Conference vaxuum::online_bookbuilding

    Very nice! When the Bookreader supports master indexes, can we count on
    you to provide one? 
                        8^)
    Ross

	... where you got the SOURCE files for that?!?!?!?

	... but it's a little dry without the fancy pictures like in my family
Bible at home! >:)

	BTW, Alfred, what kind of node is CVG::?  I used a logical to point to
it in the SHELF file, and performance was very acceptable!  Promise not use it
except during the "break" hours.  Also WHERE is CVG::  Cincinnati?  (airport/VOR
designator is CVG, I think).

    Yes a master index would be nice to have. I thought about building
    it as one book for that reason but put it aside as I don't really
    have time to do index work on it. Perhaps later.

    The source came from an RMS index version that has been on the net
    for a while. It had a verse in each record with the book, chapter and
    verse as the key. It was a SMOP to build a program to read the RMS
    file and build properly formatted SDML files. Though there is still
    a bug and a few books have the first chapter as part of the preface.
    I plan to fix it and rebuild the books over night.

    CVG is a cluster (2 6220s and about 12-14 workstations) in Salem NH.
    CVG stands for Cluster Validation Group.

    The copyright is rather cute but you realize that the Bookreader
    edition can be legitimately copyrighted. Personally I think it makes
    a good OOTB application. Though it would be better with some sort
    of indexing, cross references, and footnotes. Anyone want to fund
    a Bible scholar? :-) (Not that I'm one.)

    			Alfred

    Oh almost forgot. Pictures. Wouldn't that be nice? I don't
    suppose anyone has any appropriate images that aren't
    someone elses copyright?

    I'll take other suggestions as time permits to. Send mail though
    as I don't follow this conference all that regularly right now.


    			Alfred

>                <<< Note 127.1 by AITG::WARNER "Ross Warner" >>>
>                           -< waiting for the index >-
>
>    Very nice! When the Bookreader supports master indexes, can we count on
>    you to provide one? 
>                        8^)
>    Ross

    An index is in the works if people are interested. Across the 66 books
    I've got about 51,000 index entries. So far I've got the As,Bs, and Cs
    with a few random words that start with other letters. When master
    indexes are supported I can probably be counted on to do one. We'll
    see. Any idea if there is a top end to how many index entries one can
    have in a book? (In case I decide to try and merge all 66 into one
    rather large book.)

    			Alfred

    That's great; sounds like a lot of work.
    
    How does it happen that you have As, Bs, and Cs? I would
    think that you'd go through the books sequentially, indexing
    what you find. Do I detect some kind of automated process
    here?
    
    -Ross
    
    P.S. <X>(Lilies <XS>of the field)

    RE: .8 Yes you detect some sort of automated process. The source
    file I start with is an indexed file (key is book,chapter,verse).
    I have a program that reads this file and produces an SDML. For
    each verse I break it down into words and then determine if any 
    of the words in the verse matches any of the words in my "hit list".
    If it does I create an <x> record. The index record includes the
    three words before and after the "hit" word for context. I also put
    the book/chap/verse in it. The word itself is italicized. Sample line:

<x>(DAY<xs>Until the <emphasis>(day) in which he;Acts   1:2)

    It's somewhat crude but seems to work fairly well. It beats making
    a lifework out of indexing by hand. The "hit list" is an ascii file,
    one word per line. I'm finding the words for it from a concordance I
    have plus some other words I want to make sure are in it. Last night
    I added Ds and Es. It gets tiresome as I'm not a great typist so I
    just do a little at a time.

    		Alfred

    RE .7:
    
    The VAX DOCUMENT indexing gurus report that "the maximum number of
    entries is dynamic and based on the amount of memory available to
    the process." The VMS docset master index is our biggest test case
    so the maximum is that number of entries plus however many it takes
    until your process runs out of memory.
    
    Mary

    RE: .10 Sounds good. I don't think I'll have more then 250,000
    entries when I'm done.
    
    		Alfred

    RE .11:
    
    NB: .10 refers to the limits of the VAX DOCUMENT indexing software for
    hardcopy output. The Bookreader does not, as yet, support master
    indexes. The goal, of course, is to provide the same support for online
    master indexes as for hardcopy, but it is hard to make assertions about
    undeveloped, untested software...:-)
    
    Mary
    

    RE: .10 Hum, I'm running out of memory already it seems. Even
    without trying to do a master index. My systems VIRTUALPAGECNT
    is only 600,000 and PGLFQUOTA is only 110,000. Any idea how
    high I'll have to raise them? I don't have much over 8800 index
    entries. (Is that considered alot? I have no idea.)

    It appears to build the index and table of context ok. I get the
    insufficient virtual memory message while document is trying to
    put the whole book together. I looked through CLOSET::DOCUMENT
    and it looks like I should be ok. Ideas?

    		Alfred

    I posted a note in the Document conference and someone looked
    at my DVI files. I'm told I've run up against an internal limit.
    For me it happens after about 7600 index entries. I may try and
    simplify them but I suspect it's the raw number that is the problem.
    
    I guess I will not bother trying to put them all into one book.
    If 7600 doesn't fit, 218,000 probably will not either. I may try
    building a hard copy version just for the fun of it though. It
    may be interesting to see if the limits are the same. (I'm not
    about to try and print it though.)
    
    		Alfred

	Assuming you've actually using the Bookreader Bible you've
	probably run into a situation where you wanted to look up a
	reference. Now if you knew what book the reference was in it
	was fairly easy. You just used the index in the book. If you 
	didn't know what book it was in you had to go book by book.
	Or wait until you could get to a paper Bible. Or you just
	gave up. Well that may all change for you now. 

	An online whole Bible concordance now exists and can be yours
	for the cost of copying about 77,500 blocks worth of files to
	your local DECW$BOOK: device. 

	The concordance consists of a BIBLE_INDEX.DECW$BOOKSHELF file
	and 25 letter books (no "X" entries right now. Should there be?).
        You may copy all these files using the command:

	$ COPY CVG""::DECW$BOOK:BIBLE_INDEX*.DECW* DECW$BOOK:

	Although I'd use FTSV (SPOOL) as this will take a while. Then add
	the line

SHELF\BIBLE_INDEX\Whole Bible Concordance (For The Authorized Translation)

	To the top level Bible DECW$BOOK file. You should then be all set.

	Unfortunately you can't click on one of these entries and jump
	right to the verse in the Bible Book itself but at least you
	can find pointers easier. 

	Comments on this and the Bookreader Bible are always welcome.

		Regards,
		Alfred CVG::THOMPSON