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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
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3956.0. "PYRAMID Info Needed" by MIMS::SANDERS_J () Thu Jun 22 1995 14:18

    I am looking for information on PYRAMID.  What is their revenue?  Have
    they been profitable lately?  What chip is used in their systems?  What
    flavor of UNIX do they use?  What markets are they strong in?  Strengths
    and weaknesses in their product line, etc.
    
    Any information on PYRAMID or any personal experiences in competition
    with them would be appreciated. 
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3956.1Dun & Bradstreet reportHYLNDR::PRESTIDGEEnterprise Systems EngineeringThu Jun 22 1995 20:3910
    
    Talk to your site (or nearest) librarian.  They should be able to help
    you by running (or finding someone who can run) a Dun & Bradstreet
    report on this company to get you this info.  There will be a small
    charge to your cost center for the info.
    
    About 6 months or so ago, I needed the ZKO library's help for this
    and I got what I needed.
    
    Good luck. -John
3956.2WWW SEC Edgar databaseBREAKR::HAThu Jun 22 1995 21:496
    Try opening http://town.hall.org/edgar/edgar.html and doing a
    search for "pyramid"
    
    
    							Michael
    
3956.3Try this..RDGENG::WILLIAMS_AFri Jun 23 1995 08:146
    Contact Ken Jacobsen @ HHL (Enterprise House, London) - he may have
    specific advice for you.
    
    Rgds,
    
    AW
3956.4Siemens bought them?CAMRY::HILMANericFri Jun 23 1995 12:4614
I believe that Pyramid was bought by Siemens about 6months or 
year ago in an effort to gain a foothold into the US 
market.  They have a product family based on the MIPS 
chip.  It is  basically a server kind of product line, 
possibly with SMP (dont know). Siemens has a similar 
product line and presumably there is a plan to merge 
the two.

I suggest that you look for the press releases about
the merger and find information about Siemens-Nixdorf 
Information Systems (as the computer division is 
called at Siemens).

regards
3956.5Peter HodgeNCMAIL::PEIRCEFri Jun 23 1995 13:3313
    Peter Hodge, AlphaServer Marketing, has an internal document that gives 
    a short, concise overview of all Turbolaser competitors, including 
    Pyramid, SP-2, etc.  It was written by outside consultant who is very
    familar with high-end machines.
    
    The long and short, they have an excellent relationship with Oracle and
    have many high-end database references, among them is their flagship
    Fidelity.
    
    Good luck,
    
    Palo Peirce
    
3956.6Thanks!MIMS::SANDERS_JFri Jun 23 1995 15:195
    Thanks to all.  Both the MRO and ZKO libraries did respond promptly
    with all kinds of good info (and in volume amounts).
    
    John
    
3956.7Oracle is pushing parallel processorsOTOOA::BELLONIFri Jun 23 1995 19:378
    Better listen up here, in face to the much touted Oracle/Digital
    relationship touting the Turbolaser, the Oracle field people are going
    around recommending that massively parallel processors are what Oracle
    runs on the best. This is also the information being delivered by
    independant consultants. The basic message is, especially for
    datwarehousing applications, buy Pyramid, Sequent, SP2.
    
    Les
3956.8MPP vs. SORTSMIMS::SANDERS_JFri Jun 23 1995 20:4310
    I just spent a week with Jim Cassell, Group Vice-President for The
    Gartner Group and respected industry analyst.  He said that the MPP
    machines are fine for "special purpose" applications, but are NOT fine
    for general purpose computing.  They don't SORT very well.  According
    to Gartner, 30% of all mainframe CPU cycles are used performing SORTS. 
    If you are replacing the mainframe with an MPP machine, you will be
    killed on the sorts.  He said that when Digital (ALPHA) is facing
    competition from MPP systems for a general purpose computing
    environment, have the customer runs some SORTS or have the MPP vendor
    provide some benchmarking numbers for SORTS.  He said ALPHA will win.
3956.9hieroglyphsMUNICH::REINIt's not Burgundy, it's Bordeaux!!Mon Jun 26 1995 13:303
    I know from an archeologist, that the old egypt kings from the nile
    were able to use wireless communication, because no one fragment of
    copper cable was found, but chips?
3956.10Brain On Idle, Fingers in GearHLDE01::VUURBOOM_RRoelof Vuurboom @ APD, DTN 829 4066Mon Jun 26 1995 14:2528
>    I know from an archeologist, that the old egypt kings from the nile
>    were able to use wireless communication, because no one fragment of
>    copper cable was found, but chips?
    
    Wire doesn't necessarily have to be Coppertone, Egypt has an
    awful lot of silicon in those sand dunes and that makes glass
    fiber a far more logical choice :-)
    
    And here's another fact on hieroglyphs aimed at making you more
    effective in your job function: You can "glyph" both ways with
    hieroglyphs: both leftwards and rightwards. Standard protocol
    (as near as I can make out)  was to have the glyphs facing the nearest 
    Pharoah/God. So you would start off facing towards the right until you 
    got to the Pharoah reference and then invert facing left as you went 
    past the reference.
    
    If you're ever stuck in the desert with a couple of hundred gallons
    of water and nothing to do for a couple of months I can highly 
    recommend the study of hieroglyphs...another feature that you
    rarely see in Roman alphabetic sequences is the use of the glyph
    to provide both meaning in a sentence and meaning as part of 
    picture in other words meaning at both the denotational and
    graphical levels displaying some pretty sophisticated
    self-referentialism (Hofstadter eat cake)..but more about that on 
    another rainy day....
    
    re roelof
    
3956.11ICS::BEANAttila the Hun was a LIBERAL!Mon Jun 26 1995 15:184
    Gee, Roelof
    It must be POURING over there!
    
    ;)
3956.12WHat else is it good for ?WELCLU::SHARKEYALoginN - even makes the coffee@Tue Jun 27 1995 08:015
    Also, don't forget that the Egyptians had an AMAZING way of sharpening
    razor blades !
    
    Alan
    
3956.13Pyramid Competitive InfoHPCGRP::HODGEPeter Hodge Enterprise Solutions Initiative Data WarehouseThu Jul 06 1995 14:00740
Here is the document refered to in an earlier reply.  I moved the Pyramid 
section to the front but left the other material for reference.



		  

		     ALPHASERVER 8400 (TURBOLASER) 
				  FOR 
			    DATA WAREHOUSE
			 COMPETITIVE ANALYSIS

              Digital Equipment Corporation Internal Use Only 
			       July 1, 1995


Introduction

The following document was prepared to help you compete against the many other 
vendors in the high end data warehouse market arena.  This was developed from 
the high end view point, i.e. 100 GB and higher data warehouses.  Systems with 
both SMP and MPP architectures are represented.  

The format is a description of each vendor's hardware and capability followed 
by a brief strengths and weaknesses section.  This is followed by a "selling 
turbolaser against" discussion.  This document enumerates the important 
differentiators for participants in the high-end DBMS marketplace.  The last 
two pages are a reference summary of strengths and weaknesses.
 
This document is for Digital Internal Use Only! 


7. Pyramid Technology Corporation  

Pyramid provides both SMP and MPP
systems specifically targeted at the high-end marketplace.  The Nile 150 SMP
can be configured with up to sixteen R4400 CPUs and 4 GB of primary memory.
Pyramid has recently upgraded to the 200 MHz R4400 with a SPECint92 rating
of approximately 135 per CPU.  Pyramid has been providing SMP solutions
to the high-end marketplace for over ten years, and has some of the best
references in the industry.  They were one of the first UNIX vendors to 
implement Oracle Parallel Server in a clustered SMP environment (with mode 3
capability), and currently allow up to a four node cluster with each node
consisting of up to sixteen CPUs.  Pyramid supports Oracle, Informix, Sybase,
Ingres and other DBMS products - but is clearly biased toward Oracle.  
Over eighty percent of all Pyramid installs run Oracle. The weak point in the 
Nile 150 SMP architecture is found in the extend bus architecture which 
peaks at 100 MB/s in I/O bandwidth using a maximum of four 
extend buses at 25 MB/s each (actual sustained I/O bandwidth is around 80 
MB/s.  The system bus is 400 MB/s and is rarely the bottleneck as compared to 
the I/O extend buses in a high-end DBMS application.  The DC/OSx operating 
system (an AT\&T System V Release 4 implementation) is quite mature and 
scales well up to at least 12 CPUs.  

The RM1000 MPP product uses the same operating system and CPU chip as the SMP 
offering to preserve complete compatibility between the products.  The 
RM1000 is configurable up to hundreds or thousands (theoretically) of 
individual nodes, each of which is a single R4400 CPU with up to 256MB of 
memory and the DC/OSx operating system.  Each node has two F/W SCSI-II 
controllers and nodes are connected via a high bandwidth, low latency grid 
interconnect network.  The RM1000 runs only Oracle to date, although other 
ports are in various stages of planning or implementation.  The SMP product 
can be"plugged into" the MPP product as a node, and therefore Pyramid has a
strong story regarding investment protection for their customers who
can start out with low-risk SMP technology and migrate into MPP technology
when application requirements demand such a move.  Pyramid has substantial
expertise in "glass house" environments and differentiates itself with
ESCON connectivity, full function backup and tape management systems, and
other production quality infrastructure.  Pyramid was only a $250M company
up until its acquisition by SNI, and therefore is not well known within
the industry.  Analyst reports from the likes of Gartner Group, Meta Group,
IDC, etc. tend to ignore Pyramid.  The absorption into $30B SNI may or may
not change this situation.

Strengths:  Oracle relationship and quality of Oracle port, completeness
      of product line with both SMP and MPP solutions, seamless migration 
      pat from SMP to MPP, commercial references and experience, superior 
      benchmarking expertise, operating system scalability. 
Weaknesses:  Weak I/O subsystem, low visibility in the marketplace,
     impact of SNI acquisition is unclear - but SNI has bad reputation in such
     scenarios.

Selling TurboLaser Against Pyramid Technology Corporation:
Emphasize price-performance.  Pyramid is almost always at the high-end
of the pricing chart (surpassed only by AT\&T and Tandem).  They
have a good Oracle relationship, but do not have 64-bit capability
in their operating system.  The DC/OSx version of UNIX that Pyramid
runs is SVR4, but has not been explicitly certified by very many
third party software vendors.  Pyramid has a strong story in migrating
from SMP to MPP within their platform, but a TurboLaser implementation
would allow deferring MPP for much longer than a Nile (or Nile Cluster)
would allow because the TurboLaser is a much more powerful SMP than the
Nile 150 SMP.  Also point out that Pyramid's future is somewhat unknown,
based on the recent SNI acquisition.  SNI has a bad track record in 
successfully integrating its acquisitions into the company.  SNI has been
hands off Pyramid up until now - but who knows about the future?



1.  AT&T Global Information Solutions

The ATT GIS SMP is an Intel based implementation with up to eight CPUs per 
node.  Sixteen CPUs per node has been announced.  Up to four nodes 
can be clustered in either the 3600 or 3550 architectures.  The 3600 
architecture also provides Teradata capability for DSS ``below the Y-Net''.
The Y-Net allows a cluster of UNIX SMPs (referred to as Application 
Processing Nodes to handle open systems OLTP and other workloads 
(usually Oracle DBMS), and uses a variety of trick-feed or batch update 
techniques to populate the Teradata system for DSS in what they refer to 
as the ``Information Factory''. The Teradata is a special-purpose database 
that runs on a proprietary Intel hardware implementation using a 
special-purpose operating system known as TOS (Teradata Operating System).  
The Teradata is a shared-nothing hardware and software implementation 
that has been around for over ten years and is well-proven as an MPP DSS 
database with reference sites in the multiple terabytes range.  

The Teradata was a monopoly in high-end database solutions for DSS
until just a few years ago when Oracle entered into the fray with its 
Parallel Query implementation in Oracle 7.1.  Since then, DB2/6000 Parallel 
Edition, Informix, and Sybase have also come into the DSS marketplace.  
The high margins that the Teradata used to command have rapidly been 
shrinking in reaction to this increased competition.  It will
be difficult for the Teradata to compete effectively with the merchant 
database vendors because it does not have sufficient installed base to 
allow amortization of development costs for new features and performance 
enhancements.  ATT has addressed the undesirability of the special-purpose 
hardware implementation by porting the Teradata software into a UNIX 
environment for release sometime this year.  The port will allow the 
Teradata to run on a general-purpose processing
architecture rather than as an SQL co-processor as it previously executed.
The port will not be available until release of the ``Common Node'' 
architecture which is the 1995 incarnation of the long awaited 3700 product 
(which was originally scheduled for release in 1993).  The Common Node 
architecture will provide an MPP architecture with a scalable interconnect 
(the Y-Net is scalable in connectivity, but not in bandwidth) and SMP nodes.  

In the interim, prior to general availability of the Common Node, ATT has a 
lot of issues in its product line.  Neither the 3600 or 3550 SMPs scale well 
past four to six CPUs, due to operating systems issues.  The 3600 is not 
able to provide Oracle with sufficient I/O bandwidth in a high-end clustered 
implementation because there are not enough slots left in the backplane of 
the machine to support an appropriate number of I/O controllers for large 
disk configurations (because they are taken up by the Y-Net
interfaces).  The 3550 does not support the Teradata, so it does not use the
Y-Net and therefore has better I/O bandwidth capability (more slots for I/O
controllers in a clustered environment), yet it does not upgrade easily into
a Common Node configuration.

Strengths: Teradata has proven (production) references and scalability. 
Weaknesses: Poor scalability in UNIX SMP implementation, high pricing, 
  Intel chip set, insufficient I/O capability for Oracle in clustered 3600 
  architecture, no upgrade path for 3550 into Common Node architecture, 
  customers do not want proprietary Teradata database.


Selling TurboLaser Against AT&T Global Information Solutions:
Emphasize open systems commitment, price-performance, and raw CPU power.
In the data warehouse marketplace, AT&T GIS will almost always push
the Teradata DBMS.  DEC should sell against this solution by emphasizing
the superior functions and features of the Oracle database versus Teradata.
The Teradata DBMS is years behind Oracle and is unlikely to ever catch up.
The fact that Teradata is a special purpose database means that it will
never have the installed base of Oracle - Teradata has hundreds of active
installs whereas Oracle has many tens of thousands of active installs.  The 
economics of this equation mean that AT&T GIS will NEVER be able to justify
investment in the Teradata DBMS to the same extent that Oracle can.  Basic
features like outer join are only now in beta test in Teradata environments,
whereas this has been in both the ANSI SQL standard and in Oracle for years.
Stored procedures, advanced arithmetic functions, triggers, decodes, etc.
are all important features that are in Oracle today and are unlikely to
ever appear in Teradata.  Teradata had a monopoly on parallel database
capability that was broken when Oracle introduced Parallel Query in
its 7.1 release of 1993.  Since that time, Teradata has had to lower its
prices dramatically to compete and still has a tough time getting new
accounts (most business today comes from upgrades to existing installs).
Teradata has been around for a long time, and its antiquated DBMS 
implementation shows it: the Teradata DBMS is still implemented using a 16-bit
software architecture whereas the new Oracle release on TurboLaser makes
use of a 64-bit software architecture!  This has large implications in how
the DBMS is able to make use of memory resources for efficient implementation
of sort work area, database buffer caching, and software pipelining.

From a hardware perspective, DEC TurboLaser is miles ahead of AT&T GIS.
AT&T uses the underpowered Intel chip, as compared to the Alpha chip in
DEC TurboLaser.  A single TurboLaser CPU is worth (conservatively) three or 
four AT&T CPUs.  This leads to enormous pricing benefits for TurboLaser in
equivalent machine configurations.  In fact, the current Teradata systems
are still shipping with 486 chips - not even Pentiums!  The AT&T GIS 
Clustered SMP systems (above the Ynet) are Pentium based, but scalability 
on a per SMP node basis is limited to four to six CPUs - less than a two
CPU TurboLaser configuration!  Have the customer check AT&T GIS references
for the Clustered SMP to verify these scalability figures.  AT&T GIS will
be increasing the number of CPUs that can be configured into an SMP node,
but it does little good for the customer because the hardware and software
implementation will not provide for scalability beyond the four to six figure
anyway.  AT&T GIS is almost always priced at a premium, and the hardware
superiority of TurboLaser will widen the price-performance gap even further.


2.  Cray Research SuperServers  

The CRS 6400 is a 64-way SMP based on the
SPARC chip.  The  system will support up to 16 GB of memory and over 2 TB 
of on-line disk with up to 64 I/O channels.  The CRS 6400 architecture 
involves a multiple bus system that yields a theoretical peak of 2.6 GB/s 
of bus bandwidth; each of the four system bus structures (XDBUS Quartet) 
provides 660 MB/s.  Actual peak performance is 1.76 GB/s on the combined bus 
structures.  The CRS 6400 runs an ABI (Application Binary Interface)
compliant version of Solaris, so all applications that will run on a Sun
workstation will run on the machine (although they will not necessarily 
parallelize).  CRS has been around with a production port of Oracle for 
only about a year.  Recently, they have been giving Informix a lot of 
attention in their DSS bids (but still use Oracle in most OTLP bids).

Each SPARCPlus processor delivers 84 SPECint92 in integer performance.  CRS is
likely to move to the faster clock rate SPARCPlus chip in the near future. 
Clustering capability is not yet available, but is likely soon.  CRS is a 
fully owned subsidiary of Cray Research, Inc. in Minneapolis and focuses 
only on commercial computing (both OLTP and DSS).  Recently, a top management 
re-haul was done at CRS and many people were pulled in closer to the parent 
company with a reorganization to provide tighter controls from Minneapolis 
(likely result of poor profitability).  A joint venture deal with Amdahl 
allows Amdahl to OEM the CRS 6400 and provide all customer support for the 
box.

Strengths:  Aggressive pricing, lots of third party software, good scalability
         up to at least 30 CPUs (particularly with OLTP).
Weaknesses:  Minimum configuration is 16 CPUs, no production reference sites, 
         future of company in doubt, poor showing in DSS marketplace, poor 
         availability strategy (clustering not yet available), lack of support
         structure (although teaming with Amdahl is helping to address this 
         issue).

Selling TurboLaser Against Cray Research Superservers:  
Emphasize raw CPU power and company viability.  The CRS 6400
will provide up to 64 SPARCPlus CPUs in an SMP configuration.  This would
be the equivalent of a 16-way TurboLaser configuration (if such a 
configuration existed).  However, the reality is that the CRS 6400 scales
only to (approximately) thirty-two nodes due to database limitations - the 
equivalent of an 8-way TurboLaser configuration.  TurboLaser will scale 
beyond 8 CPUs and will be more cost-effective in doing so in the high-end
range.  Cray will be very aggressive with pricing, but TurboLaser should
ultimately win out in price-performance (but it will not be by a large 
margin unless deep discounting is applied).  To sell against Cray, emphasize
the importance of powerful CPUs (TurboLaser operates within scalability
limitations of the database because it needs fewer CPUs to do the same
job) and the depth of the DEC organization.  Cray Research Superservers
is is a small organization operated within Cray Research, Inc. (of
supercomputer fame) and does not have the strong engineering and support
organization that DEC enjoys.  It is also unclear if Cray can make
an effective transition from scientific computing to commercial computing.
CRS was formed to address the commercial marketplace, but its success has
not been overwhelming - profitability issues exist and a recent purge of
top executives within CRS occurred as the organization was pulled in 
closer to its parent company whose historical focus and understanding
is targeted at scientific (not commercial) data processing.  Staying
power of this start-up company should be questioned in the customer's 
mind.


3.  Data General  

Not really a player in high-end SMP.  Nobody has confidence that 
DG will be in business long enough to provide good support
for the Avion series, even though it is a reasonable machine design.  Biggest
impact of Data General is through Clarion RAID arrays.
Strengths:  Good price-performance via aggressive pricing.
Weaknesses: Poor marketing, vendor viability.

Selling TurboLaser Against Data General:  
Data General will be extremely aggressive in pricing, but TurboLaser 
price-performance should yield parity for low-end configurations
and has the capability to scale up to much larger configurations with
excellent price-performance.  Also emphasize the relationship with
Oracle and the first 64-bit DBMS implementation.  Doubts about
vendor viability should also be emphasized.  It is unlikely that DEC would
ever lose a deal to Data General.


4.  Hewlett-Packard 

The Hewlett-Packard T500 is an SMP with up to eight PA-RISC CPUs (12-way 
capability has been announced).  Peak bandwidth is 800 MB/s on the 
system bus.  The PA-RISC 7150 provides 136 SPECint92 in performance per CPU.  
The PA-RISC 7200 provides 200 SPECint92 in performance per CPU.  The HP-UX 9.x
operating system has scalability problems beyond four to six CPUs in a 
high-performance DBMS environment because (among other reasons) all I/O 
interrupts are farmed to CPU 0.  This CPU soon becomes the bottleneck 
and adding more processors yields only marginal performance gains.  The HP-UX 
10.0 operating system that will be out in June should fix this problem, but 
scalability to twelve CPUs is in doubt.  Hewlett-Packard aggressively pursues 
the Data Warehouse opportunities with its ``HP OpenWarehouse'' product.  
This product consists of some HP developed and integrated software which 
includes: (1) PRISM Warehouse manager for data extraction and transformation, 
(2) Red Brick, Informix, Oracle, Informix, Ingres, or Sybase database 
engines, (3) Information Advantage AXSYS for custom development of DSS, EIS 
and MIS applications, (4) HP Information Access which is a proprietary tool 
for providing point-and-click access to the DSS database engines, and 
(5) IBI's EDA/SQL for gateway access to legacy data sources. 

Hewlett-Packard tends to favor Red Brick since this database engine runs well 
on powerful CPU systems (DEC is the only vendor that can beat an HP CPU) and
does not exploit parallelism very well.  Recently, Hewlett-Packard has 
switched much of its merchant relational database attention from Oracle to 
Informix (since Sequent no longer has exclusive rights to the Parallel Query 
capability in Informix).  Hewlett-Packard used to own 25\% of Informix, so 
there is a lot of cross-pollination between the two organizations and they 
tend to team with Informix quite often.  A clustered implementation of the 
T500 is available and will go up to 32 nodes (each node can be a 12-way SMP) 
using an Oracle DBMS.

Strengths: Powerful CPU, very aggressive price-performance, superior 
           service reputation, strong open systems commitment, good 
           partnership with third party software providers. 
Weaknesses: Poor scalability, RISC chip at end of lifetime, Intel
           partnership is bad signal for high-end market.

Selling TurboLaser Against Hewlett-Packard:
Emphasize scalability of the TurboLaser in terms of processing power
delivered.  Hewlett-Packard has no credible MPP strategy and its
SMP has scalability problems in the HP-UX implementation (no more than
four to six CPUs worth of scalability).  HP-UX 10.0 available this summer
should address some of their scalability problems, but it is not possible
for an unclustered T500 to scale up as high as a TurboLaser in terms
of raw processing power.  Hewlett-Packard will attempt to address this
deficiency in the data warehousing environment by selling the HP 
OpenWarehouse solution using multiple T500 systems on
the back-end.  Point out to the customer that the multiple T500
solution is actually a distributed database solution to the warehousing
requirement and joins across databases are very inefficient.  Hewlett-Packard
will claim that you can design a database whereby joins are not required
across the T500 systems using date segmentation or other techniques.  This
is absurd, and customers should be reminded of the importance of flexibility
in a data warehousing environment.  Having a single TurboLaser box to address
data warehousing requirements is much more effective in terms of
flexibility, price-performance, and systems management.  Similar arguments
hold true for OLTP workloads where Hewlett-Packard will be required to 
propose multiple SMP boxes to do the same workload that a single 
TurboLaser can achieve.


5.  International Business Machines 

IBM has a vast hole in its product line between the 4-way RS/6000 SMP and 
the SP2.  The 4-way SMP is woefully underpowered for high-end applications, 
yet customers do not want to be forced into MPP prematurely.  IBM routinely 
gets slammed by Meta Group and other analysts for their tendency to pitch MPP 
for very small systems.  The IBM clustered solution with HA-CMP has just 
recently gone mode 3 (makes active use of multiple nodes
rather than hot stand-by), but still allows only uniprocessor nodes.  Most SP2
installs are Oracle, but IBM has recently shifted its strategy to leading with
DB2/6000 Parallel Edition rather than Oracle.  Lou Gerstner has recently given
a corporate directive of ``IBM first'' which has soured a lot of its third 
party relationships (Oracle and Informix, in particular).  SP2 is a 
reasonably well-designed MPP architecture with a good switch implementation.  
Scalability on DB2/6000 Parallel Edition, Informix and Oracle has proven 
pretty linear for most applications.  Oracle must make use of special (IBM 
developed) software called a VSD (Virtual Shared Disk) I/O device driver 
to give the illusion of a shared everything disk environment on the shared 
nothing hardware implementation of the SP2.  The VSD chews up at least 10% of
the CPU capability in each SP2 node. Old-line IBM account representatives 
will try to sell their customers on tried and true MVS systems in the new 
System 390 implementation.  This is a clustered SMP with the new CMOS 
mainframe chips.  Price-performance is much better than traditional 
mainframes, but still falls short of true open systems
products.  Customers do not perceive ``Open MVS'' to be an open systems player.

Strengths:  Marketing, marketing, marketing!  Most MPP installs.  
Weaknesses:  No reasonable SMP for high-end open systems market, 
   in-fighting between RISC/UNIX open systems specialists and S390/MVS 
   ``old guard'', still on release 2 of UNIX system V, eroding relationships 
    with merchant database providers, DB2/6000 not considered ``merchant 
    database'' by marketplace. 

Selling TurboLaser Against International Business Machines:
Emphasize the risk in adopting MPP technology where it is not required.
Since IBM has no high-end SMP, it will pitch the SP2 for almost any
open systems VLDB requirement.  The TurboLaser will provide equivalent
processing power to a thirty-two node SP2 system - why would anyone
choose an MPP over an SMP given the risks and unavailability of scalable
software associated with an MPP?  Reports from the Meta Group (a consulting
organization similar in stature and positioning to Gartner) repeatedly
warn customers about the dangers of adopting MPP systems when an
SMP can do the same job (with lower risk and cost).  Also, IBM's relationship
to Oracle is increasingly degenerating because IBM has begun marketing
DB2/6000 Parallel Edition directly against Oracle on the SP2.  Customers
who want Oracle need to be aware that the IBM-Oracle relationship is on
very unstable ground.

IBM will begin marketing DB2 4.0 on the System/390 in vigor sometime this 
Summer or Fall.  This is an old-line mainframe MVS (clustered SMP)
implementation and customers should be queried on their commitment to open 
systems standards.  "Open MVS" is nothing more than POSIX compliant APIs
implemented on top of MVS.  Open systems software and a modern development
environment are severely lacking on this system.  TurboLaser will have
a substantial price-performance advantage versus Systems/390.  Although
they will claim a price-performance shift in moving from ECL to CMOS
technology in the chip set, the shift is not as far down on the 
price-performance curve as TurboLaser because they are still chained to
a CISC (Complex Instruction Set Computer), as opposed to RISC (Reduced 
Instruction Set Computer) in the Alpha chip architecture, and do not have
the same volumes as Alpha which ships in a larger array of computing products.




6.  nCUBE 

The nCUBE product is an MPP architecture constructed from
a custom chip set which integrates CPU and communications capability into a
single component.  This custom chip set is both the strength and weakness
of the nCUBE architecture.  The integration of the CPU and communications
capability allows a tight packaging of large MPP configurations and 
aggressive pricing characteristics.  However, the fact that a custom CPU
is used puts the nCUBE on a very undesirable technology curve.  As a
start-up company, it is not possible for nCUBE to deliver chip sets
with competitive performance to the large chip manufacturers in like
time frames.  The nCUBE provides a CPU that rates at a mere 7.5 VAX MIPS -
woefully underpowered in today's marketplace.  The nCUBE2 will up this
processing power, but nCUBE will continue to lag large chip manufacturers
by at least three generations in chip technology.  The nCUBE machine
runs the Vertex operating system on each of its MPP nodes.  Despite market
positioning in the UNIX camp, Vertex is little more than a low-level
file system kernel and is inappropriate for development of general purpose 
applications.  nCUBE runs only the Oracle RDBMS and is primarily owned 
by Larry Ellison, CEO of Oracle.  Very little third party software exists 
for the nCUBE machine, so customers should think of it as an Oracle server
rather than a general purpose processing engine.  The Oracle MPP software
was originally developed on the nCUBE (due, in a large part, to Larry Ellison
influence) and yet this platform has been abandoned as the reference MPP
platform in favor of the IBM SP2.  Andahl had an OEM agreement with nCUBE
to re-sell the MPP as a database server under the auspices of the 
Explorer/2000 product line.  Amdahl abandoned the product after it failed
to get adequate performance and reliability out of the nCUBE platform.

Strengths:  Relationship with Oracle, packaging. 
Weaknesses: Very weak CPUs, scalability and reliability issues
     related primarily to glitches in Oracle, no strong reference sites,
     lack of general-purpose processing capability, lack of third party tools.

Selling TurboLaser Against nCUBE: 
Emphasize (1) risks of an MPP implementation where it is not needed, (2)
lack of a general purpose operating system, and (3) severely under powered
CPUs.  It would probably take nearly 100 nodes in an nCUBE configuration
to match up to a high-end TurboLaser configuration.  The risk in deploying
and managing a large number of nodes in an MPP configuration are not 
justified when the same work can be handled in a low-risk TurboLaser
configuration.  nCUBE is at a particular disadvantage in this regard 
because its CPUs are custom designed and many generations behind modern
price-performance curves.  Point out that Amdahl recently had an OEM
relationship with nCUBE that is terminated because the product was 
unable to obtain reasonable performance or reliability characteristics
for high-end applications.  Furthermore, lack of a general-purpose
operating system means no third party software and will relegate the
machine to a dedicated DBMS server - another (general purpose) machine will 
need to be brought in for data preparation, data mining, and any other tasks
that require any software other than Oracle.



8. Sequent  

Sequent is the most mature player in the UNIX SMP
marketplace.  The Dynix operating system is quite scalable and robust
compared to most other (less mature) SMP operating system implementations.
Sequent has clustering capability with its SMPs, but has no credible
MPP strategy.  They will be addressing the lack of query scalability
across SMP nodes in a clustered architecture by introducing a SCSI
connect (or something similar) between nodes so that data can be
shared at high bandwidths.  This is somewhat of a kludge to work around
lack of an MPP strategy and the fact that the Intel-based SMPs are
under powered.  Sequent market share is clearly declining.  As a means of
addressing shrinking margins and market share in hardware sales, Sequent
has been re-positioning itself as data warehouse "consultants" in the
industry.  The attempt is to build up the service revenues within the
company, but the actual expertise that Sequent has in this area is 
fairly limited. 

Strengths: Operating system scalability, commercial references and experience,
     Oracle and Informix reference platform for SMP, market visibility. 
Weaknesses: Intel chip set, hardware scalability, small company, 
     de-focused on NT server, still on release 3 of UNIX System V.

Selling TurboLaser Against Sequent:
Emphasize company viability and raw processing power.  Sequent is a
relatively small company that is feeling a lot of competitive pressures.
They recently invested a lot of dollars and development efforts into the
NT server which has basically flopped in the marketplace.  They are
still running release 3 of System V UNIX.  Emphasize DEC's modern UNIX 
implementation with 64-bit capability (no 2GB file limits!) versus
the antiquated Sequent Dynix implementation.  Also note that raw processing 
power in the Sequent is severely limited by use of the Intel chip set.  An 
eight CPU TurboLaser is easily more powerful than the largest configurable 
Sequent SMP machine.  


9.  Silicon Graphics, Incorporated 

Silicon Graphics now makes over half of
its revenue selling server systems.  The server product line offers both
SMP and clustered SMP configurations.  The SMP will configure with as many as
thirty-six 200 MHz MIPS R4400 chips, although Oracle will only scale to 
between thirty and thirty-two CPUs.  SGI has begun to bid Informix on some of
its high-end DSS deals, but still mainly focuses on Oracle.  SGI uses
ASIC (Application Specific Integrated Circuit) technology to build one
of the fastest single bus structures in the industry at 1.2 GB/s.
Despite presence in the server market, most commercial customers 
will associate SGI to Jurassic Park graphics and the high-end workstation
market.  SGI has recently embarked upon an aggressive campaign in the 
United States and Europe to re-position itself for data warehouse and data
mining applications.  They have hired a large number of marketing and 
technical people away from Hewlett-Packard and Pyramid to assist in the
transition to the commercial marketplace.  The RAS (reliability, availability,
and serviceability) positioning of the SGI servers is somewhat weak - no 
RAID capability, lack of hot pluggable components, etc. - so most of the
focus for this product line has been on the data warehouse environment where
RAS is less of an issue than mission critical OLTP.  The focus on data
warehousing also allows leverage off of strength in graphics by emphasizing
the data visualization aspects of data mining applications.  An EDS spin-off,
known as dbIntellect, uses the SGI Challenge servers almost exclusively
in their data warehouse integration product and services package.  Tandem
also OEMs the SGI challenge series under the name of Integrity in the Tandem
product line for customers who want UNIX servers rather than Guardian
servers.

Strengths:  Data visualization software, high bandwidth I/O subsystem,
  latest MIPS chip release, aggressive marketing initiative in data mining,
  EDS partnership. 
Weaknesses:  Lacks a total solution perspective, weak RAS story,
  thought of as engineering/scientific player rather than commercial player.

Selling TurboLaser Against Silicon Graphics, Incorporated:
Emphasize total solutions perspective and RAS.  DEC's expertise and
product offerings for enterprise systems integration, networking,
and overall systems management will make any customer feel much more
comfortable than SGI's "hot box" marketing strategy.  Plus, TurboLaser
is a "hotter" box anyway, so SGI lacks their usual story in high-end
bus and CPU components when compared against TurboLaser.  The SGI RAS
story is weak - no RAID capability, lack of hot pluggable parts, single
point-of-failure architecture, and so on.  The workstation and 
scientific/engineering bias in their product offerings plays poorly
for data server positioning.

10.  Sun Microsystems  

Sun has been slowly inching up from the networked workstation market into 
data servers with its SPARC Centre 1000 and 2000 products.   The SC 2000 
configures up to 20 SPARC CPUs into an SMP configuration.  Earlier versions 
of Solaris provided poor scalability on SMP hardware, but the most recent 
release allows scalability to at least fourteen CPUs.   Sun competes primarily
on price.  The price per megabyte on memory and disk that Sun offers, 
and price per CPU, is very difficult to beat.  Price per megabyte on the SPARC
Storage Arrays is well under one dollar.  Almost all software in the market 
will run on the Sun product line as a tier one port (if not as the reference 
platform).  Sun is not really set up to handle the long sales cycles 
and benchmark scenarios that often result in the high-end server market.  
They also do not service high-end customers very well.  A joint venture 
with Amdahl (similar to that struck by Cray Research Superservers) to 
OEM the SPARC Center product has been put into place to address these issues.
  
Strengths:  Third party software, high visibility, aggressive pricing. 
Weaknesses: Poor customer support, medium range performance ceiling.

Selling TurboLaser Against Sun Microsystems:
Emphasize customer support and raw processing power.  Sun customer support
has one of the worst reputations in the industry for high-end data server
machines.  Expertise in systems engineers and the company culture is oriented 
toward networked workstations rather than data servers.  Sun has not yet
realized that the support requirements and skill sets to provide such support
are different in the data server environment versus the desktop.  TurboLaser
also has a substantial advantage in raw processing power.  Even if a
SPARC Center 2000 scaled all the way up to 20 CPUs (which it doesn't),
an eight CPU TurboLaser would easily surpass its performance capability
due to the power of the Alpha chip as compared to the SPARC chip.  Sun
is a mid-range SMP competitor, whereas TurboLaser goes from mid-range all
the way up to the top of the high-end.


11.  Tandem Computers 

The Himalayan K10000 from Tandem has received a lot of attention 
as a result of its world record breaking performance on the TPC-C benchmark.  
The K10000 is an MPP architecture built from 200 MHz R4400 chips.  
In reality, calling it an MPP architectureis a bit of a stretch since 
the interconnect is really a combination of the old dual Dynabus (2x20MB/s)
structure for horizontal slices of the Torus with vertical connectivity 
provided by 4 MB/s token rings.  This is not truly a scalable interconnect, 
but these nuances are sure to be addressed in a future product release.  The 
Tandem machine derives much of its performance advantage over competitors 
from the fact that it uses a proprietary software implementation.  
A tight integration of the TP Monitor, Operating System, and DBMS 
on Tandem allows a tight code path in getting transactions in and 
out of the system.  This is more of a differentiator for OLTP than DSS 
because getting in and out of the database is a larger portion of transaction 
execution for OLTP.  The Tandem Non-Stop SQL RDBMS, with its shared-nothing 
architecture and global indexing structures, is the only RDBMS 
implementation on the marketplace today that offers generalized scalability 
for OLTP in an MPP environment. Tandem also offers excellent RAS capability 
with its high-availability architecture and superior performance tuning 
and monitoring tools.  

Tandem is still learning about the DSS marketplace, but is aggressively 
pursuing market share in this area.  The Non-Stop SQL implementation lacks 
some of the features that are important for DSS (e.g., substring, arithmetic
operators, etc.), but Tandem is being very aggressive about making these
features available upon customer demand.  Tandem's major technical strength, 
it's proprietary software architecture, is also its major shortcoming in
the marketplace.  The Guardian operating system is completely proprietary
and lacks a modern software development environment and third party 
software.  

Tandem is addressing this shortcoming by development of a
"UNIX personality" that will run on top of its Non-Stop kernel so that
the advantages of UNIX can be combined with the RAS and performance 
characteristics of the Non-Stop kernel.  The outcome of this development is 
still unclear as to what performance and RAS compromises will exist in
the UNIX personality of the Non-Stop kernel. Moreover, Tandem will need
to convince third party vendors to port their software to its UNIX
implementation.  Lastly, it must convince customers that it is serious about 
open systems and it committed to a UNIX direction.  The jury is still
out on these points.  Even in the UNIX Personality of the Non-Stop kernel,
Tandem will continue to run its proprietary Non-Stop SQL - 
although (unverified) rumors exist that an Oracle port will also be 
implemented.  To support the investment and value-added that Tandem
provides in its proprietary software base, Tandem is priced at a premium
relative to all product offerings (with the exception of Teradata).  It
is unclear how Tandem will perform its pricing in the more competitive open 
systems market.

Strengths: Performance and scalability (particularly in OLTP), 
  overall RAS, visibility.
Weaknesses: Proprietary, poor software development environment, lack
  of third party software, pricing.



Selling TurboLaser Against Tandem:
Emphasize open systems commitment and price-performance.  Tandem
runs a proprietary database on a proprietary operating system with a
proprietary TP monitor (with proprietary systems management tools).
This is not a story that customers in the 1990s should be buying into.
To address this concern, Tandem will emphasize their ``UNIX personality.''
Have the customer check Tandem references that are production in the
UNIX implementation.  There are none.  Even if the UNIX implementation were
viable, should the customer be considering a proprietary database over 
Oracle?  Also, in order to support all of this proprietary software that
must be maintained in-house at Tandem, they will be very high priced as
compared to equivalent TurboLaser configurations.



                   Appendix I:  Competitive Matrix

Competitor         Strengths                     Weaknesses
================   ===========================   =========================
AT&T GIS           Teradata reference sites      Price-performance
3600               Solutions focus               Scalability in UNIX SMP
                                                 Intel chip set
                                                 I/O subsystem for cluster
                                                 Proprietary Teradata DBMS
                                                 Sybase Navigator performance


Cray               Price-performance             16 CPU minimum configuration
CRS 6400           Solaris ABI compliance        Vendor viability
                   Third party SW availability   DSS benchmark performance
                   Amdahl OEM relationship       Availability strategy
                   Scales well to 30-32 CPUs     Customer support structure
                   OLTP benchmark performance


Data General       Price-performance             Marketing
Avion Series                                     Vendor viability
                                                 Market visibility


Hewlett-Packard    Powerful CPU                  Scalability
T500               Price-performance             RISC chip at end of lifetime
                   Service reputation            Intel relationship
                   Open systems commitment
                   Third party SW availability


IBM                Marketing                     Poor SMP offering
SP2                MPP reference sites           UNIX vs. MVS in-fighting
                   Third party SW availability   Still on SVR2 UNIX
                                                 DB2/6000 not merchant DBMS
                                                 Relations with DBMS vendors


nCUBE              Oracle relationship           Weak CPUs
nCUBE2             Packaging                     Scalability in Oracle port
                                                 Reliability
                                                 Lack of strong references
                                                 Proprietary operating system
                                                 Lack of third party SW


Pyramid            Oracle relationship           I/O subsystem
Nile/RM1000        Quality of Oracle port        Life after SNI acquisition?
                   Both SMP and MPP offerings    No low-end products
                   Seamless path: SMP to MPP
                   High-end focus
                   Commercial references
                   Benchmarking expertise
                   Operating system scalability





Sequent            Oracle relationship           Intel chip set
Symmetry Series    Informix relationship         Small company
                   Commercial references         Still on SVR3 UNIX
                   Market visibility             De-focused on NT server
                   Operating system scalability  No MPP strategy


Silicon Graphics   High bandwidth I/O subsystem  Lacks total solution approach
Challenge XL       Latest MIPS chip integration  Weak RAS story
                   EDS partnership               Lack of commercial experience
                   Data mining software
                   Data visualization software


Sun Microsystems   Price-performance             Poor customer service
SC 2000            Market visibility             Performance ceiling
                   Third party SW availability


Tandem             Proven scalability            Proprietary operating system
Himalaya K10000    OLTP performance              Proprietary DBMS
                   TPC-C results                 Proprietary TP Monitor
                   Overall RAS                   Lack of third party SW
                   Market visibility             Poor SW development tools
                                                 Pricing




3956.14Info Needed on Year 2000 Internal ProblemSTOWOA::MARCOCCIOFri Jun 28 1996 15:3413
    Is anyone involved in any activity related to year 2000 effects on
    internal systems ?  Does anyone have any info related to known
    problems, what systems might be effected, or any projects to fix the
    problem with any particular system or application.
    
    I am in Corp IS, and I am working an assignment to scope the problem
    within Digital.
    
    Contact Info:   Lou Marcoccio @ogo
                    DTN: 276-9717
                    STOWOA::Marcoccio
                    lou.marcoccio@mts.dec.com
                  
3956.15NQOS01::nqsrv303.nqo.dec.com::SteveSFri Jun 28 1996 15:436
I just had a presentation given to my clients during a visit to MSO this week 
by Mike Pallone (Spitbrook?) who is the acting "team leader" for this effort.

Hope this helps...

SteveS
3956.16There is an organized effortLOCH::SOJDAFri Jun 28 1996 15:477
    Contact Carole Ireland @OHF.  She has a whole team dedicated to this
    effort.  I have the names of other contacts as well.
    
    Contact me off line if you need more information.
    
    Larry