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    Hi,
    
    Can we please have a pointer to the course materials for the V6 Update
    course?  I will be unable to attend the TTT and I just know I'll be
    teaching this puppy.
    
    Thanks,
    Mark Thorne

    Please let us also know when the tape will be available, part #, etc.
    
    TTT sessions are GREAT - too bad us "trainers" don't qualify - I think
    the taped session is the way to go in these cash-strapped 90's.
    
    pj

    
    I'll let Sherry know when material is available, and she can
    pass the word along. The session starts March 29, so look for
    stuff around that time.
    
    Perry

I know that this doesn't belong here.  Iposted it in net_cur.

Does anyone know wher B001 NET MGT & ADM is?

Thanks,

Chuck

    RE: .2
    
    What do you mean 'us "trainers"' don't qualify.  I assume you mean
    instructors and the announcement clearly called out instructors as part
    of the audience we are trying to get in to the TTT!
    

	Hello.

	Are there any plan of V6 update seminar for customers ?
	If not, why ?

toru

    Toru-san
    
    The train the trainer is meant to train instructors to teach both
    customer and internal version.  Perry Donham is working on the
    materials, the schedule, if my memory serves me well is around the
    middle of May.
    
    Regards
    

    
    
    What's the status of the "customer materials" that will be derived from
    these internal sessions.  It looks like next week is really the only
    week I have to prep to teach the update seminar and, though not
    crucial, it would be helpful to have the materials (even a rough
    version) to look at so I know what to emphasize or not during the
    limited prep time.
    
        Danke!
    
          GJD

    
    I asked Perry(via mail) to post a note with status information
    this morning.
    
    Ron
    

    
    
    And, where is it?  This is a serious matter for me -- next week is THE
    ONLY WEEK I have left to prep. this stuff.
    
    If it's not ready, please just say so.
    
        GJD

    Is the seminars group scheduling this and resourcing it?  The reason I
    ask is that it was our site's understanding that Seminars was
    delivering it in our geography. 
    
    I don't know if that helps Greg or not. 
    
    irene

    RE .11 Greg, Perry is working to two dates 4/27 for support training,
    5/11 for customer training.  I am still trying to get the videotapes
    out, but am waiting for the replacement for the C2 segment.
    
    RE: .12 Irene, Seminars is scheduling the dates and places and
    expecting the training centers to staff.
    
    Jack

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To All:

Thanks for the input.  I wanted to share with you the final schedule for the 
V6.0 Update seminar.  Attached is the schedule that we put together for the 
U.S.  We based the cities on sessions that were done for V5.0 and V4.0 
history.

Regards,

Jean

East
   Boston	   Jun 14	  Jul 12				      
   New York	   Jun 16	  Jul 14				      
   Rochester       Jun 18

South
   Philadelphia	   Jun 21	  Aug 2					      
   Washington	   Jun 23	  Aug 4					      
   Atlanta	   Jun 25	  Aug 6					      

West
   San Diego	   Jul 12	  Aug 9					      
   Santa Clara	   Jul 14	  Aug 11				      
   Seattle	   Jul 16	  Aug 13				      

Central
   Chicago	   Jun 28	  Aug 16				      
   Pittsburg	   Jun 30	  Aug 18				      
   Houston	   Jul 02	  Aug 20				      








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    I'm distressed by the last of communication here from the developer of
    the one-day customer update.  Can we at least have an outline of the
    material to be covered?  As I've said before (now with more urgency
    because the offerings are fast approaching) prep time is at a premium
    (actually, non-existent at this point) and I'd like to have at least
    some idea of which of the topics from the train-the-trainer session are
    going to make their way into the course.
    
        Thanks.......
    
           Greg

I'm here, Greg, just keeping my head down. Look for review copies to appear
during next week.

Here's the CPD:

EY-N444E-SO
OpenVMS VAX V6.0 Technical Update
1 day
<OV>
This course introduces new features of the OpenVMS VAX V6.0 operating
system to
experienced system managers who are planning to upgrade their OpenVMS VAX
systems to V6.0 and to other customers who wish to understand the benefits
of
V6.0 over previous versions of OpenVMS VAX.
<F>
  *  Learn new ofeatures included in OpenVMS VAX V6.0
  *  Learn installation and upgrade requriements for OpenVMS VAX 6.0
  *  Learn how OpenVMS VAX V6.0 implements C2 Security

<OB>
Upon successful completion of this course, the student should be able to:
  *  Describe enhancements to the user interface and the TPU editor.
  *  Understand how and when to use the new OpenVMS VAX V6.0 System
Management
     features.
  *  Understand the benefits of and how and when to use OpenVMS VAX V6.0
     performance enhancements. 
  *  Understand how and when to use the new OpenVMS VAX V6.0 troubleshooting
     enhancments.
  *  Describe how OpenVMS V6.0 VAX implements C2 security and understand
     how to use the new OpenVMS V6.0 VAX security utilitites.
  *  Describe programming enhancements in OpenVMS VAX V6.0

<TA>
This course is designed for experienced OpenVMS VAX V5.5 system managers and
other individuals who need to learn about OpenVMS VAX V6.0 in order to
perform
upgrade planning.

<PR>
The student should have experience managing an OpenVMS VAX V5.5 system.

<OT> 
      I.  User Enhancements
          A.  New DCL Commands
          B.  DECTPU Enhancements
          C.  EVE Enhancements
          D.  DECwindows Retirement
     II.  System Management Enhancements
          A.  Upgrade and Installation Procedures and Requirements
          B.  DCE/DTS Time Services
          C.  Layered Product Registry
          D.  VMScluster Management Enhancements
          E.  New System Messages
          F.  ISO 9669 CDROM Support
          G.  Infoserver Tape Client Support
          H.  New Hardware Support
    III.  Performance Enhancements
          A.  Extended Addressing
          B.  Virtual Balance Slots
          C.  Adaptive Pool Management
          D.  Multiple Queue Managers
          E.  VMScluster Cache
          F.  Snapshot Facility
     IV.  Troubleshooting Enhancements
          A.  CLUE Utility
          B.  ANALYZE/DISK_STRUCTURE Utility
          C.  SYSMAN Startup and Shutdown Logging
          D.  Help Message Utility
          E.  SDA SHOW POOL Command
      V.  Security Enhancements
          A.  C2 Security Implementation
          B.  New Security Management Utilities
     VI.  Programming Enhancements
          A.  New Lexical Functions
          B.  New System Services Including $SCHED
          C.  MOTIF Debugger Interface
          D.  Debugger Enhancements
<DR> 
The training locations should have the following available to run this
course:
  *  Whiteboard
  *  Overhead projector and screen

Instructor Requirements:
  *  The instructor should be familiar with OpenVMS VAX V5.5 operating 
     system management.
  *  It is recommended that the instructor has attended the OpenVMS Train
     The Trainer or has viewed the video tapes of the OpenVMS Train The
     Trainer.

    Inquiring minds need to know
    
    pj

    The tapes are expected to be orderable on June 1.  Ordering info TBS.
    

They're being edited right now (rough edit to take out all of my bad jokes
during the seminar).

Perry

    
    
    Hmmmmmm.
    
    Today is May 20.  The Train-the-trainer week was, what, 'bout 6 weeks
    ago?  More?  The tapes are just now being edited?  So, I'll order them
    the moment they become available (announced here, right?).  It'll take
    probably 2-3 weeks to get them.  I'm scheduled to teach the first
    customer seminar on June 28.  I'm going to be out of town teaching
    on-sites at least 2 and maybe as many as four weeks in the interim.  
    I just have to face it -- I'm screwed!
    
    These tapes should have been available weeks ago?  Why is it taking so
    long?
    
    I don't understand why it has taken so long for the course materials to
    get put together.  The materials surely only had to be taken from the
    handouts at the TTT sessions -- nothing new had to be written.  I
    really don't get it.
    
    And, given the time constraints, there's going to be NO TIME FOR REVIEW
    on these materials.  
    
    Sometimes I think Digital is its own worst enemy, and that disgusts me.
    
       GJD

The problem was that the session on C2 security went so badly that we
decided to redo it for the camera. Cornering the person resonsible took a
considerable amount of time (this is the same person who announced the
Friday before the seminar that he would be out of town and couldn't give
his 4-hour talk on Tuesday). We've been holding on to the seminar material
until this presentation was in the can.

We'll start posting customer seminar chapters for review today; the first
teach that I've seen scheduled is 15 June.

Perry

    Greg, a great deal of management effort was put into solving the
    problem and there shouldn't have been any effort required because it
    should have been done right the first time.
    
    

    
    
    I don't think I understand your comment, Jack.  What problem was there
    to be solved?  What should have been done right the first time?
    
    I'm still convinced there's a serious, serious flaw in the whole
    process of course development.  I was asked, by my manager, to give a
    1-2 hours sessions summarizing the TTT sessions.  I spent about 2
    hours, using DECwrite, putting together a summary of the materials we
    were given.  I can't see how the course can be more than 60-80 pages
    long, at most, and how it could take more than a few days to write.  
    
    I just don't get it.
    
    What are we, the instructors, to do if there are technical errors in
    the course?  Will there be time for review?  And, considering I'm out
    of town for the next two weeks and won't be able to look at the
    materials 'til I'm back, are you even sure there will be someone who
    will be reviewing them?
    
        GJD

    The security presentation should have been done right the first time. 
    It took an act of congress to get the tape redone.  Perry has posted
    the services package which should help.  I would like to see an
    external review, but given the past which we have debated into the
    ground, I won't hold my breath.
    
    Yes, there are problems with the process and somethings happened that I
    do not want to discuss here.  We did a lot of learning this time and
    picking the pieces up isn't fun for anyone, instructors, developers or
    product managers.  The next one will be very different.  Not much
    consolation for this trip around.
    
    Jack
    

    
    
    Thank you for the honest response.....
    
       GJD

Jack, if you ever move out of the VMS training space, leave a note in a
bottle for your successor...the things that happened this time have
happened over and over in the past, and every time we get a new funder it
happens again. I'm sure Fred Marsh could tell you all the tales.

Perry

    Perry, barring unforseen events, I plan to be here for the next ones
    and it will work better.  In August/September there will be a meeting
    with engineering and product mgt. managers to plan and get REAL
    committments.  I don't believe the problems are just from new funders,
    they are from lack of understanding of the importance of this training
    on the part of those needing to commit resources.
    

    
    
    And, unfortunately, the instructors (and the customers) are the ones
    who "pay" for these problems.....................
    
          GJD

SUPER::IDC$REVIEW:[V6-SEMINAR]SECURITY_CHAP.PS

This is for the one-day customer seminar. Please note that the final layout
will be slightly different.

Comments here or to BROWNY::MORGAN.

Regards,

Perry

SUPER::IDC$REVIEW:[V6-SEMINAR]USER-FEATURES.PS


This is the background/format that will be used for the seminar (and that
will be applied to Security)

This is a quick chapter, about ten slides.

In preparation for teaching the V6 customer seminar, you'll want to look
through the V6 New Features Guide. It's avaliable at
BULOVA::DOCD$:[BLADE_FINAL.POST]V60_NEW_FEATURES_SSB.PS

Also, BROWNY::$1$DUA2:[V6-SEMINAR] contains slides from the engineering
seminar; there won't be anythng in the customer seminar that wasn't
presented at the engineering seminar. Get 00-INDEX.TXT from the BROWNY
directory for a list of what's there.

Note that the customer seminar covers only BLADE; there's nothing on SPIA,
Alpha-Delta/Epsilon, or OMNI.

Perry

    
    	The grey background on the slides for the user features module
    	makes for a VERY LONG print job.  If this is the way the entire 
    	book is going to be, we will waste a considerable amount of time
    	and print resources.  Any chance you can put it on a white 
    	background?
    
    	Ed

Hmm, I hadn't noticed it taking any longer, but then I wasn't standing over
a printer, either. It isn't too difficult to change the background color.

The Troubleshooting chapter is about ready to post, I'll do it with a paler
background...let me know if that helps.

Perry

    
    
    On LPS20 (or better), the print time will probably be insignificantly
    greater.  On a regular ol' postscript printer -- ouch!!!!
    
    What's the motivation for the "dark" background.  I think it makes it
    harder to read.
    
    (I'll critique the course, as possible, when I return from Dallas. 
    Right now a couple of VERY demanding customers are taking precedence.)
    
       GJd

    
    	I was printing on an LPS20 (single-sided).... the time was
    	significant. It took over 30 minutes to print the 11 pages.  
    
    	Perry.... lightening the background probably won't help.  As 
    	long as there is any color in the background the printer has 
    	to map every location on the page with that color.  I think the
    	only way to speed things up is to go to a white background.
    
    	Ed

Ok, I'll redo the rest of the chapters with a white background. Pity, I
thought that the light gray looked nice, and it helped eliminate some glare.

BTW, Paul Mosteika suggested that we design overheads shaped like this:

              -----
             /     \
            /       \
           /         \
           -----------

That way they'd be square when we project them with our 'standard'
projectors...

Hey, Greg, if I had to send anyone out to handle demanding customers, it'd
definitely be you!  ;^)

Perry

    
    	The overhead shape would only work if you're projecting on a
    	screen higher than the projector.  Personally, I tend to project
    	straight ahead, either on a white board (for diagrams.. so I can
    	draw on them) or on a screen pulled down level with the projector.
    
    	Just my $.02 worth.
    
    	Ed

Yikes, it *does* take a long time to print these things. I'm going to redo
everything with a white background for review/prep, but the final version
will have a light dot background (lighter than the example posted earlier).

BTW, I've heard that the first few teaches are being cancelled due to low
enrollment.

Perry

Perry : After a few attempts using other trans-atlantic means of communication, 
	I feel free to (mis-)use Notes to contact you. With a first customer
	session of the V6 update coming up (no, not canceled, but currently
	15 enrolled), I'm still short of one set of TTT course notes...
	Any ideas ,please ...?

Moderator : I apologize for this inappropriate use of notes, and promise to 
	delete this reply in 'a few days'.

Chris.

    
    	Perry.... when you change to the light grey background (for the
    	final pass stuff), please try printing it and see how long it
    	takes before you release it.  I still think it will take a long
    	time to print because every pixel on the page has to be mapped
    	by the printer, instead of just the text/diagrams.  We sometimes
    	have to print the book more than once, and it could be very
    	time consuming.  Thanks....
    
    	Ed

SUPER::IDC$REVIEW:[V6-SEMINAR]TROUBLESHOOTING.PS

These have a white background for your printing pleasure. I'd like to know
if the number of sample CLUE output slides is too high, and if so, which
ones you might take out.

Perry

SUPER::IDC$REVIEW:[V6-SEMINAR]PERFORMANCE-ENHANCEMENTS.PS is the
performance enhancements section. It includes:

	o Extended addressing
	o Virtual balance slots
	o Adaptive pool management
	o Multiple queue managers
	o Virtual I/O cache
	o Snapshot utility

A bit of cleanup is necessary in the memory slides; I could use some
suggestions on how better to present that information (right now it's
divided between physical and virtual extensions).

This chapter and the security chapter comrpise the bulk of the course, I'd
say about 80%. The remainder, which I'll post later today, is bits and
pieces.

Perry

The 'white' version of the security chapter is at
SUPER::IDC$REVIEW:[V6-SEMINAR]SECURITY.PS; this one is in the proper
format, as well.

Also look for SYSMAN.PS in the same directory, which is about ten pages of
miscellaneous system management features.

Perry

    
    
    I've read through the modules that are ready (there's still a module on
    programming issues coming, right?) and really don't have much to say
    about the materials.  
    
    I'm not sure that there's really enough meat there to last a whole day. 
    There are lots of pages, but when I think about what they'll look like
    when blown up to real 8.5x11 size, there's not a lot of material.
    
    There are numerous typographical errors -- spelling, grammar, missing
    blanks, etc.  I don't have time to point them out here and will assume
    that they will be fixed by the time the materials "go to press".
    
    When will the "real" materials (as opposed to the annotated materials)
    be made available on-line.  I'm teaching this thing for the first time
    in about 2 weeks and need time to get transparencies made.
    
          Greg

I think it will be a 3/4 day seminar. Really the only two 'big' changes are
to security and memory management, and there's quite a lot of info on those
two subjects to work with.

Five of the edited student modules are ready now; I'll post them in
SUPER::IDC$REVIEW:[V6-SEMINAR.STUDENT] for those of you who want to make
slides. The security chapter is still in edit, it should be done tomorrow,
and then I'll post it.

BTW, I scrapped the idea of the tinted backgrounds, lots of folks
complained about print time, and really they look fine without it.

Perry

Oh, the programming module was posted, it's in
SUPER::IDC$REVIEW:[V6-SEMINAR]PROGRAMMING.PS. I must not have announced it.

P

    Re  .44 and .45
    
    It's interesting to see that you think there is only enough info for a
    3/4 day seminar.  A few weeks ago, we decided (in the UK) that the
    OpenVMS XXX technical update seminar would be an ideal forum to
    introduce OpenVMS AXP and the AXP architecture to existing VAX
    system managers.  We decided to use the N444 material being produced by
    Perry and add 1-2 hours worth of AXP info.  At that time we had no idea
    whether the N444 material would occupy a full day, but would have pared
    it down a bit to fit in the AXP stuff if necessary.  It looks as though
    that won't be necessary! 
    
    I'm half way through doing the AXP bits with DECpresent to add as a
    separate session in the one-dayers we've got scheduled in the UK. 
    
    If anyone's interested, the reasons we're taking this approach are:
    
    The great majority of existing VAX system managers know little or 
    nothing about AXP systems and software but there is not enough info 
    to provide even a half day seminar of interest to most customers.
    
    We're hoping that the AXP system info will attract people who may be
    undecided about attending "just another VMS update seminar".
    

I think that the length will greatly depend on how interested the
instructor/students are in C2 security and the performance enhancements
(adaptive pool, disk cache, etc.), and on how well the instructor is
prepared to teach. The VMS material could easily take an entire day if
interest is high.

I've seen a similar situation in Sysnet, where one instructor essentially
read the IG for an entire chapter to the class, and it took about an hour.
A different instructor, with a differnt skill set, took nearly an entire
day on the chapter. Neither was correct, I think, but it shows the amount
of control that the instructor has over the flow of the course.

I'd really appreciate it if, after you teach the seminar, you enter any
questions (and answers!) that you fielded from the class. That will help
other instructors prepare, and will help course development when we design
the next seminar.

Regards,

Perry

We just submitted the seminar to release engineering. The submitted version
of the student workbook is available at
SUPER::IDC$REVIEW:[V6-SEMINAR]EY-N444E-SG-0001.PS for those of you who want
to see the entire book. It's 174 pages.

The instructor guide is also 174 pages and is in the same directory,
EY-N444E-IG-0001.PS.

Please note that there may be some minor changes as a result of the release
engineering process; the final version will be posted a soon as it is
blessed by RE.

Regards,

Perry

    Geoff, we thought about this approach previously and decided against it
    for reasons that are now more or less obsolete.  We also ran out of
    funding.  I appreciate your offer to make your materials available to
    others.
    
    Jack 

    Re .47 and .50.
    
    I'm happy for anyone who wants to use the DECpresent slides I'm putting
    together on the AXP info to help themselves, BUT, as I mentioned in
    .47, I'm only half way through them.  With my current teach load
    (off site next week), I don't anticipate finishing them for about
    another two weeks: I'll do my best to have them available by the 25th 
    June.
    
    I'll post the location here when they're ready.
    
    Geoff

    
    
    I hope this discussion doesn't become moot -- all of the offerings of
    N444 for June have been canceled.
    
       GJD

    I just printed out the N444 student materials and have a few questions.

    Is this the material for the internal training or the customer
    training? In the original plans (Re. .-x) different handouts were to
    come.

    The layout of the material looks, well, quite different for our usual 
    course doc. Is this still preliminary or final? What with all the
    "Information Mapping" niceties?

    In view of the nature of this seminar, namely a functionality update of
    VMS, it would be nice if the participants could take home something
    they can use afterwards. For this purpose, a table of contents at the
    beginning and an index at the end would be most useful.
    
    Can we still expect some labs (or demos), or do we make them up
    ourselves?

    Re. .-1 :
    >                                -- all of the offerings of
    > N444 for June have been canceled.

    As this may be true for the "large" country you're speaking for, in our
    "small" country we have 17 (customer) enrollments so far for my first
    teach June 25.

    Chris.
    

>    The layout of the material looks, well, quite different for our usual 
>    course doc. Is this still preliminary or final? What with all the
>    "Information Mapping" niceties?


The material in SUPER::IDC$REVIEW:[V6-SEMINAR]EY*.PS is in final form; this
is the customer (1-day) seminar.

I think that you'll find this format is easier to teach than the 'standard'
lecture/lab...you'll have a copy of the student handout/overhead, with
plenty of space for your notes. The information is mapped, even though it
doesn't have blocks and maps and sections. Mapping is a technique, not a
format.


>    In view of the nature of this seminar, namely a functionality update  
>     of VMS, it would be nice if the participants could take home
>     something they can use afterwards. For this purpose, a table of
>    contents at the beginning and an index at the end would be most 
>    useful.

If this were a steady-state course, or longer than a day, I would tend to
agree with you. However, the nature of a seminar is quite different than
that of a formal lecture, and I don't think that a table of contents or
index would be particularly useful. In addition, the student will have a
copy of the New Features manual, which does have those things. 

>    Can we still expect some labs (or demos), or do we make them up
>    ourselves?

There are no labs, but feel free to add them as you see fit. The seminar is
primarily informational, and presents concepts rather than implementation
details (which we teach in courses such as Sysnet).


>    As this may be true for the "large" country you're speaking for, in
>    our "small" country we have 17 (customer) enrollments so far for my
>    first teach June 25.

I'm glad to hear that!

BTW, Kris, I've tracked down your notebook and will be sending it out ASAP.

Perry

    
    
    I have a question *NOT* related to the materials, per se, of the udpate
    seminar.
    
    What type of marketing was done prior to the development of the course
    to get an indication as to the level of customer interest in it.  Let's
    face it, if more of the seminars get canceled, Perry's time might have
    been better spent working on a course which will make money!
    
    I'm just curious..............
    
            GJD

    Greg,
    
    US DLS made the decision to offer the seminars.  I don't know what type
    of market research they did or didn't do except that they looked at the
    demand from previous seminars.  I just spoke with the US and the
    seminars scheduled for next week have NOT been cancelled. 
    
    Some countries in Europe and GIA are also using the materials.

    
    
    Thanks.
    
    As to the seminars being cancelled, I only know the ones offered the
    w/o 6/28 are history -- they are the ones I was scheduled to do.
    
    GJD

The final version of the materials are located at:

	SUPER::IDC$REVIEW:[V6-SEMINAR]

		EY-N444E-IG-0001.PS
		EY-N444E-SG-0001.PS
		V60_NEW_FEATURES_SSB.PS (New Features manual)

Please take some time to post results from the first few teaches so that we
can continue to improve our materials.

Regards,

Perry

I just taught my first V6.0 Update to 3 customers in Philadelphia.

My thoughts:

The material seems to be clear and accurate. There was obviously some time 
and thought put into it.  It IS only a half day seminar, though. If you deliver
it in a training center you could have a system available for "show and tell"
which might give you an extra hour or so.

My advise (this is what I did...it's been discussed already in this base note)
is to have some additional AXP material available and make the afternoon 
session an "optional" lecture. They probably won't ding you so bad on the 
"student revenge forms" if at least you demonstrated that you were willing to 
give them at least a days work for a days pay. My 3 students, however, seized 
the opportunity to take the afternoon off. :-)

Good luck!

John
                                    

Glad to hear it went well; you must have really flown through the stuff!

Did you feel that the students got what they needed? Also, was the
instructor-page format ok to use? We've been worried that the mini-slide at
the top of the page is too small.

Thanks for the input, John!

Perry

    John,
    
    Do you think that the short day could have had to do with the small
    number of students resulting in the lack of critical mass for good
    questions/discussion?
    

    re: .-2  

Perry,

I think they probably got what they needed, but they could have gotten 
basically the same information from the Release Notes and New Features 
manuals. We (instructors) have to add some value here and with my 
schedule (4 weeks on platform) going into it I really didn't have time 
to add anything useful.

The instructor format is OK. I did use the bulleted comments for 
backfill. I know of at least one case where I misread the slide because 
the print was so small. It's not really a big deal but if you had to 
rebuild anyway, I'd make the slides about 30% larger.

    re: .-1
 
Jack,

The small size may have contributed to some of that, but I did have one 
student who participated by asking questions and actually challenging 
some of the new features (like adaptive pool management and virtual 
balance slots).

I'm planning on adding sample output from  @REGISTER_PRIVILEGED_IMAGE HELP, 
SNAPSHOT$SYCLEANUP.COM, SYS$EXAMPLES:CLASS.C, startup log when SYSMAN STARTUP 
SET VERIFY/CHECK is set, and possibly console output from an upgrade or 
build, but even with this extra stuff, I don't see the class lasting more 
than 4-5 hours.

    Hello there everybody,
    
    This is Arjen from Holland, with a few remarks,ideas etc.
    First Perry about the instructor guide. I love the idea of having a
    small copy (still readable) and the explanation under the page. I hope
    we can continue this idea, there is some extra work to be done.
    
    About the student guide. Oops I'm not an art freak, but it wouldn't be
    bad a n art gallery. Don't do it again. It is a mixture between an
    blow-up slideshow and a student guide. But if we just give it as an
    nice to have then the customer will except it.
    
    Now about our market in Holland. I read the story about the 3 students
    John had. This is the story of Holland.
    We had a campagne in which we mailed 3000 customers which had an VMS
    operating system. We organised an 1 day course for the price of $370 (1
    dollar is 2 guilders) We firts planned 2 sessions with 20 students in
    each session.
    Now we have booked already 123 students in 4 days. We planned now 6
    sessions. We hope to deliver an extra 10 days of specials. Which we
    deliver on-site by the customer. We take the software with us. So you
    don't have the problem of teaching without the rigth environment.
    
    We also give all our student the following material: Student guide(?),
    New features manual, release notes. 
    
    The last Update seminar of VMS V5.5 was a greeat success in Belgium and
    Holland. So we hope to continue.
    
    Therefor I ask you please can you deliver a little bit quicker some
    materials. And we all have time/resource/budget etc problems, but we
    are willing to help you develop materials, guides etc.
    We have a great team of instructors and they are all willing to help.
    
    I let you all know our experience of the first sessions and put
    comments from customers in here aswell.
    
    Let's stop spitting and work together to make I very professionel and
    succesful curriculum. Don't shout, but write and listen to your
    customers what they need. 
    
    If you have great ears, then you have great opportunities.
    
    With kindly regards,
    Arjen Wiersma
    
    PS: If you want to mail me
    	VAXMAIL      : NWGEDU::WIERSMA
    	ALL-IN-1 mail: Arjen Wiersma @UTO
    
    
    

Re 161.47, .50, .51

As promised, here is the pointer to some DECpresent slides I've 
(just) finished on "An intro to AXP systems and OpenVMS AXP".

WARNUT::US:[GRAVESG]AXP_SEMINAR.PS      (2493 blocks:  41 slides)

We intend using these as part of a combined OpenVMS VAX V6.0 and 
OpenVMS AXP V1.5 one day seminar for customers, using the N444 material 
for the VAX info.  Remember, we are looking at *introducing* customers to 
AXP, and so assume they have no prior knowledge.

My first delivery in the UK is scheduled for 22nd July, so if anyone has
any feedback on the slides before then, please post your comments here. 

(Is that OK, Moderator? Is that still you, Mel?)

Geoff

    
    
    Nicely done, Geoff!!!
    
       GJD

  Perry,
  
  I like the Mini-page on the instructors page.  It is great for 'context'
  while studying.  I personally think the print is OK -- I often read
  material 6-up from our postscript printer -- but for the other
  instructor's benefit DON'T make the text any smaller.  
  
  As for content, I've reviewed it just slightly and didn't see any 
  problems.  I figured at least 4-5 hours of lecture, but then I'm a 
  bit long-winded anyways.
  
  $
  
  P.S. I wish some of our other courses would use that format, I really
       like it -- it's a lot better than the facing-page manuals never 
       were. :-)

    pkj
    Toronto Training Centre

G'Day

I have just presented the "V6.0 Update seminar " twice this week. The 
following are my comments on the experience. Being one of the "old school" of 
instructors please read my comments in this light. 

I have been teaching VMS since 1978 and am somewhat set in my ways, so my 
presentation style may not suit other instructors. Secondly I no longer work 
for Digital, having been a victim/beneficiary of the transition package just 
on a year ago.

Course 1 Wednesday.

17 students of a very mixed group, users through to system programmers.

The material is very Technical and does not apply to the user population, 
these students were quite lost in the details. The high level students loved 
the material.

Course started at 9:00am and ended at 4:30pm. too much material to really do 
it justice.


Course 2 Thursday.

  7 students, all large sites, all experienced managers. Had trouble finishing 
by 5:00pm. Course well accepted.

General comments.

I do not like the instructor guide at all. I spent two days of my (unpaid)
prep time generating a facing page instructor guide. The guide is totally 
unreadable by us "old" folks who can not see anything less than 12pt bold 
print. I prefer to face my students when I am talking to them so need an 
instructor guide that I can read.

Why do my classes last so long? (I hear you cry!!!)

There is one major thing missing out of the documentation --- HOW DID V5.5 
implement the feature. Not all students have attended security seminars, 
internals courses or performance courses, so presenting "new security 
features" or "extended addressing" is meaningless unless the students 
understand what it is being changed FROM.

Generally we had a fun time in class and students seemed to like the "compare 
and contrast" style of presentation.

I hope the comments are constructive and help others in planning their 
presentations.

Post script:-

Week of July 12 I have 4 more seminars to present accross the southern states 
of Australia. Monday Perth, Tuesday Adelaide, Wednesday Melbourne, Thursday 
Hobart and then home to Sydney -- this is equivalnt to Los Angeles to Boston 
-- and you think contractors have it easy!!!


Have fun

BobH

Bob, it's possible to bump the point size up on the text at the bottom of
the IG page...would that help? There's not anything we can do right now
about the size of the 'mini' slide at the top of the page.

Thanks for the comments!

Perry

Just finished my first teach of the "OpenVMS VAX and OpenVMS AXP
Technical Update Seminar" which incorporates the EY-N444E-SG that Perry
put together and the AXP extras that I produced to go with it.  Grand total of
2 customers and 2 DECies (!), but we expect larger crowds after V6 hits the 
streets (currently mid-August in the UK)

A few comments...

As previously stated (-. a few) there was not really enough material to
keep going all day on Open VMS VAX V6.0.  It lasted just four hours of standup
time, and with the AXP bits, the day ended at 16:30, which is proabably long
enough for a 1-day seminar.  It depends, of course, on how much fill-in the
instructor provides but I think the great majority of students who will come
on this course will not be "internals literate" and so will not want any more
than what is already in N444. The 2 customers I had (both "ordinary" system
    managers) looked pretty lost when we ran through the PTE changes!

As requested; a few typos/comments on content/etc...

slide 9:  DELETE/QUEUE/MANANGER is a *new* command

slide 12: /WARNING_INTERVAL   Delete "number of"; it displays the actual
license details, not just the number of licenses.

slide 20: 1st bullet: "process creation time" should be "image activation time"
	  2nd bullet: security and Files/Volumes exec images also changed

slide 54: $MPGBLSC => $MGBLSC

slide 74: add VAX to first bullet (pedantic!)

slide 83:    ticking  is if MMG_CTLFLAGS = 1   and
             trolling is if MMG_CTLFLAGS > 1.  
        
slide 121: What's "IPAR TRN" ?

slide 124: "Capability         Use, Control"  is missing from the table.

slide 128: 4th bullet:   need a "." between DEVICE and DISK ?

slide 129:  is /SECRECY only in SEVMS?  It's not in V6 help, although I tried a 
              $SET SECURITY/SECRECY=(ALL) on a file, and V6 accepted it!

slide 148:  1st bullet:  should read "...additional identifiers which were
assigned to the image by the subsystem administrator."  ?

slide 151:   This slide only gives half the story so I replaced it during 
class with the following 2 pages/slides ...

	o The System Manager ...

		creates a normal identifier

		UAF> ADD/IDENTIFIER  EXECUTE_PROG

		and grants it to the valid users of the program

		UAF> GRANT/IDENTIFIER  EXECUTE_PROG  USER1
		UAF> GRANT/IDENTIFIER  EXECUTE_PROG  USER2

		creates a Subsystem Identifier

		UAF> ADD/IDENTIFIER/ATTRIBUTES=(RESOURCE,SUBSYSTEM) SUB_ID	

		and grants it to the Subsystem Administrator (USER69)

		UAF> GRANT/IDENTIFIER/ATTRIBUTES=(RESOURCE,SUBSYSTEM) -
		_UAF> SUB_ID  USER69

	o The System Manager sets up CONTROL access to the Subsystem image
	  (PROG.EXE) for the Subsystem Administrator (USER69)
		
		$SET SECURITY/ACL=(ID=USER69,ACCESS=CONTROL)  PROG.EXE

	o The Subsystem Adminstrator sets ACEs to protect the image

		$SET SECURITY/ACL=((ID=EXECUTE_PROG,ACCESS=EXECUTE),-
				   (ID=[*,*],ACCESS=NONE))  PROG.EXE
		
		adds the Subsystem Identifier to the image

		$SET SECURITY/ACL=(SUBSYSTEM,ID=SUB_ID,ATTRIBUTE=RESOURCE) -
				   PROG.EXE

		and protects the file(s) used by PROG.EXE

		$SET SECURITY/ACL=((ID=SUB_ID+MGRS,ACCESS=READ+WRITE),-
			           (ID=SUB_ID,ACCESS=READ),
				   (ID=[*,*],ACCESS=NONE))   filename


[I'd really appreciate any comments on the above, it looks OK to me, but
can anyone hone it down?]

slide 154:	2nd bullet:  does "opaque" mean encrypted?  We've never heard 
		of an "opaque byte stream"  before!

slide 158:    Prior to OpenVMS VAX V6.0, it IS possible to SPAWN from a 
CAPTIVE account as long as you don't want DCL access.  $SPAWN/INPUT=X.COM
runs then returns to the captive .COM .   $SPAWN/TRUSTED is *required* at 
V6.0 to do this.  Interactive access is still denied even with /TRUSTED.

slide 165:  2nd bullet:  "VACRTL.EXE"  =>  "VAXCRTL.EXE"

slide 171:  "maneuvering"  =>  "manoeuvering"


Hope this helps,

Geoff
    
    
    BTW, the IG format was OK; I don't use an IG in class as I annotate a
    copy of the SG with all my "extras" from the IG and other sources to
    teach from.

    Hi everyone,
    
    I'm in the process of teaching the OpnenVMS V6.0 Technical Update
    Seminar. I am looking for the on-line presentation materials for the
    class. Examples: postscripts files or slides presentation for teaching
    the seminar. I would alsso appreciate any advice/suggestions concerning
    the EFFECTIVE teaching of the V6.0 Technical Update seminar.
    
    Best regards and thanks in advance for your support,
    
    
    		Bob               
    
    
    

    G'day
    
    8 courses down,10 to go - I thought it about time to add to my comments
    in 161.68
    
    I can not finish this course before 4:30 pm under any circumstances,
    even restricting comments to V6.0 (no alpha).As mentioned previously I
    contrast V6.0 with V5.5 and discuss the reasons for the change.
    
    Many years ago in a previous life I learnt a technique that still
    serves very well today, it goes like this.
    
    Always present FEATURE, FUNCTION, VALUE
    
    FEATURE - What are the technical details of the new
    		feature/functionality
    FUNCTION - What does it do
    VALUE - What's in it for me
    
    Using this structure it is very easy to present the material an discuss
    the reasons for using the new feature.
    
    My timings are to get to about page 70 by 12:30 (lunch time) and then
    finish by 4:30
    
    I usually quiz the class at the start to find the population of
    students that have done internals, performance management, sysnet III
    and to establish those with large sites. This allows me to judge the
    level of presentation.
    
    All this seems to work as I am getting QA's in the 90% range.
    
    Hope this helps some.
    
    Regards
    BobH.
    
    
    PS. P L E A S E let's get back to facing page instructor guides :-)

Thanks for that feedback, Bob.

Perry

    As a lot of folks have been/are on holiday/vacation, can I repeat my
    plea for comments on my entry 161.70?  Particularly the MMG_CTLFLAGS and
    Security Profile changes I suggested.  Am I right or am I wrong?  Is
    the material right or wrong? Please will someone with a few minutes to
    spare (!) check it out?
    
    
    Thanks,
    
    Geoff

This is extracted from some mail that Geoff and I exchanged recently...

Most of your comments are correct...I'll try to address the questions you
posed.

>slide 54: $MPGBLSC => $MGBLSC

Right.

>slide 83:    ticking  is if MMG_CTLFLAGS = 1   and
>             trolling is if MMG_CTLFLAGS > 1.  

Right.

>slide 121: What's "IPAR TRN" ?

I don't know. Bonnie Morgan did all of the security stuff, and she's no
longer at 
DEC. I've sent a note to the security folks with this and your other
security 
questions, but haven't heard back yet.

>slide 128: 4th bullet:   need a "." between DEVICE and DISK ?

Yes.

>slide 129:  is /SECRECY only in SEVMS?  It's not in V6 help, although I
tried a 
>              $SET SECURITY/SECRECY=(ALL) on a file, and V6 accepted it!

Waiting for word from the security folks. I'd say if V6 accepts it, then
you can 
use it, but I can't find it documented anywhere (which would be a problem
at a C2 
site).

>slide 148:  1st bullet:  should read "...additional identifiers which were
>assigned to the image by the subsystem administrator."  ?

Sounds good.

>slide 151:   This slide only gives half the story so I replaced it during 
>class with the following 2 pages/slides ...
...procedure here...
>[I'd really appreciate any comments on the above, it looks OK to me, but
>can anyone hone it down?]

This looks fine. I think Bonnie wanted to redo this but left before she
could 
finish.

>slide 154:	2nd bullet:  does "opaque" mean encrypted?  We've never
heard 
>		of an "opaque byte stream"  before!

Yes, it's encrypted.

>slide 171:  "maneuvering"  =>  "manoeuvering"

:^)