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204.1 | Nice to have a bit more info. | TASTY::JEFFERY | Tears of disbelief spilling out of my eyes | Wed Sep 12 1990 13:19 | 43 |
| I'm not sure what sort of price British HiFi comes in at in Hong Kong, but I
imagine that Japanese stuff will probably be cheaper.
>> good speakers (around 80 per channel)
Either this means a lot of speakers! or they should be rated at 80 Watts per
channel. If I were you, I wouldn't make the power handling capacity your main
concern. It is, of course, important, but a good dealer should help, and if
the price is spread proportionately (?sp) amongst the parts then your speakers
will probably "match" the amplifier.
I wonder when you say good speakers, that the speakers should be good to the
detriment of the CD player or amp. Also, you give no idea of space constraints,
or budget.
Anyway, given that, here is what I'd be tempted to try, given that I am a bit
biased. I'm assuming that, as you are building your system up slowly, you don't
want to spend huge amounts of money.
CD-Player: Very little experience with them. I've heard that Denon and
Sony are very good makes. Maybe someone can help out here.
Amp: If Japanese stuff is very cost effective, then try stuff from
Denon. I'm a bit unsure about equipment from other Japanese
Manufacturers.
If, however, British stuff can be had for a reasonable price,
then have a look at the A&R Arcam Alpha, Creek CAS 4040 (I
may be out of date), NVA, Mission Cyrus 1 (apparently much
improved). All of these amps are reviewed favourably, and of
the ones I've heard (A&R, Creek, and Mission), very impressive,
and will sound better than their equivalent priced Japanese
counterparts (IMO).
Speakers: I suspect that space is at a premium, so I do recommend
Wharfedale Diamonds. I am, of course, totally biased, having
owned a pair for 5 years, and seen them sound much better than
the larger, more expensive Tannoy Mercury's that share my
Living Room. As for other speakers, I enjoyed listening to
Celestion Speakers.
I think other people can recommend some more.
Mark.
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204.2 | another 2p-worth.... | BAHTAT::SALLITT | Dave @RKG, 831-3117 | Wed Sep 12 1990 17:27 | 22 |
| .1 makes a lot of sense. At one time I would have suggested you buy the
best CD player you can that still leaves room in your budget for
reasonably competent amp and speakers; now I'm not so sure. CD
developments are coming so fast these days that anything you buy now
will likely be out of date within months if not weeks.
Until the situation stabilises, personally I would go for good midrange
amplifier that will accept the sources you want to use now or in the
future, and some good low-end speakers. Any that Mark has listed will
deliver in terms of sound quality, and there are some very good
speakers around now at the low end. For the CD, go for the cheapest you
can find that sounds right for you with your chosen amp and speakers,
and spend any cash you have left on expanding your CD collection.
If the CD player situation stabilises, and you want to upgrade, change
your CD player first, then the amp. The speakers should be the last
thing to upgrade.
Whatever you do, listen before you buy. Your ears, and nobody else's,
should decide.
Dave
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204.3 | My 2 cents | HKGACT::CHAKLEE | Easy Going | Thu Sep 13 1990 06:51 | 19 |
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Re: .0
This is not only for you. I also need comment from British fellows.
I know there is a tube-preamp-amp from Audio Innovation. In Hong Kong
it is about $10000 (800 pounds). I think the tube design can soft some
hard and cold sound from CDs. Right?
Rosewood LS3/5A will work best with tube amps. Agree? British fellows?
Of course you need a good speaker stand for the LS3/5A.
For CD, try DENON, PHILIPS and SONY. If you can pay more, try REVOX.
HK$20000 is a reasonable price to start with. Tell me your budget, may
be I can give you some more info.
Chak.
Hong Kong EIS.
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204.4 | 1K Pounds | HGOVC::HEERJEE | The Daemon Himself | Thu Sep 13 1990 11:56 | 4 |
| Okay, I was looking more in the range of HK$15K to HK$20K (approx 1K
pounds).
Kaizad
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204.5 | | KERNEL::CARPENTERS | Stephen Carpenter - ULTRIX customer support | Thu Sep 13 1990 16:35 | 8 |
| Try listening to a Technics SLP-277 CD, it costs #160, uses MASH
decoding and sounds quite nice. I think Dave is right about the
rapid changes in the CD market at the moment and I'm putting off
replacing my Technics SLP-350 (2 yrs old, 16 x 4 bit oversampling)
for at least another year.
Stephen.
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204.6 | If you can go for more expensive amps... | TASTY::JEFFERY | Tears of disbelief spilling out of my eyes | Thu Sep 13 1990 17:00 | 17 |
204.7 | And QUAD ? | PEKING::GERRYT | | Thu Sep 13 1990 17:12 | 8 |
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IMHO.......
Just go for QUAD and have done with it !
(with the caviat re CD player...or will the technological developments
always be leaping ahead anyway ?)
Timbo
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204.8 | | HAMPS::LINCOLN_J | Where sheep dare | Thu Sep 13 1990 17:19 | 7 |
204.9 | The front of the front-end is crucial | WOTVAX::MEAKINS | Clive Meakins | Thu Sep 13 1990 19:44 | 20 |
| If you decide to buy a cheap "throw-away" CD player then that's a good
strategy, if you find the sound acceptable - especially over prolonged
listening sessions. If you go for a CD that is a little (or much) more
expensive, be aware that improvements come not only from the
electronics, but also from the quality of the CD transport.
When going for a more expensive CD player you should ensure that the
transport is a good one, that way you can keep the CD and use it as a
transport with any new Digital to Analogue Convertor (DAC) that comes
onto the market.
An alternative is to buy a CD transport only, some new ones are just
coming on the market. The area where technology advances are being made
is at the DAC end at the moment.
I believe your decision on the CD comes down to what price level you
will be happy with. If you like the sound of what I call the
"throw-away" CDs, then these are the most cost-effective solution for
you.
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204.10 | Start all over again | HKGACT::CHAKLEE | Easy Going | Fri Sep 14 1990 06:27 | 19 |
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For amp and speakers, you can get the best (in terms of price/perf.)
from the British. I suggest to you a reasonable combination of British
amp-speaker.
Amp - as described in .1, Creek, Arcam Alpha, Audiolab and Cryus. All
of them are around HK$4000-6000.
Speaker - Celestion 3 (HK$1800). Too cheap to criticize.
CD - In the range of HK$3000-5000. Just take your preference.
If I can start all over again, the above combination is enough to
satisfy my requirement. However, in the past few years, I spent 5 times
of the above and get only a few percent better than that. What else can
you say?
Chak.
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204.11 | I Agree | PEKING::GERRYT | | Fri Sep 14 1990 17:47 | 7 |
| Well said Chak...
There must be a point at which the difference in performance really doesn't
warrant the extra price of the kit. (or is it like car badging for the
living room ?)
Timbo
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204.12 | Personal choice and opinion | WOTVAX::MEAKINS | Clive Meakins | Fri Sep 14 1990 18:51 | 14 |
| > There must be a point at which the difference in performance really doesn't
> warrant the extra price of the kit. (or is it like car badging for the
> living room ?)
Absolutely correct, everyone must make their own decision on this.
Different people value differing sound differently. At one extreme, it
would be hard to justify spending say, 5,000 pounds on a system for
someone who only listens to music in the background.
Also some people are more "musically sensitive" than others. Other
people spend megabucks on cars, holidays, meals, booze etc. It's
really a matter of setting one's personal priorities (unless you are
really rich!).
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204.13 | Deck/Amp/Speaker recommendations | 52925::MACFADYEN | I can't think straight, that's all | Wed Mar 11 1992 12:27 | 14 |
204.14 | 1st stabb | FUTURS::WATSON | Rik Watson | Wed Mar 11 1992 12:58 | 15 |
204.15 | A speaker question | 52925::MACFADYEN | A dog will hunt | Wed Mar 18 1992 18:35 | 9 |
204.16 | DL4 Mk II | SEDOAS::STEPHEN_I | | Thu Mar 19 1992 10:28 | 15 |
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Rod,
I went through the same thing at Reading Hifi last year.
I had a Cyrus I with a technics CD player and wanted a pair of
Celestion 3 or 5's. After hearing the DL 4 Mk II's at Reading
Hifi I bought a pair. They presented a more integrated sound !
The 3's and 5's seemed to have a harshness to them that the DL 4's
hadn't displayed.
I'm using them now with an Audiolab 8000P and Rotel CD player and
they're still holding their own (just).
Iain.
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204.17 | Some advice to disregard.... | FORTY2::GROOM | | Thu Mar 19 1992 17:30 | 15 |
204.18 | | 52925::MACFADYEN | slip inside this house | Fri Mar 20 1992 12:55 | 9 |
| Sounds like the DL4 are a better buy then.
Re -1: Why did you choose the Linn over the Rega? My impression was
that there was very little in it, but I thought the Rega was better at
high frequencies, plus sounded more "musical". However I feel very much
a beginner at all this so you may want to disregard my opinion...
Rod
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204.19 | I preferred the REGA too, but then I'm biased! | TASTY::JEFFERY | You get surface noise in real life! | Wed Mar 25 1992 11:08 | 9 |
| I found the same when I was looking at amplifiers. At the Basingstoke
HiFi shop, I listened to the Arcam Delta 60 to my Diamonds using a Linn
Basik as the front end. At Reading, they were able to use a REGA II.
I know there were some hours in between, and that the rooms are different,
but I definitely preferred the sound of the REGA. Besides, first impressions
of the Basik are that it looks very cheaply made (unlike the Axis or LP12).
Mark.
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