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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

3099.0. "Price for Used Equipment" by MR4DEC::TLEVITAN () Mon May 23 1994 20:43

    Has anyone out there bought old equipment - and I mean old - like a
    DECMate III?  And if so, what did you pay for it - internally.
    According to the SERP and TFSO list for employees wanting to buy the
    equipment - a DECMate III costs $100 and an LA75 cost $75.  I offered
    to pay $75 for both pieces.  In order to do that, the VP of the cc 
    has to approve.  He decided not to do so.....even after I showed his
    secretary the note that refers to $5M of equipment being crushed.  And
    that equipment was so new (according to the note) that PCs were 
    included in the batch.
    
    Let's face it.  It will cost the corporation a heck of a lot of money
    to do the paperwork - and then they'll take it and crush it anyway.
    So why not accept my $75?  I guess it's a matter of principle with
    him and I know it will cost me more then $175 to get a word processor
    and a printer on the outside -- won't it?
    
    So - anyone know anyone who bought and paid less then what was listed?
    
    Trudy  
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3099.1 A few thoughts on Word Processing. SUBURB::POWELLMNostalgia isn't what it used to be!Tue May 24 1994 12:2222
3099.2NPSS::BRANAMSteve, Network Product SupportTue May 24 1994 16:1318
Even a bare-bones low-end PC setup with Windows and a printer will
probably cost you $800-$1000. And of course you can go up from there...
The word processor that comes with Windows is pretty lean, too (I
presume .1 refers to WRITE), although functional for basic editing,
with basic formatting controls. Course, I remember when the formatting
capabilities of WordStar were state-of-the-art, and WRITE holds its
own against that. But you won't get three balanced columns
wrapping around 256-color graphics, and no automatic table of contents 
or index, or hyperlinks to audio and video, which of course every 
document needs ;^) 

Then there's the dedicated word-processor systems from Smith Corona
et al. I have been seeing a few of those appearing on the discount
shelves at places like Sears. Don't know how much, and of course then
you're totally limited to one function. But if that is really the only
thing you are interested in doing, that might be a cheap and easy way
to do it. I have never used one of these, but I imagine they would
give you about the same level of functionality as WRITE?
3099.3NASZKO::MACDONALDTue May 24 1994 16:2610
    
    
    Re: .2
    
    Depending on what you need, WRITE under Windows may do just fine.
    Word is superb but all things to all people.  I doubt I'll use more
    than 20% of its functionality.
    
    Steve
    
3099.4Individual cc mgr decisionOUTPOS::MURPHYDan Murphy, now at LKG.Wed May 25 1994 15:2514
> In order to do that, the VP of the cc 
>     has to approve.  He decided not to do so

    Indeed, it appears that individual cc managers have great discretion
    in this.  The only requirement is that the book value of the equipment
    be 0, which is easy because the bean counters depreciate the stuff
    very quickly.  I know of workstations being sold at attractive prices.

    I guess this is one case where you can't blame the remote
    powers-that-be.  Here, you know exactly who decided to give you
    a break or not.


    dlm
3099.5HANNAH::KOVNEREverything you know is wrong!Wed May 25 1994 17:297
I've been asking occasionally about getting a PDP-8e I currently have on a
property pass, but I've always been told they can't do anything about
transferring it to me or writing it off. I'm SURE it's book value is 0; the
machine dates from about 1975. Maybe it would come under the computer purchases
allowed if I was TFSO'd; unless I leave, I can keep it. 
Its not that I use it much; I'd just hate to see a museum piece like that
crushed.
3099.6MANTHN::EDDJust got The Goodbye LookWed May 25 1994 17:364
    How does one go about determining the price and possibly purchasing old
    hardware? 
    
    Edd
3099.7The Policy (possibly out of date)OUTPOS::MURPHYDan Murphy, now at LKG.Wed May 25 1994 20:27462
>     How does one go about determining the price and possibly purchasing old
>     hardware? 

    1. Get yourself TFSO'd.

    2. Point out to your cc manager that purchasing old hardware is
    supposed to be possible.  Following is the policy as of two years
    ago.  Maybe there is a more current version somewhere.

    3. Hope that your manager is feeling guilty for having laid you
    off and will interpret this policy in a manner favorable to you.
    In particular, if what you want isn't specifically on the list below,
    suggest to your manager that it should be considered equivalent
    to something that is.  This has been known to work in the past.

    Good luck.

    dlm

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Policies and Procedures                                 Author: Paul Coute                                           
Employee Purchase of Used/Idle Computer Equipment -     Date: April 21,1992
Transition Programs                                     Page 1 of 7

Document Identifier

A-DG-ELCP758-04 Rev A

Section 1: Objective

The purpose of this policy is to establish a process for employees
to purchase used/idle computer equipment as authorized by specific Company
transition programs.

Section 2: Scope

Worldwide, as authorized under the following programs:

   0 Transition Financial Support Offer (TFSO)

   0 Special Early Retirement Program (SERP)

   0 Engineers to Education Program

Section 3: Policy

This policy provides an opportunity for eligible employees under the above 
programs to purchase used/idle computer equipment for their use under 
following conditions:

   1. Applicable equipment must have a zero book value. 
   2. Applicable equipment is limited to "personal use" equipment.
   3. Employees may purchase no more than two 'personal use" systems.
   4  Employees must sign and agree to Attachment A.
   5. All 3rd party software must be removed by a Digital Service
      Representative to comply with existing license agreements.
   6. The purchase fee is to reimburse Digital for administrative and 
      Digital Service expenses.


Section 4: Procedure

4.1  Employee Process

     a. The process to be used by an employee authorized under one of the
        above programs is as follows:

        1. Refer to Corporate Waste Management Policies Section, "List
           of Applicable Used/Idle Computer Equipment", Reference
           Document Section, listed under "VTX Waste".  Exceptions to
           this list require the written approval of the Vice-President
           for the cost center.

								Page 2 of 7
        2. Provide your manager with a detailed listing of all equipment
           that you intend to purchase, (Attachment B).
        
        3. Complete the Used/Idle Computer Equipment Employee Purchase Program 
           Terms and Conditions document, (Attachment A).
	
	4. Provide your manager with a copy of this complete package of
           documents, (Attachment A and B). 

        5. Confirm with your manager that the used/idle computer equipment has 
           met the requirements of this policy.

        6. Agree with your manager on the total fee, based on the price
           listing, refer to "List of Applicable Used/Idle Computer
           Equipment", Reference Documents Section, listed under "VTX Waste".

        7. Obtain the appropriate signatures on the Used/Idle Computer 
           Equipment Purchase Terms and Conditions document, (Attachment A).

     Note: The above employee process should be completed no later than the
           last day worked.

4.2  Cost Center Manager Process

     a. The process to be used by a cost center manager is as follows:

        1. Ensure that the used/idle computer equipment to be purchased by the 
           employee is approved. Refer to the "List of Applicable Used/Idle            
           Computer Equipment", Reference Documents Section, listed under "VTX 
           Waste".

        2. Confirm that the used/idle computer equipment has a zero book value.

        3. Ensure that the used/idle computer equipment is limited to "personal
           use" equipment.

        4. Ensure that the employee is purchasing no more than the
           equivalent of two "personal use" systems.

        5. Ensure that the employee has completed and signed the Used/
           Idle Computer Equipment Employee Program Terms and Conditions 
           (Attachment A).
 
        6. The cost center manager must collect a check for the appropriate
           amount of the transaction, made payable to Digital Equipment 
           Corporation.

        7. Contact the local Finance Resource to ensure that the appropriate
           capital asset write off forms are processed, after the sale
           is complete.

								Page 3 of 7

        8. Forward the funds from the purchase of the used/idle computer
           equipment to "U.S. Cashier, MSO1-1/J29, 111 Powdermill Rd., Maynard,            
	   Ma. 01754-1499, along with a cover memo including:
              
               0 Cost Center Manager's name, telephone number, electronic
                 mail address
               0 Employee name
               0 Check number and amount of check
               0 Cost center and account number to receive credit
 

Section 5: Responsibilities

5.1  Transition Program Managers

     0 Utilize Attachment C
       - Program Name and Dates
       - Any special contact names., etc.

     0 Contact the Corporate Idle Asset Manager (Waste Management) to 
       ensure correctness of available equipment.

5.2  Corporate Idle Asset Manager

     0 Review/update this policy as required. 

     0 Update the list of available equipment based on Pre-Approved
       Disposition Lists, etc. 

5.3  Cost Center Manager
 
     0 Ensure that the requirements of this policy are followed.

5.4  Authorized Employee

     0 Follow the requirements of this policy.


6.0  Attached Documents

     Attachment A: "Digital Equipment Corporation Used/Idle Computer 
                    Equipment Employee Purchase Program Terms and Conditions"

     Attachment B: "Request to Purchase Used/Idle Computer Equipment"

     Attachment C: "Procedure to Sell Used/Idle Computer Equipment
                    to Employees - Transition Programs

     Attachment D: "List of Applicable Used/Idle Computer Equipment"

                                                                  Page 4 of 7
                               ATTACHMENT A                    

   	    							
                       DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION

              USED/IDLE COMPUTER EQUIPMENT EMPLOYEE PURCHASE PROGRAM
  
                           TERMS AND CONDITIONS
   
   
   The following are the terms and conditions under which Digital 
   Equipment Corporation agrees to sell and/or license and you agree to 
   buy and/or license the equipment and software (products) which are the 
   subject of this sales agreement.  This Digital Used Equipment Employee 
   Purchase Program is a service for Digital employees.  Products 
   purchased through this program can only be purchased for Digital 
   employees and their immediate families.  Products cannot be purchased 
   for resale or for individuals or organizations outside of the 
   employee's immediate family.  All shipments must be to the employee's 
   home address.
   
   1.	TAXES
   
	    Prices are exclusive of, and you are responsible for all sales, use 
        and like taxes.
   
   2.	PAYMENT
   
	    Payment may be by personal check (up to $300.00), bank cashier's 
        check, or money order (for amounts over $300.00).  The employee's 
        name must be imprinted on a personal check.  All checks are to be 
        made out to DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION.  The amount of the 
        check must equal the total purchase price of the item being 
        ordered, plus any applicable sales/use taxes.  The employee's 
        badge number should also be written on the check.
   
   3.	EXPORT
   
	    United States export laws prohibit you from either directly or 
        indirectly exporting any product without first obtaining a 
        license from the United States Government.  If you desire to 
        export (move) the products outside the United States, you should 
        contact the manager of Digital's Export Services Group for further 
        information and assistance.
                                     
   4.	LIMITATION OF LIABILITY
   
	    Digital will not be liable in any event for any damages including 
        loss of data, profits or savings, claims against you by any other 
        party of any other incidental or consequential damages arising 
        out of your use of or inability to use the products, even if 
        Digital is advised of the possibility of such damages.
    

 								Page 5 of 7
   5.	INSTALLATION
                                                               
	     Installation of the products is your responsibility.
   
   6.	WARRANTY
    
    A.	WARRANTY EXCLUSIONS
   
	    All products furnished under this agreement are provided "as is". 
        Digital disclaims, without limitation, the warranties of 
        merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose.  In no 
        event will Digital be liable to you for any damages whatsoever, 
        including but not limited to special, indirect or consequential 
        damages.  This limitation is, however, without prejudice to 
        claims by you for personal injury suffered by you.
   
    B.	APPLICATION SOFTWARE
   
	    No provisions have been made to license any third party 
        application software previously residing on used equipment.  All 
        third party application software has been deleted from the system 
        as certified by a Digital Customer Services Representative in 
        accordance with the Employee Used Equipment Sale Policy.
   
    C. 	LIMITATIONS
   
	    These warranty exclusions and this exclusion of any implied 
        warranties, including warranties of merchantability and fitness 
        for a particular purpose are made part of this agreement because 
        the products being sold are products which have been used 
        extensively by Digital internally.
   
   7.	SOFTWARE PRODUCT LICENSE
   
	    All Digital Software residing on Used Equipment at the time of 
        sale is furnished under the following terms and conditions:
   
    a.	All Digital software residing on the used equipment at 
        the time of sale is licensed to you for your personal use and may 
        not be transferred;
   
    b.	The software and any part thereof may be used on only the 
        single personal computer in which the software was installed at 
        the time of purchase and may be copied in whole or in part (with 
        the proper inclusion of the DIGITAL copywrite notice and any 
        DIGITAL proprietary notices on the software) only for use on such 
        personal computer;
   
    c.	In the event that an equipment malfunction occurs in the 
        above single personal computer causing the software to become 
        inoperable on such single personal computer, the software (or a 
        copy thereof) may be used on another single personal computer on 
        a temporary basis during such malfunction;

								Page 6 of 7
   
    d.	You shall not provide or otherwise make available the 
        software or any part of copies thereof in any form to any third 
        party except for authorized use of your personal computer;
                                                                 
    e.	No title to or ownership of the software or any parts 
        thereof is transferred to you;
   
    f.	Digital shall have the right to terminate any software 
        license granted under this agreement if you fail to comply with 
        these license terms and conditions.  You agree, upon notice of 
        such termination, to immediately destroy the software provided 
        under such terminated license and all portions and copies 
        thereof.
   
   DIGITAL AND PURCHASER ACKNOWLEDGE THAT EACH HAS READ AND UNDERSTANDS 
   THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED IN THIS SALE CONTRACT.  BOTH 
   DIGITAL AND PURCHASER FURTHER AGREE THAT THIS SALE CONTRACT 
   CONSTITUTES THE ENTIRE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE PARTIES AND THAT BOTH 
   AGREE TO BE BOUND BY ALL TERMS AND CONDITIONS CONTAINED HEREIN.  NO 
   DEVIATION FROM THIS SALE CONTRACT SHALL BE BINDING UNLESS IN WRITING 
   AND SIGNED BY THE PARTY AGAINST WHOM THE DEVIATION IS SOUGHT TO BE 
   ENFORCED.
   
   THE ITEMS ON THE ATTACHED WORKSHEET ARE COVERED BY THIS AGREEMENT:
   
   
   ___________________________DT:_____ 	________________________DT:____
    (PURCHASER SIGNATURE)	    	DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION
    	    				(AUTHORIZED SIGNATURE)
   

   ___________________________		___________________________
   (PURCHASER NAME-PRINTED)	    	(DIGITAL ADDRESS)
   

   ___________________________		___________________________
   (PURCHASER ADDRESS)
   
   ___________________________

                                                                 Page 7 of 7


                             ATTACHMENT B

               REQUEST TO PURCHASE USED/IDLE COMPUTER EQUIPMENT


                               WORKSHEET


Employee Name: ________________________		Cost Center: ______________    
            

Cost Center Manager: _________________  Badge #: _________ Loc: ___________

Equipment Description        Fee          Serial #         Asset Tag #

1. __________________     __________      _________        ___________

2. __________________     __________      _________        ___________

3. __________________     __________      _________        ___________

4. __________________     __________      _________        ___________

5. __________________     __________      _________        ___________

6. __________________     __________      _________        ___________

7. __________________     __________      __________       ____________

8. __________________     __________      __________       ____________

FINANCE VERIFICATION: 
Equipment is eligible and at $0 book value. ________________ ___/___/____           

						        Finance 	Date



- Check Amount:$_______.___ Check Date:___/___/____ Check Number:________  

                                                                Page 1 of 1

                            ATTACHMENT C

                       (Insert Program Name)

             PROCEDURE TO SELL USED/IDLE COMPUTER EQUIPMENT
                   TO EMPLOYEES - TRANSITION PROGRAMS

Eligible employees under this program will be provided an opportunity
to purchase equipment for their use under the following conditions:

    1.  Equipment must have a zero book value.
    2.  Equipment is limited to "personal use" equipment.
    3.  Employees may purchase no more than two "personal use"
        systems.
    4.  Employees must sign and agree to the attached Used Equipment 
        Employee Purchase Program Terms and Conditions.
    5.  All 3rd party software must be removed by a Digital Service
        Representative to comply with existing license agreements.
    6.  The purchase fee is to reimburse Digital for administrative
        and Digital Service expenses.

    
							Page 1 of 1
							Revised
                            ATTACHMENT D		October 1992 
    	    							

              LIST OF APPLICABLE USED/IDLE COMPUTER EQUIPMENT 

                              SERP & TFSO



    CATEGORY/ITEM				    FEE

    Personal Computers				$100.00 each 
     - Rainbows
     - DECmate I, II & III
     - PRO's 350&380
     - VAXmate PC500
     - DECstation (2XX Series)

     - DECstation (316 Series)			$250.00

    Printers:					$75.00 each
     - LA50
     - LA75
     - LA100
     - LN03 (older version; not + or R)
     - LVP16 Plotter

    Modems - Older of series			50.00 each


    Terminals:					50.00 each
     - VT1XX
     - VT2XX


    Terminal/printer stands sold with items:	$10.00

    LIMIT:  2 units per category; Personal Computers/Printers, Modems; 
            Terminals

	
  * Exceptions to this list require the written approval of the 
    Vice-President for the cost center.








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DAVE LANDRY @MSO,
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3099.8get versatilitySWAM2::ROGERS_DAfeeling _so_ SCSIFri May 27 1994 00:2018
    re: .0, .1, et al
    Windows?  A perfectly good word processor is available that will
    run on a low end XT which can be had "new" (probably reconditioned, 
    or surplus warehouse stock) for about $300 plus a $75 monochrom
    monitor.  Why buy a used DECmate at any price when the same 
    functionality is available on an IBM compatible?  Unless you buy two, 
    one for spare parts, if the DECmate breaks, repairs will cost more 
    than the whole new clone.  Clone parts are dirt cheap and available
    from a multitude of sources.  
    WPS-PC is a WPS-8 clone, developed by Exceptional Business Solutions,
    which runs on MS-DOS.  At $275 it's at the upper end of the WP range,
    but has the familiar GOLD key feel, and a few enhancements (though
    I do miss column cut and paste.)
    
    std disclaimer: i have no connection with EBS, except as a satisfied
    customer.
    [dale]