[Search for users] [Overall Top Noters] [List of all Conferences] [Download this site]

Conference koolit::vms_curriculum

Title:VMS Curriculum
Moderator:SUPER::MARSH
Created:Thu Nov 01 1990
Last Modified:Sun Aug 25 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:185
Total number of notes:2026

54.0. "SYSNET I CHAP 3 REVIEW" by SUPER::REGNELL (Smile!--Payback is a MOTHER!) Tue Mar 19 1991 17:34

    
T.RTitleUserPersonal
Name
DateLines
54.1Chapter 3 ViewsDLO10::TARLINGWed May 08 1991 17:0017
    Val, Kristin;
      
    1. Page 1-6, It may be helpful to point out that filename and type 
       can be from 0-39 characters. 
     
    2. Page 1-10, Would like to see MFD,UFD,SFD defined on this page.
      
    3. Page 1-12, The use of common incorrect examples is a desired
       feature in the SG.
     
    4. Page 1-14a, I agree, it would be helpful to make a drawing of
       the directory structure. Could this be incluided in the SG?
     
    5. Basically a good chapter.
      
    Arnold.
    
54.2The view from the UKUKEDU::SHONEKeith Shone @RKA 830-4074Fri May 10 1991 09:2963
   Module: Naming and Storing Files

   My views - not necessarily those of my colleagues.

   Some of these comments I've made elsewhere - I think.

   General comments:
	My thanks to Kristin for incorporating some of my
	suggestions. (e.g. Page 1-6a on alternative directory
	delimiters). That goes for other modules too, even
	if I omit to mention it.
   
   
   Page	    Comment

   1-6	    Tempted to mention that a file could have a name:
	    .;1 - indeed system managers will probably get
	    queries from novice (and not so novice) users
	    about these odd names.

   1-9	    Line 2: another go at aspirates! "...an hierarchical..."!

   1-17	    Example 1-4 actually appears slightly differently on
	    the terminal from an output file. The file attributes
	    lines are barred to show what I mean. OK, OK I know
	    it's trivial but this new pack of nits are just itching...!


    Directory DISK$USER:[EXAMPLES]

    ADDUSER.COM;1                 File ID:  (762,7,0)          
    Size:           28/30         Owner:    [SYSTEM]
    Created:  20-JUL-1990 09:54:26.67
    Revised:  15-FEB-1991 02:45:13.81 (3)
    Expires:   <None specified>
    Backup:    8-MAY-1991 04:02:58.76
    File organization:  Sequential
|   File attributes:    Allocation: 30, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0
|			No version limit
    Record format:      Variable length, maximum 83 bytes
    Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control
    RMS attributes:     None
    Journaling enabled: None
    File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RWED, World:R
    Access Cntrl List:  None

    Total of 1 file, 28/30 blocks.

   Also Example 1-5 isn't correct:

   
    $ DIRECTORY /BRIEF SYS$EXAMPLES:ADDUSER.COM

    Directory DISK$USER:[EXAMPLES]

    ADDUSER.COM;1       

    Total of 1 file.
    $
   
   OK, the directory spec itself is different - that's our
   system. But the protection code is not present either.
   (This is from VMS 5.4-2). Checked synonyms for D*IRECTORY?
54.3view of HollandNWGEDU::WIERSMADrive a BENTLEY or walk...Mon May 13 1991 20:0128
Review chapter:

	NAMING AND STORING FILES

Page 1-8:  Mention the /LOG qualifier in the examples of COPY.

Page 1-9: Last bullet. An extra one. Has the filetype (extension) .DIR

Page 1-11: Use a clearly layout. It coast me to much time to find all the
	   filenames together.
	   Why not filenames like ABC.TXT      .LOG   and a view .MAI
                                     .FOR      .LIS
                                     .DATA     .COM

Page 1-12: fourth bullet second example.
           Only valid if your default directory is $1$DUA1:[ROUNDS]

Page 1-13: Last new line.
            
           $SHOW DEFAULT (same as $set default. BOLD)

Page 1-17: Why not using a more easy to understand file like LOGIN.COM in a
	   normal directory. 

Page 1-18: Missing the syntax $DIRECTORY [...]

Doei Arjen
    
54.4many changesTEACH::CHUCKSat Jun 01 1991 03:4339
         	module 3:   Page 1-5/6  In addition to this, I
         		    would add the page in VMS operator that
         		    explains the file specifications by
         		    comparing them to a postcard address.
         		    Please include the diagram of the
         		    postcard.

         		    Page 1-7  This is about wildcards, but
         		    the ellipsis is not mentioned here, or
         		    elsewhere, in this module. I think it
         		    belongs and is important for users to
         		    understand its use; especially system
         		    managers.

         		    Page 1-11 is not a typical file directory
         		    with all those mail files.  It does not
         		    look normal. Let us not confuse the students
         		    and open us up to the questions "Why so
         		    many?" or "Is this normal?"

         		    Also, the topic for this page is
         		    "subdirectories". It is showing the
         		    ufd with no .dir files.  This is correct,
         		    but on the same page, it should show the
         		    same ufd after the subdirectories have
         	            been created, and the files moved to them.
         		    It could fit on the same page.  I would show
         		    page 1-11 first, then 1-10, for flow.
         		    1-10 is the graphic fix for 1-11.

         		    Page 1-13  I would talk about the SHOW
         		    DEFAULT command first. Let us see where
         		    we are before we try to go elsewhere. 

         		    Page 1-16 on.  I would add more qualifiers
         		    to the directory command.

                                     
54.5comments from DC Training centerTEACH::WENDYMon Jun 03 1991 15:1611
                        Module 3
                 Naming and storing files

1-11
     Example 1-1
         Maybe include the $Directory command in the display instead
     of just the output.


Wendy mullenhoff