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| 465.1 | Where bug? | CUPOLA::HAKKARAINEN | with hasty reverence | Thu Jun 04 1987 12:30 | 4 |
| Could you elaborate on what you expect Document to do? If Document
is keeping the <space>,word sequence intact, I can't fault it for
that. The output may look strange, but only because Document is
doing what the writer told it to do.
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| 465.2 | Clarification | FNYFS::WYNFORD | The Rented Loony | Thu Jun 04 1987 13:28 | 14 |
| Re: .1
Sure. DOCUMENT should be correcting faulty usage in this case -
it removes unwanted space elsewhere automatically. Punctuation rules
should be part of the functionality, just as hyphenation rules are.
A lot of people have little or no idea of where to put these spaces
so when you produce a nice-looking document with the spaces wrongly
placed you diminish the impact of the document and may even create
an adverse impression.
Therefore, words and punctuation "elements" should be separated,
processed and put back together.
Gavin
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| 465.3 | Thanks, but no thanks | CUPOLA::HAKKARAINEN | with hasty reverence | Thu Jun 04 1987 14:03 | 11 |
| I'd rather not have Document spend the time checking commas. Instead,
perhaps this could be a part of the editing environment. Just as we
can call a spelling checker to verify that we've written our words
correctly, so, too, could we have a TPU routine that corrects the
<space>,word construction.
Hyphenation is a different matter. The rules and exceptions are
applied only when it is necessary to hyphenate, which is not every
time that a word is encountered. It's a judgment best left to the
composition system, on that particular run.
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| 465.4 | | MARTY::FRIEDMAN | | Thu Jun 04 1987 14:06 | 6 |
| The next step would be to have DOCUMENT/AUTOPILOT to write books
all by itself.
Just kidding...
Marty
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| 465.5 | Please add to wishlist - here or elsewhere | FNYFS::WYNFORD | The Rented Loony | Thu Jun 04 1987 15:44 | 15 |
| Given that the apparent aim of DOCUMENT is to allow the author to
write and not have to concentrate on the layout down to the minutae
then requiring him/her to remember these things goes contrary to
this aim.
Maybe we should only give DOCUMENT to people who know how to write.
:-)
BTW, the computerised composition at the Times had no problems doing
this and that ran on HP1000s from the dark ages!
Gavin
(I seem to be having a "let's attack DOCUMENT" week - sorry... I
must be getting heightened expectations as each release becomes
better and better. :-) )
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| 465.6 | added | CLOSET::ANKLAM | | Thu Jun 04 1987 17:41 | 16 |
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DOCUMENT has been undergoing an audit for internationalization,
and we've already received a number of requirements. I expect that
the ability to handle commas using the French Convention will be
on the list. How we do it, I'm not yet sure. It is something that
could (possibly) be handled in the local strings translation file,
i.e. you would change
' ,' to '~,' (where ~ is TeX's tie character which prohibits line
breaks).
I haven't tried this and I don't guarantee it; it's just one way
I might choose to look at the problem.
patti
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| 465.7 | | CLOSET::ADLER | | Fri Jun 05 1987 18:02 | 5 |
| There are really two problems in the case of "word<space>,word".
The first is getting rid of the space before the comma, and the second is
adding space after the comma. We'd have to look at both.
--Brian
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| 465.8 | Before you get carried away with mods.. | FNYFS::WYNFORD | The Rented Loony | Tue Jun 09 1987 12:59 | 10 |
| It seems, upon further investigation, that the French *printed*
style is like the US/UK style: word, <space>word. It is only some
French people who *type* in the other manner.
Given that DOCUMENT already removes spaces at some point, could
the punctuation adjustment not take place at the same time?
I think I've laboured the point enough... :-)
Gavin
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