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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

382.0. "VIDA for Oracle" by ODIXIE::CALLOWAY () Fri Jun 30 1989 01:20

    Can someone tell me if VIDA for ORACLE is a product. If so can we
    discuss it with customers? Is there an SPD in notes?  I'm confused
    as to whether or not the product is being developed or not.
    
    Thanks for all replies.
    
    Larry
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382.1ACESMK::CHELSEAMostly harmless.Fri Jun 30 1989 02:495
    VIDA with ORACLE is not currently a product.  I think everyone is
    confused as to whether or not the product is being developed .... 
    Anyway, *if* it is being developed, it's certainly not at the point
    that it can be discussed with customers -- unless there's been a
    program announcement that I missed.
382.2OTHER PRODUCTS ORACLE-RDB?DIXIE1::CALLOWAYFri Jun 30 1989 21:466
    ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY PRODUCT FROM DIGITAL OR 3RD PARTY VENDOR WHICH
    WILL ALLOW A CUSTOMER TO EXTRACT RECORDS FROM AN ORACLE DB AND LOAD
    THEM INTO AN RDB DATABASE?
    
    THANKS,
    LARRY
382.3Available NowQUILL::BOOTHWhat am I?...An Oracle?Fri Jun 30 1989 21:578
    There is no VIDA for Oracle. Where do these stories get started?
    
    You can currently use either Access/Star from DB/ACCESS in California
    or SmartStar from SmartStar Corp (formerly Signal Technology). Both
    will access Rdb and Oracle. There is no need for a VIDA product to do
    this.
    
    ---- Michael Booth
382.4Oracle Access ProductsODIXIE::CALLOWAYSat Jul 01 1989 00:1410
    
    Micheal,
    
    Is there any information in the system on the products ACCESS/STAR
    or SMARTSTAR?  Do we have agreements with DB/ACCESS or SMARTSTAR?
    Are we recommending these products to our customers?
    
    Thanks,
    Larry
    
382.5AnswersSELL::BOOTHWhat am I?...An Oracle?Sat Jul 01 1989 00:3210
    SmartStar is a CMP. Their number is 800-235-5787.
    DB/Access has no formal relationship with Digital. However, you have
    probably seen all the hype that Cognos is pouring into its new StarBase
    and StarGate products that will "connect PowerHouse on different
    hardware technologies." The StarGate connectivity was largely achieved
    by packaging a lot of DB/Access capabilities into StarGate.
    
    DB/Access is 408-255-2920.
    
    ---- Michael Booth
382.6New product --> VIDA for DEC Salesmen ?CSOA1::CARLOTTII have an Erie feeling about this...Sat Jul 01 1989 00:5710
Re: .3

>>>    There is no VIDA for Oracle. Where do these stories get started?

Within the past year, the Field was asked by the VIDA product group what 
sort of need/acceptance there would be for a "VIDA for Oracle" product.  

It appears they were at least considering it at one point.

Rick C
382.7THIS IS NOT THE PLACECOOKIE::BERENSONVAX Rdb/VMS VeteranSat Jul 01 1989 03:4910
>Within the past year, the Field was asked by the VIDA product group what 
>sort of need/acceptance there would be for a "VIDA for Oracle" product.  

Considering it or not, no such product has been announced or program
announced and therefore it does not exist.  Most importantly, even the
potential existance of such a product should not be discussed in an
unrestricted notes conference.

If you need to discuss the need for a "VIDA for Oracle" you should
contact DBS Product Management.
382.8Sorry...CSOA1::CARLOTTII have an Erie feeling about this...Wed Jul 05 1989 19:432
I didn't mean to imply that there is such a product or program.  I was just 
responding to Michael's question about how such a story got started.
382.9VIDA for ORACLETRNAF1::QUAGLIAThu Jul 13 1989 17:38244
382.10I am ready to field test an Oracle conversion toolKYOA::KOCHYes, Ed Koch is my brother...Thu Jul 13 1989 18:168
	I like what this says. I agree wholeheartedly that we need tools to 
allow customers to convert from Oracle to Rdb. I can use such a tool right 
now. The memo is correct is that VIDA for Oracle would endorse Oracle and 
severely damage our strategy. I can see the viability of supporting VIDA for 
IBM since they are bigger than Digital, but to endorse a vendor who is 
smaller than us is like handing them cash from Digital's bank account. Let's 
get rolling on the robust conversion tools. I think I could give you a field 
test site right now.
382.11More IdeasQUILL::BOOTHWhat am I?...An Oracle?Fri Jul 14 1989 01:4912
    To continue this a little, by market share numbers, the next target
    should be SQL/DS on the IBM side. Beyond that, everyone on the IBM side
    is a very minor player (well less than 10%).
    
    Then, how about HP Image, Turbo Image, and the new ALLBASE. Since HP
    owns right at 80% of its database market, and HP equipment and
    applications are almost universally involved at Digital sites, such
    interoperability would be of great assistance to us, and also should be
    relatively easy to position since HP has such substantial market share
    in their installed base.
    
    ---- Michael Booth
382.12SQLRUS::CAMERONTue Dec 12 1989 08:293
There is an RSVP company that has an Oracle to Rdb database converter.

Saw it at duit
382.13TRIFOX ToolsSQLRUS::THOMASTue Apr 10 1990 00:3419
    The RSVP company mentioned in .12 is TRIFOX.  
    
    TRIFOX has a nice 4GL product with the look and feel of Oracle's
    SQL*Forms.  The product is called TRIM/APP, and they have a report
    writer called TRIM/RPT.  TRIM/APP and TRIM/RPT can access both
    ORACLE and Rdb/VMS.  TRIFOX also developed QMX, the QMF-like query
    tool now available from Oracle.  Unfortunately, QMX does not work
    with Rdb.
    
    In their efforts to win more TRIM/APP accounts, TRIFOX has developed
    a SQL*Forms --> TRIM/APP application converter.  This product was
    displayed at DU:IT.  SQL*Forms ORACLE applications can be converted
    to TRIM/APP applications.  TRIM/APP applications can access both
    ORACLE and Rdb.  TRIFOX is currently modifying their product to
    support DECforms.  Their converter will be able to convert SQL*Forms
    applications to TRIM/APP applications using DECforms, thereby losing 
    the look and feel of SQL*Forms.
    
    For more information about TRIFOX, contact Chuck (NOVA::) Stata.