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Conference asd::snowmobiles

Title:snowmobiles
Notice:DECride96-552, Ads-4, Comm-257, Trailers-159, DECride97-589
Moderator:TROOA::SCHABEL
Created:Thu Sep 27 1990
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:635
Total number of notes:13711

63.0. "A C PANTERA INFO" by FSHQA2::DBROSNIHAN () Fri Jan 06 1989 16:53

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63.1A little work now = a season of funDRUID::CHACEwinter's coming, so let's enjoy it!Fri Jan 06 1989 18:5662
63.2Oooops I forgot ---- Use DrygasDRUID::CHACEwinter's coming, so let's enjoy it!Fri Jan 06 1989 19:0111
63.3thanksFSHQA2::DBROSNIHANFri Jan 06 1989 19:1210
63.4check-listFSHQA2::DBROSNIHANMon Jan 09 1989 12:314
63.5There are shims between the fan pulley halvesDRUID::CHACEwinter's coming, so let's enjoy it!Mon Jan 09 1989 12:5813
63.6can anyone help?KDCA03::CDCUP_GREENEWed Jan 22 1997 10:3512
63.7Main jet?ZEKE::BENTWed Jan 22 1997 11:3319
63.8KDCA03::CDCUP_GREENEWed Jan 22 1997 13:4212
63.9Belt TOOOOO shortZEKE::BENTWed Jan 22 1997 15:4724
63.10a couple of quetions.KDCA01::CDCUP_GREENETue Jan 28 1997 16:3010
    I also had a question about doing a compression check
    on my Pantera 500. Is there a certain pound pressure 
    it should be checked at or is there a certain amount
    of pulls to roll the motor over. ? 
    I just want to check the compression to make sure everything
    is o.k. Any help is greatly appreciated.
    
    Thanks in advance,
    
    Chris
63.11try thisPTOSS1::MATSCHERZTue Jan 28 1997 18:139
    First rule of thumb is that you should run the engine till hot and then
    check the compression. If you do it cold then you'll get false readings
    as to how good the thing is.  If it is a stock engine (no head cuts or
    mods) then you should see somewhere around 125 on the compression
    tester.  I'd start worrying about anything less than 95 lbs.  I've
    heard that some old SRV's do run low compression but who knows. I've
    never owned one.
    l8tr..
    stevemm
63.12TROOA::SCHABELKlatter-motor-pilotTue Jan 28 1997 18:336
    Usually as long as the difference in readings is within 5 or 10 percent
    of each other from cylinder to cylinder, you should be okay. Anything
    more usually means a ring/cylinder/seal/gasket/piston/reed problem.
    
    Later,
      snowman 
63.13slowly learning...KDCA03::CDCUP_GREENEWed Jan 29 1997 10:1014
    Thanks for the info. guys. I am going to test
    it tonight. 
    I was ripping around on the sled lastnight, and it
    ran really good. Mind you it was -24 celcius that is.
    I just think that these older Pantera's need the cold 
    weather to run effectivly. If it was say 0 - minus 10
    celcius it will not run as good. I guess it is like
    that for most fan cooled engines ? 
    Anyway it can't hurt doing a compression test on it
    every now and then.
    
    Thanks again,
    
    Chris
63.14CPEEDY::PRINDLEWed Jan 29 1997 17:195
When you do the test make sure you hold the throttle wide open while yanking
on the rope, or if your lucky, turning the key.

Wayne

63.15???BIGQ::HAWKEWed Jan 29 1997 17:354
    why
    
    
    		curious
63.16SOLVIT::MEREDITHanother hill? ughWed Jan 29 1997 17:535
    with the throttle open you get the maximun air charge in the fewest
    numbers of rotations. With the throttle closed you'll get a smaller
    reading.
    
    Tap
63.17KDCA03::CDCUP_GREENEWed Jan 29 1997 18:007
    Thanks for the tip, I was actually told this by
    another buddy. I wasn't sure why at first but now
    i know.
    
    Thanks
    
    Chris
63.18more questionsBIGQ::HAWKEWed Jan 29 1997 18:027
    Would the engine still produce a max psi (albeit maybe in more
    rotations) that is the same as with the throttle open ??  or if
    the carbs weren't balanced would that contribute to uneven cylinder
    pressures ? assuming a twin or more...
    
    
    		Dean
63.19a little more...SOLVIT::MEREDITHanother hill? ughWed Jan 29 1997 18:0322
    BTW, a two stroke engine is not that sensitive to compression. A
    compression test is a valid 4-stroke evaluation, but marginal on
    a two stroke. As noted earlier, a two stroke will run and idle with
    80-90PSI. 
    
    A 4 stroke engine is efficient only if there is "good" sealing. A two
    stroke is far less efficient and doesnot need the same level of "good" 
    sealing. Its power is derived from moving lots of mixture and igniting
    "some" of it. (this explains poorer fuel economy and horrific
    emmisions)
    
    Crank sealing is only important from a "mixture" perspective. That is
    if the crank seals leak, they allow air leaks that change the 
    fuel-to-air mixture. So a vacuum test is much more important. If 
    you doubt the compression and feel the rings/piston/bore is worn, then
    measurement of clearances and out of round yield much better
    information than a "compression test".
    
    
    $.02
    
    Tap