in OT helped.  Mark Price
    was the man of the hour yesterday with Ehlo comming on in OT to help
    put it away.  Great game.  This makes 6 in a row.  Officials stunk!
    Washington looked like a real good team with lots of potential.  Cavs
    were in the lead for most of the game with many 3 pointers thrown up
    by both clubs.
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    Did the Cavs play this past weekend?

Cavs played at least one game and lost to the Nets in Cleveland. First Nets
win in Cleveland in 6 years. Too bad Hal is on vacation.

The Crazy Met

Good game by the Knicks last night. They have had a tough time beating the Cavs.
They also increased their lead over the Cavs for 2nd best record in the conference. 
Not that important yet, but nice.

The Crazy Met

    
    Yep, the Cavs lost to New York last night but have only themselves to
    blame.  Too many turnovers and not enough rebounds.  Physical game
    once again.  Officiating was to be desired.  Bluntant fouls not called.
    Nance in foul trouble early.  Hot Rod out.  Cavs went with a three
    guard line.  
    
    Tough schedual for the Cavs....last night New York...tonight its the
    Bulls.  Look for a comeback tonight.
    
    Comments on the game....Sanders was taking many shots he shouldn't 
    have.  Price taking it to the paint when he should have passed.  Nance
    in foul trouble.  Daughtery took three point shot at the end of the 
    game when he should have passed.  Ehlo no factor.  Ferry no factor.
    New York was overplaying the first pass getting the turnovers.  New
    York got the ball off the glass.  Cavs wern't putting hands up on
    outside shots.
    
    Was surprised the Cavs were able to stay in the game with all the 
    turnovers and poor rebounding.
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    
    	What a game last night against the Bulls.  The name of the game...
    Price and Daughtery!  Daughtery inside and Price outside.  Mark hit
    3 3-pointers in a run that did the Bulls in.  Jordan had no clue and
    was taken out of the game.  Ferry had a good game scoring 12.  Ehlo
    and Wilkins held Jordan in check.  Price got hit in the Eye by
    Cartwrite which required 3 stiches.  We had a scare when Nance was
    taken to the locker room limping.  He went up for a block and came
    down on a Bulls player leg then layed on the ground in pain.  Late
    in the game he came back out and even played the rest of the 4th.
    The crowd went crazy when he came back out.  Great game!  Got to
    love it!
    	I got this thing in the mail yesterday called sports pages.
    It had two sample pages...one of Jordan...all the stats...I gave it
    to one of my kids to give to one of his friends at school since his
    friend says he is a Bulls fan...I call him a bandwagon jumper because
    his teams in all sports are the 1st place teams.  Anyway, while I 
    wasn't looking, Roger takes this picture of Jordan and scribbles all
    over it.  I couldn't help but laugh.
    
    
             o
    	Go CaVs!

    
    While Price & Daugherty are clearly the leaders of the Cavs, something
    too must be said about Larry Nance.  While Price & Daugherty stand
    good chances to play at the All-* game, Nance has had just as good a
    season - 18 points, 9 rebounds, 3 assists, and almost 3 blocks a game,
    a .538 FG% and an incredible .919 FT%, plus as always his quiet
    leadership.  An amazing year for someone thought to be in the twilight
    of his career.
    
    Joe