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Conference atlana::christian_v5

Title:...by believing you may have life in His Name
Notice:Conference now write-locked & archived - for reference only
Moderator:ATLANA::SHERMAN
Created:Wed Aug 15 1990
Last Modified:Mon Mar 02 1992
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1200
Total number of notes:25095

198.0. "Baptism and salvation" by XLIB::JACKSON (Collis Jackson) Sat Oct 20 1990 16:02

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198.1Reply by Tony Balsamo copied to this noteXLIB::JACKSONCollis JacksonSat Oct 20 1990 16:1247
198.2Two hours noting, 0 hours doing homeworkXLIB::JACKSONCollis JacksonSat Oct 20 1990 16:3044
198.3Ethiopian EunuchDESTES::ESTESDave Estes DTN 341-2395Sun Oct 21 1990 17:3516
198.4More versesROMCSA::FIASCHIMon Oct 22 1990 13:5063
198.5Baptism is more than a symbolNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsMon Oct 22 1990 14:21124
198.6WMOIS::CE_JOHNSONAnd the water turned to Wormwood!Mon Oct 22 1990 14:478
198.7Turning down discussion for nowXLIB::JACKSONCollis JacksonMon Oct 22 1990 14:4711
198.8Baptism is not a workNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsMon Oct 22 1990 15:1545
198.9WHAT IS WORKS AND SALVATION?RAVEN1::WATKINSMon Oct 22 1990 15:3015
198.10An apparent contridiction?NRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsMon Oct 22 1990 15:4748
198.11I question your questionNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsMon Oct 22 1990 15:5712
198.12Bummer, dude!NRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsMon Oct 22 1990 16:1611
198.13God's definition of 'works'NRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsMon Oct 22 1990 16:3426
198.14Here's a question for you, Tony!ELMAGO::SEARLEYof the WayMon Oct 22 1990 20:2521
198.15Michael Jordan Baptism - SLAM DUNK!!WR2FOR::HOPKINS_DASaved By A Tortilla ;^}Tue Oct 23 1990 00:1470
198.16Origin of word BaptismSNOFS1::KAPTEYNMy VAX vacumes wet & dryTue Oct 23 1990 00:3718
198.17Little explanationROMCSA::FIASCHITue Oct 23 1990 12:5251
198.18you're doing a wonderful job!SSGBPM::PULKSTENISHe never breaks a bruised reedTue Oct 23 1990 13:087
198.19Baptism addresses original forgivenessNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Oct 23 1990 13:4048
198.20Faith = SalvationWMOIS::CE_JOHNSONAnd the water turned to Wormwood!Tue Oct 23 1990 15:0531
198.21Faith and actionsNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Oct 23 1990 15:1328
198.22WMOIS::CE_JOHNSONAnd the water turned to Wormwood!Tue Oct 23 1990 15:2513
198.23What about that thief?NRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Oct 23 1990 15:4542
198.24"Faith Cometh By Hearing"LUDWIG::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Tue Oct 23 1990 16:17126
198.25Saved by the BLOODNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Oct 23 1990 16:2321
198.26The Lord God is OneNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Oct 23 1990 16:5149
198.27Here are a few examples...NRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Oct 23 1990 17:1432
198.28I can't get it nailed down to a set of rulesTROA02::DEBOERTue Oct 23 1990 17:5415
198.29Read the parable of the sower...NRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Oct 23 1990 18:3923
198.30WMOIS::CE_JOHNSONAnd the water turned to Wormwood!Tue Oct 23 1990 18:4550
198.31One truth for allNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Oct 23 1990 18:5121
198.32Build one another up in the faithTROA09::DEBOERTue Oct 23 1990 19:136
198.33BAPTISM IS COMMANDED AND IS THEREFORE A WORKRAVEN1::WATKINSTue Oct 23 1990 21:4830
198.34.17 could be my wordsSNOFS1::KAPTEYNMy VAX vacumes wet & dryWed Oct 24 1990 00:5516
198.35Faith is FaithNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsWed Oct 24 1990 11:0747
198.36Baptism is a command, but...NRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsWed Oct 24 1990 15:1334
198.37Thinking about FaithCSOA1::REEVESDavid Reeves, Cleveland, OHWed Oct 24 1990 15:1411
198.38Where do we draw the line??POBOX::FOILESWed Oct 24 1990 16:0451
198.39RAVEN1::WATKINSWed Oct 24 1990 17:3812
198.40Feelings are nice, but I like to knowNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsWed Oct 24 1990 18:05104
198.41Thanks,XLIB::JACKSONCollis JacksonWed Oct 24 1990 18:2210
198.42WMOIS::CE_JOHNSONAnd the water turned to Wormwood!Wed Oct 24 1990 18:3117
198.43Baptism is not a WorkNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsWed Oct 24 1990 18:3624
198.44Saved not by worksCSOA1::REEVESDavid Reeves, Cleveland, OHWed Oct 24 1990 19:5526
198.45Weak ReplyLUDWIG::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Wed Oct 24 1990 20:1816
198.46AdditionLUDWIG::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Wed Oct 24 1990 20:208
198.47WR2FOR::HOPKINS_DASaved By A Tortilla ;^}Thu Oct 25 1990 01:2266
198.48What a refreshing replyNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsThu Oct 25 1990 12:4846
198.49I understood you perfectly, but...NRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsThu Oct 25 1990 13:3132
198.50Outward service modeNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsThu Oct 25 1990 13:5939
198.51don't quite know what you're lookin' forWR2FOR::HOPKINS_DASaved By A Tortilla ;^}Sat Oct 27 1990 00:0033
198.52Faith response to the grace of GodNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsMon Oct 29 1990 15:2850
198.53WMOIS::CE_JOHNSONAnd the water turned to Wormwood!Mon Oct 29 1990 18:0623
198.54WR2FOR::HOPKINS_DASaved By A Tortilla ;^}Mon Oct 29 1990 23:4140
198.55I know, I'm a stinkerWR2FOR::HOPKINS_DASaved By A Tortilla ;^}Mon Oct 29 1990 23:5337
198.56At conversion = At baptismNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Oct 30 1990 13:3134
198.57Cornelius was saved by his faithNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Oct 30 1990 14:4962
198.58WMOIS::CE_JOHNSONAnd the water turned to Wormwood!Tue Oct 30 1990 15:2444
198.59Meaning of the Text the ProblemROULET::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Tue Oct 30 1990 16:03109
198.60Church history DOES reflect the true meaning of BaptismNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Oct 30 1990 17:2454
198.61Contact with the Blood in BaptismNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Oct 30 1990 19:5878
198.62fork in the road...WR2FOR::HOPKINS_DASW, the Son-worshipper, a.k.a. KenWed Oct 31 1990 15:2920
198.63Try to understand what I have written...NRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsWed Oct 31 1990 17:51133
198.64Thank-YOUNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsWed Oct 31 1990 18:1910
198.65Part 1WMOIS::CE_JOHNSONAnd the water turned to Wormwood!Wed Oct 31 1990 18:5666
198.66Reply to Tony BalsamoSTRATA::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Thu Nov 01 1990 16:10155
198.67Acts 2 is not my only verseNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsThu Nov 01 1990 17:2660
198.68Perhaps I was quick to speak...NRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsThu Nov 01 1990 18:43157
198.69Thanks TonyROULET::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Mon Nov 05 1990 10:5812
198.70Creation alone can not saving faithNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsMon Nov 05 1990 15:5173
198.71More on Rom 10:17STRATA::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Mon Nov 05 1990 16:2597
198.72More on Saving FaithNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsMon Nov 05 1990 18:38151
198.73"Tony-addressed to you!"ELMAGO::SEARLEYdon't believe in tortillas!!!Mon Nov 05 1990 19:3015
198.74The true CRUX of the matter...NRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsMon Nov 05 1990 19:3217
198.75Yo...yourself!NRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsMon Nov 05 1990 19:4310
198.76Faith Due to Creation is Faith in ChristSTRATA::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Tue Nov 06 1990 16:33208
198.77so is this yo-yo?ELMAGO::SEARLEYdon't believe in tortillas!!!Tue Nov 06 1990 17:5216
198.78'Faith by assiciation' Doctrine is falseNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Nov 06 1990 18:3078
198.79That's okay...NRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Nov 06 1990 18:3312
198.80We Are Understanding Each OtherSTRATA::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Wed Nov 07 1990 11:5636
198.81Holding Unswervingly to the TruthNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsWed Nov 07 1990 13:3136
198.82He covers me!CSC32::JAMIWed Nov 07 1990 15:2916
198.83By the Book...NRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsWed Nov 07 1990 16:1243
198.84Expounding on ExtremesSTRATA::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Wed Nov 07 1990 16:2123
198.85TRUTH edifies...no matter the sourceNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsWed Nov 07 1990 16:4824
198.86CHFS32::CWILLIAMSBeholding HIM.Thu Nov 08 1990 13:5613
198.87Here's What He Is Saying...ROULET::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Thu Nov 08 1990 14:3215
198.88Baptism is not ADDing to your faithNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsThu Nov 08 1990 15:5219
198.89Back to CruxesLUDWIG::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Thu Nov 08 1990 15:5689
198.90JUMPING IN FROM NOTE 232.19ODIXIE::HWATSONThu Nov 08 1990 16:1248
198.9185% correctNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsThu Nov 08 1990 16:1528
198.92Quick SummarySTRATA::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Thu Nov 08 1990 16:3320
198.93need Knowledge of, belief in, and acceptance of...NRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsThu Nov 08 1990 18:1488
198.94Old Covenant/New CovenantNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsThu Nov 08 1990 19:1297
198.95interpretation = differenceSNOFS1::KAPTEYNMy VAX vacumes wet & dryFri Nov 09 1990 00:5812
198.96Baptism is SYMBOLICCHFS32::CWILLIAMSBeholding HIM.Fri Nov 09 1990 13:0247
198.97We must look at the contextNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsFri Nov 09 1990 13:4036
198.98Let's let scripture interprate scriptureNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsFri Nov 09 1990 14:5691
198.99Look what happens when I step out ;-)WR2FOR::HOPKINS_DASW, the Son-worshipper, a.k.a. KenSun Nov 11 1990 22:234
198.100WR2FOR::HOPKINS_DASW, the Son-worshipper, a.k.a. KenSun Nov 11 1990 22:4019
198.101Biblical ideasCHFS32::CWILLIAMSBeholding HIM.Mon Nov 12 1990 17:2644
198.102Baptism a workCHFS32::CWILLIAMSBeholding HIM.Mon Nov 12 1990 17:309
198.103Speaking of Extreme...STRATA::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Mon Nov 12 1990 17:4747
198.104Works means Observance of the LawNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsMon Nov 12 1990 19:55100
198.105I AM BACK, TONY!RAVEN1::WATKINSMon Nov 12 1990 23:5337
198.106Imaginative MindNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Nov 13 1990 15:0140
198.107IntentionROULET::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Tue Nov 13 1990 15:5811
198.108CHFS32::CWILLIAMSBeholding HIM.Tue Nov 13 1990 16:0532
198.109Eph 2 works vs. James 2 worksNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Nov 13 1990 16:1266
198.110Actions complete FaithNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Nov 13 1990 19:5570
198.111REPLY TO .109RAVEN1::WATKINSTue Nov 13 1990 19:5742
198.112Rev.1:5 speaks to those already baptizedNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsWed Nov 14 1990 12:3241
198.113MY REPLY TO .112RAVEN1::WATKINSSat Nov 17 1990 13:4946
198.114Apples and OrangesNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsMon Nov 19 1990 19:1144
198.115REPLY TO .114RAVEN1::WATKINSTue Nov 20 1990 01:1318
198.116Trust in God, not in ManNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Nov 20 1990 18:0332
198.117REPLY TO .116RAVEN1::WATKINSWed Nov 21 1990 01:2213
198.118What does 'precept upon precept' really meanNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsWed Nov 21 1990 19:0835
198.119contextually speaking. ;-)WR2FOR::HOPKINS_DASW, the Son-worshipper, a.k.a. KenThu Nov 22 1990 00:3913
198.120again contextWPOCS1::KAPTEYNHere for a purposeThu Nov 22 1990 02:5814
198.121TO UNDERSTAND DOCTRINERAVEN1::WATKINSFri Nov 23 1990 23:539
198.122CONTEXT OF ISA. 28RAVEN1::WATKINSSat Nov 24 1990 19:4116
198.123APPLIED TO BAPTISMRAVEN1::WATKINSSat Nov 24 1990 20:0222
198.124SNOFS1::KAPTEYNhere for a purposeMon Nov 26 1990 01:2515
198.125NRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsMon Nov 26 1990 14:398
198.126Not the method or the version, but the SpiritNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsMon Nov 26 1990 15:4256
198.127NRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsMon Nov 26 1990 15:4312
198.128back to basicsSNOFS1::KAPTEYNhere for a purposeMon Nov 26 1990 23:399
198.129What made it null and void?NRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Nov 27 1990 12:3718
198.130BAPTISM IS A LIKENESSRAVEN1::WATKINSTue Nov 27 1990 18:3772
198.131SORRY A MISSTAKERAVEN1::WATKINSTue Nov 27 1990 18:429
198.132answer to Tone .29WPOCS1::KAPTEYNHere for a purposeThu Nov 29 1990 00:3931
198.133Too Busy But Will Be BackROULET::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Thu Nov 29 1990 12:148
198.134A QUESTIONRAVEN1::WATKINSFri Nov 30 1990 22:0318
198.135You missed my pointNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsMon Dec 03 1990 16:1316
198.136WORKS AND JUST WORKRAVEN1::WATKINSMon Dec 03 1990 17:538
198.137My wife isn't a Christian?RHETT::HOYTPrincipal Loose CannonTue Dec 04 1990 14:2010
198.138You make the practical applicationNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Dec 04 1990 15:3414
198.142Continuation of Rom 10:17 PositionSTRATA::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Tue Dec 04 1990 15:34108
198.143Continued Dialogue With Tony BalsamoSTRATA::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Tue Dec 04 1990 15:35207
198.144Further SupportSTRATA::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Tue Dec 04 1990 16:0979
198.139You flinched! ;-)RHETT::HOYTPrincipal Loose CannonTue Dec 04 1990 18:2715
198.140RAVEN1::WATKINSTue Dec 04 1990 18:4010
198.141Sentimentality makes cowards of us allNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Dec 04 1990 18:5531
198.145RHETT::HOYTPrincipal Loose CannonTue Dec 04 1990 19:2518
198.146WMOIS::CE_JOHNSONShorttimer!Wed Dec 05 1990 11:3010
198.147So James 2 says 'works' plural...NRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsWed Dec 05 1990 15:0735
198.148Faith By Association doesn't flyNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsWed Dec 05 1990 17:5978
198.149NRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsWed Dec 05 1990 19:0011
198.150Gross MisunderstandingNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsWed Dec 05 1990 19:5867
198.151RAVEN1::WATKINSTue Dec 11 1990 01:279
198.152RAVEN1::WATKINSTue Dec 11 1990 01:3716
198.153JANUS::BHARRISNaC and CBN Business Ops, Reading UKTue Dec 11 1990 11:5044
198.154RAVEN1::WATKINSTue Dec 11 1990 19:587
198.155MoreJANUS::BHARRISNaC and CBN Business Ops, Reading UKWed Dec 12 1990 15:2718
198.156Found it?JANUS::BHARRISNaC and CBN Business Ops, Reading UKWed Dec 12 1990 15:3313
198.157ROMANS 4RAVEN1::WATKINSWed Dec 12 1990 20:0619
198.158There is more then waterSNOFS1::KAPTEYNhere for a purposeFri Dec 14 1990 07:249
198.159'Twere Romans 4,15JANUS::BHARRISNaC and CBN Business Ops, Reading UKFri Dec 14 1990 10:5216
198.160REPLY TO .159RAVEN1::WATKINSSun Dec 16 1990 20:1027
198.161JESUS MAKES IT CLEAR RAVEN1::WATKINSSun Dec 16 1990 20:279
198.162be wary of WebsterMEIS::STOCKJohn Stock TWO/D19 DTN-247-2087Sun Dec 16 1990 21:3815
198.163DELNI::SMCCONNELLNext year, in JERUSALEM!Sun Dec 16 1990 21:486
198.164I thought you'd never askSSGBPM::PULKSTENISpls don't substitute HP for GodSun Dec 16 1990 22:028
198.165ARE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS LAW?RAVEN1::WATKINSSun Dec 16 1990 23:1617
198.166BAPTISM IS COMMANDED THEREFORE IT IS A LAWRAVEN1::WATKINSSun Dec 16 1990 23:175
198.167DELNI::SMCCONNELLNext year, in JERUSALEM!Mon Dec 17 1990 11:223
198.168What's Mikveh?STRATA::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Mon Dec 17 1990 15:2310
198.169This is what YOUR logic looks likeNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsMon Dec 17 1990 16:4337
198.170DELNI::SMCCONNELLNext year, in JERUSALEM!Mon Dec 17 1990 17:0521
198.171Baptism IS more than an outward symbolNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsMon Dec 17 1990 17:0630
198.172I'm Curious Steve/Hi Tony!STRATA::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Mon Dec 17 1990 20:2414
198.173I DO HOLD TO A DOCTRINE OF PREDESTINATIONRAVEN1::WATKINSMon Dec 17 1990 20:5815
198.174GIDDAY::OLLISAnd we will mount up with wings like eagles ..Mon Dec 17 1990 21:5017
198.175NOMOS/HERGONRAVEN1::WATKINSMon Dec 17 1990 22:1639
198.176Hmmm - yes and no?JANUS::BHARRISNaC and CBN Business Ops, Reading UKTue Dec 18 1990 10:5160
198.177Not all action is biblically condemned workNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsTue Dec 18 1990 14:5738
198.178REPLY TO .177RAVEN1::WATKINSWed Dec 19 1990 20:5818
198.179None do good?SCAM::GRADYtim gradyThu Dec 20 1990 19:0917
198.180READ ROMANS 1-9RAVEN1::WATKINSFri Dec 21 1990 00:5712
198.181DELNI::SMCCONNELLNext year, in JERUSALEM!Fri Dec 21 1990 11:4419
198.182Baptism not workSNOFS1::KAPTEYNhere for a purposeMon Dec 24 1990 03:3310
198.183REPLY TO .176RAVEN1::WATKINSTue Dec 25 1990 01:1012
198.184RAVEN1::WATKINSTue Dec 25 1990 01:2714
198.185It is what goes on inside AT baptismNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsWed Jan 02 1991 15:3126
198.186re .-1GIDDAY::KAPTEYNHere for a purposeThu Jan 03 1991 04:2412
198.187John's vs. Peter's baptismNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsThu Jan 03 1991 17:3034
198.188re -.1SNOFS1::KAPTEYNhere for a purposeThu Jan 03 1991 22:5613
198.189Still'd like to see how you come to that conclusionNRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsFri Jan 04 1991 13:1434
198.190re .-1SNOFS1::KAPTEYNhere for a purposeMon Jan 07 1991 02:089
198.191IMHONRADM::BALSAMOSave the WailsMon Jan 07 1991 19:2430
198.192re .191SNOFS1::KAPTEYNhere for a purposeTue Jan 08 1991 00:194
198.193More answers to unasked QuestionsFREEBE::TURNERWed Jan 23 1991 15:4718
198.194MLCSSE::GREENEBTue Feb 05 1991 17:11284
198.195??KAOFS::MUNROETue Feb 05 1991 18:017
198.196Yes!MLCSSE::GREENEBWed Feb 06 1991 11:446
198.197RAVEN1::WATKINSSat Feb 23 1991 00:049
198.198WR2FOR::HOPKINS_DASW, the Son-worshipper, a.k.a. KenTue Feb 26 1991 01:4254
198.199Please, continueSSGBPM::PULKSTENISin trainingTue Feb 26 1991 08:3010
198.200Coming to God...on HIS termsWMOIS::BALSAMO_ASave the WailsTue Feb 26 1991 14:2690
198.201hey, those are my breadcrumbs!WR2FOR::HOPKINS_DASW, the Son-worshipper, a.k.a. KenWed Feb 27 1991 00:46176
198.202lovely entry Ken!!AYOV24::CFLOYDJesus Christ IS the Son of GodWed Feb 27 1991 11:541
198.203Jesus SavesMLCSSE::GREENEBThu Mar 28 1991 17:0962
198.204Jesus Saves - Part IIMLCSSE::GREENEBThu Mar 28 1991 17:15128
198.205KAOFS::MUNROEThu Mar 28 1991 17:324
198.206Yeah, I'm back ;-)WR2FOR::HOPKINS_DASW, the Son-worshipper, a.k.a. KenFri Mar 29 1991 00:1536
198.207Baptism: Initiates, not Maintains FaithWMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IFri Mar 29 1991 14:5154
198.208It Is Finished!!!!MSDOA::RASMUSSENWe Exalt TheeFri Mar 29 1991 14:5716
198.209Let's look at ALL of Christ's Words...WMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IFri Mar 29 1991 15:2932
198.210step by step...WR2FOR::HOPKINS_DASW, the Son-worshipper, a.k.a. KenSat Mar 30 1991 00:0111
198.211JESUS SAVE - PART IIIMLCSSE::GREENEBFri Apr 26 1991 14:50134
198.212Winter baptism?REDBRD::TAYLORMark Taylor, St. LouisFri Aug 16 1991 17:0328
198.213I don't see the connection between baptism and workWMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IFri Aug 16 1991 18:1164
198.214Justification Through Faith PCCAD1::RICHARDJBluegrass,Music Aged To PerfectionFri Aug 16 1991 18:2427
198.215The Red Sea of His death...LEDS::LOPEZ...A River...bright as crystalFri Aug 16 1991 21:3519
198.216thanksMRKTNG::PULKSTENISgoin' fishin'Mon Aug 19 1991 11:529
198.217Pure Grace, by Pure FaithREDBRD::TAYLORMark Taylor, St. LouisMon Aug 19 1991 13:0634
198.218LEDS::LOPEZ...A River...bright as crystalTue Aug 20 1991 13:2311
198.219Work or Response?CSOA1::REEVESTue Aug 20 1991 13:4434
198.220to clear up a misunderstandingVMSMKT::PULKSTENISLove mercyTue Aug 20 1991 14:1453
198.221Moving backwards, or forward?MACNAS::DOHENYAn Everlasting CovenantTue Aug 20 1991 14:2536
198.222Arguing from SilenceNAC::WIEBEGarth WiebeTue Aug 20 1991 15:5490
198.223Baptism: A complete list of all the occurrancesNAC::WIEBEGarth WiebeTue Aug 20 1991 15:5842
198.224LEDS::LOPEZ...A River...bright as crystalTue Aug 20 1991 16:4810
198.225NAC::WIEBEGarth WiebeTue Aug 20 1991 17:1013
198.226SimpleREDBRD::TAYLORMark Taylor, St. LouisTue Aug 20 1991 17:3422
198.227Wrong emphysisWMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than ITue Aug 20 1991 18:2829
198.228Two kinds of ACTIONWMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than ITue Aug 20 1991 19:0274
198.229yes, but what ISN'T work?XANADU::FLEISCHERwithout vision the people perish (381-0899 ZKO3-2/T63)Tue Aug 20 1991 19:0617
198.230no contradictionXANADU::FLEISCHERwithout vision the people perish (381-0899 ZKO3-2/T63)Tue Aug 20 1991 19:2128
198.231New life on the other side of the waterWMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than ITue Aug 20 1991 19:3422
198.232Good questions...WMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than ITue Aug 20 1991 19:5244
198.233LEDS::LOPEZ...A River...bright as crystalTue Aug 20 1991 21:2013
198.234LEDS::LOPEZ...A River...bright as crystalTue Aug 20 1991 21:2412
198.235ContradictionREDBRD::TAYLORMark Taylor, St. LouisTue Aug 20 1991 21:5040
198.236Faith is not a workREDBRD::TAYLORMark Taylor, St. LouisTue Aug 20 1991 21:5618
198.237yesREDBRD::TAYLORMark Taylor, St. LouisTue Aug 20 1991 21:5810
198.238I'm thirsty for Living Water...CSC32::J_WETHERNGod's Plan > man's planTue Aug 20 1991 23:3737
198.239Me againSNOFS1::KAPTEYNProperty of El-Elohe-YisraelWed Aug 21 1991 04:3038
198.240TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersWed Aug 21 1991 15:0013
198.241Let's talk specifics...WMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IWed Aug 21 1991 17:5356
198.242Couldn't find sacrament in the bible...WMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IWed Aug 21 1991 18:2029
198.243WMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IWed Aug 21 1991 18:4113
198.244Reconciles, not contradictsWMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IWed Aug 21 1991 18:5857
198.245TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersWed Aug 21 1991 19:179
198.246SA1794::GUSICJReferees whistle while they work..Wed Aug 21 1991 19:3814
198.247Some answers to your questions...WMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IWed Aug 21 1991 19:4676
198.248its origins are in JudaismVMSMKT::PULKSTENISLove mercyWed Aug 21 1991 20:0525
198.249STOP!NAC::WIEBEGarth WiebeWed Aug 21 1991 21:3322
198.250We work because of who we are, not the oppositeREDBRD::TAYLORMark Taylor, St. LouisWed Aug 21 1991 21:3955
198.251My reply back to T. BalsamoCSC32::J_WETHERNGod's Plan > man's planThu Aug 22 1991 16:1148
198.252my own recent experienceTASK::GLEASONFor the glory of God!Thu Aug 22 1991 17:1836
198.253Acts 2:38 = Water baptismWMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IThu Aug 22 1991 17:3732
198.254Baptism is a faith responseWMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IThu Aug 22 1991 19:38141
198.255It in the Plan...WMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IThu Aug 22 1991 20:0145
198.256NAC::WIEBEGarth WiebeThu Aug 22 1991 20:5217
198.257Back to you, Mr. Balsamo!BSS::J_WETHERNJohn Wethern, DSNlinker @592-4557Thu Aug 22 1991 21:4644
198.258COOKIE::JANORDBYThe government got in againThu Aug 22 1991 21:5811
198.260what changed?MRKTNG::PULKSTENISLove mercyFri Aug 23 1991 12:5750
198.261Several commentsREDBRD::TAYLORMark Taylor, St. LouisFri Aug 23 1991 13:36133
198.262The Bible is far from silent on the issue ofBaptismWMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IFri Aug 23 1991 14:3134
198.263NAC::WIEBEGarth WiebeFri Aug 23 1991 15:119
198.264LEDS::LOPEZ...A River...bright as crystalFri Aug 23 1991 15:4310
198.265It is you who is limiting GodWMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IFri Aug 23 1991 15:4579
198.266NAC::WIEBEGarth WiebeFri Aug 23 1991 15:513
198.267It may be that the Apostle Paul wasn't saved because he put baptism after salvation not equal to it.TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersFri Aug 23 1991 16:4471
198.268I'm done. Let the Bible speak for itselfWMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IFri Aug 23 1991 17:14123
198.269Running out of timeWMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IFri Aug 23 1991 17:3219
198.270TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersFri Aug 23 1991 17:598
198.271KAOFS::MUNROEFri Aug 23 1991 18:024
198.272COOKIE::JANORDBYThe government got in againFri Aug 23 1991 18:248
198.273WMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IFri Aug 23 1991 18:4618
198.274Keep your perspectiveHOBBLE::MATTHEWSSat Aug 24 1991 05:53238
198.275Keep Your Prepositions Straight Too!RAVEN1::LEABEATERSat Aug 24 1991 08:3746
198.276Still want one answer pleaseHOTWTR::ANDRES_MESat Aug 24 1991 09:347
198.277NAC::WIEBEGarth WiebeSat Aug 24 1991 11:2256
198.278I'll wait patientlyNAC::WIEBEGarth WiebeSat Aug 24 1991 11:3613
198.279Works vs. works. vs. baptismNAC::WIEBEGarth WiebeSat Aug 24 1991 12:3733
198.280Faith vs. Works in note 925.NAC::WIEBEGarth WiebeSat Aug 24 1991 12:487
198.281COOKIE::JANORDBYThe government got in againMon Aug 26 1991 14:2210
198.282Faith Cometh By HearingYIELD::BARBIERIMon Aug 26 1991 16:0274
198.283only 50 more replies to goCSC32::LECOMPTEMARANATHA!Tue Aug 27 1991 07:537
198.284Hmmm!CSC32::LECOMPTEMARANATHA!Tue Aug 27 1991 09:5053
198.285I PETER 3:20-21, PART IRAVEN1::LEABEATERTue Aug 27 1991 10:5852
198.286I PETER 3:20-21, PART IIRAVEN1::LEABEATERTue Aug 27 1991 11:0172
198.287Whats good for the goose is....CSOA1::REEVESTue Aug 27 1991 14:3211
198.288Sticking My Neck Out Here...PINION::HACHEMy Foot Is On The RockTue Aug 27 1991 15:18113
198.289Salvation IS a free giftREDBRD::TAYLORMark Taylor, St. LouisTue Aug 27 1991 15:1910
198.290PINION::HACHEMy Foot Is On The RockTue Aug 27 1991 15:249
198.291TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersTue Aug 27 1991 15:375
198.292Relieving the TensionYIELD::BARBIERITue Aug 27 1991 15:5939
198.293A Work = People's DoingsPINION::HACHEMy Foot Is On The RockTue Aug 27 1991 16:199
198.294PINION::HACHEMy Foot Is On The RockTue Aug 27 1991 16:2110
198.295whose is the water?XANADU::FLEISCHERwithout vision the people perish (381-0899 ZKO3-2/T63)Tue Aug 27 1991 18:498
198.296Semantic ClassesRAVEN1::LEABEATERTue Aug 27 1991 19:0934
198.297Not by works, not by works, not by worksREDBRD::TAYLORMark Taylor, St. LouisTue Aug 27 1991 19:3533
198.298Testing the thesisCSOA1::REEVESTue Aug 27 1991 19:5612
198.299Somewhat of a "Rabbit Trail" . . .RAVEN1::LEABEATERWed Aug 28 1991 10:0721
198.300Water WorksTIMBER::HACHEMy Foot Is On The RockWed Aug 28 1991 10:4118
198.301James 2 does not support baptism for salvationREDBRD::TAYLORMark Taylor, St. LouisWed Aug 28 1991 12:4228
198.302PINION::HACHEMy Foot Is On The RockWed Aug 28 1991 13:3713
198.303COOKIE::JANORDBYThe government got in againWed Aug 28 1991 14:5415
198.304TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersWed Aug 28 1991 15:0715
198.305CHTP00::CHTP05::LOVIKMark LovikWed Aug 28 1991 15:2513
198.306NAC::WIEBEGarth WiebeWed Aug 28 1991 15:2712
198.307God wants Gratitude, not SlaveryREDBRD::TAYLORMark Taylor, St. LouisWed Aug 28 1991 17:3848
198.308Colossians 2:12PINION::HACHEMy Foot Is On The RockWed Aug 28 1991 19:0884
198.309be carefulXANADU::FLEISCHERwithout vision the people perish (381-0899 ZKO3-2/T63)Wed Aug 28 1991 20:0819
198.310Confession-->Baptism .ne. 'works'CSOA1::REEVESWed Aug 28 1991 20:4935
198.311My views, and some answered questionsNAC::WIEBEGarth WiebeWed Aug 28 1991 21:0993
198.312Me and that word again.SNOFS1::KAPTEYNProperty of El-Elohe-YisraelThu Aug 29 1991 04:0513
198.313CHIEFF::JENNISONTo find your life, you've got to lose itThu Aug 29 1991 11:3520
198.314Why shouldn't we assume it is a work?REDBRD::TAYLORMark Taylor, St. LouisThu Aug 29 1991 12:3918
198.315about Acts 8:36SNOFS1::KAPTEYNProperty of El-Elohe-YisraelFri Aug 30 1991 03:249
198.316Another wrinkle ?HOTWTR::ANDRES_MESmile, God loves you!Fri Aug 30 1991 07:1821
198.317Do we need another topic?RAVEN1::LEABEATERFri Aug 30 1991 09:5229
198.318TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersFri Aug 30 1991 16:277
198.319SOLVIT::KRAWIECKIYou get what He paid for!Fri Aug 30 1991 16:3113
198.320'confession' is not a side-trackCSOA1::REEVESFri Aug 30 1991 16:3357
198.321'But I don't understand'CSOA1::REEVESFri Aug 30 1991 16:5032
198.322Alternate view of Acts 8:36WMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IFri Aug 30 1991 18:1832
198.323Only FaithREDBRD::TAYLORMark Taylor, St. LouisFri Aug 30 1991 21:4550
198.324A little more for thoughtSNOFS1::KAPTEYNYahwehnissiMon Sep 02 1991 07:5930
198.325I read it carefully enoughWMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than ITue Sep 03 1991 17:1348
198.326Still waiting...NAC::WIEBEGarth WiebeTue Sep 03 1991 20:2618
198.327dropped the first 10 reallySNOFS1::KAPTEYNYahwehnissiWed Sep 04 1991 04:2912
198.328I've not forgotten...WMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IWed Sep 04 1991 12:3216
198.329Here it is, Garth!WMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IMon Sep 16 1991 19:54198
198.330NAC::WIEBEGarth WiebeMon Sep 16 1991 23:00129
198.332Objectivity shows Acts 2:38 has no time table prescriptionTOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersTue Sep 17 1991 00:3942
198.333I have no need to convince youWMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than ITue Sep 17 1991 14:5458
198.334TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersTue Sep 17 1991 19:533
198.335What about the timetable of Acts 2:38?TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersTue Sep 17 1991 20:4948
198.336What did Jesus say about Salvation?TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersTue Sep 17 1991 21:3716
198.3371 down, 2 more questions I haveNAC::WIEBEGarth WiebeWed Sep 18 1991 02:1727
198.338"Scriptural" baptism - new topic?VMSMKT::PULKSTENISHow's your light today?Wed Sep 18 1991 11:4421
198.339Timetable questionWMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IWed Sep 18 1991 14:4578
198.340Jesus did teach baptismWMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IWed Sep 18 1991 17:0243
198.341Timetable answered - impasse declared - debate may continueTOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersWed Sep 18 1991 17:1632
198.342Okay, I see where Jesus commanded it (a slip - a point to Tony) TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersWed Sep 18 1991 17:3641
198.343P.S.TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersWed Sep 18 1991 17:407
198.344Something to ponder...WMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IWed Sep 18 1991 18:5628
198.345Thank *YOU*!!!WMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IWed Sep 18 1991 19:4822
198.346The "only valid baptism" questionNAC::WIEBEGarth WiebeThu Sep 19 1991 09:4037
198.347Nothing in Mk 16:16 implies 'a sign to show belief'WMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IThu Sep 19 1991 13:5435
198.348Poor choice of wordsWMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IThu Sep 19 1991 14:0315
198.349Only through the death & resurrection of ChristREDBRD::TAYLORMark Taylor, St. LouisThu Sep 19 1991 14:3221
198.350Some clarification...hopefullyWMOIS::BALSAMO_AThe Rock that is higher than IThu Sep 19 1991 19:5540
198.351TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersThu Sep 19 1991 20:0113
198.352Four baptisms? How are they different and why? (I need the pointer)TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersThu Sep 19 1991 20:0817
198.353NAC::WIEBEGarth WiebeFri Sep 20 1991 12:373
198.354Okay, so I did my homework finally (P.S. Thanks for the pointer in -.1)TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersFri Sep 20 1991 15:34366
198.355The other side of the coinCSOA1::REEVESMon Sep 23 1991 14:5775
198.356TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersMon Sep 23 1991 15:5255
198.357NAC::WIEBEGarth WiebeMon Sep 23 1991 16:1726
198.358Baptism just a "sign"CSOA1::REEVESMon Sep 30 1991 13:2033
198.359TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersMon Sep 30 1991 14:3026
198.360We'll let it rest.CSOA1::REEVESMon Sep 30 1991 18:429