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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:	The Digital way of working

Moderator:	QUARK::LIONELON

Created:	Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	5321
Total number of notes:	139771

3338.0. "LTD" by NWD002::MORRIS_ER () Wed Aug 17 1994 23:39

    
    Manager just notified staff via allinone of change to long term 
    disability....the policy for employees returning from long term 
    disability will change effective August 22, 1994.  As of this date
    any employee returning from LTD will have 8 weeks in which to look for
    a position.  Should a position not be available/offered then the
    employee is terminated from the Company and given 4 weeks pay in 
    lieu.  Refer to policy number 4.09 form more details.
    
    Wouldn't this encourage those on LTD to stay on LTD.  Once they
    return to the workplace they are bound to be axed.
    
    Ernie

T.R	Title	User	Personal Name	Date	Lines
3338.1		YIELD::HARRIS		`Thu Aug 18 1994 02:04`	5
	Is this for people that would have been TFSOed had they not been on LTD? If not is this legal? It would seem to be saying that going on LTD means you loose your job. -Bruce
3338.2		CSOA1::LENNIG	Dave (N8JCX), MIG, @CYO	`Thu Aug 18 1994 08:26`	5
	You can be TFSO'd while on LTD (at least in the US). I've seen it happen... Dave
3338.3		PCOJCT::CRANE		`Thu Aug 18 1994 11:47`	4
	.2 I do not think that you can be TSFO`d on LTD because YOU are paying for that insurance...not Digital. Once you come back then your fair game for the package.
3338.4	it's always been that way	WEORG::SCHUTZMAN	Bonnie Randall Schutzman	`Thu Aug 18 1994 13:05`	6
	There has always been a provision in the fine print of the LTD that you could be terminated if your job went away while you were gone. It just didn't come into play very often in the days when there were more jobs than people. --bonnie
3338.5	TFSO/LTD - FACT OR FICTION	ODIXIE::GCOLLINS		`Thu Aug 18 1994 13:06`	8
	You can be TFSO's while on LTD as I have seen it happen as well. They don't notify the person being TFSO'd until they return from LTD. When they return, they are escorted out the door. If it is not legal, I am sure they worked around it somehow...... My .02... G
3338.6		TOOK::DELBALSO	I (spade) my (dog face)	`Thu Aug 18 1994 13:12`	12
	LTD is a benefit which you pay for (look at your paystub under voluntary deductions). As long as you are "on" it, which requires your doctor's approval, you continue to receive the benefit, up to retirement age. Once you are "off" it and return to work, you are subject to whatever the prevailing conditions may be. It is possible, in cases where the disability is not expected to improve to allow one to ever work again, to be terminated from the company (i.e. no longer on the DIGITAL payroll) however the LTD benefit/income still continues to retirement age. This info was obtained from an attorney. -Jack
3338.7		NPSS::BRANAM	Steve, Network Product Support	`Thu Aug 18 1994 20:25`	15
	Looking at VTX ORANGEBOOK, this is a reduction in the job search and "pay in lieu" periods, not a new policy designed to get rid of those on LTD. The previous policy, which was effective from 22-NOV-93, stated that you had 13 weeks to find a job, and then would be eligible for 8 weeks pay in lieu if you could not find one. OLD NEW Job search period: 13wks 8wks Pay in lieu of notice: 8wks 4wks ----- ---- Total: 21wks 12wks So the overall policy appears to be the same, what has changed is that the guaranteed pay upon return has been cut almost in half. Not a happy story, but not quite as evil as it might appear at first glance.
3338.8	Choice-Package vs long LTD?	WFOV12::GRABOWSKI		`Fri Aug 19 1994 05:50`	12
	I believe that they can't TFSO you while on LTD.BUT as per the previous reply they force you to make a choice.My plant is closing (WFO) by March 95.The first wave of TFSO's is in September.My former boss has been on LTD for a year due to a bad car accident.He was notified by registered mail that he is in the first round which will get the 4wks + 1 wk/year package.However,he also has the option of staying on LTD until his doctor signs him able to work at which point he goes by the new 4wks in lieu of policy.He's got 24 years in so it's a calculation of package vs. how long he'll be out and his medical coverage continuiation.
3338.9		TOOK::MORRISON	Bob M. LKG1-3/A11 226-7570	`Mon Aug 22 1994 20:06`	9
	>the prevailing conditions may be. It is possible, in cases where the >disability is not expected to improve to allow one to ever work again, >to be terminated from the company (i.e. no longer on the DIGITAL payroll) >however the LTD benefit/income still continues to retirement age. Correct. This is informally called "permanent disability". Yes, I think this policy will encourage people who are almost but not quite well enough to return to work to stay on LTD longer, knowing that when they return to work they may be terminated in four weeks.