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Conference ulysse::rdb_vms_competition

Title:DEC Rdb against the World
Moderator:HERON::GODFRIND
Created:Fri Jun 12 1987
Last Modified:Thu Feb 23 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1348
Total number of notes:5438

17.0. "4GL Competition" by SIBYL::HENRY () Wed Jul 15 1987 22:29

    Hi,
    
    Maybe this is the wrong place, but!
    Anyone point me to comparative/competetive analyses of some/any
    of the following
    
    	FOCUS, POWERHOUSE, SMARTSTAR, ULTRA/MANTIS,
    	APPLICATION FACTORY
    
    Any help would be a great help - is there any marketing out there.
    
    Regards
    Jim Henry.
    
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17.1Have a look at 4GL::RALLYBISTRO::KIRKArea (Europe) Field Support Group, ValbonneThu Jul 16 1987 14:204
    Take a look at the Rally conference (4GL::RALLY), since there are
    a variety of interesting articles.
    
    Richard
17.2Internal bookletVIRGO::RINKUSTue Jul 28 1987 00:3313
    
    Application Tools for Information Systems produced by the ISBG group
    would be a good starting point. Order number is EG 2895486 08 5.0.
    Booklet is approx a year old but provides a lot of information on
    the products you mentioned (except Application Factory). You may
    also want to check out the "industry watchers" like Gartner Group
    at a local market research center.
    
    By the way ISBG has a hotline number 8-297-4262.
    
    Hope this helps.
    
    				-paul r.
17.3RALLY vs....KIM::PENNINGTONTue Jul 28 1987 23:402
    There is a good comparison of Rally and Powerhouse in note 321 of
    the Rally conference (4GL::RALLY).
17.4A look into the Core...BMT::TIMMINSThu Aug 13 1987 22:5539
    re .2
    
    As an ex-Gartner Groupie (SMS), I looked at Cortex quite a bit.
    I have quite a bit of their documentation, perhaps you could 
    contact me at 333-6771 (dtn) or BMT::TIMMINS.  
    
    re .0
    
    The application factory (TAF) had proven itself at a good number	
    of accounts.  TAF provided for for rapid development (3-4
    months) of applications once the shop understood the methodology
    required and the users committed having key users available to the
    developers from about 2 weeks into the process (for about 2 months).
    
    I've also seen the Corvision follow-on product to TAF.  It was delayed
    from its original release date (Jan 87) and I don't know where it
    stands right now.  However, the intent of the tool was to combine
    the so-called "CASE" graphic analysis/design tools with code
    generation.  The knock-off on Cortex is that the early releases
    only produced its own "Builder" 4GL as output. 
    
    Cortex has agreements with NCR (port to its Unix and produce C code
    versus Builder), and DuPont who will foot the bills for the majority
    of the development effort.  NCR wants the product across its three
    major computing line, although Unix is still first.  DuPont spun
    off a separate subsidiary, Information Engineeing Associates, that
    specialized in developing fixed-priced applications with 90-120
    days.  This consultanting organization will make a big difference
    between Cortex and Powerhouse, Signal Technology, etc.  
    
    Cortex's philosophy was to address Digital (VMS), then UNIX, then
    386PC (OS/2, etc.).  The intent of these initiatives is to become
    the leading distributed development methodology vendor complete
    with the tools necessary to pull it off.  At the Gartner Group,
    this type of statement is usually put under the heading of SSVH
    or Self Serving Vendor Hype.
    
    - Larry T., Financial Solutions Center