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Title:The CHRISTIAN Notesfile
Moderator:YUKON::GLENNEON
Created:Wed Dec 11 1996
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:81
Total number of notes:2400

21.0. "AIDS Related Topic" by BIGQ::SILVA (http://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/) Mon Feb 03 1997 18:00

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                      Jeremy Mathews Memorial AIDS Quilt
                      ===========++++++++++++===========
    
    Many of us have lost friends, acquaintances, family members or even 
    loved ones to AIDS.  At the recent HLO AIDS Walk meeting, Christine 
    Conran suggested that we, in an effort to bring AIDS to the forefront at 
    Digital, sponsor and dedicate a panel to those people who we know who
    have died from AIDS. The quilt will be named after Jeremy Mathews, a 
    DIGITAL employee who recently died of AIDS-related complications.
    
    For those unfamiliar with the concept, each AIDS quilt panel will be 6 
    inches by 6 inches, and is dedicated to the memory of the person lost 
    to this terrible plague.  Panels can include the lost person's name, 
    quilted pictures, birth dates, and any other information.  When 
    completed, any number of panels are sewn together and the resultant 
    quilt can be displayed at various DIGITAL facilities
    
    The HLO AIDS Walk team is also involving Corporate HR in this  project.  
    
    If you would like more information on the project, or if you would like 
    to submit a panel yourself, please either send mail to Christine Conran 
    (conran@bigq.enet.dec.com) or call Chris at work (DTN) 225-4749 or 
    (outside line) 508-568-4749.
    
    Let's get sewing!
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21.1AIDS Walks 1997 - Sponsored by DIGITALBIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed May 07 1997 20:4933

        All employees are welcome--at 11:30 on 14 May, in the HLO2 
        Cafeteria Annex--to join in DIGITAL's kickoff for the annual 
        Boston (Sunday, 1 June) and Worcester (Sunday, 8 June) AIDS 
        Pledge Walks.  Registration materials will be available for 
        both events.
                
        Among the honored guests currently scheduled for the kickoff
        are:

        Ed Caldwell--Vice President of Digital Semiconductor, and 
        opening speaker;

        Paul Ross--Consultant/Director of HIV Education for DIGITAL, who 
        plans to discuss the company's past and present contributions 
        to this event;

        Larry Kessler--Director of the Aids Action Committee (AAC)
        of Boston, who will talk to where the money raised will be 
        spent and why the disease has not quite been conquered; and

        Andi Kudzol--Member of the Board of Directors of Aids Project 
        Worcester, who will share her experiences as an active volunteer 
        and as a young woman living with AIDS.

        The kickoff will be an opportunity for community members to 
        learn the facts about HIV and AIDS, become informed about local 
        support groups that might need volunteers, and to help raise 
        money to educate and provide support for people living with 
        HIV and AIDS.


21.2JULIET::MORALES_NASweet Spirit's Gentle BreezeWed May 07 1997 21:247
    Note 78 was moved to Topic 21 for consistence.  
    
    Please support this effort if you are able.  AIDS is community disease
    that effects all of us.
    
    Best Regards,
    Nancy
21.3BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Thu May 08 1997 02:177

	No problem Nancy. normally I do a search. But I hadn't realized that I
or anyone else had started anything here. I guess I should have searched. :-)


HGlen
21.4Still no HIV-->AIDS connection establishedNETCAD::WIEBEGarth WiebeThu May 08 1997 16:197
Re: .1  (AIDS Walk fundraiser solicitation)

Last I heard, there still wasn't any evidence to suggest that
HIV causes AIDS.  Therefore, I wouldn't waste money on HIV/AIDS
research.

See http://www.xs4all.nl/~raido/index.htm for more information.
21.5BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Thu May 08 1997 16:4314


	That is a bunch of garbage. HIV eats aways at the T-cells. When the
T-cells get to a certain amount (500), you go from being HIV+ to AIDS. HIV
leads to AIDS. 

	No one dies of AIDS or HIV, though. They die from other things due to
the body not being able to fight off infections. You need T-cells to fight that
off.



Glen
21.6NETCAD::WIEBEGarth WiebeThu May 08 1997 16:517
Re: .5  (Glen Silva)

>	That is a bunch of garbage. HIV eats aways at the T-cells. When the
>T-cells get to a certain amount (500), you go from being HIV+ to AIDS. HIV
>leads to AIDS. 

Please provide evidence to support your claim.
21.7COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertThu May 08 1997 16:5815
Well, they have an impressive set of credentials, including several Nobel
prizes.

I just discussed the site with a friend in Atlanta, who tested HIV+ twelve
years ago and tells me that these people really might have a point.

He says that he feels perfectly fine now, and has for the past six years
after he _quit_ taking AZT.  He is convinced that he was being poisoned by
AZT, and never felt sicker in his whole life than during the year he tried
the recommended treatments.

Is he just lucky, or do these people have a point: look elsewhere, look
to continued detrimental behaviour, look to improper treatments.

/john
21.8In Boston: support the "Interfaith AIDS Ministry"COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertThu May 08 1997 17:1711
BTW, there _clearly_ are many things Christians should, no, _must_ be doing
in order to obey Jesus's commandments to us to love our neighbors.

I'd suggest an Alta Vista search for "aids ministr*" (given exactly as
shown, with the quotes and the asterisk) for ideas and groups in your
area to support.

These people need care, food, support, the gospel preached to them, and
many other things that we have a duty to provide to them.

/john
21.9PHXS01::HEISERMaranatha!Thu May 08 1997 17:301
    What is Magic Johnson taking that has him doing so well now?
21.10BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Thu May 08 1997 17:4318

	Go to the CDC homepage and have a look:


		http://www.cdc.gov/



	Go to the American Red Cross Homepage at:



		http://www.redcross.org/




21.11NETCAD::WIEBEGarth WiebeThu May 08 1997 21:3718
Re:  .10  (Glen Silva)

>	Go to the CDC homepage and have a look:
>
>		http://www.cdc.gov/
>
>	Go to the American Red Cross Homepage at:
>
>		http://www.redcross.org/

Okay, I did visit those two home pages, and did not find anything to
support the statement that you made in reply .5:

>	That is a bunch of garbage. HIV eats aways at the T-cells. When the
>T-cells get to a certain amount (500), you go from being HIV+ to AIDS. HIV
>leads to AIDS. 

Again I ask:  Please provide evidence to support your claim.
21.12BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Fri May 09 1997 14:399

	Then you didn't really look. The Red Cross has a pamphlet about AIDS.
What it is, what it does. The CDC has facts, studies, etc on it. Look and you
will see. 



Glen
21.13BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Fri May 09 1997 14:4321
| <<< Note 21.7 by COVERT::COVERT "John R. Covert" >>>


| He says that he feels perfectly fine now, and has for the past six years
| after he _quit_ taking AZT.  He is convinced that he was being poisoned by
| AZT, and never felt sicker in his whole life than during the year he tried
| the recommended treatments.

	AZT does make some people sick. It is like any drug. Some people can
take it, some people can't. The infamous cocktail (3 med combo) has helped a
lot of people out there. But I heard this one woman who talked an said how her
son, a senior in hs, can't take it. It makes his body immune to all
medications. And in fact, from the people who have been taking the cocktail,
33% of them have to stop. But.... like all meds, they can help some, but not
everyone. AZT helps most people who take it. Like your friend, John.... this
kid had to stop taking that, as well.




Glen
21.14NETCAD::WIEBEGarth WiebeFri May 09 1997 21:0520
Re: .12  (Glen Silva)

>	Then you didn't really look. The Red Cross has a pamphlet about AIDS.
>What it is, what it does. The CDC has facts, studies, etc on it. Look and you
>will see. 

You told me to look at the CDC homepage at "http://www.cdc.gov/", and the
American Red Cross homepage at "http://www.redcross.org/".  I read both of
those home pages and found nothing that even discusses HIV or AIDS, let
alone provide support for the following statement from your reply .5:

>	That is a bunch of garbage. HIV eats aways at the T-cells. When the
>T-cells get to a certain amount (500), you go from being HIV+ to AIDS. HIV
>leads to AIDS. 

Perhaps you could extract the relevant text and post it here.  I am wondering
whether you have even looked at these homepages yourself.

We've all heard plenty of rhetoric about "studies" and "facts".  Now I am
calling you on it.  Let the readership see the evidence, if it in fact exists.
21.15Why I Tend To Believe OtherwiseYIELD::BARBIERISun May 11 1997 12:4821
      My own 'studies' into things like the Fed Reserve, concepts of
      subject verses sovereign and how we all got duped into being
      subjects, the erosion of our ammendments, the massive war on
      militias (could it be a covert operation to 'plant' militias
      with crazy extremists so as to paint them in an apalling light?),
      etc., etc...
    
      leads me to one first guess hypothesis.
    
      The federal govt. is probably in on it (whatever it is)!
    
      If its the Federal govt. that says HIV causes AIDS, it probably
      doesn't!  They probably did create the virus...why not...they've
      done just about everything else.
    
      Glen, as one who is uninformed, I lean toward Garth on this one.
      Only because the drivel that comes from the fed govt. and 'her'
      bed partner (the mainstream media) is too often a full flaming 
      crock.
    
    						Tony
21.16A healthy bit-o skepticismUSDEV1::LEVASSEURhttp://www.ultranet.com/~bigbooty/Mon May 12 1997 11:4810
    .15 and Garth
    
        Amen, there's a few thousand blocks worth i could say, but
    for now, tooo tooo very very busy.
    
        There is too much politikkking going on in the medical 
    e$tabli$hment, plus from much of my own research, i do NOT
    trust what our gummint has become.....oh well more later.
    
        ttfn, ray
21.17BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon May 12 1997 17:1440
| <<< Note 21.14 by NETCAD::WIEBE "Garth Wiebe" >>>


| Perhaps you could extract the relevant text and post it here.  I am wondering
| whether you have even looked at these homepages yourself.

No, I am not going to the sites below and extracting all the data and stuff.
You can go and look and learn.

	http://www.aegis.com/aegis/news/wj1996/WJ961010.html

	http://www.ex.ac.uk/~SJMacwil/lib/hivbib/bib1.html

	http://www.critpath.org/aric/library.htm

	http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/hiv_aids/hivinfo/overview.htm

	http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/hiv_aids/pubs/facts.htm 
		(go to the  The Human Immunodeficiency Virus and Its
		 Transmission part...u need a adobe reader)

	http://hiv-web.lanl.gov/immuno/index.html

	http://hiv-web.lanl.gov/index.html

	http://www.oneworld.org/avert/

	http://www.thebody.com/cgi-bin/body.cgi




You can call:


AIDS Project Worcester - 508-755-3775

CDC National AIDS Hotline - 800-342-2437

AIDS Action Committee - 800-235-2331
21.18BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon May 12 1997 17:1720
| <<< Note 21.15 by YIELD::BARBIERI >>>


| Glen, as one who is uninformed, I lean toward Garth on this one.
| Only because the drivel that comes from the fed govt. and 'her'
| bed partner (the mainstream media) is too often a full flaming
| crock.

	I feel bad for you, Tony. Because due to your lack of knowledge you
have made some statements that are really incorrect, and which could also lead
to harm of others you might meet and not give important information to.

	AIDS is a WORLD WIDE disease. It is something that had been in other
countries before it ever came here. 





Glen
21.19BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon May 12 1997 17:2719


	In addition to the speakers at this Wednesdays Corporate Kick-off Rally
for the AIDS Walks, a viewing of the AIDS Panel will be held as well. Several
people donated time and effort to either make a panel for someone they know, or
make a panel for someone else from the company for someone they knew. 

	The overall collection of panels was named after Jeremy Mathews. He was 
a DIGITAL employee who died of AIDS last summer. There have been about 10
people who submitted panels of people they knew who died of AIDS complications. 

	The panel can be viewed between the hours of 11:00-1:00 in the cafe
annex at HLO2 on Wednesday, May 14th.




Glen
21.20Its Where I'm AtYIELD::BARBIERIMon May 12 1997 17:3318
      Hi Glen,
    
        OK, but I'm just being honest.  My latest posting is where
        I'm presently at with regard to what I believe.
    
        I think we're pumped with so much garbage from so many places
        (i.e. mainstream media/government) that I am extremely cynical.
    
        There are too many examples of where I have not been told 
        things that I have come to believe are astoundingly significant,
        of where I have been told things I have come to believe are
        outright lies, and of where I have been told things are pathetically
        insignificant that my perception of the validity of mainstream 
        sources has been impacted.
    
        I mean no harm tho.
    
    						Tony 
21.21BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon May 12 1997 17:474


	Tony.... go in with the facts and you will never do harm.
21.22JULIET::MORALES_NASweet Spirit's Gentle BreezeMon May 12 1997 18:078
    Nice 21st century snarf there Glen! :-)  So effortlessly on your part
    too!
    
    I think perhaps what the disconnect might be is whether or not your
    "facts" are in fact truthful.  Well, not YOUR facts, per se, but what
    we the sheep, called American people have been told about HIV and aids.
    
    
21.23PHXS02::HEISERMaranatha!Mon May 12 1997 18:112
    The government has been involved in biological warfare for decades,
    mostly abroad.
21.24BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon May 12 1997 18:1111


	Wow.... I missed a real good snarf! :-)

	Nancy, again.... either the whole world is in on it, or you are going
to have to rethink your opinion. 



Glen
21.25JULIET::MORALES_NASweet Spirit's Gentle BreezeMon May 12 1997 18:2014
    .24
    
    You sure did! I'm so surprised too.
    
    The whole world doesn't have to be in on it, in order for governments
    to have chosen some 3rd world countries on which to test their chemical
    warfare.  I mean after all when did this disease become important? 
    When Rock Hudson died, when a mother who had a blood transfusion here
    in the U.S., died, when a little child died who was a hemophiliac, etc.
    
    We, the people, became alarmed in this country when the disease left
    the less fortunate and bothered us.
    
    
21.26BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Mon May 12 1997 18:3725
| <<< Note 21.25 by JULIET::MORALES_NA "Sweet Spirit's Gentle Breeze" >>>

| The whole world doesn't have to be in on it, in order for governments
| to have chosen some 3rd world countries on which to test their chemical
| warfare.  

	My clarification error..... by whole world, I meant governments. 

| I mean after all when did this disease become important? When Rock Hudson 
| died, when a mother who had a blood transfusion here in the U.S., died, when 
| a little child died who was a hemophiliac, etc.

	That was this county. AIDS became important long before that in other
countries. Here it took a few years once the disease was diagnosed because of
the stigma that went with it.

| We, the people, became alarmed in this country when the disease left
| the less fortunate and bothered us.

	If Europe is less fortunate, then ya got a point. :-)




Glen
21.27PHXS02::HEISERMaranatha!Mon May 12 1997 20:322
    Glen, have you ever seen the movie "Outbreak"?  Even though it is
    fiction, it isn't far from being possible.
21.28BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue May 13 1997 13:2821

	Mike..... how any disease gets started... will always be a mystery. I
know where the origins of the disease happened. I don't know how it came about.

	But that does not change the fact that the disease is real. That HIV
breaks down the t-cells to the point that it turns into AIDS. It also doesn't
change the fact that as the t-cell count goes down, one has a greater chance of
contracting a disease that could take the life of the person. It also does not
change the fact that there are drugs out there helping people. Not all people,
but many. People are not being poisoned. 

	As far as someone being able to have a drug, or drug combination work
for them goes, it is like asprin. Some people can take it. Some can not. Does
this mean that the gov is poisoning us? Lets end the hysteria and work with
reality. People are dieing. 



Glen

21.29some pocket change worthUSDEV1::LEVASSEURhttp://www.ultranet.com/~bigbooty/Tue May 13 1997 17:5161
    .28
    
      Glen there's a tiny difference between aspirin and aids drugs. It's
    like comparing C4 to Chinese firecrackers. It's funny that azt, is
    now more and more being called zdv. I asked a doctor why the change and
    he said that azt has a bad rap, so a little name change; same church
    end of the same pew. Azt and the other nucleocide analogs are one
    heckof a lot more toxic and destructive than aspirin. Azt was orinally
    meant to be an oral cancer chemo drug. Trouble is it was much too
    toxic for human consumption in the 60's and was shelved. Along comes
    aids and it has become a major cash cow for a certain drug company.
    
      ddi, ddc, 3tc are a bit better but still very very toxic, and this
    does not even consider the new "protease inhibitors", which are
    just as toxic to most people. I know a coupla dozen people who were
    arm wrestled into the cocktail protocal and all but one  became 
    too sick to get out of bed, let alone work. Yeah, OK, some do well
    for a time on the party line cocktail, but then there are some
    who can smoke 4 packs or plain end camels a day and show no ill
    effects.
    
       I have corresponded with a numner of contributors to the
    rethinking aids site, and i tend to believe that camp as much,
    even more than the political (PC) majority. 
    
       This dis-ease is just too wrapped up in politiks and greed. Let's
    face it, aids has quickly become a multi-billion dollar industry. 
    I doubt very much there will EVER be a cure; it would be bad buziness
    Yeah Glen, i'm one'o those types who doe not believe in the inherent
    goodness of humankind to do the right thing; broken, fallen, etc
    and in the age of greed, influence and power we live in (more and 
    more)...it's who has hte $$$$ and clout who wins. Call me nuts,
    but I almost always bet on the dark horse; in this case, the
    Christians and others who doubt the motives that the media heads
    spoon feed to dumbed/numbed down amrerika.
    
       Oh, BTW, last time i checked stats, it was once t-cells drop
    under 200 that one gets and aids tattoo, not under 500. There are
    co-factors; genetics, lifestyle habits and other existing conditions
    that effect dis-ease outcome. Some time do some searches on hhv-6,
    a herpes virus that destroys many more t-cells than hiv.
    
       The truth will probably never be told, not by those who make/
    break the rules. And yeah, I truly  believe aids was the product
    of human tinkering and not some random monkey bite or loose
    cannon airline stew-person. Why, this  comes form my own 4 year
    stint in the military and what i learned about NBC warfare. Well
    anyway, gotta run for now.
    
       As far as giving money goes, I've shifted away (just me peronally)
    from the mega aids benevolence fundraising factories and donate
    more to Salvation Army and small church groups who run suppers and
    food kitchens for people with aids. But in ending, give $$$ time 
    and support where your heart truly leads......
    
       ttfn, and God (the one and only true one) bless
       and keep ya's.
    
       Ray,
    
       
21.30BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue May 13 1997 18:1837
| <<< Note 21.29 by USDEV1::LEVASSEUR "http://www.ultranet.com/~bigbooty/" >>>


| Glen there's a tiny difference between aspirin and aids drugs. It's
| like comparing C4 to Chinese firecrackers. 

	I don't see that at all. The point is, Ray.... you have a drug that can
do wonders... for some people. For others it may do nothing, it may have a bad
side effect, they may be allergic to it. Whether that drug is asprin or if it
is AZT, or any other drug, the same things can happen. I have yet to see any
one drug work on everyone. I doubt we ever will, either. 

| I know a coupla dozen people who were arm wrestled into the cocktail protocal
| and all but one  became too sick to get out of bed, let alone work. 

	I love your choice of words.... arm wrestled... interesting. According
to the stats from the AAC (who got them from the CDC), 33% of the people who
take the cocktail have to stop taking it. Either because of the side effects,
or because it makes their bodies immune to meds altogether. This means that 67%
of the people will have it work. The hardest part is getting the correct doses. 

| Yeah, OK, some do well for a time on the party line cocktail, but then there 
| are some who can smoke 4 packs or plain end camels a day and show no ill
| effects.

	I've always wondered about that. Like what is it in the bodies of
people that can make them withstand this stuff. Look at George Burns. He smoked
all the time. He lived to be 100. Our bodies are full of mystery. That's for
sure!

| and support where your heart truly leads......

	Ya gotta do what you can. If the Salkvation Army, or small church
groups is where you want your money to go, then that is where it goes. No one
has to give to anything to help others. The very fact that you are is quite
cool.

21.31articles & radio shows from Chuck MisslerPHXS02::HEISERMaranatha!Tue May 13 1997 18:5010
http://www.khouse.org/genes2.html

http://www.khouse.org/outbreak.html

http://www.khouse.org/mreport.html
     Two radio shows in particular available with RAplayer:
          The Origins of AIDS & ebola viruses
          AIDS & Population Control

http://thesource.khouse.org/cgi-bin/vsc/hiv.html?E+thesource
21.32BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue May 13 1997 19:073

	Chuck Missler.... where have I heard that name before???
21.33BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed May 14 1997 13:1518



	The Corporate Kick-off Rally for the AIDS Walks, and a viewing of the 
AIDS Panel will be held TODAY!

	Ed Caldwell (VP of DS), Paul Ross (HIV/AIDS office), Larry Kessler
(head of AIDS ACTION) and Andi Kudzol (a woman with AIDS) will be speaking
today.

	The Kick-off Rally for the Walks will be held between 11:30-1:00 in the 
cafe annex at HLO2.



Glen

21.34Glen's references checkedNETCAD::WIEBEGarth WiebeWed May 14 1997 16:0368
Re: .17  (Glen Silva)

>No, I am not going to the sites below and extracting all the data and stuff.
>You can go and look and learn.

>	http://www.aegis.com/aegis/news/wj1996/WJ961010.html

This is a Wall Street Journal article which discusses how to boost reduced
T-cell count, but does not discuss HIV-->AIDS causality (except to assume 
it in its premise.)

>	http://www.ex.ac.uk/~SJMacwil/lib/hivbib/bib1.html

This is an attempt to compile a bibliography of the British Medical Journal
and Lancet.  To just cite this web page without pointing to any specific
article(s) to me smacks of an attempt at a snow job.

Question for Glen:  Did you actually read any of these articles before
citing this web page in reply .17?  If so, which one(s)?  Be specific.

>	http://www.critpath.org/aric/library.htm

This is an article which proposes that HIV causes AIDS through the process
of Neo-darwinian evolution happening right inside the human body!  The 
article even has the boldness to suggest that the several years of HIV 
"infection/mutation" is like unto the "millions of years" of human 
evolution.  

If you swallow that one, you might as well wonder how we can survive 
infection from any other germs as well!

These people need to explain why the vast majority of HIV-positive 
hemophiliacs (who all got infected from blood transfusions before HIV
testing of blood was available) are exempt from this Neo-darwinian
evolution process.  (Perhaps all hemophiliacs are creationists, deep
down inside?)

>	http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/hiv_aids/hivinfo/overview.htm

This is a perfect example of the fallacy that correlation implies causality.
They just come right out and say that since most AIDS sufferers have been
infected by HIV, therefore HIV causes AIDS.  I highly recommend this web 
site to anyone who wants to learn how to think critically.  A must-read!

>	http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/hiv_aids/pubs/facts.htm 
>	(go to the  The Human Immunodeficiency Virus and Its
>	Transmission part...u need a adobe reader)

This document only discusses the transmission of HIV from infected persons
to uninfected persons, and not HIV-->AIDS causality.

>	http://hiv-web.lanl.gov/immuno/index.html

This is a discussion of immunology and assumes HIV-->AIDS causality in all 
its premises.  Therefore, it provides no useful information to this 
discussion.

>	http://hiv-web.lanl.gov/index.html

This is the index page to a database of the genetic coding of HIV and 
other retroviruses.  Since it does not discuss HIV-->AIDS causality, it
provides no useful information to this discussion.

>	http://www.oneworld.org/avert/
>	http://www.thebody.com/cgi-bin/body.cgi

These two sites contain general public information tracts and contain no 
useful information about HIV-->AIDS causality.
21.35Soda intoxicationNETCAD::WIEBEGarth WiebeWed May 14 1997 16:3224
In reply .34, I reported on Glen's "HIV-->AIDS" references.  As it turns out,
none of them demonstrate that HIV causes AIDS.  

I would have hoped that Glen was better read on the AIDS phenomenon, especially
since he is a prominent company spokesperson in this area.  Sadly, he too is
misinformed.  

As my time permits, I would like to offer some good reasons why it is not a
wise choice to target HIV or any other retrovirus as a likely cause of AIDS. 

In the mean time, I would not contribute any funds towards current HIV/AIDS
research.  We need more whistle-blowers who will demand that the scientific
and medical establishment provide a justifiable basis for their research and
demonstrate that they are not on a wild goose chase.  There are plenty of other
public health concerns and diseases which take an equal or greater toll on
human life and health, to which substantial medical and scientific research is
being devoted and is always in need of funding. 

This whole fiasco reminds me of a parable I heard once:  A man went to the
bar one day had scotch and soda, which made him drunk.  Another day, he had
vodka and soda, which made him drunk.  Then he had rum and soda, which made
him drunk.  Then he had whiskey and soda, which made him drunk.  (And so on,
and so forth.)  In the end, the man concluded that it was the soda which made
him drunk, since this was the common ingredient in each case.
21.36BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed May 14 1997 17:3640
| <<< Note 21.34 by NETCAD::WIEBE "Garth Wiebe" >>>


| and Lancet.  To just cite this web page without pointing to any specific
| article(s) to me smacks of an attempt at a snow job.

	I'm going to be honest with you..... I don't have the time to go
through every site that I have on AIDS to please your whims. I have provided
you with several sites that you can go and look at. If you don't want to take
the time, it isn't my problem. 

| Question for Glen:  Did you actually read any of these articles before
| citing this web page in reply .17?  If so, which one(s)?  Be specific.

	I have read various things on the CDC pages. Can I recite specific
articles? No.... I've been reading various things since I have been on the web.
And what I find interesting is out of all the sites I have ever been to when
searching with Alta Vista, maybe 1-2% of them have been like the one you talked
about. The rest have all pretty much said the same thing. 

| If you swallow that one, you might as well wonder how we can survive
| infection from any other germs as well!

	It is much easier to swallow than the stuff you are trying to spread.
Btw, did you even call the numbers given????

| This is a perfect example of the fallacy that correlation implies causality.
| They just come right out and say that since most AIDS sufferers have been
| infected by HIV, therefore HIV causes AIDS.  I highly recommend this web
| site to anyone who wants to learn how to think critically.  A must-read!

	Yes... it is. Considering that HIV eats away at the t-cells, it very
well illustrates the point that HIV leads to AIDS.

| its premises.  Therefore, it provides no useful information to this
| discussion.

	Uh huh... whatever Garth. 


21.37BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed May 14 1997 17:3818
| <<< Note 21.35 by NETCAD::WIEBE "Garth Wiebe" >>>

| In reply .34, I reported on Glen's "HIV-->AIDS" references.  As it turns out,
| none of them demonstrate that HIV causes AIDS.

| I would have hoped that Glen was better read on the AIDS phenomenon, especially
| since he is a prominent company spokesperson in this area.  Sadly, he too is
| misinformed.

	You are simply amazing, Garth. With such a limited scope of the disease
itself that you behold, it is no wonder you just discount the truth. But alas,
the far Right rears up again. Nothing new here. Discount what you will, the
truth still stands. 




Glen
21.38PHXS01::HEISERMaranatha!Wed May 14 1997 17:531
    Is there anything else that eats T-cells?
21.39BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed May 14 1997 20:369

	Yes.... there is the disease called scuds (I think that is the name).
That is the disease they made a movie about with John Travolta (boy in the
bubble). 



Glen
21.40NETCAD::WIEBEGarth WiebeWed May 14 1997 21:5756
Re: .36  (Glen Silva)

>| and Lancet.  To just cite this web page without pointing to any specific
>| article(s) to me smacks of an attempt at a snow job.
>
>	I'm going to be honest with you..... I don't have the time to go
>through every site that I have on AIDS to please your whims. I have provided
>you with several sites that you can go and look at. If you don't want to take
>the time, it isn't my problem. 

Oh, you don't need to do it for my sake.  I have publically called you on the
claims that you made regarding HIV-->AIDS causality.  The conference readership
is looking on.  By all means, do it for their sake, because since you haven't,
I will now restate my claim that no one has been able to demonstrate HIV-->AIDS
causality.

>| Question for Glen:  Did you actually read any of these articles before
>| citing this web page in reply .17?  If so, which one(s)?  Be specific.
>
>	I have read various things on the CDC pages. Can I recite specific
>articles? No.... I've been reading various things since I have been on the web.

A simple "no" would have sufficed.  So you cited the British Medical Journal
and Lancet with no idea what specific information any of the articles provided.
For all you know, they may actually agree with me! 

>And what I find interesting is out of all the sites I have ever been to when
>searching with Alta Vista, maybe 1-2% of them have been like the one you
>talked about.  The rest have all pretty much said the same thing. 

True enough.  So does the majority rule then?  Is that a principle we can 
abide by?  Did you know that the CDC and NIH are censoring that "1-2%" and 
selectively funding AIDS research?  Do you think that censorship is right?

>| If you swallow that one, you might as well wonder how we can survive
>| infection from any other germs as well!
>
>	It is much easier to swallow than the stuff you are trying to spread.
>Btw, did you even call the numbers given????

I do not wish to speak with someone on the telephone.  I want to see it in
writing.  

>| This is a perfect example of the fallacy that correlation implies causality.
>| They just come right out and say that since most AIDS sufferers have been
>| infected by HIV, therefore HIV causes AIDS.  I highly recommend this web
>| site to anyone who wants to learn how to think critically.  A must-read!
>
>	Yes... it is. Considering that HIV eats away at the t-cells, it very
>well illustrates the point that HIV leads to AIDS.

HIV does not "eat" T-cells.  It is a strand of RNA in a protein sheath.  It
is a retrovirus, and retroviruses don't even generally kill the cells that
they infect.  That fact is characteristic of the basic functionality of a
retrovirus.  Did you know that?  Would you like me to cite some references
to support that?  Or is your mind made up, not to be confused with the facts?
21.41BBQ::WOODWARDC...but words can break my heartWed May 14 1997 22:3631
    Now let me get this straight.
    
    Garth has almost always (well, as well as I can remember with my
    brain-fade ;') been clear, concise, accurate and scholarly in just
    about everything he has entered here in this conference.
    
    Specifically, he has even researched the web sites cited by you Glen,
    and given his synopsis, and then asked you if you had read through them
    before you posted the references - to which you basically answered
    (in short) "no".
    
    Let me ask...
    
    "who has the credibility in this discussion?"
    
    Glen, you insist that there is this causality between HIV and AIDS. You
    insist that there is 'heaps of evidence' (my paraphrase) to support
    this - and yet when called on to provide this evidence, it is lacking.
    
    How come the medical evidence cited doesn't come straight out and say
    "there is a direct causal relationship between HIV and AIDS", and yet
    the politicians, and the lobbyists, and the media, and a whole heap of
    other parties with vested interests do?
    
    Could there be (shock horror!) an "agenda"???? (or should that be
    'agendum' as there is only one of them? ;')
    
    Now, perhaps I've misinterpreted what has transpired here over the last
    dozen or so notes. I'm sure you (Glen) will enlighten me if I have ;')
    
    H
21.42BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Thu May 15 1997 13:0328
| <<< Note 21.40 by NETCAD::WIEBE "Garth Wiebe" >>>


| A simple "no" would have sufficed.  

	I doubt that. You went off the handle when I provided you with a page
where you would have to do some looking yourself. Was it a "snow job" that you
said? So I really doubt a simple anything works with you.

| For all you know, they may actually agree with me!

	No, they do not. :-)

| True enough.  So does the majority rule then?  

	No, the majority doesn't mean it rules. The facts are so overwhelming
that HIV breaks down the t-cells to the point one contracts AIDS. 

| I do not wish to speak with someone on the telephone.  I want to see it in
| writing.

	Apparently that doesn't work, either. :-)

| HIV does not "eat" T-cells.  

	False.


21.43BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Thu May 15 1997 13:0517
| <<< Note 21.41 by BBQ::WOODWARDC "...but words can break my heart" >>>

| "who has the credibility in this discussion?"

	The facts. Stuff has been presented from each side. A person has to
decide for themselves what they believe is true. If you go by a person's
demeanor, then you have failed. Look at the facts.... plain and simple.

| How come the medical evidence cited doesn't come straight out and say
| "there is a direct causal relationship between HIV and AIDS", 

	Is that based on your reading the info, or Garth just saying it does
not state that?



Glen
21.44BBQ::WOODWARDC...but words can break my heartThu May 15 1997 23:0110
    Glen,
    
    I admit that I don't understand _everything_ that is on those pages,
    but probably a heap more than most people (I 'piggy-backed' on a course
    in Nursing with my then girl-friend).
    
    As far as I could see - no one has declared plain and simply that there
    is a *direct* causal relationship.
    
    H
21.45T-Cell Questions: Just Trying To UnderstandYIELD::BARBIERISun May 18 1997 13:1431
       Hi,
    
         Someone help me out here.
    
         I'm trying to understand.
    
         This t-cell thing.  Is it an airtight argument that what does
         'harm' to t-cells, is what causes AIDS?
    
         How is this link established?
    
         Does HIV do harm to t-cells?
    
         Must harm be done to t-cells as a precursor to AIDS?
    
         If HIV does not cause AIDS, but t-cell damage is a prerequisite
         to AIDS, has anything else, at a widespread level, been shown
         to cause t-cell damage?
    
         This t-cell thing seems intriguing to me.  The extent of my
         reasoning is that if t-cell breakdown precedes AIDS, it makes
         sense that something that causes t-cell breakdown would be a
         link.  
    
         If HIV causes t-cell breakdown, there seems some correlation.
         If nothing else has been observed to cause t-cell breakdown at
         a rate roughly close to AIDS, where does that leave us?
    
         Is there something else?
    
    							Tony
21.46BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Tue May 20 1997 01:3025
| <<< Note 21.45 by YIELD::BARBIERI >>>

| This t-cell thing.  Is it an airtight argument that what does
| 'harm' to t-cells, is what causes AIDS?

	When the virus eats away at them, then the result is AIDS.

| Does HIV do harm to t-cells?

	HIV eats away at the t-cells. Without t-cells, one cannot fight off
infectious diseases. AIDS and HIV won't kill you. It is not having the ability
to fight off disease that gets you killed. 

| Must harm be done to t-cells as a precursor to AIDS?

	Other things can cause harm to t-cells. HIV eats away at t-cells. 

| it makes sense that something that causes t-cell breakdown would be a link.

	One would think that....




Glen
21.47NETCAD::WIEBEGarth WiebeWed May 21 1997 03:0977
Re: .45  (Tony Barbieri)
    
>         This t-cell thing.  Is it an airtight argument that what does
>         'harm' to t-cells, is what causes AIDS?
    
It is probably a good assumption to say that whatever is reducing the
t-cell count is causing immune system problems.  

>         How is this link established?

T-cells are an important functional part of the immune system.  Without
them, the body's ability to fight off disease is impaired.
    
>         Does HIV do harm to t-cells?
    
Probably not.  HIV is a retrovirus, and retroviruses do not generally
kill the cells that they infect.

>         Must harm be done to t-cells as a precursor to AIDS?
    
Since t-cells are only one component of the immune system, we can
assume that there are other things which can cause problems for the
immune system.

It is important to note that AIDS is *defined* as any one of a number
of diseases in the presence of "HIV".  Also, HIV infection is *assumed* based
on the presence of HIV antibodies.  So, by definition, if you have any one of
a number of diseases (that won't go away) and your HIV test shows the presence
of HIV antibodies, you are said to have "AIDS". 

The ridiculous thing about the above is that the presence of antibodies only
necessarily demonstrates that you have at some point in the past been infected
with a virus.  The presence of an antibody is a good thing, not a bad thing. 
Your "anti-body" is what kills the a virus' "body".  It demonstrates that your
immune system has successfully produced the necessary biological weapon
necessary to fight the virus. 

>         If HIV does not cause AIDS, but t-cell damage is a prerequisite
>         to AIDS, has anything else, at a widespread level, been shown
>         to cause t-cell damage?
    
This is the problem:  All the funding from the government and AIDS fundraisers
is being spent on the "politically correct" idea that HIV is the cause of AIDS.
Therefore, appropriate research is not being funded.  I've heard of some other
theories.  One has to do with drug abuse.  Another has to do with syphilis.
There seems to be no widespread consensus among the "1-2%" of HIV-->AIDS
"dissidents" at this time, except that HIV is probably not the cause of AIDS.

It is a pathetic picture.  People are either dying of AIDS or being poisoned
by powerful, so-called "antiviral" drugs like AZT, while money is spent on 
what may turn out to be the biggest scientific-medical fiasco of the century. 
Meanwhile, the scientists who don't claim to "know" what causes AIDS but want
to find out lack the funding to do any serious research. 

>         This t-cell thing seems intriguing to me.  The extent of my
>         reasoning is that if t-cell breakdown precedes AIDS, it makes
>         sense that something that causes t-cell breakdown would be a
>         link.  
    
Yes, this much makes sense.

>         If HIV causes t-cell breakdown, there seems some correlation.
>         If nothing else has been observed to cause t-cell breakdown at
>         a rate roughly close to AIDS, where does that leave us?
>    
>         Is there something else?

Only time will tell.  And lots of it, at this rate.

I know what I'm going to do:

1.  I'm not going to contribute money to HIV/AIDS research.

2.  If I ever turn out to be HIV+, I'm not going to worry about it.

There is one sure negative consequence of finding out that you are HIV+,
and that is that no one will want to sell you any more insurance.
21.48NETCAD::WIEBEGarth WiebeWed May 21 1997 03:1443
Re: .46  (Glen Silva)

>| This t-cell thing.  Is it an airtight argument that what does
>| 'harm' to t-cells, is what causes AIDS?
>
>	When the virus eats away at them, then the result is AIDS.
>
>| Does HIV do harm to t-cells?
>
>	HIV eats away at the t-cells. Without t-cells, one cannot fight off
>infectious diseases. AIDS and HIV won't kill you. It is not having the ability
>to fight off disease that gets you killed. 

HIV does not "eat" t-cells.  It is a strand of RNA in a protein sheath.  It
connects to the cell wall, then loses its protein sheath and enters the
cell as a single strand of RNA.  (If anyone is doing the "eating", it is the
human cell "eating" the virus, not the virus "eating" the cell.)  This RNA
strand, also referred to as "reverse transcriptase", uses the cell to
synthesize DNA, which then synthesizes the virus.  (The synthesis of DNA from
RNA "reverse transcriptase" is what earned "retro-viruses" their name.  Prior
to the discovery of retroviruses, RNA was only known to be synthesized from
DNA, and never the reverse.)  And the cell just goes about its business in
spite of its hitchiker/parasite. 

Eventually, the immune system recognizes the protein sheath of the virus as a 
foreign body, and manufactures antibodies which recognize the "signature" of 
the protein sheath and destroy it.

It is useful to mention that the way some vaccines are manufactured are by
culturing a virus, then separating the protein sheath out using a centrifuge,
then injecting a solution containing only the protein sheath into the body. 
The body naturally develops antibodies to the virus, but does not get the
disease, because the DNA/RNA component is absent.

Again, a unique characteristic of retroviruses is that they do not generally
cause the death of the cells they infect.  This makes HIV a very unlikely
candidate for the cause of AIDS.

There is much more to say about the HIV vs. AIDS issue, but I don't know that 
I wish to invest more time in a purely secular discussion.  It just seems a
shame to me that people like Glen and the general public are so misinformed
about HIV and AIDS.  It's a story about special interest groups, politics,
and money, not medical science.  What a shame.
21.50BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed May 21 1997 13:4342
| <<< Note 21.47 by NETCAD::WIEBE "Garth Wiebe" >>>

| >         Does HIV do harm to t-cells?

| Probably not.  HIV is a retrovirus, and retroviruses do not generally
| kill the cells that they infect.

	WRONG!

| a number of diseases (that won't go away) and your HIV test shows the presence
| of HIV antibodies, you are said to have "AIDS".

	FALSE!

| This is the problem:  All the funding from the government and AIDS fundraisers
| is being spent on the "politically correct" idea that HIV is the cause of AIDS.
| Therefore, appropriate research is not being funded.  I've heard of some other
| theories.  One has to do with drug abuse.  Another has to do with syphilis.
| There seems to be no widespread consensus among the "1-2%" of HIV-->AIDS
| "dissidents" at this time, except that HIV is probably not the cause of AIDS.

	Blah blah blah..... 

| It is a pathetic picture.  People are either dying of AIDS or being poisoned
| by powerful, so-called "antiviral" drugs like AZT, while money is spent on
| what may turn out to be the biggest scientific-medical fiasco of the century.
| Meanwhile, the scientists who don't claim to "know" what causes AIDS but want
| to find out lack the funding to do any serious research.

	Yeah.... the government is out to get us..... yet this is a world wide
disease. So all of the governments horses, and all of the governments men,
can't put humpty AIDS dumpty back together again. They are all just poisoning
them. How could anyone be so blind to not see that point? Garth.... your
picture is quite pathetic.

| There is one sure negative consequence of finding out that you are HIV+,
| and that is that no one will want to sell you any more insurance.

	Yet another falsehood.


Glen
21.51BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed May 21 1997 13:4512
| <<< Note 21.48 by NETCAD::WIEBE "Garth Wiebe" >>>

| HIV does not "eat" t-cells.  

	False.

| shame to me that people like Glen and the general public are so misinformed
| about HIV and AIDS.  It's a story about special interest groups, politics,
| and money, not medical science.  What a shame.

	Of course... all the governments are out to get the big bad people.
Paranoia comes to mind here....
21.52PAULKM::WEISSTo speak the Truth, you must first live itWed May 21 1997 14:0918
I'm not really sure why we have to have this discussion, and it CERTAINLY
seems like it's not going anywhere productive from here.

Garth, I'll agree that the topic of AIDs research is heavily politicized. 
And perhaps you're right, that the politicization has gotten the research off
track.  It wouldn't be the first time something like that had happened, nor
likely the last.  But surely the stance you are taking seems a bit strong? 
It *IS* a fatal, incurable, communicable disease that many people are dying
of, and there does seem to be at least SOME link between HIV and AIDS, even
if it is not as clear as some claim.  I don't fully understand your needing
to take such a strong stance on this.

And Glen, you may be right about the various statements you make about HIV
and AIDS.  But simply saying "WRONG!" and "FALSE!" over and over, with a few
"blah, blah, blah" statements and resorting to namecalling like 'paranoid'
and 'pathetic' doesn't really help any.

Paul
21.53BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed May 21 1997 16:2068
    Tuesday May 20 6:00 PM EDT 

    AIDS Drug Combo Helps Eye Infection

    NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Government researchers have discovered that a
    combination of certain anti-HIV drugs can prevent or delay progression
    of a blinding eye infection in people with AIDS. 

    The new findings are the first to show that such drug combinations can
    help restore the immune system's ability to control a serious
    infection. 

    The AIDS-related eye disorder is cytomegalovirus (CMV) retinitis, which
    occurs mostly in the later stages of the disease when the patient's
    immune system is severely weakened. Currently, up to 40% of adults with
    AIDS develop CMV retinitis. 

    Dr. Scott M. Whitcup, clinical director of the National Eye Institute
    in Bethesda, Maryland, says a combination of protease inhibitor drugs
    with other anti-HIV medications (including AZT) is known as highly
    active anti-retroviral therapy (HAART). 

    "Protease inhibitors are a class of anti-HIV drug that affects an
    enzyme necessary for viral replication," Whitcup says. He notes that
    among those commonly used are saquinavir, ritonavir, indinavir, and
    nelfinavir. 

    "Studies on these drugs have shown that the AIDS virus sometimes goes
    down to undetectable levels and the number of CD4 immune cells go up.
    This is the first study that shows this immune system reconstitution
    can be effective at fighting other serious infections in the body,"
    Whitcup says. 

    "CMV retinitis... really requires lifelong therapy," says Whitcup. "And
    we now have some evidence to suggest that with this immune restoration,
    patients can come off the meds (drugs) and the immune system can handle
    the infection on its own." 

    "This discovery is significant because it suggests that, under certain
    circumstances, people with CMV retinitis can stop taking anti-CMV
    medications and the disease would not progress," says Dr. Carl Kupfer,
    director of the National Eye Institute in Bethesda, Maryland. 

    Standard anti-CMV medications such as ganciclovir, foscarnet, and
    cidofovir can be toxic to the kidneys and cause low blood cell counts. 

    Reporting in this week's issue of The Journal of the American Medical
    Association, Whitcup and his colleagues describe four CMV retinitis
    AIDS patients who were placed on HAART therapy. 

    At the time the report was written, the patients' CMV retinitis had
    resolved or remained inactive for 4 to 12 months. In addition, the drug
    combination also decreased the amount of HIV in their blood. 

    But Whitcup cautions that the results, though promising, are
    preliminary and should not be used to dictate treatment for AIDS
    patients with CMV retinitis. 

    "It's still a little bit early for everyone who's bumped their CD4
    counts and have CMV retinitis to just stop their meds," he warns.
    "There's still a chance that some patients -- even if they have
    increased CD4 counts -- that those cells may not be effective in
    fighting the disease." 

    "We're recruiting patients now for a larger study to try and pinpoint
    which patients most safely can come off their medications for CMV
    retinitis," Whitcup says. SOURCE: The Journal of the American Medical
    Association (1997;277(19):1519-1520) 
21.54NETCAD::WIEBEGarth WiebeWed May 21 1997 16:4414
Re: .52  (Paul Weiss)

>I'm not really sure why we have to have this discussion, and it CERTAINLY
>seems like it's not going anywhere productive from here.

>I don't fully understand your needing to take such a strong stance on this.

I keep asking myself that same question.  I was originally thinking of
responding to the basenote with a reply questioning what business this
topic has in the Christian notesfile.  Now, here I am a major contributer
feeding the controversy.

If you asked me what eternal value this discussion and debate serves, I
am not sure that I could come up with a good answer.
21.55JULIET::MORALES_NASweet Spirit's Gentle BreezeWed May 21 1997 18:5917
    Garth,
    
    I have to admit to being a little bit offended by your remark about
    what is this topic doing in the Christian Notesfile.  My first response
    is as a Christian who is concerned about the environment in which I
    live.  I believe I was commanded by God to care for those around me and
    for creation, having first and foremost the Gospel to spread, but not
    any less significant mankind and creation to love.
    
    And then I think a reminder that this notesfile is on Digital Equipment
    resources, and that all corporate sponsored events may be publicized
    here.
    
    Love in Him,
    Nancy
    
    
21.56NETCAD::WIEBEGarth WiebeWed May 21 1997 22:0532
Re: .55  (Nancy Morales)

>    I have to admit to being a little bit offended by your remark about
>    what is this topic doing in the Christian Notesfile.  My first response
>    is as a Christian who is concerned about the environment in which I
>    live.  I believe I was commanded by God to care for those around me and
>    for creation, having first and foremost the Gospel to spread, but not
>    any less significant mankind and creation to love.
    
No offense intended.  The intent of my comment wasn't to proclaim judgment,
as much as it was to question my own motives, in response to Paul Weiss'
question.  After all, I can't think to myself "what business does this topic
have here" and then turn around and contribute to it without recognizing an
inconsistency in my own motives.

I think that if I were to justify my participation in this topic, it would be
along the lines that you speak of above.  It troubles me to think about how
misinformation about the HIV/AIDS phenomenon could impact lives.  Right now,
an HIV+ result is considered an almost certain death penalty, causing people
to consume dangerous and powerful drugs to combat a virus which may turn out
to be completely benign.  Meanwhile, millions of dollars pour into a cure for
HIV, while people are dying of AIDS.  If HIV is not the cause of it, then
there is little hope for a cure until the tide of research is turned.

>    And then I think a reminder that this notesfile is on Digital Equipment
>    resources, and that all corporate sponsored events may be publicized
>    here.
    
Digital Equipment property and resources, yes.  But does this mean we should
encourage the discussion of any and all company business and activities?
This is an employee interest forum, and there are many other forums for 
discussing various other subject matters.
21.57pretend we're from the Show Me statePHXS02::HEISERMaranatha!Wed May 21 1997 22:227
    Garth, I appreciate your efforts to apply critical thinking to this
    topic.  It's something that we all need to apply more often to avoid
    deception.  It's also something that our schools should be teaching,
    but seem to be failing in their attempts (or lack thereof).  Acts
    17:11, and I Peter 3:15 tell us to not take anyone's word for anything.
    
    Mike
21.58BBQ::WOODWARDC...but words can break my heartWed May 21 1997 22:5238
    Yes,
    
    I must admit to being particularly convinced by the lucid arguements of
    "FALSE" and "WRONG".
    
    How could I have made such obvious errors in my thinking previously?
    
    Oh! Look! I left my sarcasm switch on! How remiss :'\ {click}
    
    Glen, so far, you have presented very little evidence to prove your
    point. Garth has, much more than I, researched the topic at hand, and
    raises serious questions.
    
    All in all, the topic of AIDS is not, or rather *should* not be about
    politics, it's about human lives. But, unfortunately it has been
    politicised, grabbed onto by minorities from all sides of the political
    spectrum, and generated so much heat that very little light is being
    shed.
    
    It reminds me so much of other situations where it is not 'politically
    correct' to have thoughts outside the mainstream. Where you must not
    raise the possibility of an alternate theory. 
    
    It seems that so many people are convinced of something, because it
    happens to suit their world view, that when evidence of an alternate
    theory is raised, there are screams of 'heretic!' and 'blasphemer!' and
    'bigot!' and 'ignoramus!' raised.
    
    All of this is human nature - people don't wish to be proved 'wrong',
    particularly in the sensitive areas, like those surrounding AIDS.
    
    To close, I understand Garth's final comments about the appropriateness
    of this discussion here in this particular conference, especially when
    we take into consideration other 'less secular' discussions happening. 
    
    God Bless you all,
    
    H
21.59proven to be created by U.S. Bio-Warfare labsPHXS01::HEISERMaranatha!Wed May 21 1997 23:467
    http://www.all-natural.com/aids-1.html
    http://www.all-natural.com/horo-3.html
    
    Dr. Leonard Horowitz (of Harvard) claims to have copies of the actual 
    taxpayer-funded government contracts that led to these bio-warfare 
    viri?/viruses?.  He's the guest on the RealAudio radio programs that I
    previously posted.
21.60NETCAD::WIEBEGarth WiebeThu May 22 1997 02:1818
Re: .57  (Mike Heiser)

>    Garth, I appreciate your efforts to apply critical thinking to this
>    topic.  It's something that we all need to apply more often to avoid
>    deception.  It's also something that our schools should be teaching,
>    but seem to be failing in their attempts (or lack thereof).  Acts
>    17:11, and I Peter 3:15 tell us to not take anyone's word for anything.

I appreciate this encouragement, Mike.  In fact, I was just thinking about
this on the way home today.

To be sure, God designed us.  And that includes our brains.  He endowed us
with the ability to think and reason.  Our intellect is one of His gifts to
us, and we will be called to account for that which we are given.  We can
put it to good use, put it to bad use, or let it rot away in disuse.

As the "dumbing down" of modern society continues, let us be on our guard
not to follow the crowd.
21.61NETCAD::WIEBEGarth WiebeThu May 22 1997 02:2713
I am going to be busy for quite a while doing some technical work for our
church's next major evangelical drama production.  I doubt that I will have
time to continue this discussion.

Again, my original reference in reply .4 to about 200 web pages challenging
the dogma that HIV causes AIDS:

   http://www.xs4all.nl/~raido/index.htm

If I had the time, I would like to look into Mike Heiser's references
regarding government biological warfare, as this idea is new to me.
Perhaps others here could put on their "thinking caps" and investigate
it?
21.62Very big file supporting 100% what glen sezUSDEV1::LEVASSEURhttp://www.ultranet.com/~bigbooty/Thu May 22 1997 17:251581
    SO ok, i'll play devils' or mainstream or glen's advocate for
    a sec. PLease note this is over 1000 lines long and was
    extracted from the NIH's Bethesda, Maryland site...so you
    KNOW it has to be correct. Well anyway if you read/swallow
    the whole thing, i would surmise you will have to agree
    almost 100% with the claims made by glen. the proof here
    is pretty hard to deny hiv=aids=100% of the time.
    
    So, in ending, who is the truth telling indian......
    
    ral
    
    ------very big text follows--------
    
The Relationship between the Human Immunodeficiency Virus and the Acquired
Immunodeficiency Syndrome

The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
National Institutes of Health
Bethesda, Maryland

September 1995

(Conversion to HTML, Glossary and Remarks by Axel Boldt)

Contents

   * The Definition of AIDS
   * The Designation AIDS Is a Surveillance Tool
   * Quantifying the Epidemic
   * A Brief History of the Emergence of AIDS
   * Initial Theories
   * Retrovirus Hypothesis
   * Seroprevalence Surveys
   * HIV and Other Lentiviruses
   * Course of HIV Infection
   * Immunologic Profile of People With AIDS
   * Mechanisms of CD4+ T Cell Depletion
   * Koch's Postulates Fulfilled
   * Evidence From Animal and Laboratory Models
   * Geographic Considerations
   * Evidence From Blood Donor-Recipient Pairs
   * Impact of HIV Infection on Mortality of Hemophiliacs
   * Pediatric AIDS
   * Single Source Outbreak of Pediatric AIDS
   * Answering the Skeptics: the "Risk-AIDS" or "Behavioral" Hypothesis
   * AIDS and Injection Drug Users
   * Sex and the AIDS Epidemic
   * Drug Use in the Pre-AIDS Era
   * AZT and AIDS
   * Disease Progression Despite Antibodies
   * Risks Associated With Transfusion
   * Exposure to Factor VIII
   * Distribution of AIDS Cases
   * AIDS in Africa
   * Conclusion
   * References
   * Glossary
   * Remarks

The acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) is characterized by the
progressive loss of the CD4+ helper/inducer subset of T lymphocytes,
leading to severe immunosuppression and constitutional disease,
neurological complications, and opportunistic infections and neoplasms that
rarely occur in persons with intact immune function. Although the precise
mechanisms leading to the destruction of the immune system have not been
fully delineated, abundant epidemiologic, virologic and immunologic data
support the conclusion that infection with the human immunodeficiency virus
(HIV) is the underlying cause of AIDS.

The evidence for HIV's primary role in the pathogenesis of AIDS is reviewed
elsewhere (Ho et al., 1987; Fauci, 1988, 1993a; Greene, 1993; Levy, 1993;
Weiss, 1993). In addition, many scientists (Blattner et al., 1988a,b;
Ginsberg, 1988; Evans, 1989a,b, 1992; Weiss and Jaffe, 1990; Gallo, 1991;
Goudsmit, 1992; Groopman, 1992; Kurth, 1990; Ascher et al., 1993a,b;
Schechter et al., 1993a,b; Lowenstein, 1994; Nicoll and Brown, 1994;
Harris, 1995) have responded to specific arguments from individuals who
assert that AIDS is not caused by HIV. The present discussion reviews the
AIDS epidemic and summarizes the evidence supporting HIV as the cause of
AIDS.

The Definition of AIDS

The term AIDS first appeared in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report
(MMWR) of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) in 1982 to describe "... a
disease, at least moderately predictive of a defect in cell-mediated
immunity, occurring with no known cause for diminished resistance to that
disease" (CDC, 1982b). The initial CDC list of AIDS-defining conditions,
which included Kaposi's sarcoma (KS), Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (PCP),
Mycobacterium avium complex (MAC) and other conditions, has been updated on
several occasions, with significant revisions (CDC, 1985a, 1987a, 1992a).

For surveillance purposes, the CDC currently defines AIDS in an adult or
adolescent age 13 years or older as the presence of one of 25
AIDS-indicator conditions, such as KS, PCP or disseminated MAC. In children
younger than 13 years, the definition of AIDS is similar to that in
adolescents and adults, except that lymphoid interstitial pneumonitis and
recurrent bacterial infections are included in the list of AIDS-defining
conditions (CDC, 1987b). The case definition in adults and adolescents was
expanded in 1993 to include HIV infection in an individual with a CD4+ T
cell count less than 200 cells per cubic millimeter (mm3) of blood (CDC,
1992a). The current surveillance definition replaced criteria published in
1987 that were based on clinical conditions and evidence of HIV infection
but not on CD4+ T cell determinations (CDC, 1987a).[1]

In many developing countries, where diagnostic facilities may be minimal,
epidemiologists employ a case definition based on the presence of various
clinical symptoms associated with immune deficiency and the exclusion of
other known causes of immunosuppression, such as cancer or malnutrition
(Ryder and Mugewrwa, 1994a; Davachi, 1994).

The Designation AIDS Is a Surveillance Tool

Surveillance definitions of AIDS have proven useful epidemiologically to
track and quantify the recent epidemic of HIV-mediated immunosuppression
and its manifestations. However, AIDS represents only the end stage of a
continuous, progressive pathogenic process, beginning with primary
infection with HIV, continuing with a chronic phase that is usually
asymptomatic, leading to progressively severe symptoms and, ultimately,
profound immunodeficiency and opportunistic infections and neoplasms
(Fauci, 1993a). In clinical practice, symptomatology and measurements of
immune function, notably levels of CD4+ T lymphocytes, are used to guide
the treatment of HIV-infected persons rather than an all-or-nothing
paradigm of AIDS/non-AIDS (CDC, 1992a; Sande et al., 1993; Volberding and
Graham, 1994).

Quantifying the Epidemic

Between June 1981 and Dec. 31, 1994, 441,528 cases of AIDS in the United
States, including 270,870 AIDS-related deaths, were reported to the CDC
(CDC, 1995a). AIDS is now the leading cause of death among adults aged 25
to 44 in the United States (CDC, 1995b).

Worldwide, 1,025,073 cases of AIDS were reported to the World Health
Organization (WHO) through December 1994, an increase of 20 percent since
December 1993 (WHO, 1995a). Allowing for under-diagnosis, incomplete
reporting and reporting delay, and based on the available data on HIV
infections around the world, the WHO estimates that over 4.5 million AIDS
cumulative had occurred worldwide by late 1994 and that 19.5 million people
worldwide had been infected with HIV since the beginning of the epidemic
(WHO, 1995a). By the year 2000, the WHO estimates that 30 to 40 million
people will have been infected with HIV and that 10 million people will
have developed AIDS (WHO, 1994). The Global AIDS Policy Coalition has
developed a considerably higher estimate--perhaps up to 110 million HIV
infections and 25 million AIDS cases by the turn of the century (Mann et
al., 1992a).[2]

A Brief History of the Emergence of AIDS

In 1981, clinical investigators in New York and California observed among
young, previously healthy, homosexual men an unusual clustering of cases of
rare diseases, notably Kaposi's sarcoma (KS) and opportunistic infections
such as Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (PCP), as well as cases of
unexplained, persistent lymphadenopathy (CDC, 1981a,b, 1982a; Masur et al.,
1981; Gottlieb et al., 1981; Friedman-Kien, 1981). It soon became evident
that these men had a common immunologic deficit, an impairment in
cell-mediated immunity resulting from a significant loss of "T-helper"
cells, which bear the CD4 marker (Gottlieb et al., 1981; Masur et al.,
1981; Siegal et al., 1981; Ammann et al., 1983a).

The widespread occurrence of KS and PCP in young people with no underlying
disease or history of immunosuppressive therapy was unprecedented. Searches
of the medical literature, autopsy records and tumor registries revealed
that these diseases previously had occurred at very low levels in the
United States (CDC, 1981b; CDC, 1982f).

KS, a very rare skin neoplasm, had affected mostly older men of
Mediterranean origin or cancer or transplant patients undergoing
immunosuppressive therapy (Gange and Jones, 1978; Safai and Good, 1981).
Before the AIDS epidemic, the annual incidence of Kaposi's sarcoma in the
United States was 0.02 to 0.06 per 100,000 population (Rothman, 1962a;
Oettle, 1962). In addition, a more aggressive form of KS that generally
occurred in younger individuals was seen in certain parts of Africa
(Rothman, 1962b; Safai, 1984a). By 1984, never-married men in San Francisco
were found to be 2,000 times more likely to develop KS than during the
years 1973 to 1979 (Williams et al., 1994). As of Dec. 31, 1994, 36,693
patients with AIDS in the United States with a definitive diagnosis of KS
had been reported to the CDC (CDC, 1995b).

PCP, a lung infection caused by a pathogen to which most individuals are
exposed with no undue consequences, was extremely rare prior to 1981 in
individuals other than those receiving immunosuppressive therapy or among
the chronically malnourished, such as certain Eastern European children
following World War II (Walzer, 1990). A 1967 survey, for example, found
only 107 U.S. cases of PCP reported in the medical literature up to that
point, virtually all among individuals with underlying immunosuppressive
conditions or who had undergone immunosuppressive therapy (Le Clair, 1969).
In that year, CDC became the sole supplier in the United States of
pentamidine isethionate, then the only recommended PCP therapy, and began
collecting data on each PCP case diagnosed and treated in this country.
After reviewing requests for pentamidine in the period 1967 to 1970,
researchers found only one case of confirmed PCP without a known underlying
condition (Walzer et al., 1974). In the period immediately prior to the
recognition of AIDS, January 1976 to June 1980, CDC received only one
request for pentamidine isethionate to treat an adult in the United States
who had PCP and no underlying disease (CDC, 1982f). In 1981 alone, 42
requests for pentamidine were received to treat patients with PCP and no
known underlying disorders (CDC, 1982f). By Dec. 31, 1994, 127,626
individuals with AIDS in the United States with definitive diagnoses of PCP
had been reported to the CDC (CDC, 1995b).

Another rare opportunistic disease, disseminated infection with the
Mycobacterium avium complex (MAC), also was seen frequently in the first
AIDS patients (Zakowski et al., 1982; Greene et al., 1982). Prior to 1981,
only 32 individuals with disseminated MAC disease had been described in the
medical literature (Masur, 1982a). By Dec. 31, 1994, the CDC had received
reports of 28,954 U.S. AIDS patients with definitive diagnoses of
disseminated MAC (CDC, 1995b).

Initial Theories

The fact that homosexual men constituted the initial population in which
AIDS occurred in the United States led some to surmise that a homosexual
lifestyle was specifically related to the disease (Goedert et al., 1982;
Hurtenbach and Shearer, 1982; Sonnabend et al., 1983; Durack, 1981;
Mavligit et al., 1984). These early suggestions that AIDS resulted from
behavior specific to the homosexual population were largely dismissed when
the syndrome was observed in distinctly different groups in the United
States: in male and female injection drug users; in hemophiliacs and blood
transfusion recipients; among female sex partners of bisexual men,
recipients of blood or blood products, or injection drug users; and among
infants born to mothers with AIDS or with a history of injection drug use
(CDC, 1982b,c,d,f, 1983a; Poon et al., 1983; Elliot et al., 1983; Masur et
al., 1982b; Davis et al., 1983; Harris et al., 1983; Rubinstein et al.,
1983; Oleske et al., 1983; Ammann et al., 1983b). In 1983, for example, a
study found that hemophiliacs with no history of any of the proposed causes
of AIDS in homosexual men had developed the syndrome, and some of the men
had apparently transmitted the infection to their wives (deShazo et al.,
1983).

Many public health experts concluded that the clustering of AIDS cases
(Auerbach et al., 1984; Gazzard et al., 1984) and the occurrence of cases
in diverse risk groups could be explained only if AIDS were caused by an
infectious microorganism transmitted in the manner of hepatitis B virus
(HBV): by sexual contact, by inoculation with blood or blood products, and
from mother to newborn infant (Francis et al., 1983; Curran et al., 1984;
AMA, 1984; CDC, 1982f, 1983a,b).

Early suspects for the cause of AIDS were cytomegalovirus (CMV), because of
its association with immunosuppression, and Epstein-Barr virus (EBV), which
has an affinity for lymphocytes (Gottlieb et al., 1981; Hymes et al., 1981;
CDC, 1982f). However, AIDS was a new phenomenon, and these viruses already
had a worldwide distribution. Comparative seroprevalence studies showed no
convincing evidence to assign these viruses or other known agents a primary
role in the syndrome (Rogers et al., 1983). Also lacking was evidence that
these viruses, when isolated from patients with AIDS, differed
significantly from strains found in healthy individuals or from strains
found in the years preceding the emergence of AIDS (AMA, 1984).

Retrovirus Hypothesis

By 1983, several research groups had focused on retroviruses for clues to
the cause of AIDS (Gallo and Montagnier, 1987). Two recently recognized
retroviruses, HTLV-I and HTLV-II, were the only viruses then known to
preferentially infect helper T lymphocytes, the cells depleted in people
with AIDS (Gallo and Reitz, 1982; Popovic et al., 1984). The pattern of
HTLV transmission was similar to that seen among AIDS patients: HTLV was
transmitted by sexual contact, from mother to child or by exposure to
infected blood (Essex, 1982; Gallo and Reitz, 1982). In addition, HTLV-I
was known to cause mild immunosuppression, and a related retrovirus, the
lymphotropic feline leukemia virus (FeLV), caused lethal immunosuppression
in cats (Essex et al., 1975).

In May 1983, the first report providing experimental evidence for an
association between a retrovirus and AIDS was published (Barre-Sinoussi et
al., 1983). After finding antibodies cross-reactive with HTLV-I in a
homosexual patient with lymphadenopathy, a group led by Dr. Luc Montagnier
isolated a previously unrecognized virus containing reverse transcriptase
that was cytopathic for cord-blood lymphocytes (Barre-Sinoussi et al.,
1983). This virus later became known as lymphadenopathy-associated virus
(LAV). The French group subsequently reported that LAV was tropic for
T-helper cells, in which it grew to substantial titers and caused cell
death (Klatzmann et al., 1984a; Montagnier et al., 1984).

In 1984, a considerable amount of new data added to the evidence for a
retroviral etiology for AIDS. Researchers at the National Institutes of
Health reported the isolation of a cytopathic T-lymphotropic virus from 48
different people, including 18 of 21 with pre-AIDS, three of four
clinically normal mothers of children with AIDS, 26 of 72 children and
adults with AIDS, and one (who later developed AIDS) of 22 healthy
homosexuals (Gallo et al., 1984). The virus, named HTLV-III, could not be
found in 115 healthy heterosexual subjects.

Antibodies reactive with HTLV-III antigens were found in serum samples of
88 percent of 48 patients with AIDS, 79 percent of 14 homosexuals with
pre-AIDS, and fewer than 1 percent of hundreds of healthy heterosexuals
(Sarngadharan et al., 1984).

Shortly thereafter, the researchers found that 100 percent (34 of 34) of
AIDS patients tested were positive for HTLV-III antibodies in a study in
which none of 14 controls had antibodies (Safai et al., 1984b).

In a study in the United Kingdom reported later that year, investigators
found that 30 of 31 AIDS patients tested were seropositive for HTLV-III
antibodies, as were 110 of 124 individuals with persistent generalized
lymphadenopathy (Cheingsong-Popov et al., 1984). None of more than 1,000
blood donors selected randomly had antibodies to HTLV-III in this study.

During the same time period, HTLV-III was isolated from the semen of
patients with AIDS (Zagury et al., 1984, Ho et al., 1984), findings
consistent with the epidemiologic data demonstrating AIDS transmission via
sexual contact.

Researchers in San Francisco subsequently reported the isolation of a
retrovirus they named the AIDS-associated retrovirus (ARV) from AIDS
patients in different risk groups, as well as from asymptomatic people from
AIDS risk groups (Levy et al., 1984). The researchers isolated ARV from 27
of 55 patients with AIDS or lymphadenopathy syndrome; they detected
antibodies to ARV in 90 percent of 113 individuals with the same
conditions. Like HTLV-III and LAV, ARV grew substantially in peripheral
blood mononuclear cells and killed CD4+ T cells. The same group
subsequently isolated ARV from genital secretions of women with antibodies
to the virus, data consistent with the observation that men could contract
AIDS following contact with a woman infected with the virus (Wofsy et al.,
1986).

During the same period, HTLV-III and ARV were isolated from the brains of
children and adults with AIDS-associated encephalopathy, which suggested a
role for these viruses in the central nervous system disorders seen in many
patients with AIDS (Levy et al., 1985; Ho et al., 1985).

By 1985, analyses of the nucleotide sequences of HTLV-III, LAV and ARV
demonstrated that the three viruses belonged to the same retroviral family
and were strikingly similar (Wain-Hobson et al., 1985; Ratner et al., 1985;
Sanchez-Pescador et al., 1985). In 1986, the International Committee of
Viral Taxonomy renamed the viruses the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)
(Coffin et al., 1986).

Seroprevalence Surveys

Serologic tests for antibodies to HIV, developed in 1984 (Sarngadharan et
al., 1984; Popovic et al., 1984; reviewed in Brookmeyer and Gail, 1994),
have enabled researchers to conduct hundreds of seroprevalence surveys
throughout the world. Using these tests, investigators have repeatedly
demonstrated that the occurrence of AIDS-like illnesses in different
populations has closely followed the appearance of HIV antibodies (U.S.
Bureau of the Census, 1994). For example, retrospective examination of sera
collected in the late 1970s in association with hepatitis B studies in New
York, San Francisco and Los Angeles suggests that HIV entered the U.S.
population sometime in the late 1970s (Jaffe et al., 1985a). In 1978, 4.5
percent of men in the San Francisco cohort had antibodies to HIV (Jaffe et
al., 1985a). The first cases of AIDS in homosexual men in San Francisco
were reported in 1981, and by 1984, more than two-thirds of the San
Francisco cohort had HIV antibodies and almost one-third had developed
AIDS-related conditions (Jaffe et al., 1985a). By the end of 1992,
approximately 70 percent of 539 men in the San Francisco cohort with a
well-documented date of HIV seroconversion before 1983 had developed an
AIDS-defining condition or had a CD4+ T cell count of less than 200/mm3;
another 11 percent had CD4+ T cell counts between 200 and 500/mm3
(Buchbinder et al., 1994).

Retrospective tests of the U.S. blood supply have shown that, in 1978, at
least one batch of Factor VIII was contaminated with HIV (Evatt et al.,
1985; Aronson, 1993). Factor VIII was given to some 2,300 males in the
United States that year. In July 1982, the first cases of AIDS in
hemophiliacs were reported (CDC, 1982c). Through Dec. 31, 1994, 3,863
individuals in the United States with hemophilia or other coagulation
disorders had been diagnosed with AIDS (CDC, 1995a).

Elsewhere in the world, a similar chronological association between HIV and
AIDS has been noted. The appearance of HIV in the blood supply has preceded
or coincided with the occurrence of AIDS cases in every country and region
where cases of AIDS have been reported (Institute of Medicine, 1986; Chin
and Mann, 1988; Curran et al., 1988; Piot et al., 1988; Mann, 1992; Mann et
al., 1992; U.S. Bureau of the Census, 1994). For example, a review of
serosurveys associated with dengue fever in the Caribbean found that the
earliest evidence of HIV infection in Haiti appeared in samples from 1979
(Pape et al., 1983, 1993); the first cases of AIDS in Haiti and in Haitians
in the United States were reported in the early 1980s (CDC, 1982e; Pape et
al., 1983, 1993).

In Africa between 1981 and 1983, clinical epidemics of chronic,
life-threatening enteropathic diseases ("slim disease"), cryptococcal
meningitis, progressive KS and esophageal candidiasis were recognized in
Rwanda, Tanzania, Uganda, Zaire and Zambia, and in 1983 the first AIDS
cases among Africans were reported (Quinn et al., 1986; Essex, 1994). The
earliest blood sample from Africa from which HIV has been recovered is from
a possible AIDS patient in Zaire, tested in connection with a 1976 Ebola
virus outbreak (Getchell et al., 1987; Myers et al., 1992).

Serologic data have suggested the presence of HIV infection as early as
1959 in Zaire (Nahmias et al., 1986). Other investigators have found
evidence of HIV proviral DNA in tissues of a sailor who died in Manchester,
England, in 1959 (Corbitt et al., 1990). In the latter case, this finding
may have represented a contamination with a virus isolated at a much later
date (Zhu and Ho, 1995).

HIV did not become epidemic until 20 to 30 years later, perhaps because of
the migration of poor and young sexually active individuals from rural
areas to urban centers in developing countries, with subsequent return
migration and, internationally, due to civil wars, tourism, business travel
and the drug trade (Quinn, 1994).

HIV and Other Lentiviruses

As a retrovirus, HIV is an RNA virus that codes for the enzyme reverse
transcriptase, which transcribes the viral genomic RNA into a DNA copy that
ultimately integrates into the host cell genome (Fauci, 1988). Within the
retrovirus family, HIV is classified as a lentivirus, having genetic and
morphologic similarities to animal lentiviruses such as those infecting
cats (feline immunodeficiency virus), sheep (visna virus), goats (caprine
arthritis-encephalitis virus), and non-human primates (simian
immunodeficiency virus) (Stowring et al., 1979; Gonda et al., 1985; Haase,
1986; Temin, 1988, 1989). Like HIV in humans, these animal viruses
primarily infect cells of the immune system, including T lymphocytes and
macrophages (Haase, 1986, 1990; Levy, 1993).

Lentiviruses often cause immunodeficiency in their hosts in addition to
slow, progressive wasting disorders, neurodegeneration and death (Haase,
1986, 1990). SIV, for example, infects several subspecies of macaque
monkeys, causing diarrhea, wasting, CD4+ T cell depletion, opportunistic
infections and death (Desrosiers, 1990; Fultz, 1993). HIV is closely
related to SIV, as evidenced by viral protein cross-reactivity and genetic
sequence similarities (Franchini et al., 1987; Hirsch et al., 1989;
Desrosiers, 1990; Myers, 1992).

One feature that distinguishes lentiviruses from other retroviruses is the
remarkable complexity of their viral genomes. Most retroviruses that are
capable of replication contain only three genes--env, gag and pol (Varmus,
1988). HIV contains not only these essential genes but also the complex
regulatory genes tat, rev, nef, and auxiliary genes vif, vpr and vpu
(Greene, 1991). The actions of these additional genes probably contribute
to the profound pathogenicity that differentiates HIV from many other
retroviruses.

CD4+ T cells, the cells depleted in AIDS patients, are primary targets of
HIV because of the affinity of the gp120 glycoprotein component of the
viral envelope for the CD4 molecule (Dalgleish et al., 1984; Klatzmann et
al., 1984b; McDougal et al., 1985a, 1986). These so-called T-helper cells
coordinate a number of critical immunologic functions. The loss of these
cells results in the progressive impairment of the immune system and is
associated with a deteriorating clinical course (Pantaleo et al., 1993a).
In advanced HIV disease, abnormalities of virtually every component of the
immune system are evident (Fauci, 1993a; Pantaleo et al., 1993a).

Course of HIV Infection

Primary HIV infection is associated with a burst of HIV viremia and often a
concomitant abrupt decline of CD4+ T cells in the peripheral blood (Cooper
et al., 1985; Daar et al., 1991; Tindall and Cooper, 1991; Clark et al.,
1991; Pantaleo et al., 1993a, 1994). The decrease in circulating CD4+ T
cells during primary infection is probably due both to HIV-mediated cell
killing and to re-trafficking of cells to the lymphoid tissues and other
organs (Fauci, 1993a).

The median period of time between infection with HIV and the onset of
clinically apparent disease is approximately 10 years in western countries,
according to prospective studies of homosexual men in which dates of
seroconversion are known (Lemp et al., 1990; Pantaleo et al., 1993a; Hessol
et al., 1994). Similar estimates of asymptomatic periods have been made for
HIV-infected blood-transfusion recipients, injection drug users and adult
hemophiliacs (reviewed in Alcabes et al., 1993a).

HIV disease, however, is not uniformly expressed in all individuals. A
small proportion of persons infected with the virus develop AIDS and die
within months following primary infection, while approximately 5 percent of
HIV-infected individuals exhibit no signs of disease progression even after
12 or more years (Pantaleo et al., 1995a; Cao et al., 1995). Host factors
such as age or genetic differences among individuals, the level of
virulence of the individual strain of virus, as well as influences such as
co-infection with other microbes may determine the rate and severity of HIV
disease expression in different people (Fauci, 1993a; Pantaleo et al.,
1993a). Such variables have been termed "clinical illness promotion
factors" or co-factors and appear to influence the onset of clinical
disease among those infected with any pathogen (Evans, 1982). Most people
infected with hepatitis B, for example, show no symptoms or only jaundice
and clear their infection, while others suffer disease ranging from chronic
liver inflammation to cirrhosis and hepatocellular carcinoma (Robinson,
1990). Co-factors probably also determine why some smokers develop lung
cancer, while others do not.

As disease progresses, increasing amounts of infectious virus, viral
antigens and HIV-specific nucleic acids in the body correlate with a
worsening clinical course (Allain et al., 1987; Nicholson et al., 1989; Ho
et al., 1989; Schnittman et al., 1989, 1990a, 1991; Mathez et al., 1990;
Genesca et al., 1990; Hufert et al., 1991; Saag et al., 1991; Aoki-Sei et
al., 1992; Yerly et al., 1992; Bagnarelli et al., 1992; Ferre et al., 1992;
Michael et al., 1992; Pantaleo et al., 1993b; Gupta et al., 1993; Connor et
al., 1993; Saksela et al., 1994; Dickover et al., 1994; Daar et al., 1995;
Furtado et al., 1995).

Cross-sectional studies in adults and children have shown that levels of
infectious HIV or proviral DNA in the blood are substantially higher in
patients with AIDS than in asymptomatic patients (Ho et al., 1989; Coombs
et al., 1989; Saag et al., 1991; Srugo et al., 1991; Michael et al., 1992;
Aoki-Sei et al., 1992). In both blood and lymph tissues from HIV-infected
individuals, researchers at the National Institutes of Health found viral
burden and replication to be substantially higher in patients with AIDS
than in early-stage patients (Pantaleo et al., 1993b). This group also
found deterioration of the architecture and microenvironment of the
lymphoid tissue to a greater extent in late-stage patients than in
asymptomatic individuals. The dissolution of the follicular dendritic cell
network of the lymph node germinal center and the progressive loss of
antigen-presenting capacity are likely critical factors that contribute to
the immune deficiency seen in individuals with AIDS (Pantaleo et al.,
1993b).

More recently, the same group studied 15 long-term non-progressors, defined
as individuals infected for more than seven years (usually more than 10
years) who received no antiretroviral therapy and showed no decline in CD4+
T cells. They found that viral burden and viral replication in the
peripheral blood and in lymph nodes, measured by DNA and RNA PCR,
respectively, were at least 10 times lower than in 18 HIV-infected
individuals whose disease progression was more typical. In addition, the
lymph node architecture in long-term non-progressors remained intact
(Pantaleo et al., 1995a).

Longitudinal studies also have quantified viral burden and replication in
the blood and their relationship to disease progression (Schnittman et al.,
1990a; Connor et al., 1993; Saksela et al., 1994; Daar et al., 1995;
Furtado et al., 1995). In a study of asymptomatic HIV-infected individuals
who ultimately developed rapidly progressive disease, the number of CD4+ T
cells in which HIV DNA could be found increased over time, whereas this did
not occur in patients with stable disease (Schnittman et al., 1990a). Using
serial blood samples from HIV-infected individuals who had a precipitous
drop in CD4+ T cells followed by a rapid progression to AIDS, other groups
found a significant increase in the levels of HIV DNA concurrent with or
prior to CD4+ T cell decline (Connor et al., 1993; Daar et al., 1995).
Increased expression of HIV mRNA in peripheral blood mononuclear cells has
also been shown to precede clinically defined progression of disease
(Saksela et al., 1994).

In the longitudinal Multicenter AIDS Cohort Study (MACS), homosexual and
bisexual men for whom the time of seroconversion had been documented had
increasing levels of both plasma HIV RNA and intracellular RNA as disease
progressed and had CD4+ T cell numbers that declined (Gupta et al., 1993;
Mellors et al., 1995). Men who remained asymptomatic with stable CD4+ T
cell numbers maintained extremely low levels of viral RNA. These findings
suggest that plasma HIV RNA levels are a strong, CD4-independent predictor
of rapid progression to AIDS. Another longitudinal study found that
increasing plasma RNA levels were highly predictive of the development of
zidovudine (AZT) resistance and death in patients on long-term therapy with
that drug (Vahey et al., 1994).

Other evidence suggests that changes in viral load due to changes in
therapy can predict clinical benefit in patients. It was recently found
that the amount of HIV RNA in the peripheral blood decreased in patients
who switched to didanosine (ddI) after taking AZT and increased in patients
who continued to take AZT (NTIS, 1994; Welles et al., 1995). Decreases in
HIV RNA were associated with fewer progressions to new, previously
undiagnosed AIDS-defining diseases or death. This study provided the first
evidence that a therapy-induced reduction of HIV viral load is associated
with clinical outcome. Similarly, studies of blood samples collected
serially from HIV-infected patients found that a decrease in HIV RNA copy
number in the first months following treatment with AZT strongly correlated
with improved clinical outcome (O'Brien et al., 1994; Jurriaans et al.,
1995).

The emergence of HIV variants that are more cytopathic and replicate in a
wider range of susceptible cells in vitro has also been shown to correlate
with disease progression in HIV-infected individuals (Fenyo et al., 1988;
Tersmette et al., 1988, 1989a,b; Richman and Bozzette, 1994; Connor et al.,
1993, Connor and Ho, 1994a,b). Similar results have been seen in vivo with
macaques infected with molecularly cloned SIV (Kodama et al., 1993). It has
also been reported that HIV isolates from patients who progress to AIDS
have a higher rate of replication compared with HIV isolates from
individuals who remain asymptomatic (Fenyo et al., 1988; Tersmette et al.,
1989a), and that rapidly replicating variants of HIV emerge during the
asymptomatic stage of infection prior to disease progression (Tersmette et
al., 1989b; Connor and Ho, 1994b).

Immunologic Profile of People With AIDS

It is well established that a number of viral, rickettsial, fungal,
protozoal and bacterial infections can cause transient T cell decreases
(Chandra, 1983). Immune deficiencies due to tumors, autoimmune diseases,
rare congenital disorders, chemotherapy and other factors have been shown
to render certain individuals susceptible to opportunistic infections
(Ammann, 1991). As mentioned above, chronic malnutrition following World
War II resulted in PCP in Eastern European children (Walzer, 1990).
Transplant recipients treated with immunosuppressive drugs such as
cyclosporin and glucocorticoids often suffer recurrent diseases due to
pathogens such as varicella zoster virus and cytomegalovirus that also
cause disease in HIV-infected individuals (Chandra, 1983; Ammann, 1991).

However, the specific immunologic profile that typifies AIDS--a progressive
reduction of CD4+ T cells resulting in persistent CD4+ T lymphocytopenia
and profound deficits in cellular immunity--is extraordinarily rare in the
absence of HIV infection or other known causes of immunosuppression. This
was recently demonstrated in several surveys that sought to determine the
frequency of idiopathic CD4+ T-cell lymphocytopenia (ICL), which is
characterized by CD4+ T cell counts lower than 300 cells per cubic
millimeter (mm3) of blood in the absence of HIV antibodies or conditions or
therapies associated with depressed levels of CD4+ T cells (reviewed in
Fauci, 1993b; Laurence, 1993).

In a CDC survey, only 47 (.02 percent) of 230,179 individuals diagnosed
with AIDS were both HIV-seronegative and had persistently low CD4+ T cell
counts (<300/mm3) in the absence of conditions or therapies associated with
immunosuppression (Smith et al., 1993).

In the MACS, 22,643 CD4+ T cell determinations in 2,713 HIV-seronegative
homosexual men revealed only one individual with a CD4+ T cell count
persistently lower than 300 cells/mm3, and this individual was receiving
immunosuppressive therapy (Vermund et al., 1993a). A similar review of
another cohort of homosexual and bisexual men found no case of persistently
lowered CD4+ T cell counts among 756 HIV-seronegative men who had no other
cause of immunosuppression (Smith et al., 1993). Analogous results were
reported from the San Francisco Men's Health Study, a population-based
cohort recruited in 1984. Among 206 HIV-seronegative heterosexual and 526
HIV-seronegative homosexual or bisexual men, only one had consistently low
CD4+ T cell counts (Sheppard et al., 1993). This individual also had low
CD8+ T cell counts, suggesting that he had general lymphopenia rather than
a selective loss of CD4+ T cells. No AIDS-defining clinical condition was
observed among these HIV-seronegative men.

Studies of blood donors, recipients of blood and blood products, and
household and sexual contacts of transfusion recipients also suggest that
persistently low CD4+ T cell counts are extremely rare in the absence of
HIV infection (Aledort et al., 1993; Busch et al., 1994). Longitudinal
studies of injection-drug users have demonstrated that unexplained CD4+ T
lymphocytopenia is almost never seen among HIV-seronegative individuals in
this population, despite a high risk of exposure to hepatitis B,
cytomegalovirus and other blood-borne pathogens (Des Jarlais et al., 1993;
Weiss et al., 1992).

Mechanisms of CD4+ T Cell Depletion

HIV infects and kills CD4+ T lymphocytes in vitro, although scientists have
developed immortalized T-cell lines in order to propagate HIV in the
laboratory (Popovic et al., 1984; Zagury et al., 1986; Garry, 1989; Clark
et al., 1991). Several mechanisms of CD4+ T cell killing have been observed
in lentivirus systems in vitro and may explain the progressive loss of
these cells in HIV-infected individuals (reviewed in Garry, 1989; Fauci,
1993a; Pantaleo et al., 1993a). These mechanisms include disruption of the
cell membrane as HIV buds from the surface (Leonard et al., 1988) or the
intracellular accumulation of heterodisperse RNAs and unintegrated DNA
(Pauza et al., 1990; Koga et al., 1988). Evidence also suggests that
intracellular complexing of CD4 and viral envelope products can result in
cell killing (Hoxie et al., 1986).

In addition to these direct mechanisms of CD4+ T cell depletion, indirect
mechanisms may result in the death of uninfected CD4+ T cells (reviewed in
Fauci, 1993a; Pantaleo et al., 1993a). Uninfected cells often fuse with
infected cells, resulting in giant cells called syncytia that have been
associated with the cytopathic effect of HIV in vitro (Sodroski et al.,
1986; Lifson et al., 1986). Uninfected cells also may be killed when free
gp120, the envelope protein of HIV, binds to their surfaces, marking them
for destruction by antibody-dependent cellular cytotoxicity responses
(Lyerly et al., 1987). Other autoimmune phenomena may also contribute to
CD4+ T cell death since HIV envelope proteins share some degree of homology
with certain major histocompatibility complex type II (MHC-II) molecules
(Golding et al., 1989; Koenig et al., 1988).

A number of investigators have suggested that superantigens, either encoded
by HIV or derived from unrelated agents, may trigger massive stimulation
and expansion of CD4+ T cells, ultimately leading to depletion or anergy of
these cells (Janeway, 1991; Hugin et al., 1991). The untimely induction of
a form of programmed cell death called apoptosis has been proposed as an
additional mechanism for CD4+ T cell loss in HIV infection (Ameisen and
Capron, 1991; Terai et al., 1991; Laurent-Crawford et al., 1991). Recent
reports indicate that apoptosis occurs to a greater extent in HIV-infected
individuals than in non-infected persons, both in the peripheral blood and
lymph nodes (Finkel et al., 1995; Pantaleo and Fauci, 1995b; Muro-Cacho et
al., 1995).

It has also been observed that HIV infects precursors of CD4+ T cells in
the bone marrow and thymus and damages the microenvironment of these organs
necessary for the optimal sustenance and maturation of progenitor cells
(Schnittman et al., 1990b; Stanley et al., 1992). These findings may help
explain the lack of regeneration of the CD4+ T cell pool in patients with
AIDS (Fauci, 1993a).

Recent studies have demonstrated a substantial viral burden and active
viral replication in both the peripheral blood and lymphoid tissues even
early in HIV infection (Fox et al., 1989; Coombs et al., 1989; Ho et al.,
1989; Michael et al., 1992; Bagnarelli et al., 1992; Pantaleo et al.,
1993b; Embretson et al., 1993; Piatak et al., 1993). One group has reported
that 25 percent of CD4+ T cells in the lymph nodes of HIV-infected
individuals harbor HIV DNA early in the course of disease (Embretson et
al., 1993). Other data suggest that HIV infection is sustained by a dynamic
process involving continuous rounds of new viral infection and the
destruction and replacement of over 1 billion CD4+ T cells per day (Wei et
al., 1995; Ho et al., 1995).

Taken together, these studies strongly suggest that HIV has a central role
in the pathogenesis of AIDS, either directly or indirectly by triggering a
series of pathogenic events that contribute to progressive
immunosuppression.

Koch's Postulates Fulfilled

Recent developments in HIV research provide some of the strongest evidence
for the causative role of HIV in AIDS and fulfill the classical postulates
for disease causation developed by Henle and Koch in the 19th century
(Koch's postulates reviewed in Evans, 1976, 1989a; Harden, 1992). Koch's
postulates have been variously interpreted by many scientists over the
years. One scientist who asserts that HIV does not cause AIDS has set forth
the following interpretation of the postulates for proving the causal
relationship between a microorganism and a specific disease (Duesberg,
1987):

   * 1) The microorganism must be found in all cases of the disease.
   * 2) It must be isolated from the host and grown in pure culture.
   * 3) It must reproduce the original disease when introduced into a
     susceptible host.
   * 4) It must be found in the experimental host so infected.

Recent developments in HIV/AIDS research have shown that HIV fulfills these
criteria as the cause of AIDS.

1) The development of DNA PCR has enabled researchers to document the
presence of cell-associated proviral HIV in virtually all patients with
AIDS, as well as in individuals in earlier stages of HIV disease (Kwok et
al., 1987; Wages et al., 1991; Bagasra et al., 1992; Bruisten et al., 1992;
Petru et al., 1992; Hammer et al., 1993). RNA PCR has been used to detect
cell-free and/or cell-associated viral RNA in patients at all stages of HIV
disease (Ottmann et al., 1991; Schnittman et al., 1991; Aoki-Sei, 1992;
Michael et al., 1992; Piatak et al., 1993).

2) Improvements in co-culture techniques have allowed the isolation of HIV
in virtually all AIDS patients, as well as in almost all seropositive
individuals with both early- and late-stage disease (Coombs et al., 1989;
Schnittman et al., 1989; Ho et al., 1989; Jackson et al., 1990).

1-4) All four postulates have been fulfilled in three laboratory workers
with no other risk factors who have developed AIDS or severe
immunosuppression after accidental exposure to concentrated HIVIIIB in the
laboratory (Blattner et al., 1993; Reitz et al., 1994; Cohen, 1994c). Two
patients were infected in 1985 and one in 1991. All three have shown marked
CD4+ T cell depletion, and two have CD4+ T cell counts that have dropped
below 200/mm3 of blood. One of these latter individuals developed PCP, an
AIDS indicator disease, 68 months after showing evidence of infection and
did not receive antiretroviral drugs until 83 months after the infection.
In all three cases, HIVIIIB was isolated from the infected individual,
sequenced, and shown to be the original infecting strain of virus.

In addition, as of Dec. 31, 1994, CDC had received reports of 42 health
care workers in the United States with documented, occupationally acquired
HIV infection, of whom 17 have developed AIDS in the absence of other risk
factors (CDC, 1995a). These individuals all had evidence of HIV
seroconversion following a discrete percutaneous or mucocutaneous exposure
to blood, body fluids or other clinical laboratory specimens containing
HIV.

The development of AIDS following known HIV seroconversion also has been
repeatedly observed in pediatric and adult blood transfusion cases (Ward et
al., 1989; Ashton et al., 1994), in mother-to-child transmission (European
Collaborative Study, 1991, 1992; Turner et al., 1993; Blanche et al.,
1994), and in studies of hemophilia, injection drug use, and sexual
transmission in which the time of seroconversion can be documented using
serial blood samples (Goedert et al., 1989; Rezza et al., 1989; Biggar,
1990; Alcabes et al., 1993a,b; Giesecke et al., 1990; Buchbinder et al.,
1994; Sabin et al., 1993).

In many such cases, infection is followed by an acute retroviral syndrome,
which further strengthens the chronological association between HIV and
AIDS (Pedersen et al., 1989, 1993; Schechter et al., 1990; Tindall and
Cooper, 1991; Keet et al., 1993; Sinicco et al., 1993; Bachmeyer et al.,
1993; Lindback et al., 1994).

Evidence From Animal and Laboratory Models

A recent study demonstrated that an HIV variant that causes AIDS in
humans--HIV-2--also causes a similar syndrome when injected into baboons
(Barnett et al., 1994). Over the course of two years, HIV-2-infected
animals exhibited a significant decline in immune function, as well as
lymphocytic interstitial pneumonia (which often afflicts children with
AIDS), the development of lesions similar to those seen in Kaposi's
sarcoma, and severe weight loss akin to the wasting syndrome that occurs in
human AIDS patients. Other studies suggest that pigtailed macaques also
develop AIDS-associated diseases subsequent to HIV-2 infection (Morton et
al., 1994).

Asian monkeys infected with clones of the simian immunodeficiency virus
(SIV), a lentivirus closely related to HIV, also develop AIDS-like
syndromes (reviewed in Desrosiers, 1990; Fultz, 1993). In macaque species,
various cloned SIV isolates induce syndromes that parallel HIV infection
and AIDS in humans, including early lymphadenopathy and the occurrence of
opportunistic infections such as pulmonary Pneumocystis carinii infection,
cytomegalovirus, cryptosporidium, candida and disseminated MAC (Letvin et
al., 1985; Kestler et al., 1990; Dewhurst et al., 1990; Kodama et al.,
1993).[3]

In cell culture experiments, molecular clones of HIV are tropic for the
same cells as clinical HIV isolates and laboratory strains of the virus and
show the same pattern of cell killing (Hays et al., 1992), providing
further evidence that HIV is responsible for the immune defects of AIDS.
Moreover, in severe combined immunodeficiency (SCID) mice with human
thymus/liver implants, molecular clones of HIV produce the same patterns of
cell killing and pathogenesis as seen with clinical isolates (Bonyhadi et
al., 1993; Aldrovandi et al., 1993).

Geographic Considerations

Convincing evidence that HIV causes AIDS also comes from the geographic
correlation between rates of HIV antibody positivity and incidence of
disease. Numerous studies have shown that AIDS is common only in
populations with a high seroprevalence of HIV antibodies. Conversely, in
populations in which HIV antibody seroprevalence is low, AIDS is extremely
rare (U.S. Bureau of the Census, 1994).

Malawi, a country in southern Africa with 8.2 million inhabitants, reported
34,167 cases of AIDS to the WHO as of December 1994 (WHO, 1995a). This is
the highest case rate in the region. The rate of HIV seroprevalence in
Malawi is also high, as evidenced by serosurveys of pregnant women and
blood donors (U.S. Bureau of the Census, 1994). In one survey,
approximately 23 percent of more than 6,600 pregnant women in urban areas
were HIV-positive (Dallabetta et al., 1993). Approximately 20 percent of
547 blood donors in a 1990 survey were HIV-positive (Kool et al., 1990).

In contrast, Madagascar, an island country off the southeast coast of
Africa with a population of 11.3 million, reported only nine cases of AIDS
to the WHO through December 1994 (WHO, 1995a). HIV seroprevalence is
extremely low in this country; in recent surveys of 1,629 blood donors and
1,111 pregnant women, no evidence of HIV infection was found
(Rasamindrakotroka et al., 1991). Yet, other sexually transmitted diseases
are common in Madagascar; a 1989 seroepidemiologic study for syphilis found
that 19.5 percent of 12,457 persons tested were infected (Latif, 1994;
Harms et al., 1994). It is likely that due to the relative geographic
isolation of this island nation, HIV was introduced late into its
population. However, the high rate of other STDs such as syphilis would
predict that HIV will spread in this country in the future.

Similar patterns have been noted in Asia. Thailand reported 13,246 cases of
AIDS to the WHO through December 1994, up from only 14 cases through 1988
(WHO, 1995a). This rise has paralleled the spread of HIV infection in
Thailand. Through 1987, fewer than .05 percent of 200,000 Thais from all
risk groups were HIV-seropositive (Weniger et al., 1991). By 1993, 3.7
percent of 55,000 inductees into the Royal Thai Army tested positive for
HIV antibodies, up from 0.5 percent of men recruited in 1989 (U.S. Bureau
of the Census Database, December 1994). Seropositivity among brothel
prostitutes in Thailand rose from 3.5 percent in June 1989 to 27.1 percent
in June 1993 (Hanenberg et al., 1994). By mid-1993, an estimated 740,00
people were infected with HIV in Thailand (Brown and Sittitrai, 1994). By
the year 2000, researchers estimate that there may be 1.4 million
cumulative HIV infections and 480,000 AIDS cases in that country (Cohen,
1994b).

By comparison, South Korea reported only 25 cases of AIDS to the WHO
through Dec. 1994 (WHO, 1995a). In serosurveys in that country conducted in
1993, HIV seroprevalence was .008 percent among female prostitutes and
.00007 percent among blood donors (Shin et al., 1994).[4]

Evidence From Blood Donor-Recipient Pairs

By the end of 1994, 7,223 cumulative cases of AIDS in the United States
resulting from blood transfusions or the receipt of blood components or
tissue had been reported to the CDC (CDC, 1995a). Virtually all of these
cases can be traced to transfusions before the screening of the blood
supply for HIV commenced in 1985 (Jones et al., 1992; Selik et al., 1993).

Compelling evidence supporting a cause-and-effect relationship between HIV
and AIDS has come from studies of transfusion recipients with AIDS who have
received blood from at least one donor with HIV infection. In the earliest
such study (before the discovery of HIV), seven patients with
transfusion-acquired AIDS were shown to have received a total of 99 units
of blood components. At least one donor to each patient was identified who
had AIDS-like symptoms or immunosuppression (Curran et al., 1984).

With the identification of HIV and the development of serologic assays for
the virus in 1984, it became possible to trace infected donors
(Sarngadharan et al., 1984). The first reports of donor-recipient pairs
appeared later that year (Feorino et al., 1984; Groopman et al., 1984). In
one instance, HIV was isolated from both donor and recipient, and both had
developed AIDS (Feorino et al., 1984); in the other, the recipient was HIV
antibody-positive and had developed AIDS, and the donor had culturable
virus in his blood and was in a group considered to be at high risk for
AIDS (Groopman et al., 1984). Molecular analysis of HIV isolates from these
donor-recipient pairs found that the viruses were slightly different but
much more similar than would be expected by chance alone (Feorino et al.,
1984; Groopman et al., 1984).

In a subsequent study of patients with transfusion-acquired AIDS, 28 of 28
individuals had antibodies to HIV, and each had received blood from an
HIV-infected donor (Jaffe et al., 1985b). Similar results were reported
from a set of 18 patients with transfusion-acquired AIDS, each of whom had
received blood from an HIV-infected donor (McDougal et al., 1985b). Fifteen
of the 18 donors in this study had low CD4+/CD8+ T cell ratios, an immune
defect seen in pre-AIDS and AIDS patients.

Another group studied seropositive recipients of blood from 112 donors in
whom AIDS later developed and from 31 donors later found to be positive for
HIV antibody. Of 101 seropositive recipients followed for a median of 55
months after infection, 43 developed AIDS (Ward et al., 1989).

More recently, Australian investigators identified 25 individuals with
transfusion-acquired HIV whose infection could be traced to eight
individuals who donated blood between 1980 and 1985, and subsequently
developed AIDS. By 1992, nine of the 25 HIV-infected blood recipients had
developed AIDS, with progression to AIDS and death more rapid among the
recipients who received blood from the faster-progressing donors (Ashton et
al., 1994).

Impact of HIV Infection on Mortality of Hemophiliacs

As noted above, HIV has been detected in stored blood samples taken from
hemophiliac patients in the United States as early as 1978 (Aronson, 1993).
By 1984, 55 to 78 percent of U.S. hemophilic patients were HIV-infected
(Lederman et al., 1985; Andes et al., 1989). A more recent survey found 46
percent of 9,496 clotting-factor recipients to be HIV-infected, only 9 of
whom had a definitive date of seroconversion subsequent to April 1987
(Fricke et al., 1992). By Dec. 31, 1994, 3,863 individuals in the United
States with hemophilia or coagulation disorders had been diagnosed with
AIDS (CDC, 1995a).

The impact of HIV on the life expectancy of hemophiliacs has been dramatic.
In a retrospective study of mortality among 701 hemophilic patients in the
United States, median life expectancy for males with hemophilia increased
from 40.9 years at the beginning of the century (1900-1920) to a high of 68
years after the introduction of factor therapy (1971 to 1980). In the era
of AIDS (1981 to 1990), life expectancy declined to 49 years (Jones and
Ratnoff, 1991).

Another analysis found that the death rate for individuals with hemophilia
A in the United States rose three-fold between the periods 1979-1981 and
1987-1989. Median age at death decreased from 57 years in 1979-1981 to 40
years in 1987-1989 (Chorba et al., 1994).

In the United Kingdom, 6,278 males diagnosed with hemophilia were living
during the period 1977-91. During 1979-86, 1,227 were infected with HIV
during transfusion therapy. Among 2,448 individuals with severe hemophilia,
the annual death rate was stable at 8 per 1,000 during 1977-84; during
1985-92 death rates remained at 8 per 1,000 among HIV-seronegative persons
with severe hemophilia but rose steeply in those who were seropositive,
reaching 81 per 1,000 in 1991-92. Among 3,830 with mild or moderate
hemophilia, the pattern was similar, with an initial death rate of 4 per
1,000 in 1977-84, rising to 85 per 1,000 in 1991-92 among seropositive
individuals (Darby et al., 1995).

In a British cohort of hemophiliacs infected with HIV between 1979 and 1985
and followed prospectively, 50 of 111 patients had died by the end of 1994,
43 after a diagnosis of AIDS. Only eight of the 61 living patients had CD4+
T cell counts above 500/mm3 (Lee et al., 1995).

Pediatric AIDS

Newborn infants have no behavioral risk factors, yet 6,209 children in the
United States have developed AIDS through Dec. 31, 1994 (CDC, 1995a).

Studies have consistently shown that of infants born to HIV-infected
mothers, only the 15-40 percent of infants who become HIV-infected before
or during birth go on to develop immunosuppression and AIDS, while babies
who are not HIV-infected do not develop AIDS (Katz, 1989; d'Arminio et al.,
1990; Prober and Gershon, 1991; European Collaborative Study, 1991; Lambert
et al., 1990; Lindgren et al. 1991; Andiman et al., 1990; Johnson et al.,
1989; Rogers et al., 1989; Hutto et al., 1991). Moreover, in those infants
who do acquire HIV and develop AIDS, the rate of disease progression varies
directly with the severity of the disease in the mother at the time of
delivery (European Collaborative Study, 1992; Blanche et al., 1994).

Almost all infants born to seropositive mothers have detectable HIV
antibody, which may persist for as long as 15 months. In most cases, the
presence of this antibody does not represent actual infection with HIV, but
is antibody from the HIV-infected mother that diffuses across the placenta.
In a French study of 22 infants born to HIV-infected mothers, seven babies
had antibodies to HIV after one year and all developed AIDS. In these seven
infants, the presence of HIV antibodies marked actual infection with HIV,
not merely antibodies acquired from the mother. The other 15 children
showed a complete loss of maternally acquired HIV antibodies, were not
actually infected, and remained healthy. Of the babies who developed AIDS,
virus was found in four of four infants tested. HIV was not found in the 15
children who remained healthy (Douard et al., 1989; Gallo, 1991).

In the European Collaborative Study, children born to HIV-seropositive
mothers are followed from birth in 10 European centers. A majority of the
mothers have a history of injection drug use. A recent report showed that
none of the 343 children who had lost maternally transferred HIV antibodies
(i.e. they were truly HIV-negative) had developed AIDS or persistent immune
deficiency. In contrast, among 64 children who were truly HIV-infected
(i.e. they remained HIV antibody positive), 30 percent presented with AIDS
within 6 months of age or with oral candidiasis followed rapidly by the
onset of AIDS. By their first birthday, 17 percent died of HIV-related
diseases (European Collaborative Study, 1991).

In a multicenter study in Bangkok, Thailand, 105 children born to
HIV-infected mothers were recently evaluated at 6 months of age (Chearskul
et al., 1994). Of 27 infants determined to be HIV-infected by polymerase
chain reaction, 24 developed HIV-related symptoms, including six who
developed CDC-defined AIDS and four who died with conditions clinically
consistent with AIDS. Among 77 exposed but uninfected infants, no deaths
occurred.

In a study of 481 infants in Haiti, the survival rate at 18 months was 41
percent for HIV-infected infants, 84 percent among uninfected infants born
to seropositive women, and 95 percent among infants born to seronegative
women (Boulos et al., 1994).

Investigators have also reported cases of HIV-infected mothers with twins
discordant for HIV-infection in which the HIV-infected child developed
AIDS, while the other child remained clinically and immunologically normal
(Park et al., 1987; Menez-Bautista et al., 1986; Thomas et al., 1990; Young
et al., 1990; Barlow and Mok, 1993; Guerrero Vazquez et al., 1993).

Single Source Outbreak of Pediatric AIDS

Other researchers have used molecular epidemiology to find a single source
of HIV for an outbreak of pediatric AIDS cases in Russia. In that country
between 1988 and 1990, over 250 children were infected with HIV after
exposure to non-sterile needles. By June 1994, 43 of these children had
died of AIDS (Irova et al., 1993). In a recent report on 22 of these
children from two hospitals, 12 had developed AIDS. Molecular analysis of
HIV isolates from all 22 children showed the isolates to be very closely
related, confirming epidemiological data that these two outbreaks resulted
from a single source: an infant born to an HIV-infected mother whose
husband was infected in central Africa (Bobkov et al., 1994).

Answering the Skeptics: the "Risk-AIDS" or "Behavioral" Hypothesis

Skeptics of the role of HIV in AIDS have espoused a "risk-AIDS" or a
"drug-AIDS" hypothesis (Duesberg, 1987-1994), asserting at different times
that factors such as promiscuous homosexual activity; repeated venereal
infections and antibiotic treatments; the use of recreational drugs such as
nitrite inhalants, cocaine and heroin; immunosuppressive medical
procedures; and treatment with the drug AZT are responsible for the
epidemic of AIDS.

Such arguments have been repeatedly contradicted. Compelling evidence
against the risk-AIDS hypothesis has come from cohort studies of high-risk
groups in which all individuals with AIDS-related conditions are
HIV-antibody positive, while matched, HIV-antibody negative controls do not
develop AIDS or immunosuppression, despite engaging in high-risk behaviors.

In a prospectively studied cohort in Vancouver (Schechter et al., 1993a),
715 homosexual men were followed for a median of 8.6 years. Among 365
HIV-positive individuals, 136 developed AIDS. No AIDS-defining illnesses
occurred among 350 HIV-negative men despite the fact that these men
reported appreciable levels of nitrite use, other recreational drug use,
and frequent receptive anal intercourse. The average rate of CD4+ T cell
decline was 50 cells/mm3 per year in the HIV-positive men, while the
HIV-negative men showed no decline. Significantly, the decline of CD4+ T
cell counts in HIV-positive men and the stability of CD4+ T cell counts in
HIV-negative men were apparent whether or not nitrite inhalants were used.
There were 101 AIDS-related deaths among the HIV-seropositive men,
including six unrelated to HIV infection. In the seronegative group, only
two deaths occurred: one heart attack and one suicide. In this study,
lifetime prevalences of risk behaviors were similar in the 136
HIV-seropositive men who developed AIDS and in the 226 HIV-seropositive men
who did not develop AIDS: use of nitrite inhalants, 88 percent in both
groups; use of other illicit drugs, 75 percent and 80 percent,
respectively; more than 25 percent of sexual encounters involving receptive
anal intercourse, 78 percent and 82 percent, respectively. Among
HIV-seronegative men (none of whom developed AIDS), the lifetime
prevalences of these behaviors were somewhat lower, but substantial: 56
percent, 74 percent and 58 percent, respectively.

Similar results were reported from the San Francisco Men's Health Study, a
cohort of single men recruited in San Francisco in 1984 without regard to
sexual preference, lifestyle or serostatus (Ascher et al., 1993a). During
96 months of follow-up, 215 cases of AIDS had occurred among 445
HIV-antibody positive homosexual men, 174 of whom had died. Among 367
antibody-negative homosexual men and 214 antibody-negative heterosexual
men, no AIDS cases and eight deaths unrelated to AIDS-defining conditions
were observed. The authors found no overall effect of drug consumption,
including nitrites, on the development of Kaposi's sarcoma or other
AIDS-defining conditions, nor an effect of the extent of the participants'
drug use on these conditions. A consistent loss of CD4+ T cells was limited
to HIV-positive subjects, among whom there was no discernible difference in
CD4+ T cell counts related to drug-taking behavior. Among HIV-seronegative
men, moderate or heavy drug users had higher CD4+ T cell counts than
non-users.

Observational studies of HIV-infected individuals have found that drug use
does not accelerate progression to AIDS (Kaslow et al., 1989; Coates et
al., 1990; Lifson et al., 1990; Robertson et al., 1990). In a Dutch cohort
of HIV-seropositive homosexual men, no significant differences in sexual
behavior or use of cannabis, alcohol, tobacco, nitrite inhalants, LSD or
amphetamines were found between men who remained asymptomatic for long
periods and those who progressed to AIDS (Keet et al., 1994). Another
study, of five cohorts of homosexual men for whom dates of seroconversion
were well-documented, found no association between HIV disease progression
and history of sexually transmitted diseases, number of sexual partners,
use of AZT, alcohol, tobacco or recreational drugs (Veugelers et al.,
1994).

Similarly, in the San Francisco City Clinic Cohort, recruited in the late
1970s and early 1980s in conjunction with hepatitis B studies, no
consistent differences in exposure to recreational drugs or sexually
transmitted diseases were seen between HIV-infected men who progressed to
AIDS and those who remained healthy (Buchbinder et al., 1994).

Because many children with AIDS are born to mothers who abuse recreational
drugs (Novick and Rubinstein, 1987; European Collaborative Study, 1991), it
has been postulated that the mothers' drug consumption is responsible for
children developing AIDS (Duesberg, 1987-1994). This theory is contradicted
by numerous reports of infants with AIDS born to women infected with HIV
through heterosexual contact or transfusions who do not use drugs (CDC,
1995a). As noted above, the only factor that predicts whether a child will
develop AIDS is whether he or she is infected with HIV, not maternal drug
use.

AIDS and Injection Drug Users

Central to the "risk-AIDS" hypothesis is the notion that chronic injection
drug use causes AIDS (Duesberg, 1992), a view that is contradicted by
numerous studies.

Although some evidence suggests injection drug use can cause certain
immunologic abnormalities, such as reduction in natural killer (NK) cell
activity (reviewed in Kreek, 1990), the specific immune deficit that leads
to AIDS--a progressive reduction of CD4+ T cells resulting in persistent
CD4+ T lymphocytopenia--is rare in HIV-seronegative injection drug users in
the absence of other immunosuppressive conditions (Des Jarlais et al.,
1993; Weiss et al., 1992).

In a survey of 229 HIV-seronegative injection drug users in New York City,
mean CD4+ T cell counts of the group were consistently over 1000/mm3 (Des
Jarlais et al., 1993). Only two individuals had two CD4+ T cell
measurements of fewer than 300/mm3, one of whom died with cardiac disease
and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma listed as the cause of death. In a study of 180
HIV-seronegative injection drug users in New Jersey, the participants'
average CD4+ T cell count was 1169/mm3 (Weiss et al., 1992). Two of these
individuals, both with generalized lymphocytopenia, had CD4+ T cell counts
less than 300/mm3.

In the MACS, median CD4+ T cell counts of 63 HIV-seronegative injection
drug users rose from 1061/mm3 to 1124/mm3 in a 15 to 21 month follow-up
period (Margolick et al., 1992). In a cross-sectional study, 11
HIV-seronegative, long-term heroin addicts had mean CD4+ T cell counts of
1500/mm3, while 11 healthy controls had CD4+ T cell counts of 820 cells/mm3
(Novick et al., 1989).

Recent data also refute the notion that a certain lifetime dosage of
injection drugs is sufficient to cause AIDS in HIV-seronegative
individuals. In a Dutch study, investigators compared 86 HIV-seronegative
individuals who had been injecting drugs for a mean of 7.6 years with 70
HIV-seropositive people who had injected drugs for a mean of 9.1 years.
Upon enrollment in 1989, CD4+ T cell counts were 914/mm3 in the
HIV-seronegative group, and 395/mm3 in the seropositive group. By 1994,
there were 25 deaths attributable to AIDS-defining conditions in the
seropositive group; among HIV-seronegative individuals, eight deaths
occurred, none due to AIDS-defining diseases (Cohen, 1994a).

Excess mortality among HIV-infected injection drug users as compared to
HIV-seronegative users has also been observed by other investigators. In a
prospective Italian study of 2,431 injection drug users enrolled in drug
treatment programs from 1985 to 1991, HIV-seropositive individuals were 4.5
times more likely to die than HIV-seronegative subjects (Zaccarelli et al.,
1994). No deaths due to AIDS-defining conditions were seen among 1,661
HIV-seronegative individuals, 41 of whom died of other conditions,
predominantly overdose, liver disease and accidents. Among 770 individuals
who were HIV-seropositive at study entry or who seroconverted during the
study period, 89 died of AIDS-related conditions and 52 of other
conditions.

In HIV-seropositive individuals, a number of investigators have found no
statistical association between injection drug use and decline of CD4+ T
cell counts (Galli et al., 1989, 1991; Schoenbaum et al., 1989; Margolick
et al., 1992, 1994; Montella et al., 1992; Alcabes et al., 1993b, 1994;
Galai et al., 1995), nor a difference in disease progression between active
versus former users of injection drugs (Weber et al., 1990; Galli et al.,
1991; Montella et al., 1992; Italian Seroconversion Study, 1992).

Taken together, these studies suggest that any negative effects of
injection drugs on CD4+ T cell levels are limited and may explain why many
investigators have found that HIV-seropositive injection drug users have
rates of disease progression that are similar to other HIV-infected
individuals (Rezza et al., 1990; Montella et al., 1992; Galli et al., 1989;
Selwyn et al., 1992; Munoz et al., 1992; Italian Seroconversion Study,
1992; MAP Workshop, 1993; Pezzotti et al., 1992; Margolick et al., 1992,
1994; Alcabes, 1993b, 1994; Galai et al., 1995).

Sex and the AIDS Epidemic

It has been asserted "... in America, only promiscuity aided by aphrodisiac
and psychoactive drugs, practiced mostly by 20 to 40 year-old male
homosexuals and some heterosexuals, seems to correlate with AIDS diseases"
(Duesberg, 1991). Even a cursory review of history provides evidence to the
contrary: such behaviors have existed for decades --in some cases
centuries--and have increased only in a relative sense in recent years, if
at all, whereas AIDS clearly is a new phenomenon.

If promiscuity were a cause of AIDS, one would have expected cases to have
occurred among prostitutes (male or female) prior to 1978. Reports of such
cases are lacking, even though prostitution has been present in most if not
all cultures throughout history.

In this country, trends in gonorrheal infections suggest that extramarital
sexual activity was extensive in the pre-AIDS era. Cases of gonorrhea in
the United States peaked at approximately 1 million in 1978; between
250,000 and 530,000 cases were reported each year in the 1960s,
approximately 250,000 cases each year in the 1950s, and between 175,000 and
380,000 cases annually in the 1940s (CDC, 1987c, 1993b). Despite the
frequency of sexually transmitted diseases, only a handful of documented
cases of AIDS in the United States prior to 1978 have been reported.

Historians, archaeologists and sociologists have documented extensive
homosexual activity dating from the ancient Greeks to the well-established
homosexual subculture in the United States in the 20th century (Weinberg
and Williams, 1974; Gilbert, 1980-81; Saghir and Robins, 1973; Reinisch et
al., 1990; Doll et al., 1990; Katz, 1992; Friedman and Downey, 1994).
Depictions of anal intercourse, both male and female, can be found in the
art and literature of numerous cultures on all inhabited continents
(Reinisch et al., 1990). In the 1940s, Kinsey et al. reported that 37
percent of all American males surveyed had at least some overt homosexual
experience to the point of orgasm between adolescence and old age and that
10 percent of men were exclusively or predominantly homosexual between the
ages of 16 and 55 (Kinsey et al., 1948). More recent surveys have found
that 2 to 5 percent of men are homosexual or bisexual (reviewed in Friedman
and Downey, 1994; Seidman and Rieder, 1994; Laumann, 1994).

Many homosexuals had multiple sexual partners in the pre-AIDS era: a 1969
survey found that more than 40 percent of white homosexual males and
one-third of black homosexual males had at least 500 partners in their
lifetime, and an additional one-fourth reported between 100 and 500
partners (Bell and Weinberg, 1978). A majority of these men reported that
more than half their partners had been strangers before the sexual
encounters (Bell and Weinberg, 1978). Further evidence of extensive
homosexual behavior in the years preceding the AIDS epidemic comes from
reports of numerous cases of rectal gonorrheal and anal herpes simplex
virus infections among men (Jefferiss, 1956; Scott and Stone, 1966; Pariser
and Marino, 1970; Owen and Hill, 1972; British Cooperative Clinical Group,
1973; Jacobs, 1976; Judson et al., 1977; Merino and Richards, 1977;
McMillan and Young, 1978).

Drug Use in the Pre-AIDS Era

A temporal association between the onset of extensive use of recreational
drugs and the AIDS epidemic is also lacking. The widespread use of opiates
in the United States has existed since the middle of the 19th century
(Courtwright, 1982); as many as 313,000 Americans were addicted to opium
and morphine prior to 1914. Heroin use spread throughout the country in the
1920s and 1930s (Courtwright, 1982), and the total number of active heroin
users peaked at about 626,000 in 1971 (Greene et al., 1975; Friedland,
1989). Opiates were initially administered by oral or inhalation routes,
but by the 1920s addicts began to inject heroin directly into their veins
(Courtwright, 1982). In 1940, intravenous use of opiates was seen in 80
percent of men admitted to a large addiction research center in Kentucky
(Friedland, 1989).

While cocaine use increased markedly during the 1970s (Kozel and Adams,
1986), the use of the drug, frequently with morphine, is well-documented in
the United States since the late 19th century (Dale, 1903; Ashley, 1975;
Spotts and Shontz, 1980). For example, a survey in 1902 reported that only
3 to 8 percent of the cocaine sold in New York, Boston and other cities
went into the practice of medicine or dentistry (Spotts and Shontz). After
a period of relative obscurity, cocaine became increasingly popular in the
late 1950s and 1960s. Over 70 percent of 1,100 addicts at the addiction
research center in Kentucky in 1968 and 1969 reported use or abuse of
cocaine (Chambers, 1974).

The recreational use of nitrite inhalants ("poppers") also predates the
AIDS epidemic. Reports of the widespread use of these drugs by young men in
the 1960s were the impetus for the reinstatement by the Food and Drug
Administration of the prescription requirement for amyl nitrite in 1968
(Israelstam et al., 1978; Haverkos and Dougherty, 1988). Since the early
years of the AIDS epidemic, the use of nitrite inhalants has declined
dramatically among homosexual men, yet the number of AIDS cases continues
to increase (Ostrow et al., 1990, 1993; Lau et al., 1992).

In the general population, the number of individuals aged 25 to 44 years
reporting current use of marijuana, cocaine, inhalants, hallucinogens and
cigarettes declined between 1974 and 1992, while the AIDS epidemic worsened
(Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, 1994).

AZT and AIDS

Although some individuals maintain that treatment with zidovudine (AZT) has
compounded the AIDS epidemic (Duesberg, 1992), published reports of both
placebo-controlled clinical trials and observational studies provide data
to the contrary.

In patients with symptomatic HIV disease, for whom a beneficial effect is
measured in months, AZT appears to slow disease progression and prolong
life, according to double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical studies
(reviewed in Sande et al., 1993; McLeod and Hammer, 1992; Volberding and
Graham, 1994). A clinical trial known as BW 002 compared AZT with placebo
in 282 patients with AIDS or advanced signs or symptoms of HIV disease. In
this study, which led to the approval of AZT by the FDA, only one of 145
patients treated with AZT died compared with 19 of 137 placebo recipients
in a six month period. Opportunistic infections occurred in 24 AZT
recipients and 45 placebo recipients. In addition to reducing mortality,
AZT was shown to have reduced the frequency and severity of AIDS-associated
opportunistic infections, improved body weight, prevented deterioration in
Karnofsky performance score, and increased counts of CD4+ T lymphocytes in
the peripheral blood (Fischl et al., 1987; Richman et al., 1987). Continued
follow-up in 229 of these patients showed that the survival benefit of AZT
extended to at least 21 months after the initiation of therapy; survival in
the original treatment group was 57.6 percent at that time, whereas
survival among members of the original placebo group was 51.5 percent at
nine months (Richman and Andrews, 1988; Fischl et al., 1989).

In another placebo-controlled study known as ACTG 016, which enrolled 711
symptomatic HIV-infected patients with CD4+ T cell counts between 200 and
500 cells/mm3, those taking AZT were less likely to experience disease
progression than those on placebo during a median study period of 11 months
(Fischl et al., 1990). In this study, no difference in disease progression
was noted among participants who began the trial with CD4+ T cell counts
greater than 500/mm3.

A Veteran's Administration study of 338 individuals with early symptoms of
HIV disease and CD4+ T cell counts between 200 and 500 cells/mm3 found that
immediate therapy significantly delayed disease progression compared with
deferred therapy, but did not lengthen (or shorten) survival after an
average study period of more than two years (Hamilton et al., 1992).

Among asymptomatic HIV-infected individuals, several placebo-controlled
clinical trials suggest that AZT can delay disease progression for 12 to 24
months but ultimately does not increase survival. Significantly, long-term
follow-up of persons participating in these trials, although not showing
prolonged benefit of AZT, has never indicated that the drug increases
disease progression or mortality (reviewed in McLeod and Hammer, 1992;
Sande et al., 1993; Volberding and Graham, 1994). The lack of excess AIDS
cases and death in the AZT arms of these large trials effectively rebuts
the argument that AZT causes AIDS.

During a 4.5 year follow-up period (mean 2.6 years) of a trial known as
ACTG 019, no differences were seen in overall survival between AZT and
placebo groups among 1,565 asymptomatic patients entering the study with
fewer than 500 CD4+ T cells/mm3 (Volberding et al., 1994). In that study,
AZT was superior to placebo in delaying progression to AIDS or advanced ARC
for approximately one year, and a more prolonged benefit was seen among a
subset of patients.

The Concorde study in Europe enrolled 1,749 asymptomatic patients with CD4+
T cell counts less than 500/mm3. In that study, no statistically
significant differences in progression to advanced disease were observed
after three years between individuals taking AZT immediately and those who
deferred AZT therapy or did not take the drug (Concorde Coordinating
Committee, 1994). However, the rate of progression to death, AIDS or severe
ARC was slower among the "immediate" AZT group during the first year of
therapy. Although the Concorde study did not show a significant benefit
over time with the early use of AZT, it clearly demonstrated that AZT was
not harmful to the patients in the "immediate" AZT group as compared to the
"deferred" AZT group.

A European-Australian study (EACG 020) of 993 patients with CD4+ T cell
counts greater than 400/mm3 showed no differences between AZT and placebo
arms of the trial during a median study period of 94 weeks, although AZT
did delay progression to certain clinical and immunological endpoints for
up to three years (Cooper et al., 1993). Both this study and the Concorde
study reported little severe AZT-related hematologic toxicity at doses of
1,000 mg/day, which is twice the recommended daily dose in the United
States.

Uncontrolled studies have found increased survival and/or reduced frequency
of opportunistic infections in patients with HIV disease and AIDS who were
treated with AZT or other anti-retrovirals (Creagh-Kirk et al., 1988; Moore
et al., 1991a,b; Ragni et al., 1992; Schinaia et al., 1991; Koblin et al.,
1992; Graham et al., 1991, 1992, 1993; Longini, 1993; Vella et al., 1992,
1994; Saah et al., 1994; Bacellar et al., 1994). In the Multicenter AIDS
Cohort Study, for example, HIV-infected individuals treated with AZT had
significantly reduced mortality and progression to AIDS for follow-up
intervals of six, 12, 18 and 24 months compared to those not taking AZT,
even after adjusting for health status, CD4+ T cell counts and PCP
prophylaxis (Graham et al., 1991, 1992).

In addition, several cohort studies show that life expectancy of
individuals with AIDS has increased since the use of AZT became common in
1986-87. Among 362 homosexual men in hepatitis B vaccine trial cohorts in
New York City, San Francisco and Amsterdam, the time from seroconversion to
death, a period not influenced by variations in diagnosing AIDS, has
lengthened slightly in recent years (Hessol et al., 1994). In a Dutch study
of 975 males and females with HIV infection, median survival with AIDS
increased from nine months in 1982-1985, to 26 months in 1990 (Bindels et
al., 1994). Even taking into consideration the benefits of improved PCP
prophylaxis and treatment, if AZT were contributing to or causing disease,
one would expect a decrease in survival figures, rather than an increase
that parallels the use of AZT.

In an analysis from the San Francisco Men's Health Study, the investigators
note that 169 (73 percent) of 233 AIDS patients had been treated with AZT
at one time or another. However, 90 (53 percent of the 169) were diagnosed
with clinical AIDS before beginning AZT treatment, and another 51 (30
percent of the 169) had CD4+ T cell counts lower than 200/mm3 before
initiation of AZT treatment (Ascher et al., 1995). The authors conclude,
"These data are not consistent with the hypothesis of a causal role for AZT
in AIDS."

Disease Progression Despite Antibodies

It has been argued that HIV cannot cause AIDS because the body develops
HIV-specific antibodies following primary infection (Duesberg, 1992). This
reasoning ignores numerous examples of viruses other than HIV that can be
pathogenic after evidence of immunity appears (Oldstone, 1989). Primary
poliovirus infection is a classic example of a disease in which high titers
of neutralizing antibodies develop in all infected individuals, yet a small
percentage of individuals develop subsequent paralysis (Kurth, 1990).
Measles virus may persist for years in brain cells, eventually causing a
chronic neurological disease despite the presence of antibodies (Gershon,
1990). Viruses such as cytomegalovirus, herpes simplex and varicella zoster
may be activated after years of latency even in the presence of abundant
antibodies (Weiss and Jaffe, 1990). Lentiviruses with long and variable
latency periods, such as visna virus in sheep, cause central nervous system
damage even after the specific production of neutralizing antibodies
(Haase, 1990). Furthermore, it is now well-documented that HIV can mutate
rapidly to circumvent immunologic control of its replication.

Risks Associated With Transfusion

It has been argued that AIDS among transfusion recipients is due to
underlying diseases that necessitated the transfusion, rather than to HIV
(Duesberg, 1991). This theory is contradicted by a report by the
Transfusion Safety Study Group, which compared HIV-negative and
HIV-positive blood recipients who had been given transfusions for similar
diseases. Approximately three years after the transfusion, the mean CD4+ T
cell count in 64 HIV-negative recipients was 850/mm3, while 111
HIV-seropositive individuals had average CD4+ T cell counts of 375/mm3
(Donegan et al., 1990). By 1993, there were 37 cases of AIDS in the
HIV-infected group, but not a single AIDS-defining illness in the
HIV-seronegative transfusion recipients (Cohen, 1994d).

People have received blood transfusions for decades; however, as discussed
above, AIDS-like symptoms were extraordinarily rare before the appearance
of HIV. Recent surveys have shown that AIDS-like symptoms remain very rare
among transfusion recipients who are HIV-seronegative and their sexual
contacts. In one study of transfusion safety, no AIDS-defining illnesses
were seen among 807 HIV-negative recipients of blood or blood products, or
947 long-term sexual or household contacts of these individuals (Aledort et
al., 1993).

In addition, through 1994, the CDC had received reports of 628 cases of
AIDS in individuals whose primary risk factor was sex with an HIV-infected
transfusion recipient (CDC, 1995a), a finding not explainable by the
"risk-AIDS" hypothesis.

Exposure to Factor VIII

It has also been argued that cumulative exposure to foreign proteins in
Factor VIII concentrates leads to CD4+ T cell depletion and AIDS in
hemophiliacs (Duesberg, 1992). This view is contradicted by several large
studies. Among HIV-seronegative patients with hemophilia A enrolled in the
Transfusion Safety Study, no significant differences in CD4+ T cell counts
were noted between 79 patients with no or minimal factor treatment and 53
patients with the largest amount of lifetime treatments (cumulative totals
in the latter group ranged from 100,000 to 2,000,000 U in two years)
(Hassett et al., 1993). Although the CD4+ T cell counts seen in the low-
and high- groups (756/mm3 and 718/mm3, respectively) were 20 to 25 percent
lower than controls, such levels are still within the normal range.

In a report from the Multicenter Hemophilia Cohort Study, the mean CD4+ T
cell counts among 161 HIV-seronegative hemophiliacs was 784/mm3; among 715
HIV-seropositive hemophiliacs, the mean CD4+ T cell count was 253/mm3
(Lederman et al., 1995).

In another study, no instances of AIDS-defining illnesses were seen among
402 HIV-seronegative hemophiliacs treated with factor therapy or in 83
hemophiliacs who received no treatment subsequent to 1979 (Aledort et al.,
1993; Mosely et al., 1993).

In a retrospective study of patients with severe hemophilia A, the rate of
CD4+ T cell loss was 31.4 every six months for 41 HIV-seropositive
individuals without AIDS and 49.7 every six months for 14 HIV-seropositive
individuals with AIDS. In contrast, among 28 HIV-seronegative individuals,
CD4+ T cell counts increased at a rate of 13.1 cells/six months (Becherer
et al., 1990).

In a study of children and adolescents with hemophilia, the median CD4+ T
cell count of 126 HIV-seronegative individuals was 895/mm3 at study entry;
no individuals had CD4+ T cell counts below 200/mm3. In contrast, 26
percent of seropositive children had CD4+ T cell counts of less than
200/mm3; the mean CD4+ T cell count for seropositive children was 423/mm3
(Jason et al., 1994).

Although some reports have suggested that high-purity Factor VIII
concentrates are associated with a slower rate of CD4+ T cell decline in
HIV-infected hemophiliacs than products of low and intermediate purity
(Hilgartner et al., 1993; Goldsmith et al., 1991; de Biasi et al., 1991),
other studies have shown no such benefit (Mannucci et al., 1992; Gjerset et
al., 1994). In a study of 525 HIV-infected hemophiliacs, Transfusion Safety
Study investigators found that neither the purity nor the amount of Factor
VIII therapy had a deleterious effect on CD4+ T cell counts (Gjerset et
al., 1994). Similarly, the Multicenter Hemophilia Cohort Study found no
association between the cumulative dose of plasma concentrate and incidence
of AIDS among 242 HIV-infected hemophiliacs and thus "no support for
cofactor hypotheses involving either antigen stimulation or inoculum size"
(Goedert et al., 1989).

In addition to the evidence from the cohort studies cited above, it should
be noted that 10 to 20 percent of wives and sex partners of male
HIV-positive hemophiliacs in the United States are also HIV-infected
(Pitchenik et al., 1984; Kreiss et al., 1985; Peterman et al., 1988; Smiley
et al., 1988; Dietrich and Boone, 1990; Lusher et al., 1991). Through
December 1994, the CDC had received reports of 266 cases of AIDS in those
who had sex with a person with hemophilia (CDC, 1995a). These data cannot
be explained by a non-infectious theory of AIDS etiology.

Distribution of AIDS Cases

Certain skeptics maintain that the distribution of AIDS cases casts doubt
on HIV as the cause of the syndrome. They claim infectious microbes are not
gender-specific, yet relatively few people with AIDS are women (Duesberg,
1992).

In fact, the distribution of AIDS cases, whether in the United States or
elsewhere in the world, invariably mirrors the prevalence of HIV in a
population (U.S. Bureau of the Census, 1994). In the United States, HIV
first appeared in populations of homosexual men and injection drug users, a
majority of whom are male (Curran et al., 1988). Because HIV is spread
primarily through sex or by the exchange of HIV-contaminated needles during
injection drug use, it is not surprising that a majority of U.S. AIDS cases
have occurred in men.

Increasingly, however, women are becoming HIV-infected, usually through the
exchange of HIV-contaminated needles or sex with an HIV-infected male
(Vermund, 1993b; CDC, 1995a). As the number of HIV-infected women has
risen, so too have the number of female AIDS cases. In the United States,
the proportion of AIDS cases among women has increased from 7 percent in
1985 to 18 percent in 1994. AIDS is now the fourth leading cause of death
among women aged 25 to 44 in the United States (CDC, 1994).

In Africa, HIV was first recognized in sexually active heterosexuals, and
in some parts of Africa AIDS cases have occurred as frequently in women as
in men (Quinn et al., 1986; Mann, 1992a). In Zambia, for example, the
29,734 AIDS cases reported to the WHO through October 20, 1993, were
equally divided among males and females (WHO, 1995a,b).

AIDS in Africa

One vocal skeptic of the role of HIV in AIDS argues that, in Africa, AIDS
is nothing more than a new name for old diseases (Duesberg, 1991). It is
true that the diseases that have come to be associated with AIDS in
Africa--wasting, diarrheal diseases and TB--have long been severe burdens
there. However, high rates of mortality from these diseases, formerly
confined to the elderly and malnourished, are now common among HIV-infected
young and middle-aged people (Essex, 1994). In a recent study of more than
9,000 individuals in rural Uganda, people testing positive for HIV
antibodies were 60 times as likely to die during the subsequent two-year
observation period as were otherwise similar persons who tested negative
(Mulder et al., 1994b). Large differences in mortality were also seen
between HIV-seropositive and HIV-seronegative individuals in another large
Ugandan cohort (Sewankambo et al., 1994).

Elsewhere in Africa findings are similar. One study of 1,400 Rwandan women
tested for HIV during pregnancy found that HIV infected women were 20 times
more likely to die in the two years following pregnancy than their
HIV-negative counterparts (Lindan et al., 1992). In another study in
Rwanda, 215 HIV-seropositive women and 216 HIV-seronegative women were
followed prospectively for up to four years, during which time 21 women
developed AIDS (WHO definition), all of them in the HIV-seropositive group.
The mortality rate among the HIV-seropositive women was nine times higher
than seen among the HIV-seronegative women (Leroy et al., 1995)

In Zaire, investigators found that families in which the mother was HIV-1
seropositive experienced a five- to 10-fold higher maternal, paternal and
early childhood mortality rate than families in which the mother was
HIV-seronegative (Ryder et al., 1994b). In another study in Zaire, infants
with HIV infection were shown to have an 11-fold increased risk of death
from diarrhea compared with uninfected children (Thea et al., 1993). In
patients with pulmonary tuberculosis in Cote d'Ivoire, HIV-seropositive
individuals were 17 times more likely to die than HIV-seronegative
individuals (Ackah et al., 1995).

The extraordinary death rates among HIV-infected individuals confirm that
the virus is an important cause of premature mortality in Africa (Dondero
and Curran, 1994).

CONCLUSION

HIV and AIDS have been repeatedly linked in time, place and population
group; the appearance of HIV in the blood supply has preceded or coincided
with the occurrence of AIDS cases in every country and region where AIDS
has been noted. Among individuals without HIV, AIDS-like symptoms are
extraordinarily rare, even in populations with many AIDS cases. Individuals
as different as homosexual men, elderly transfusion recipients,
heterosexual women, drug-using heterosexual men and infants have all
developed AIDS with only one common denominator: infection with HIV.
Laboratory workers accidentally exposed to highly concentrated HIV and
health care workers exposed to HIV-infected blood have developed
immunosuppression and AIDS with no other risk factor for immune
dysfunction. Scientists have now used PCR to find HIV in virtually every
patient with AIDS and to show that HIV is present in large and increasing
amounts even in the pre-AIDS stages of HIV disease. Researchers also have
demonstrated a correlation between the amount of HIV in the body and
progression of the aberrant immunologic processes seen in people with AIDS.

Despite this plethora of evidence, the notion that HIV does not cause AIDS
continues to find a wide audience in the popular press, with potential
negative impact on HIV-infected individuals and on public health efforts to
control the epidemic. HIV-infected individuals may be convinced to forego
anti-HIV treatments that can forestall the onset of the serious infections
and malignancies of AIDS (Edelman et al., 1991). Pregnant HIV-infected
women may dismiss the option of taking AZT, which can reduce the likelihood
of transmission of HIV from mother to infant (Connor et al., 1994; Boyer et
al., 1994).

People may be dissuaded from being tested for HIV, thereby missing the
opportunity, early in the course of disease, for counselling as well as for
treatment with drugs to prevent AIDS-related infections such as PCP. Such
prophylactic measures prolong survival and improve the quality of life of
HIV-infected individuals (CDC, 1992b).

Most troubling is the prospect that individuals will discount the threat of
HIV and continue to engage in risky sexual behavior and needle sharing. If
public health messages on AIDS prevention are diluted by the misconception
that HIV is not responsible for AIDS, otherwise preventable cases of HIV
infection and AIDS may occur, adding to the global tragedy of the epidemic.

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      i got a few mail messages regarding my uploading of extracted
    nih article. No, i neither support nor deny it, but read again
    i was playing "debbil's advocate" here. One curious note; in many
    places i have read about hiv not causing aids, the same sorts of
    sites/publications also support stuff like crackpot new age 
    miracles; sitting under pyramids, channeling elvis, hugging
    trees that are close to crop circles, etc. Now, taken at face
    value Peter Deusberg et call would look like the folks PT
    Barnum warned us about. But in today's world or moral and 
    every other sort of relativism, and a medium like the web,
    where anyone can publich anything as "fact", etc, yadda, yadda
    then it becomes difficult to ferret out the truth telling 
    indian from the liars and charlatans. IN general western 
    medicine comes as close to perfection as any on earth.....
    just ask anybody in the medical governing bodies. They
    are brilliantly educated, articulate and thorough, where
    all the alternative types are on a credibility level with
    Agent Mulder, new age snake oil vendors and the clintoons.
    
       My honest opinion is that we will probably "never" know
    (in this lifetime and mortal sphere of existance) the real
    truth about aids, cancer, who shot the Kennedy's, ufo's
    and covert "black funded" cia, nsa, etc shennanigans. And
    perhaps the truth could be way stranger than any fiction;
    maybe aids is the wrath of a vengeful, jealous god, who
    has washed his hands of sinful man and turned certain groups
    over to the devil for punichment here and beyond. I know
    many Christian and non alike who believe aids was wrought by
    God, Gaia, or whatever vents it's spleen at man.
    
       The monkey bite or loose cannon airline steward-person, or
    is that stew-person does not hold water with me. 
    
       later, mebbee, ray
    
21.64BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Thu May 22 1997 19:497

	If you would like to see a written AND visual explaination of HIV, then 
check out this site:


		http://www.cellsalive.com/hiv0.htm
21.65PHXS01::HEISERMaranatha!Thu May 22 1997 20:566
|       My honest opinion is that we will probably "never" know
|    (in this lifetime and mortal sphere of existance) the real
|    truth about aids, cancer, who shot the Kennedy's, ufo's
|    and covert "black funded" cia, nsa, etc shennanigans. And
    
    Ray, some of us already know the truth about UFO's ;-)
21.66Not et'sUSDEV1::LEVASSEURhttp://www.ultranet.com/~bigbooty/Fri May 23 1997 10:059
    .65
    
       I also know the real truth about ufo's and they're not
    et's.....more spiritual/demonic in nature. I took me many
    years to come around to this mode of thinking. Even Jacques
    Vallee, a noted ufo researcher admitted this in one of his 
    books (sorry, can't remember the title off hand)
    
       ttfn, ray
21.67ACISS2::LEECHTerminal PhilosophyFri May 23 1997 13:0713
    And perhaps, a part of our technological explosion has to do with
    "forbidden knowledge" beind diseminated to mankind, as it was done in
    Genesis.
    
    There are a few interesting books written by insiders who claim that
    many techological advances were directly related to so-called UFO
    crashes/salvage.
    
    The Bible does claim that in the last days, things will be as they were
    in the days of Noah.  Superficially, there would seem to be a parallel.
    
    I always have fun speculating on these things, though I do not have any
    concrete opinion on it outside of the UFO/demonic connection.  
21.68BIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Fri May 23 1997 15:1839
    The Boston and Worcester AIDS Walks are almost upon us! As in past years,
    DIGITAL is having their own Pre-Registration in TWO facilities this year. 
    One will be in Littleton and one will be in Hudson. 

    On May 30th, from 11-1:00 we will have Pre-Registration for the Boston 
    Walk in the Tay 1 Cafe. A table will be set up, and someone from AIDS 
    Action will assist in collecting the pledge sheets and money.

    On the same day in HLO2 (May 30), a table will be set up outside the 
    Credit Union to collect pledges and money for Boston. The time for this 
    will be 11:30-2:00. 

    On June 6th, during the same time periods and same locations, tables will 
    be set up for collecting money/pledges for the Worcester Walk. A 
    representative from Worcester will be at this pre-registration as well.

    What does Pre-Registration do for you? The lines are long on the day of 
    the Walk. Depending on how much money you collect, you could end up 
    carrying the AAC/APW incentive prizes around with you. This would 
    eliminate that. 

    There is a prize from the DIGITAL Logo Store that will be given out to 
    the person who collects the most amount of pledges for either walk! So 
    regardless of whether you walk the Worcester or Boston Walks, you will 
    be elligible IF you come to Pre-Registration with your form/money. The 
    prize is a Sportsgear Jacket!

    Also this year, DIGITAL has made up some great t-shirts for the Walks. 
    These are in line with the Healthy Balance t-shirts many of you already 
    have. These are probably the best designed shirts for any of the Walks 
    we have had! Each Walker gets a t-shirt! 

    If you have any questions about Pre-Registration for Littleton, call 
    Donna Winston  227-3418 winston@mail.dec.com  or Patti Mahoney 227-3598
    mahoney@mail.dec.com. If you have any questions about the Hudson
    Pre-registration, call Glen Silva at 225-6306  gsilva@mail.dec.com.

    See you all at Pre-Registration!!!!!!!
21.69PHXS02::HEISERMaranatha!Fri May 23 1997 15:421
    Agreed, Ray.  So does the author of "Communion"
21.70Explosion on human wise stuffCRUISE::LEVASSEURhttp://www.ultranet.com/~bigbooty/Fri May 23 1997 16:0537
    .67 & .69
    
    Interesting thing about the forbidden knowledge. Sorry cannot
    remember exact Biblical, quote, but doesn't the Bible also say that
    in those end times human knowledge will explode exponentially?
    This sure seem to be the case, disposable "gospel" wisdom seems
    to be accumulating faster than a sanitary landfill full of
    "huggies" disposable diapers.
    
    What seems to be "cast in stone" scientific knowledge gets 
    negated and rewritten every so often. This also carries over to
    the "facts" about aids and stuff. Every time they learn all the
    answers, the questions get changed.
    
    For years and years we got along quite fine with radio (in low
    bandwidth mono) scratchy mono records, scratchy telephone
    communications, prop driven planes, etc, etc.
    
    Then after WWII in 1947, the transistor was born, I was born
    and a UFO crashes in New Mexico. yahoo! today marks the 50th
    year I was condemned to live out life on this loony rock.
    
    Well anyway, I remember reading somewhwere that in the 20th
    century man has amassed more useless knowledge than throughout 
    the entire history of mankind. I also read a couple of books 
    on Catholic end times prophecy stating that da debbill was
    given "carte blanc" run'o the planet, "satan, do your worst".
    Well he certainly seems to be running amock these days, but
    then humanist wise men, have indocrinated the masses that 
    satan does not exist. From my ex-military background, one
    tactic used to squash the opposition is to convince your enemy
    that "you as an enemy" do NOT exist.....sigh!...so much is
    racing to completion these days and hardly a soul can see it
    all unfolding.......but mebbee this si just a dress rehearsal...
    ...hmmmmmm.
    
    ray
21.71PHXS02::HEISERMaranatha!Fri May 23 1997 16:162
    Ray, that would be Daniel 12:4.  I think this applies to knowledge of
    the Bible as well.
21.72The Gospel UnsealedYIELD::BARBIERISun May 25 1997 15:178
    re: .71
    
    Amen, Mike.  And thus, I believe, knowledge of the gospel.  The
    unsealing of the written word will sound like seven thunders and
    be so momentous as to be rightly described (metaphorically) as 
    a giant spanning the entire planet as he proclaims (Rev 10).
    
    						Tony
21.73Updates were made..... tay 2 and where to meetBIGQ::SILVAhttp://www.ziplink.net/~glen/decplus/Wed May 28 1997 20:0128

The Boston AIDS Walk is almost upon us! As in past years, DIGITAL is having 
their own Pre-Registration in TWO facilities this year. One will be in 
Littleton and one will be in Hudson. 

On May 30th, from 11-1:00 we will have Pre-Registration for the Boston Walk in 
the Tay 2 Cafe. A table will be set up, and someone from AIDS Action will
assist in collecting the pledge sheets and money.

On the same day in HLO2 (May 30), a table will be set up outside the Credit 
Union to collect pledges and money for Boston. The time for this will be 
11:30-2:00. 

What does Pre-Registration do for you? The lines are long on the day of the
Walk. Depending on how much money you collect, you could end up carrying the 
AAC incentive prizes around with you. This would eliminate that. 

On the day of the Boston Walk, look for us at the corporate area, usually under 
the D, for DIGITAL! You won't be able to miss us with the GREAT t-shirts we 
have this year!

If you have any questions about Pre-Registration for Littleton, call Donna 
Winston  227-3418 winston@mail.dec.com  or Patti Mahoney 227-3598 
mahoney@mail.dec.com. If you have any questions about the Hudson
Pre-registration, call Glen Silva at 225-6306  gsilva@mail.dec.com.

See you all at Pre-Registration!!!!!!!