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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

3608.0. "An opportunity to save big $$$ on accessory purchases" by NOTAPC::SEGER (Mark Seger) Wed Jan 04 1995 15:48

The PC in my office is out of disk space so I plan to get a new hard drive for
it.  It turns out the normal process for purchasing something under $1K is to go
through DECdirect.  A 540MB hard drive in that catalog costs $898!!!  There is
NO WAY I'm going to spend that kind of money on something that goes for a 
fraction of that price on the open market.

I just got off the phone with Insight Direct Inc., set up a corporate account
and got a price of $229 for the same disk.  Now I have to see if I can find a
way to get our purchasing system to allow me to buy it.  My plan is to write up
a PO and try and get it through the system...

This brings to my mind 2 very serious questions:

	o	why is it that our prices are 4X that of the street price?  do
		people actually pay that much?  even with our internal %20 off
		the prices are still a joke.

	o	why are our purchasing systems NOT focused on getting the best
		possible prices?

-mark
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3608.1QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centWed Jan 04 1995 16:026
What catalog are you looking at?  Digital's catalog price for a 540MB
IDE disk (FR-PCXAR-CL) is $399.  Sure, that's higher than Computer City -
Digital doesn't adjust its prices as often as the stores do - but it was
not a bad price in September.

					Steve
3608.2Isn't the IEG discount 70%?JUMP4::JOYPerception is realityWed Jan 04 1995 16:058
    Plus, if you are purchasing this thru your cost center doesn't IEG give
    a 70% discount? 70% off of $399 give you a price of 119.70. Sounds like
    a pretty good deal to me.
    
    Of course if this is a personal purchase then you only get the 20% off.
    
    Debbie
    
3608.3NOTAPC::SEGERMark SegerWed Jan 04 1995 16:1112
>What catalog are you looking at?  Digital's catalog price for a 540MB
>IDE disk (FR-PCXAR-CL) is $399.  Sure, that's higher than Computer City -
>Digital doesn't adjust its prices as often as the stores do - but it was
>not a bad price in September.

yikes!  I just looked again and it's the PCatalog (not DECdirect), Sept 1994. 
Same part number but I stand by the $898 price tag.  it's on page 41. 

How can the same part number differ by that much in 2 catalogs from the same
month?

-mark
3608.4IEG is 40% for PC optionJVAX::NEUFFERWed Jan 04 1995 16:1116
    Try checking VTX IEG for ordering and pricing information. Internal
    orders are
    discounted at 40% off list. Also, The pricing for storage devices has
    dropped considerably. Check the US Systems Price list to find out
    current list
    for options. The latest PC catalog lists a 540 MB IDE drive for $399
    and with
    discount it brings the price down to under $240.
    
    Using IEG allows Digital to utilze returns, DIAL, etc., plus saves that
    hassle
    of dealing with purchasing.
    
    Regards,
    Michael
      
3608.5ONE800::CODYWed Jan 04 1995 16:166
    When I was checking out prices for a 540 disk drive in November I
    called pcbydec and at first was given a price of $799 I believe, after
    looking it up online, the real price was $399.  Current prices are
    online, printed prices can become obsolete in a hurry.

    PJ
3608.6DNEAST::BOTTOM_DAVIDanti-EMM! anti-EMM! I hate expanded memory!- DorothyWed Jan 04 1995 16:516
Just to beg to differ but I paid significantly less than $399 for a WD 540 in
July

$399 was high even in September

dave
3608.7QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centWed Jan 04 1995 16:586
Re: .3

The current catalog is "December 1994".  The price is $399 - verified
through VTX PRICE.

				Steve
3608.8good price for internal but TERRIBLE for customersNOTAPC::SEGERMark SegerWed Jan 04 1995 17:556
thanks for all the feedback...  it seems like that when you apply a 40% discount
to our standard prices you then get something that's competitive.  however, I
still don't see how we're to have any credibility as a mail order business with
a price of $399 for something I can order almost ANYWHERE for under $300.

-mark
3608.9Pretty High in ComparisonISLNDS::MCWILLIAMSWed Jan 04 1995 18:354
    I bought a Western Digital 850 MB disk for $389 over this Christmas
    vacation.  The 730 was listed as $329 at CompUSA, but they were out.
    
    /jim
3608.10Plenty of room for Linux now :^)GOTIT::harleyPay no attention to that man behind the curtain...Wed Jan 04 1995 19:174
I grabbed a Toshiba 1.2GB SCSI drive at a PC show in Marlboro a
couple of weeks ago for $440+tax.

/harley
3608.11but why are we so expensive?NOTAPC::SEGERMark SegerWed Jan 04 1995 19:546
This note seems to have strayed somewhat from one of the initial points, namely
if we want our customers to take us seriously as a component vendor, how do we
justify having such high prices for disk drives (and I assume other options as
well) in our catalogs? 

-mark
3608.12PCBUOA::KRATZWed Jan 04 1995 20:2111
    The actual problem here seems to be how do we keep people from
    using 4 month old catalogs.  Current catalog is January.
    Also, right or wrong, remember that the PC group, as well as
    the rest of Digital, and Hewlett Packard, and others, use a
    pricing structure that provides support for resellers.  Gateway,
    Zeos, etc don't use resellers.  I don't defend the use of
    resellers; but this is why things are the way they are.
    Note also that Digital got hosed into buying a lot of hard disks
    [at now rediculous prices] from Quantum as part of the disk
    business sale.  You try and get back what you can.
    Kratz
3608.13NCMAIL::SMITHBWed Jan 04 1995 20:395
    can anyone supply a quick summary of the steps necessary to go through
    ieg to order a disk or whatever...
    
    Thanks in advance,
    Brad.
3608.14for orders *below* the expensed limitLGP30::FLEISCHERwithout vision the people perish (DTN 297-5780, MRO3-3/L16)Thu Jan 05 1995 00:4891
re Note 3608.13 by NCMAIL::SMITHB:

>     can anyone supply a quick summary of the steps necessary to go through
>     ieg to order a disk or whatever...
  
        Basically, you fill out this (fairly simple) form, send it
        via Email to your CC manager, your CC manager sends it marked
        approved to IEG, and it gets shipped.

        The following is a form I recently used (I think I got it
        from VTX <something>):



INSTRUCTIONS:
_____________


Cost Center orders MUST be sent electronically from the cost center manager's
account.  If a designee's account is used, it must be accompanied by an
authorization memo from the cost center manager.

Electronic orders should be sent to INH_ORDER @ MKO or VAXmail
MKOTS4::INH_ORDER.

Ordering information and the order form are also available on VTX:

At the $ prompt, type VTX DOC.
Select #2, Business Processes
Select #6, In-house (Cost Center) Ordering Information

You will receive an electronic acknowledgment of your order.  If you have
any questions, please call DTN 264-7777.


                        FOR DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY
 
U.S. Customer Administration: Direct Order Channels
 Business Processes
 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 In-House (Cost Center) Ordering     	           |  Screen  2 of 2
 Information                                       |  Issue Date: 03-31-93
 Number             				   |  Review Date: 05-02-94
 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

An order form is attached for your convenience.

ORDER FORM:


Contact Name: Robert J. Fleischer

DTN: 297-5780
External phone#: (508) 467-5780

Cost center to be charged: xxx

Cost center Managers Name: Tim Horgan
       or
Signatory Authority
Assigned to (if not cc mgr):

Ship-to address:  3 Results Way (MRO3-3/L16)
                  Marlboro, MA 01752

Attn.:  Robert J. Fleischer
Mail stop:  MRO3-3/L16


     Qty                Part#                  Description

      1              BC09D-03/KGR    straight SCSI connector.  3 ft
      1              BC09D-06/KGR    straight SCSI connector.  6 ft
      3              TLZ04-CB/KGR    DAT, DDS 60m, 1 GB (5/box)
      1              RRD4X-CA/KGR    Five caddies for RRD42 CD-ROM 


Badge#: xxxxxx

Project# (if applicable)

Special Instructions:


Please include your DTN and mail account information so we can contact you with
any questions.

Send order via ALL-IN-1 to INH_ORDER @MKO  or  VAXmail to MKOTS4::INH_ORDER
An order form is attached for your convenience.

                        FOR DIGITAL INTERNAL USE ONLY
3608.15LJSRV2::KALIKOWBuggyChipMakers=&gt;BuggyWhipMakersThu Jan 05 1995 01:148
    Hmm Bob -- why did you delete the part of the form where you have to
    submit notarized proof that you have in fact spun around 200 times on
    one heel while scrawling "I am an empowered employee" on each of an
    entire packet of Post-It(tm) notes (which you of course must purchase
    with your own funds)?
    
    Trying to make Management look good, are we???
                         
3608.17not a mail order businessMR3MI1::MREICHFri Jan 06 1995 11:186
    
    RE: .8
    
    I don't think we're trying to be a "mail order business". 
    
    
3608.18PC software discounted for DIGITAL employees?UNXA::ZASLAWSteve ZaslawMon Mar 24 1997 18:079
Someone just pointed me to
http://corp.software.net/corpindex.htm/SK:ckaaebbgjfghjbjf which says 

"You are entitled to order at the Digital Equipment Corporation corporate
price. A discount off our already low prices!"

What gives? The end of that URL looks like something you might get playing
an arpeggio on an LK401. It was suggested the quoted message appears only if
accessed from .dec.com.
3608.19LGP30::FLEISCHERwithout vision the people perish (DTN 381-0426 ZKO1-1)Mon Mar 24 1997 18:3923
re Note 3608.18 by UNXA::ZASLAW:

> Someone just pointed me to
> http://corp.software.net/corpindex.htm/SK:ckaaebbgjfghjbjf which says 
> 
> "You are entitled to order at the Digital Equipment Corporation corporate
> price. A discount off our already low prices!"
> 
> What gives? The end of that URL looks like something you might get playing
> an arpeggio on an LK401. It was suggested the quoted message appears only if
> accessed from .dec.com.
  
        I know nothing about the discount, but that funny sequence in
        the URL is one way that Web servers have of tracking a given
        session through their pages -- each connect without one is
        assigned a unique ID, and the pages you are given use that ID
        in their within-site URLs, so on subsequent clicks through
        the site they know where your click-stream has been.

        (It's a little like a "cookie", except users generally don't
        see the cookies.)

        Bob
3608.20I have Netscape setup to tell me about cookie monstershndymn.zko.dec.com::MCCARTHYA Quinn Martin ProductionTue Mar 25 1997 09:596
>>        (It's a little like a "cookie", except users generally don't
>>        see the cookies.)

And that web site also "sets a cookie".

bjm