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Title:You get surface noise in real life too
Notice:Let's be conformist
Moderator:GOVT02::BARKER
Created:Thu Jul 28 1988
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:550
Total number of notes:3847

62.0. "Which Loudspeaker?" by SEDOAS::KORMAN (TGIF) Fri Dec 09 1988 13:05

   OK --
        
    It's upgrade time.. I've got the original Mission 770's- (not the
    Freedoms). Had em for about 6 years, used to be very happy with them
    till I upgraded the deck and got a CD.
            
    Now I find that they get muddy on complex orchestral and especially
    choral work, and the high end isn't all it should be,
            
    I am considering TDL monitors, Magnepan2.5's, Apogees if the share
    price goes back up :-). Any other suggestions - Tannoy? JBL? Infinity?
                                                                          
    As you may have gathered, I like a BIG sound - like being able to     
    feel the bass drum on the Telarc Planets CD and the 32' stop on
    the Albert Hall organ. I listen to all types
    of music, from Beethoven to Zizi Top! (couldn't think of one starting
    with 'A)                         
        
    Thanks for any suggestions...
        
    Dave
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62.1A question....BAHTAT::SALLITTAt Highfield with a Walkman....Fri Dec 09 1988 13:186
    What amp are you using?
    
    Dave
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62.2Hmm...depends...SEDOAS::KORMANTGIFFri Dec 09 1988 17:1916
    Well.... it depends...
    
    At the moment - a NAD1155 preamp, and a power amp of my own design
    that equates most nearly to the Musical Fidelity P170. (ie 100/150
    W into 8/4 ohm nominal). Not sure what to look at after that - but
    by then there'll be something new. The major requirement (apart
    from sound quality) is multiple inputs with tape-tape dubbing (hence
    the 1155!), since I also have two reel-reel tapes, Cassette and
    tuner to handle. Don't want or need tone controls, loudness etc,
    but switchable infra-bass filter useful                   
                                           
    Main source will be CD65II-SE or CDP373, possibly adding outboard
    D/A later.
          
    Dave K
          
62.3Isobariks.YARD::BRIGHTFrankly my damn, I don't give a dearFri Dec 09 1988 19:4013
I heard the *DEEPEST* bass I'd ever heard last weekend. It was
just into the first track on Tracey Chapperson's album, from an
LP12/Ekos/K9 via Linn LK1&2 into Linn Isobariks. Apart from
making everything in the room vibrate, there was a tune in the
bass line, too.

I'm going speaker shopping this weekend, I'll post some observations
on Monday.

Steve.

P.S. Did you actually *design* your amps, or build them from a
design?
62.4That's nothing mate!MEREK::CARPENTERHyper-intelligent MegabeingFri Dec 09 1988 21:139
    The *DEEPEST* bass I've heard came from a track called 'Eye Of The
    Beholder' from Metallica and the speakers I was using were Celestion
    DL6 Series 2's which roll the bass off at 65Hz. I'm sure that using
    speakers with a lower cut off would cause the cones to bottom out!
    
    
    Stephen.
    
    P.S. how about sharing your amp design with us?
62.5Some more for the listBAHTAT::SALLITTAt Highfield with a Walkman....Mon Dec 12 1988 00:3210
    re .2....
    
    Other models worth investigating, in addition to those you suggest,
    are Linn Isobariks (can be fussy about partnering equipment), and
    KEF R107's.
    
    I've never heard the KEFs, but reports have it that their bass is
    "seismic".
    
    Dave
62.6more news on speakersINCH::BRIGHTYou mean you CHOSE this colour??Mon Dec 12 1988 15:3443
62.7what about Celestions?BLIVIT::JUCHTue Jan 31 1989 02:1420
    What do people think of Celestion Sl6si, Sl600si, and Sl700?
    
    A shop is recommending them as a replacement for my QUADs.  I am
    using Celestions DL 8's as a spare pair, since my QUADs are getting
    re-tweetered.  I like the DL8's a lot, and presume even the Sl6si
    is a big improvement, but in the same vein as the 8's.  I use a
    subwoofer, so bass is not really a consideration.
    
    What kind of amps do people like with the Sl's?  I presume heavy
    watts, becasue of the inefficiency.  What are some competitive
    UK prices on these speakers?  Do any of your recommended shops
    ship to the US?
    
    Regards,
    Bill
    
    PS
    Latest tests reveal that the 473cdb disk player has more separation
    than the LINN/ITTOK/Ortofon mc/FMS Blue cable combination, but the
    LINN's presentation is more palpable and has a better sense of depth.
62.8Lots of power needed......BAHTAT::SALLITTDave - @RKG & ICI, 0642432193Tue Jan 31 1989 18:2022
    re .7....
    
    As a Quad user, you should be aware that a replacement just don't
    exist :-)
    
    Generally, the Celestion SLxx series produce a detailed if undynamic
    sound; it depends what you like and what you plan to use them with,
    of course. Bear in mind, though, that they are a specialist product,
    unlike your DL8's which are more general purpose and a different
    set of compromises.
    
    There was an excellent article by Noel Keywood in HiFi Review where
    he explains how he used a subwoofer, normally used with Celestion
    SL700s, alongside his Quad electrostatics; he uses a Musical Fidelity
    something-or-other behemoth to drive his Quads, plus a Quad606 to
    drive the subwoofer. An unbeatable combination, he says. If you're 
    interested in seeing a photocopy of the article, mail me.

    Several UK stores do UK-tax-free exports; whether or not that's
    a cost-effective way for you to buy speakers, I can't say.
    
    Dave
62.9'Subcity' on 'Crossroads' ?LNKHUB::WALLINDepartment of Redundancy DepartmentFri Nov 30 1990 17:4216
RE:      <<< Note 62.6 by INCH::BRIGHT "You mean you CHOSE this colour??" >>>

>The deep note I referred to earlier is just into the first track on
>the *second* side of Tracy Chapman's album. Like I said before the
>Isobariks rendition of it was *amazing*. So I picked up my new amps
>last week and bought the album so I could try it out with my old
>speakers: KEF 104's. With the speakers sitting on the cardboard boxes
>that the amps came in, the bass response was very woolly, but very
>pronounced. I tried the Tracy Chapman track and ... it wasn't there;
>the note just wasn't there at all!

    Just for the record, I realise this note is two years old, was this the
    tune 'Subcity' on the 'Crossroads' album ?

    /Hans_Wallin
    
62.10No it wasn'tSPAWN::BRIGHTCare for a liquorice allsort?Fri Nov 30 1990 19:536
.9 >> 'Subcity' on 'Crossroads' ?

No it wasn't. This was the track 'Mountains of Things' on her first album
(the one before Crossroads).

Steve
62.11D E E P B A S SCRATE::WATSONBack to monoFri Nov 30 1990 21:1113
    D E E P  B A S S

    	The most amazing bass I ever heard was a Rod Stewart track,
    Passion - don't know which album but can find out. This has a low bass
    line which is impressive enough BUT and even lower (possible in the
    8-10 Hz range) which could be felt (but not heard) in the room next
    door.

    	Rik.

    	PS The FGTH Two-Tribes 12-inch is amazing with the Lingo ...

    	PPS  NEVER PLAY THESE TRACKS IF YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE IN.
62.12How about...KERNEL::HOGGANDFri Jun 18 1993 13:594
    Has anyone any experience of the Castle York loudspeaker?
    
    Dave.