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Title:You get surface noise in real life too
Notice:Let's be conformist
Moderator:GOVT02::BARKER
Created:Thu Jul 28 1988
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:550
Total number of notes:3847

499.0. "To sub-woofer or not?" by PEKING::GERRYT () Wed Nov 09 1994 00:04

    To sub-woofer or not to sub-woofer? that is the question!
    
    I'm considering getting some smaller bookshelf loudspeakers for my
    lounge. Obviously, I don't want to loose all the bass I currently enjoy
    with my Sony APMs 22's, and wondered if anyone had any experiences
    (good or bad) with a Sub-woofer?
    I was considering the JPW system...mini-monitors and sub-woofer.
    Any comments guidance appreciated.
    
    Thanks,
    Tim
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499.1Passive or Active?SUBURB::TAFF::WobRobert Screene, UK Finance EUCWed Nov 09 1994 12:3151
499.2Bose?BAHTAT::HILTONBeer...now there's a temporary solutionWed Nov 09 1994 14:051
    And there's the Bose Acoustimass if your wallet can stand it...
499.3not for meHLDE01::SOEMBA::RIKMostly HarmlessWed Nov 09 1994 17:296
>    And there's the Bose Acoustimass if your wallet can stand it...

And your stomach^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H ears ...

                                                        
                                                  - Rik -
499.4What I've foundLARVAE::LINCOLN_JWed Nov 23 1994 16:337
	The sound of a system is likely to be 'lost' in a large room 
	without the extra bass, but in a small room the bass becomes
	overpowering.

	Tricky choice.

	-John
499.5A happy REL owner.KERNEL::HOGGANDFri Jan 26 1996 20:0314
    
    I'm using a REL Storm in a LINN Activ Kaber system and the subwoofer
    blends in virtually seelessly (using a test disc there is a slight
    overlap at 40Hz). It took a while to set up, but is definitely wotrh
    it, compared to my original Yamaha SW50. On both music and AV, the bass
    is solid, tight and where the signal requires, deep.
    
    There was a recent review staing that it was not worth the extra 200
    quid over a Strata - utter tosh. Whilst the Strat is good for AV, it
    isn't quite subtle enough for HIFI.
    
    One word of warning; if you are in a terrace and like dance music, keep
    well clear.
    
499.6Nice systemHIPS::WATSONDARK IN HERE, ISN'T IT?Sun Jan 28 1996 13:5616
    I wouldn't have thought Activ Kabers would need a subwoofer. Whenever
    I've heard them they've had more than enough bass for me. Also I
    thought that they went down to about 25Hz, not the 40Hz crossover point
    you talk of. The passive bi-amped Kabers I've go are very light on bass
    (nothing below 40Hz) so I could see a subwoofer being of use here.
    
    Still I wouldn't mind listening to them.
    
    Has anyone heard Linn's new Lk500 (This name could be wrong) for use in
    Home Cinema it's placed between Kabers and Keltiks.
    
    Rik - who misses his Isobariks and would like another LK100 so he could
    go Activ with his Kabers.
    
    Thinking about it I'd expect that active speakers make the best
    parteners for subwoofers as you can tune the crossover points etc.
499.7Just saving form my Klouts now,,,,,,KERNEL::HOGGANDMon Jan 29 1996 14:3239
    Rik,
    
    The activ Kabers are touted to go flat to 40Hz, are still audible
    at 31.5Hz, but not at 25Hz (the tones on the test disc). 
    
    One thing I've found, both on my system and a friends (3 Klouts and
    Kabers) is that the bass does extend to the low registers, but the
    subwoofer adds the that last bit. At those frequenices, instruments
    like bass guitars and drums, tend to lose a little volume;
    the subwoofer, when set up correctly, boosts the volume to be in line with 
    the original intent.
    
    An unusual artifact of the subwoofer is that the soundstage (or in my
    words, the depth) seems to increase. LINN never seem to have had a
    problem with this, but the subwoofer gives a more 3D feel to the music.
    
    
    Tracks were I have noticed special improvement (of those I've so far
    listened to) include...
    
    Annie Lennoxs' "Diva" and "Medusa" albums have an entire rhythm around 25 -
    30Hz throughout a lot of the tracks that I never heard on the Kabers.
    
    Finitrbes' "Dark" is currently listed as "only when the neighbours are
    out".
    
    Griegs' "Peer Gynt Suite" or Holsts'  "Planets" suddenly gain massive power.
    
    The The and Sinead O'Conner, whilst nothing new is recovered, both
    benefit from the tightening and strengthening of the bass in the lower
    registers.
    
    Beware of passive Kabers. They go flat to 60Hz, dip rapidly before a
    spike at 40Hz. A friend who set up his passive Kabers required a fair
    bit of playing around to get the sound right. Activ Kabers were much
    easier to set up.
    
    Dave.