Conference yukon::christian

    I'm not sure Shaeffer would relish attributing our beliefs and actions
    to his teachings.  Shaeffer, in my opinion, called us to the objective
    Truth of God's Word and challenged believers to live accordingly.
    
    To me Shaeffer was a faithful steward of God-given intellect who, as
    you indicate, showed that right thinking leads to right conduct. 
    Shaeffer's life was an example of Christ's love shed abroad in our
    hearts, transforming inside out.
    
    Francis Shaeffer was one of three men used by God to show me the
    complementary relationship of faith and a sound mind.
    
    /Wayne

    I'm ignorant about this author, though I've heard his name lots of
    times.  If you had to recommend 1 book of his to a brother to read, which 
    would it be?
    
    thanks,
    Mike

    Hi, Mike.
    
    Francis Shaeffer was the founder of L'Abri Fellowship in Switzerland.
    
    L'Abri targets truth seekers, some desperate, who have difficulties
    (intellectual/philosophical or moral/ethical) deterring their faith
    in God.  Of course, some might see L'Abri's ministry differently than I,
    depending on their experience.
    
    I'm not too great with book titles if they're not right in front of my
    face, but here are a couple pointers:
    
    	God Who Is There and Is Not Silent
    
    	How Should We Then Live?
    
    L'Abri has been special to Leslie Johnson, so she can provide better
    personal perspective perhaps.
    
    /Wayne

    Shaeffer was an unusually gifted thinker, able to share compelling truth.
    Yet he was a loving, humble man.
    
    My comment that he probably wouldn't relish our attributing belief and
    action to his teachings derived from my sense of his overriding integrity
    as a forthteller of truth--Shaeffer's desire was that God be known.  He
    regarded himself as a servant of our God.
    
    /Wayne

 Many years ago when I was first saved, my church ran a film series based
 on "How should we then live".  I'd love to see it again.  I've read a couple
 of his books, one which sticks out most in my mind "The Christian Manifesto".



Jim

    
    All of his books are mostly compilations of his lectures.  Any of them
    mentioned here are terrific.
    
    jeff

    
    Francis's wife, Edith (I think), was completely involved in L'abri and
    in supporting her husband.  She is still living.  She has written
    several books herself.  The one I have read is full of deep insight
    about God and our lives here.
    
    I was reminded of him, though he's never too far out of mind, by reading 
    an article in this month's Christianity Today.
    
    Francis met Barth, the "great" neo-orthodox theologian.  Francis asked 
    Barth, "Did God create the world?".  Barth answered, "He created the 
    world in the first century A.D."  Francis motioned out the window of 
    Barth's Swiss home,"this world?"  Barth responded, "this world doesn't 
    matter at all."
    
    This was a defining moment for Schaeffer as he realized that Modernism
    was essentially nonsense.  He realized that there were going to be
    serious consequences in the world as a result of the prevailing beliefs
    and attitudes of the elite.  He was highly motivated by the Roe vs Wade
    decision.  He predicted in the 70s that euthanasia would follow Roe vs
    Wade.
    
    He made a huge impact on you and me if not directly then indirectly
    through many of our day's most notable and outspoken Christians.
    
    jeff

    Wayne is right about L'Abri being special to me. I spent one year at the
    L'Abri branch in Switzerland -- three months as a "student", and the rest 
    of the year I worked there. This was just after I graduated from college,
    still young, and finding my way in the world. It was an incredibly valuable
    year.

    His books are work to read and comprehend, but very worth it. "How Should
    We Then Live" is probably easiest for the average person to read. "The
    Mark of a Christian" is also easy to read, and I think it should be 
    essential reading for every believer :-). Other books include "The God Who
    is There", and "He is There and Not Silent". Besides Mrs. Schaeffer, other
    authors with strong ties to L'Abri are (the late) Dr. Hans Rookmaker, Os
    Guiness, Dick Keyes, Susan Barrs, and a few others to that I'm not 
    remembering at the moment.

    Leslie

    	Christianity Today's current issue has an article on Schaeffer.
    It can be found at http://www.christianity.net/ct/current or possibly
    at your local library.
    
    	I found another critic of Schaeffer at 
    
    http://www.wavefront.com/~contra_m/antithesis/v1n3/ant-v1n3_schaeffer.html
    
    Kenley

      Hi Jeff,
    
        Now, I don't know much at all about what Karl Barth wrote.
        I heard a couple things he wrote and I liked it.  But, I
        haven't heard much.
    
        I just want to interject that the english language can be
        interpreted in highly subjective ways.
    
        My instinctive interpretation of what Barth said in your mention
        of him is an obtuse way of saying, "God forbid that I glory in
        anything save the cross of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."
    
        He could have been referring to the "world" as an "experience."
        In the first century, man was enabled to look through a glass
        MUCH LESS dimly.  In a sense, Jesus created this!
    
        I just don't want to heavily critique Barth for that statement.
        Extremely nebulous?  Yes, and perhaps he should have been much
        more concrete.  But, what he meant is subject to a lot of
        possibilities and one possibility, which is the one I instinctively
        thought of, is a BEAUTIFUL possibility.
    
        Just a way of saying the cross is everything and "world" is much
        less a piece of real estate and much more an experience of the
        heart and "God forbid..."
    
    				    		Take Care,
    
    						Tony

    I noticed CBD has a volume set that includes most of his work too.