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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
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3599.0. "CON CALL" by GVAADG::PERINO (Sur le pont du Titanic) Thu Dec 22 1994 14:29

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3599.1Some good, some bad - dependsSWAM2::GOLDMAN_MABlondes have more Brains!Thu Dec 22 1994 17:0731
    There is a a relatively small group of folks (eight to nine of us) who
    all do this same job, and we are spread out all over the US; some work
    from H.O.M.E. program, some in Digital offices.  We have monthly to
    bi-weekly con calls with our functional management at MRO, and they
    work out very well.  MRO gets what they need, we get a chance to vent
    and/or to discuss issues, compare notes on how to get the job done
    better/faster/cheaper, etc., and generally get a lot done in a short
    period of time.
    
    I think that both the intent of the call, the agenda communicated in
    advance, and the appropriate chairperson are important to making a con
    call a productive experience.  If everybody knows what business needs
    to get done, and the chair is careful to go around the entire virtual
    table, it can work well.  I like those calls.  
    
    I do not like mass concalls where 60 or 70 people get on the phone 
    and listen to one or two other people make some sort of speech, and
    then ask for questions.  Those always turn out like .0 -- you can't
    hear the questions, so the answers don't make sense.  And, of course,
    if, by chance you *want* to ask something, you have to hope that you
    can fit in to the 10 minutes reserved for Q & A, along with the other
    60 or 70 people who also want to ask a question!  Just send me an
    e-mail;  it is faster, more efficient, and actually gives me a chance
    to *absorb* the information before asking a question!
    
    M.
    
    
    
    
    
3599.2That dialogue in .0 is so true!!!!KOALA::HAMNQVISTReorg cityThu Dec 22 1994 19:2918
    Having worked most of my years in Engineering on the European side, I
    definitely recognize what the base-noter is talking about. One of the
    fundamental problems with teleconferencing is that you generally lack
    even a single image of the other guys. Meaning, you have never met them
    and you will never ever find out how they look like.

    It is virtually impossible, without serious dicipline, to keep a anonymous
    minority on par with the friends you have around the table. Even if you 
    have a good agenda. It is all too easy for the majority to begin private
    dialogues and even go as far as pressing the Mute button when they get
    so side-tracked that they want to "fork off" for a few moments.

    If you at least have a photo of the people on the other side so that
    you can personify your anger and frustration it would work better.
    Perhaps a few ICON buttons on the phone-box for "Smile-face", "Speak-up"
    and "Request-to-speak", etc, would also help

    >Per
3599.3"My $0.02"CSEXP2::MORICKFri Dec 23 1994 03:2322
	I spend a majority of my meetings on concalls (95%). I find them
	very interesting. It is not the nature of concalling versa
	a face-to-face meeting that is the problem - it is usually the
	people chosen to attend and the person who is running the
	meeting/concall.

	One advantage of concalling is that the subliminal
	prejudices are not there, because you can not see them for 
	their color, race, creed, dress, religion - but their thoughts.
	It does however place upon each individual attending to be able 
	to express themselves verbally and not depending on someone to 
	pick up on their subtle or not so subtle gestures.
	Unfortunately I have seen in face-to-face meetings where a 
	scowl (physical intimidation) from a participant shuts up a 
	person with a great idea.

	Finally, if you depend upon body language to determine what a 
	person is thinking - I would like to invite you to our "Friendly 
	little poker game".

	Bruce
3599.4PASTIS::MONAHANhumanity is a trojan horseFri Dec 23 1994 07:2313
    	A few weeks ago I heard about what seems a blatant misuse of a
    conference call.
    
    	Everyone contributing to the meeting was in the same room in the
    U.S.. However, the responsible manager and his secretary are normally
    located in Valbonne. While the manager himself was present in person
    for the meeting in the U.S., his secretary who had to take the minutes
    was still in Valbonne. The transatlantic conference call was purely so
    she could take the minutes. As English is her *third* language she was
    going to tape record the conference anyway.
    
    	There must have been a cheaper way of having minutes of the meeting 
    than an hour long transatlantic phone call.
3599.5ah yes, I know con callsTINCUP::KOLBEWicked Wench of the WebTue Dec 27 1994 20:262
Hey Bruce, I've *been* on con calls with you. You can scowl
over the phone!!! ;*} Don'cha miss me. liesl
3599.6good^bad; CSC32::C_BENNETTWed Dec 28 1994 11:5723
    From the customer support side...
    
    CON calls can be good and bad.    On the good side if enough
    "problem manager" types get involved this makes the customer 
    feel like they are getting issues worked.   Warm and 
    fuzzy stuff, you know?       
    
    On the downside, alot of the problem manager types who are
    administrating the problem have no technical knowledge to 
    add value therefore I question whether this is good use of
    time.  Sometimes promises which have no sound technical 
    ground are made by the non-technical types that even 
    complicate the problem resolution process.   I mean  
    - how many Digital manager types does it  take to administer 
    the problem management tasks anyway?      The fewer the
    better I believe.  
    
    Once I was on a CON call with 10 other Digital Employees
    and the customer.     5 or 6 of the people probably had
    other things to do and really had a passing interest in
    problem.   Or maybe they did not have anything else to 
    do and were killing time in the name of I am busy and
    important therefore I deserve a job?
3599.7QUEK::MOYMichael Moy, Oracle SQL Engineering, 603-881-1943Wed Dec 28 1994 12:364
    When I was working in CSSE, I found it useful to have the problem
    managers involved as they could handle allocation of local resources.
    
    michael
3599.8TUBORG::C_BENNETTWed Dec 28 1994 14:455
    .7 ya - but in my cases 10 manager types at $50,000 + a year  to manage 
       1 problem is a bit much especially when 6 or 7 add no value at all.
    
    Good luck with Oracle Michael!
    
3599.9Some points and TeleVenueEEMELI::HENGThu Dec 29 1994 09:07261
	 Conference calls, as any form of meetings, can be very effective
	 or a total waste of time. There are many parameters affecting 
	 this. I am not going to even try to analyze them all here. 
	 However, from my last 5 year experience working in Finland and
	 reporting to the US, a short summary of things to pay attention 
	 to:
	 
	 - preparation before the call; if you are not prepared well,
	   you can't expect to get much out of it (applies to most
	   meetings anyway!)
	 - technology in place; voice quality, conference room 
	   acoustics, other tools (about which a bit more further)
	 - time reserved and the agenda: try to build the agenda to 
	   handle the subjects needing remote participants first. This
	   will shorten the time the audio links are needed and the 
	   propability that the remote participants' activity level
	   stays high
	 - rules of behaviour; a "hall way discussion" just does not 
	   work; always say who you are before you speak; speak clearly
	   and try to avoid interrupting others
 	 - write down agreed action items and send them as a mail 
	   message asap after the conference ... and follow up well 
	   before the next con call
	 - as a rule of thumb; avoid con calls where a large group is
	   in one room and a few remote participants are alone; if at
	   all possible try to do the con calls as one-on-one calls
	   in the preparation phase and use remote participants in
	   larger meetings to GIVE an opinion or a presentation and
	   let them go after they've done that; thus, try to avoid
	   arranging con calls where a large number of people in the
	   same room give several presentations and the few lonely
	   participants are expected to absorb all the information
	   and all the interaction happening in the room!
	 - avoid "rat holes" and brain storming while you expect the
	   remote participants to stay actively on-line! Optimally
	   get the input in advance and act as a representative for
	   the remote team members
	 - etc. etc.
	 

	 To provide visuals and visual interaction during Conference calls
	 a multipoint networked whiteboarding tool called "TeleVenue" was 
	 developed in an advanced development project with the Distance
	 Education centre of the University of Helsinki. There is a separate
	 notes file 

	 	48649::TELEVENUE

	 See notes 3.* for pointers to the software.

	 While TeleVenue does not provide interactive Video, it does 
	 provide interactive communication with graphics, text, images,
	 OLE-objects (Powepoint slides, Excel graphs etc.) and annotations 
	 over TCP/IP and DECnet networks (including SLIP connections - I'm 
	 using it from home with a 14.4Kbaud modem at least weekly).

	 While TeleVenue does not solve the behavioral and preparation
	 issues, it does provide a tool to avoid advance printing of
	 presentations or documents and gives a possibility to ask
	 questions in writing and the possibility of visual viewing
	 without expensive set-ups of video. It currently has clients for 
	 MS-Windows PCs, Ultrix and OSF/1 workstations. One of the 
	 difficulties with TeleVenue has been the availability of PCs or
	 workstations in conference rooms and attached over head 
	 projectors that are needed if any of the attending sites has
	 many participants.

	 I am willing to work together with anyone  to see if TeleVenue 
	 or something similar could be piloted to help your conference 
	 calls be more effective.

	 -- best regards,		Petteri Heng
 					Applied Research Manager
 					OMS Technical Services - AR FNO
	 				----
	 				heng@fno.mts.dec.com
	 				eemeli::heng
	 				Petteri Heng @FNO
	 				DTN: 879-5245

	 ps. Attached is a general description of TeleVenue


           
           
           
           	TeleVenue General Description 
           	  	  Dec-1994
           	        Petteri Heng 
           
           *************************************************************
           Notice: The information in this message is subject to change 
           without notice and should not be construed as a commitment by 
           Digital Equipment Corporation. Digital Equipment Corporation 
           assumes no responisbility for any errors that may appear in 
           this message.
           *************************************************************
           
                TeleVenue is a network whiteboard that allows multiple 
           users to share text and images and to annotate them in real 
           time. The principle characteristics are:
           	
           	-client/server design
           	-multiple client conferences
           	-TCP/IP or Decnet transport
           	-MOTIF or Windows client or mixed
           	-full OLE/drag-and-drop/copy/paste and screen capture
           	-full conference discipline tools
           	-conference recording
            
    
    
              Introduction
    
                       TeleVenue provides a shared whiteboard facility to
              multiple,local or remote users.                      
              It emulates the environment of a conference room where 
              multiple people share and discuss what is displayed on a  
   	      whiteboard and annotate and modify it in a disciplined or 
   	      non-disciplined manner.
    
                      Users can open and share a window with other
              users, display any stored information on the shared
              window (Postscript, DDIF/image or text files on MOTIF, text and
   	      OLE objects - Excel graphs, Powerpoint slides, Word document   
   	      portions. BMP, GIF, TIFF images etc. on Windows from any
              source), annotate the window and store the result. The
              application is of particular use whenever joint sharing or
              use of information is needed as, for example, in remote
              presentations or project coordination at remote sites.
    
              Functionality
    
                      Any user with access to a RELAY server can either
              create a conference or enter one already open. RELAY is the
              name given to the server which provides optimised transport
              of shared data over the network between multiple clients.
    
                      On entering a conference,the user can observe the
              conference whiteboard from the moment he enters the
              conference. He can see who is in the conference and can
              request from the conference leader(moderator), the right to
              draw on the screen. He can send comments and receive them via
              the chatline (see below). If the user hasn't entered a
              conference form the start of that conference, he will have to
              request the moderator to re-display the whole whiteboard to
              be able to see it.
    
                      If he creates the conference, then he may take on some
              of the disciplinary roles such as conference housekeeping 
              and moderation (determining who speaks).
   
    
              
    	      TeleVenue Overview
    
    
              Conference  Moderation
                      TeleVenue, as its name suggests, is a tool that you can
              use to "meet" in a data network. The meetings are called
              CONFERENCES that you either CREATE or ENTER by selecting the
              appropriate option from the 'Conference' pull down menu.
    
                       If you CREATE a conference,you will automatically be
              the MODERATOR of your conference. The moderator has special
              rights - for example the right to decide if the SHARED
              WHITEBOARD (one of the most important components) is
              available to all participants of the conference
              simultaneously or only to one attendee at a time. A whiteboard
              can always be seen by all participants but only annotated by
              one at a time in the moderated mode.
    
              The moderator also decides whether the conference is
              available to anyone for making annotations or if access is
              restricted to only those who know the conference  password.A
              conference moderator also has a certain responsibility to
              maintain discipline in much the same way as a meeting
              chairman. TeleVenue allows any user (once he has the right to
              draw) to do anything with the whiteboard,including erasing it
              or replacing it. As a consequence,the moderator is given all
              the tools to maintain conference order.
    
              Voice communication
    
                                  In a multipoint wide area conference
              probably the most practical way to have a conversation is
              over the telephone network. With TeleVenue, visual information
              display and real-time interaction with pointers is made
              possible during telephone conversations. Also,in
              videoconferences, TeleVenue may prove to be very useful as a tool
              to display computer stored information without the need to print 
   	      it on paper or transparencies.
    
              The Chatline
    
                      To support environments where telephones are not
              generally available to computer users (for example university
              campuses), TeleVenue features a CHATLINE function. This enables
              users to communicate with the keyboard. The CHATLINE
              may also prove to be useful in environments  where spoken
              language is a barrier to effective communication or it may be
              used to write the minutes or action items of a meeting. It
              also may be used as a channel to present questions in a
              written form to the current speaker.
    
              PC/Windows Client
    
              The PC Client has a number of features which are not yet
              available to the clients on OSF/1 or Ultrix:
    
              .Twin whiteboards with one used for preparation of slides
    
              .Cut/copy and paste from other applications via the clip-board
   	      onto either whiteboard
    
              .Object linking and embedding from tools such as Excel, Powerpoint
   	      etc.
    
              .Drag and drop of files onto the whiteboard.
    
   	      .Screen capture to display information that for some reason can
   	      not be copied via the clip-board
    
    
              Additional Features
    
              Voting  
   		The conference moderator can initiate a vote on any
              decision. Conference users can then vote secretly and the
              result displayed once the moderator so decides.
    
              Participants list
              	A user can see a complete list of conference
              participants. There is a  facility to display the business
              card and image of the current speaker.
    
              Request queue
              	When a user wants to draw on the whiteboard in a moderated
              conference, he simply requests the 'token' and the moderator
              can then assign the right to speak to this user. In this 
              instance the user will see the traffic light icon change from 
              red (can't speak) to green. In an unmoderated conference, all  
   	      users will see their traffic light as amber.
    
              Save and restore
                The current content of the whiteboard together
              with all changes can be saved and restored at any time.
   
              Recording
   		      Any conference of portions thereos can be recorded in    
   	      sequence and replayed to show the exact sequence of drawing and
   	      displayed events.
    
              The HW/SW Platform
    		The RELAY server software runs on an Ultrix, OSF/1 or 	        
   	      DOS/WINDOWS system. TeleVenue clients can be OSF/1, Ultrix or
              Windows systems. A VMS user (or in theory any MOTIF user) can use
   	      TeleVenue via "Set Host" and by redirecting the diplay to the  
              VMS/MOTIF workstation.  A single Ultrix or OSF system can act as
              both client and server. Communications requires TCP/IP or DECNET
              and for TCP/IP Windows Sockets for a Windows client.
3599.10Those were the days...CSEXP2::MORICKFri Dec 30 1994 02:118
Re: .5

	Ah, liesl. Yes - I miss you very much on concalls because you
	can express yourself extremely well. And I am sure that the MUTE
	button came in very handy while you were cussing me out. ;v)

	Nice personal name by the way....