Conference 7.286::digital

The file you get from VTX AMTABLES is PostScript, not ASCII.

			Steve

Foolish me, I was looking at option 4, which talks about the fiscal calendar 
(extracting as a text file), instead of option 5, which does send the post 
script, but doesn't really tell you that.

Anyways, thanks to everyone for the quick reply and the vaxmail copies.

Karen

> The file you get from VTX AMTABLES is PostScript, not ASCII.

Gee Steve, all the Postscript I've seen has been
in ASCII.

[Yes, I know about binary Postscript, but I have never
 looked at it]

Sigh - you know what I meant, Dave...

			Steve

    Use VTX IR
    Select ALL
    Searchword: FISCAL
    Stare at  "(Word not Found)" message
    
    Search Word: CALENDAR
    Get 12 references to calendar, none pointing to the "correct" thing
    
    - Vikas

    What's wrong?  That's exactly how *I* use it...

    Why would something not in the IR be findable by the IR?  It is in VTX
    AMTABLES.

    And AMTABLES certainly is an intuitive keyword.
    
    Leslie

    OK,
    
    I give...what does AMTABLES stand for?
    
    Randy
    

    Where do I find a list of keywords that VTX knows about?  I'm not a big
    fan of VTX anyhow, but at least hte modern versions of it no longer
    reset all your window characteristics when the thing exits, which used
    to be my biggest complaint about it.
    
    /Charlotte

    Get to the Corporate VTX Library main menu which should be a menu
    choice off of your local site server menu, or you can use the keyword
    LIBRARY.  Once there, do  a FIND * and it will display a listing of all
    keywords in alphabetical order.
    
    Gita

Doesn't anybody else think that finding the fiscal calendar via VTX should
be *trivial*?  I knew that I had gotten it last year but did not have the
presence to note down the keyword "AMTABLE".

Here is a project for VTX proponents.  Use existing tools, and index *ALL*
of the available VTX databases and documents.  There is no excuse for
anybody being forced to remember cute keywords.  That's what computers are for.

- Vikas

    
    There is an opportunity to improve the Digital postscript fiscal
    calendar service : add a /POSTSCRIPT option to the SCHEDULER stuff.
    
    The current chosen process is an illustration of poor usage of people
    and system resources. This results in bad quality service, people
    disappointment and useless costs !
    
    Jean, Software Engineer

    AMTABLES stands for Accounting Manual Tables.
    

    I am TOTAMAZED I didn't IMMGRASP the OBVMEANING of this.  Once again,
    VTX shows it's AMVERSAT and INHLOGICAL approach to meeting USENEEDS!
    
    							DIGITEX! :^]

>    I am TOTAMAZED I didn't IMMGRASP the OBVMEANING of this.  Once again,
>    VTX shows it's AMVERSAT and INHLOGICAL approach to meeting USENEEDS!
    
    You said it! Why it's almost as bad as...

    http://www-whoknows.xyz.dec.com/~urgues/isas/gudazmyne/blahblahblah.com

  Well, if you'd like to go down the URL versus VTX keyword
  rathole...

  You're right! Some URLs *ARE* inscrutable if you don't already
  speak Unix. But the "URL" you used as your illustration is a
  particularly awful one. Well-engineered URLs that aren't
  built ad-hoc in a user's account are usually a lot better.
  And a good home page gets you to the subsidiary URLs in
  just a few clicks.

  Try these:

    http://www.IBM.com/
    http://www.hp.com/
    http://www.apple.com/
    http://www.compaq.com/
    http://www.motorola.com/

  Notice a pattern? It doesn't take too long before you can guess
  at the home-page URL.

  Good luck guessing "AMTABLES" or even navigating to it from your
  site-specific VTX home page.

  Oh, and did I mention that there's an entire world of computer
  nerds out there (and in here) who understand URLs and can help
  you find what you're looking for? Is the same true for VTX?

                                   Atlant


P.S.: I'm deliberately trying to avoid the rathole of whether the
      home page at http://www.digital.com/ is any good or not.

The main point of my argument seems to have lost in the noise.  Worlwide
Web has powerful search engine which would have found the postscript
calendar without me having to know the URL.

- Vikas

    Change "would have" to "might have". There's a whole lot more on the
    Web than what shows up in the various search engines' databases.
    
    (If a URL falls in the Web, and nobody finds it, is it really on the
    Web? And why isn't it called the wURLd wide web?)

> (If a URL falls in the Web, and nobody finds it, is it really on the Web? 

Deep. Real deep.

    OK, for all the whingers about the "US Centric", etc...the US has
    provided, per a previous noter, a dtn (223-1800) to call US 800
    numbers.  Dial the dtn, you get a dial tone.  Then enter only the last
    7 digits of the 800 number and press pound.
    
    I'd like to suggest that us Yanks have more of a tendency to be helpful
    when someone says "Hey, that's great, but we can't dial US 800 numbers
    from here!  Any suggestions?", as opposed to "(whhhhiiinnnnee, it's the
    Yanks again, (pout), they're discriminating against us (whinge,
    sniffle)".  I don't know about anyone else in this notesfile, but there
    are a *very few* Digits on one certain island that are beginning to
    sound like mosquitos. :^[
    
    As most of those I've dealt with in other countries know, I've been
    glad to help with immigration, vacations, finding/forwarding
    publications, job lists, technical support, looking up addresses/phone
    numbers, and more.  All's it takes is asking me, or probably most any
    US Digit, politely.
    
    								Tex

re .-1

>    and press pound.
    
Another bloody US-specific reply!

    > OK, for all the whingers about the "US Centric", etc...the US has
    > provided, per a previous noter, a dtn (223-1800) to call US 800
    
    
    Not anymore! It went away a couple of years ago.  I just tried it
    again incase it was re-instated and got the usual:
    
    "The number you have reached is not in service.  If you are calling
    Digital Equipment Corporation please dial 508-493-5111. If you are
    on the DTN please dial 8-223-2211."
    
    Robin

    re:.23
    
>    and press pound.
    
    How about "Press #" ?  Is that *-centric ?
    

    Not being European, I'm not exactly sure what the issue is but I think
    its because the pound (#) button doesn't exist on most of the phones
    over there.  Even here, it doesn't work for rotary phones -- which some
    people still have.
    
    Larry
    

    
    I thought that "#" was called an octothorp, you know, 'cuz it's got
    eight thorps.
    
    We now return to the thread already in progress...
    
    len.
    

    Can't help anyone who doesn't have a pound (#) key on their phone, but
    I just tested the dtn mentioned.  Dialed it, got a dial tone.  Dialed 
    4CH-ICKE (424-4253), pressed the aforementioned key, and talked to a
    representative of Tyson Chicken in Fayetteville, AR.
    
    Nation-Wide 800 numbers should work (someone please test same, post
    results here).  Statewide 800s probably won't.  Thus 1-800-88T-EXAS
    should get you Texas Tourism, but 1-800-IMC-INDY, if it's an
    enterprising call-girl operating locally, will not.
    
    								Tex

re.22:                         -< Please, stop the whining! >-

So the whining always comes from this side of the pond and not yours eh 
Tex? You are obviously new to this file and not aware that the majority of 
contributors are from your side of the pond and there has been considerable 
whining in this file over the past four to five years!

Dave.

>    Can't help anyone who doesn't have a pound (#) key on their phone, but
>    I just tested the dtn mentioned.  Dialed it, got a dial tone.  Dialed 
>    4CH-ICKE (424-4253), pressed the aforementioned key, and talked to a
>    representative of Tyson Chicken in Fayetteville, AR.
 
    I tried also with the same results mentioned by a previous non-US
    noter. No joy. Apparently the DTN mentioned would appear to be a
    US centric solution only.
       
>    Nation-Wide 800 numbers should work (someone please test same, post
>    results here).  Statewide 800s probably won't.  Thus 1-800-88T-EXAS
>    should get you Texas Tourism, but 1-800-IMC-INDY, if it's an
>    enterprising call-girl operating locally, will not.
>    
>    								Tex
    
    Now let me see, I guess the T maps to an 8, the E to a 3 or is it a
    2, X has got be a 9 or would it be 0...

    I tried the DTN number and successfully dialed an 800 number from it. 
    
    I know for the Europeans I am probably splitting a(n) hair, here,
    however I called from Canada to the US-centric DTN number and put in
    the Digital Canada 800 Service number and it worked.  So at least for
    some non texans the system seems to work.
    
    But you know I cant help feeling that in todays environment that the
    wrong problem is being solved their ...... I want an 800 number that I
    can call that will give me access to any DTN number - now that would
    help.

    >I want an 800 number that I
    >can call that will give me access to any DTN number - now that would
    >help.
    
    In the US at least, all employees that have an MCI long distance card
    have this. From most places in the US, we just have to dial a local
    access number, but 800 service is available also. We just dial
    950-1022, wait for tone, dial DTN, wait for tone, dial credit number.
    If for some reason the local access number doesn' work from where you
    are (or you're at a pay phone with no change in your pocket!) then just
    dial 1-800-950-1022 for access.
    
    Harry
    

    >           <<< Note 3939.31 by STOWOA::BUFTON::NBUFTON >>>
    > -< But isn't pound part of the imperial and sterling vocabulary? >-

    >.................  Having been raised by ICT  ..........
    
    Way to go, Nigel! ... Do you remember that Plan programming course in
    Putney and then watching "Magic Roundabout" each evening?  
    
    Yes indeed, we were raised by ICT. :-)
    
    - Richard.
    
    [who apologizes for the unseemly display of nostalgia] 

    >    But I guess that's my narrow zenophobic viewpoint.
                                      ==========
    
    Fear of getting too close to a paradox?

re: .39

>>  Way to go, Nigel! ... Do you remember that Plan programming course in
>>  Putney and then watching "Magic Roundabout" each evening?  

Richard...  shhhhh, people are listening! 

It was 1967 - we were about seventeen back then - we haven't seen each other 
since  - we slid into the U.S. independently a few years apart in the '80s - 
be careful you don't blow our cover!!  ;-)

    Folk wanting to ask questions about the 800 number access service 
    may want to pursue it the DTN conference to get the right audience.
    
    	Dave
    
                  <<< JETSAM::ENT:[NOTES$LIBRARY]DTN.NOTE;1 >>>
                      -< DTN - DIGITAL Telephone Network >-
================================================================================
Note 551.0      The new 800# note. Access to 800 services via DTN      5 replies
GVA02::BOWMAN "Mike BOWMAN, DTN 821-4767"            16 lines   4-APR-1995 05:06
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    It has been suggested that we have far too many different notes on the
    subject of access to 800# freephone services in the US, I fully agree.
    
    As the service was briefly withdrawn and is now again functional I have
    deleted all the old notes.
    
    Please use this new note for any subjects in connection with remote
    access to 800 services.
    
    Access is now being provided from European physical network sites,
    Canada and Mexico.
    
    The access method is to dial DTN 297-0800, wait for dial tone then dial
    the last seven digits of the 800 number.
    
    Mike
    

    
    	The sheer amount of highly useful information contained in this
    string is amazing; and to consider that it started by .0 trying to
    find a postscript Digital holiday calendar is awesome. It is no wonder
    we DECies are a breed apart.
    
    	Now if I can only fing that damn "pound" key....
    
    		the Greyhawk

>    	Now if I can only fing that damn "pound" key....
                          ^^^^ ?
    Fing?
    
    Ping?
    
    Sing?
    
    							:^] Tex

>  
>         The sheer amount of highly useful information contained in this
>     string is amazing; and to consider that it started by .0 trying to
>     find a postscript Digital holiday calendar is awesome...

Apparently hypertext was never really a necessity.

Please don't post it here - it takes up space that is unnecessary.  If you
have a copy lying around, send it to NOTAPC::RIOPELLE.

I don't see what the big hurry is.

				Steve

    
    	Maybe because FY96 starts Sunday.
    

    
    	And everyone has forgotten whether Digital is having the Fourth of
    July Holiday, or not....
    
    
    		the Greyhawk

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>     	And everyone has forgotten whether Digital is having the Fourth of
>        July Holiday, or not....
>    
>    		the Greyhawk
    
    Greyhawk, is this another one of those US centric things? :-)

    The .ps file has at least one error.  July 3 is an assignable
    holiday (according to VTX's Employee Services/Activities Holiday
    Schedule), but it is not shown.

    >The .ps file has at least one error.  July 3 is an assignable
    >holiday (according to VTX's Employee Services/Activities Holiday
    >Schedule), but it is not shown.
    
    July 3rd may be an assignable holiday in the USA, but not in
    France (where the PostScript file originated).

    I don't know what the rationale might have been for marking holidays.
    The dates marked as holidays on the calendar all seem to be
    U.S. holidays:
    	4th of July, Labor Day, Thanksgiving, day after Thanksgiving
    (the other assignable holiday), and Memorial Day, plus of course 
    Christmas and New Year's.
    
    Given that list, I don't see why July 3rd wasn't marked too.

>    Greyhawk, is this another one of those US centric things? :-)
    
    July 4th is a uniquely American celebration, first declared in the
    NorthEast colonies to celebrate independence from having to dress in
    drag constantly, wearing wigs, hoses, and high heels.  Under British
    law, this had been mandatory in hopes of reducing the rebellious
    population by making them extremely unattractive to each other. 
    Instead, this spurred a hotbed of rebellion wherein the Minute Men rose
    up and burned their bras.  This was to be repeated almost 200 years
    later by women, coincidentally enough.
    
    The Revolution proceeded at a fairly slow pace for some time, primarily
    due to transportation and communications issues.  British generals
    would request additional troops from England, so they could all stand
    in lines with drums and fifes.  The citizens of the newly formed US,
    mistaking them for obnoxious high school marching bands, would promptly
    thin out the ranks in the vain hope of staving off future Rose Bowl
    parades.  The additional troops would arrive post-haste, usually within
    a year, to find all their colleagues dead.  In response, they would
    quickly gather into lines with drums and...anyway, history repeats
    itself.
    
    Ultimately, the war was over when it became extremely difficult to
    recruit English soldiers.
    
    Recruiting Officer: "So, son, would you like to travel across the ocean
    in a leaky wooden ship the size of a large beer cask, stand in a line
    wearing women's clothing, and get shot for playing marching music?"
    
    Recruitee: "How much does it pay?"
    
    Ok, well it wasn't always so difficult, but it did help clean up the
    gene pool over a brief period of time.
    
    Anyway, King George was eventually notified by registered mail that he
    had lost the war and the powdered wig franchise in the new United
    States to boot.  Extremely unhappy, he placed a ban on ice cubes in his
    own country that is still in effect today.
    
    								Tex

Tex:

  Now, could you please explain "The British Invasion" of 1964
  and how that fits in to all of this?

                                   Atlant

    
    	Atlant -
    
    	The British invasion of 1964 consisted of several offshoots of the
    early drum and bugle corps (see note .56) that had adopted electricity
    as their primary method of making noise with their respective
    instruments. This caused young, impressionable American youths to
    believe the corresponding noise was actually music.
    
    	The rest, as they say, is history....
    
    		the Greyhawk

    If you want to copy the official AMTABLES version, you can get it from
    AWECIM""::FY96CAL.PS.

    That's right, Corson.  The British invasion was also typified by the
    wearing of grotesque hairstyles, heretofore only seen on Angora guinea
    pigs.  By this point, the American populace had pretty well been
    inundated by persistent marching bands, reaching down to the high
    school level.  Thus, only one member of the original invaders was
    actually shot.  The assasin, as opposed to getting a hero's welcome,
    was heaped with scorn, as he forced the rest of us to listen to the
    victim's songs, which we had heard semi-constantly for thirty years,
    being played on all media back-to-back for a six month mourning period.
    
    Many of the original invaders were given crude names intended to show
    the similarity of their haircuts to local fauna.  This convention
    persisted for some years, at which point we had run through the entire
    phyla and spectra and mantra of the animal kingdom.  These rogue groups
    are now "verbed" upon initial sighting, their names intended to show
    similarity to their musical output.  (See "Smashing Pumpkins" and
    "Splitting Watermelons", fig. pg 67).
    
    In any event, the invaders didn't achieve the desired effect of forcing
    Americans back into colonial repression via the wearing of stupid wigs
    and women's clothing...except for the Castro district of San Francisco,
    where Tories are apparently still holding out, if not back.
    
    								Tex

    Of course, the current UK invasion (ie the takeover of Broadway) is
    succeeding in getting Americans to don wigs, tights etc... :-)
    
    regards,
    /Alan

    Re: .56, .60
    
    Tex,
    
    You missed your calling!   What a great imagination and way with the
    words!  
    
    
    TJ

Why one of the file is only 11 blocks while the other one takes up 178 ?

Vikas:

  You know as well as I do that one can write inefficient programs
  in *ANY* language.
                                   Atlant


P.S.: Pundit's claim only; Your (definition of) efficiency may vary;
      Tax, title, and dealer's preparation charges not included.

    Disclaimer: I didn't write it, I just got it from AMTABLES. I'll let
    the Postscript experts battle this one out.

    perhaps the extra shading required for 3rd July?
    
    /Chris.

>    Tex,
>    
>    You missed your calling!   What a great imagination and way with the
>    words!  
    
    
   Tex was only reciting what they taught him in grade school down there
    in Texas...

    American Revolution Abbreviated Version
    
    A lot of English came and then left.

>>     	And everyone has forgotten whether Digital is having the Fourth of
>>        July Holiday, or not....
>>    
>>    		the Greyhawk
>    
>    Greyhawk, is this another one of those US centric things? :-)
    
    It might be, Roelof. When do you celebrate the Fourth of July in
    Holland?
    
    :-)
    
    -Tom
    

>    It might be, Roelof. When do you celebrate the Fourth of July in
>    Holland?
    
    July 4, of course.
    
      John

    
    	Unless you're English...
    
    
    		the Greyhawk

    I copied the fiscal calendar identified in .59 and hacked the
    PostScript to put the year in each quarter's heading. Makes it easier
    to tell what year you are looking at...
    
    Feel free to copy it from cupmk::user3:[frascinella.public]fy96cal.ps
    
    Yours,
    
    Michael F.

>        Unless you're English...
>    
>    
>                the Greyhawk

	On July 4th, I shall have my very own "thank god
	they've gone" party.

    re .73 and others
    
    I have always thought it would be appropriate for the British and
    Commonwealth expatriates in the U.S. of A. to organize a cricket match
    on July 4 to be played, of course, on Lexington Green. This would be to
    show the descendants of those in rebellion against His Majesty what
    civilized sport is all about. 

>    	Unless you're English...
    
    Then you've nothing to celebrate, judging by the surly responses...

    Re. .71, .75, .75:
    
      If we took time off to celebrate the independence anniversaries of all of
    our old colonies, we'd never get any work done here at all. 
    
    Ken

 >   It might be, Roelof. When do you celebrate the Fourth of July in
 >   Holland?
    
    Believe it or not, April 30th...

There's a modified version of the FY96 calendar on SHIPS::FY96CAL_UK.PS.

It shows UK public holidays rather than US.

Mike

        Every year I'm asked; "Do you have July 4th in Scotland?"
        
        Straight faced  reply;  "No, we go directly from the 3rd to the
        5th"
        
        Seriously though -  Americans are wonderful - my birthday is on
        the 2nd July and  all these nice folks (many of whom have never
        met me) set up this  enormous  party  with nationwide fireworks
        and all just to celebrate it!   Funny though, it must take some
        time to set up as they're always  a  couple  of  days late, but
        it's the thought that count, I say.
        
        My thanks to you all!
        
        Andy  ;*)
        

>      If we took time off to celebrate the independence anniversaries of all of
>    our old colonies, we'd never get any work done here at all. 
    
    You do now? :^]  Every time I call over there I'm told by voicemail
    that it's "National Queen Mum Popped an Arse-Grape Day" and no one will
    be working the entire week in celebration!

    Guy Fawkes, the only man to enter parliament with honest
    intent.  November the 5th is the day.  

Isn't Canada Day July 1st or 2nd ?

I believe it is celebrated with fireworks also

Dave V

>> Isn't Canada Day July 1st or 2nd ?

According to my U.S.A. made calendar Canada Day is July 1.

    
    	Right now, what I don't understand is...
    
    	Working for a true multinational, why we can't take all these
    holidays off in the nature of valueing *true diversity*. I know it
    would work for me....
    
    
    		the Greyhawk

    from Vermont Teddy Bear ad:
    
    "It's somebody's birthday EVERYDAY!"

re .85;

What an astoundingly brilliant concept Greyhawk! I believe India alone gets
around 22 paid holidays.

\dave

RE .85

	I use to know a lot of people that did that :-)

	Unfortunately there are still some of those around.....

Dave V

    RE: .85
    
    GH, 
    
    So if I understand your proposal, we in the Boston area could
    celebrate Casimir Polasky (sp?) while you folks out in the windy city
    could celebrate Bunker Hill Day?
    
    Who would decide which Holiday to celebrate when there are 2 on the
    same day? For example, November 20 is Repentance Day in Germany, while
    it is Anniversary of the Revolution in Mexico.
    
    Kevin

    I heard a while ago that people who work for the EU get a day off when
    there is a public holiday in any EU member country. 
    
    It totals something like 100+ days a year.
    
    However, instead of not working on the holiday day, the employees get
    paid a higher amount for that day for working on a holiday day.
    
    ie it's done to get extra pay!

re.80:

The name of your invented holiday referencing the "Queen Mum" does not make
any sense in English perhaps you'd care to explain what was meant? 

Dave.

    re.91
    
    That is well and truly Urban Myth...8)
    
    Cheers,
    Nick.

>                      <<< Note 3939.89 by NEMAIL::KGREENE >>>
>                          -< Could be complicated ^;] >-
>     
>     Who would decide which Holiday to celebrate when there are 2 on the
>     same day? For example, November 20 is Repentance Day in Germany, while
>     it is Anniversary of the Revolution in Mexico.

   You'd combine them.  

   So Nov. 20 would be Repent the Revolution Day.   :^)

    RE: .91
    
    My other half works at the Commission, and I can assure you that it's
    an urban myth. However, they do get a lot of time off, including
    personal holidays and public holidays it's more than 35 days a year,
    paid.
    
    Laurie.

    JULY 1ST IS CANADA DAY, EH.
    
    Not really sure what it means, maybe a celebration of leaving the
    Commonwealth.  Or is that Confederation Day?  It's a great way to start
    off the Fiscal New Year, with one glitch, the Beer stores are closed.
    
    Regards,
    
    Ex-Hoosier, living in Toronto
    

RE .96

	A couple years ago I was up in Brantford the last 
weekend of June and was told what Canada Day was celebrated 
for but I don't recall now.  

must have been enjoying the LeBatt's Ice too much.... :-) 

Stock up today and you don't have to worry about the stores being
closed, eh

Dave V

Hope all in North America have a nice holiday weekend	

re .71

 >Losing side never celebrates...
 >Unless you're English...

Well then, how do you explain all these men dressed up in grey uniforms,
marching around with rifles and rebel flags.....

Dave

    
    	Believe they are making a political statement on one hand; and
    having an excuse to get out of the house and drink beers with the guys
    on the other.
    
    
    		the Greyhawk

    re .98
    
    Maybe the fellows in grey don't think it's over yet - just scaled back
    to a peacekeeping status, but not officially "lost".
    
    Rob (what do I know about it anyway) Wall - Canada
    

  re: <<< Note 3939.98 by AIMTEC::BURDEN_D >>>

  Dave,

  what makes you think the guys in grey really 'lost'? ... 8^)

  Ron

Well, for one thing, the Civil War sites here in the south just have signs where
the buildings used to be.  Up north, the buildings are still standing.... :-)

Dave

    One could say that's because the south learned when it's time to tear
    down old buildings to make room for new ones.  The north just keeps
    trying to patch the old ones :-)
    
    Irene

    RE LAST FEW
    
    CANADA DAY  very similar to your Independance Day.
    
    Canada became a country on July 1, 1867. 
    
    Obviously the history of Canada is not a big topic of discussion in
    US schools.
    
    Terry 
    Ottawa, Canada

    Terry,
    
    Don't sell our American cousins short.
    Some do know what is going on up here.
    
    Check out ::Soapbox
    
    If you have a thick skin :-)
    
    
    
    joan

    I thought that Canada became a dominion in 1867, but not a truly
    independent country until just recently (in my lifetime).  Didn't
    Canada require permission from England to change their constitution
    before 1970 or so?
    
    				-John

re: Canada day

And I thought the name of the holiday was "Dominion Day".

Damn nice of them to declare my birthday a national holiday 8^)

Ray

    Canada's constitution was partriated in 1982. Before that our
    "constition" was the British North America Act. In the 115 years in
    which that was the case the British Parliment never declined a request
    of the Candian Parliment to change the act. 
    
    The name "Dominion of Canada" was chosen specifically because the
    fathers of confederation though that "Kingdom of Canada" would offend
    the sensibilities of our republican neighbours to the south. 
    
    Dominion Day was changed to Canada day by act of parliment in 1982
    (also the year that the words to O Canada were changed when it was 
    officially decleared to be the National Anthem) 

The AMTABLES entry in VTX refers to the VMS SCHED tool,
but neither source seems to have the PostScript version
of the FY1997.
Has the PS file been an ad hoc creation of somebody who has passed on
or not gotten to it yet, or is it officially available?

So where will we find a well-formatted FY97 calendar?

- tom]