Conference 7.286::digital

    
    
    Re: .0
    
    Try being a UNIX consultant responsible to demonstrate and DELIVER 
    solutions at $132/hour and NOT have a system on which to increase
    or even maintain one's skills...?!?!
    
    I share your pain..!!!  :-)
    

    Everyone can afford to be a Unix Consultant... At $29.99
    Per CDrom... BTW This is what OSF/1 and OpenVMS and WNT 
    are competing against...
    
     ;-)
    
    
    All this for $29.99
    
	TCP/IP, SLIP Networking
	C and C++ Compilers and other development tools
	Various Language Translators
	UUCP and Usenet Software
	Several popular editors including GNU Emacs.
	X Windows system.
	DOS Emulator
    
    Price is still good I just got my CDrom yesterday... now I have to 
    scare up a PC with a CDrom to load it...;-(
    
    
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From: linux@ditdah.Morse.Net
Subject:Linux on CDROM or Disk, $29.99: *Only 7 days left*
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 01:33:53 GMT
Message-ID:<1993Dec20.013353.879@ditdah.Morse.Net>

  Due to the overwhelmingly postive response this offer generated, we have
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  Seasons Greetings from Morse Telecom.

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    OR being in a CSC where we don't have enough disk space to install the
    products that we have accepted maintenance contracts on...
    
    It's hard enough talking people through things, but when you can mimic
    it at your own end, tyhen you are in trouble...
    
    q
    

    Or being a Multivendor Customer Services Software Support Specialist 
    who has to solve printing problems from WordPerfect / ALL-IN-1 integration
    to a Brother Laserjet running in HP emulation mode when connected
    to a DS90TL. Non of the HW/SW even available. No WordPerfect
    documentation. Nothing. Digital offered this customer full support
    but his configuration never worked since installed a couple
    of month ago. I don't minded, good for my
    personal development, and when I complain to much, I am
    not flexible enough. But is this how MCS can compete against
    other in Multivendor support. Can / should we invest in all
    products we are suppose to support ? 
    
    Regards,
    
    Jan
    
    

    RE. 1
    
    I checked.  Go to your logistics an order a TLZ06-AA, 4GB 4MM DAT Drive
    3.5 EMB, $625.  Stockroom 17 in Andover has 50 on hand.  They are on
    the Restricted item list but that shouldn't stop you from getting one.
    
    I do understand your plight - I work in logistics and sometimes I'm
    asked to do the impossible.
    
    Keep the faith
    Pat

    
    Got one.  Ridiculous part was that I had to log a call to get logistics 
    to release the part.  I just got off the phone with the FE who was
    assigned to the call and told him I'd do the installation.
    
    Imagine what it would cost DEC if I were one of those "hardware impared"
    sales support types!
    
    Have groundstrap, will travel.
    
    RE:linux
    
    Not a solution.  Try demonstrating Objectbroker of CohesionWORX on
    Linux.  Actually, try demonstrating them on my DECstation 3100 w/ 16MB
    and RZ55!!
    
    -Ed
    

    As far as I can understand, what we are experiencing here is what I
    have called the "cost for the sake of cost syndrome".
    
    'We have to be cheaper than the competition, so do not purchase
     pens, pencils, computer upgrades, software, etc........'
    
    That has been proven time and again is not the answer.   In fact it
    will turn your company obsolete (don't have access to new trends/
    technology or consumer changing needs).    However for a reason that
    I particularly don't understand we keep on doing it.   
    
    I can agree that it is a cost concious customer that we have out there.
    However, I've seen customers pay a little more for quality, services,
    and other longer term items.   The price tag is important but it is not
    the sole decision making point.    In computers there items like:
    service, upgradeability, quality/reliability,software
    supported,supported options,ease of use,knowlegeable personnel when
    help is requested, speed of the service (quality also) that are
    considered when purchasing several computers.

    I'm a Network Integration Services project manager who performs a great
    deal of work in the field on customer sites.  It took me three years of
    begging, pleading, whining, and cajoling to obtain a laptop.  Beginning
    in FY94 my group was realigned under the PSC's and I obtained a new
    manager who promised me he would obtain a laptop for me.  To his credit
    he made good on his promise.  However, the only way he could do so was
    by giving me his laptop.  He figured I needed it more than he did and
    for this I was most grateful.  Now I would like to obtain a Xircom
    Ethernet adapter card to perform testing on customer sites and to have
    a network connection while I am in the office.  You would think that
    being in the networks business it would be fairly easy to obtain one of
    these animals. Think again...  
    I've been with Digital ten years and it seems we have never been able
    to obtain the tools we need to do our jobs.  Maybe I should just be
    thankful that this shoemaker's child now has one shoe.
    
    
    ed

    
    Got news for people with resource availability problems  :
    
    I work for Digital India - with DEC into Alpha/OSF already -
    we're still struggling to get a look at Alpha machines - my Training 
    Curriculum included Alpha course delivery even before I'd seen
    one live - now can you match that ? 
    
    
                      

A guy from Belgium came up to me tonight at Network Academy as I was sitting 
there using my 425SLC notebook stating that he has a old Compaq portable and 
that they can't get any Digital notebooks in his local office. And they are 
available for sale to his customers. What's wrong with that picture?

Jim

                      

re .-1

I have understood, that that's a common practise in Digital in many European 
countries.Outdated equipment is dumped to employees (often with a reasonable 
price), but very few countries allow you to buy latest models with any kind of 
discount.

I don't understand that. 
	-Digital looses the (not necessarily very profitable) revenue of 
	 purchases of typically higher than average price PCs.
	-Comptetitors' marketshare is increased with the purchase
	-Digital looses the marketing value of employees as owners of DECpcs
	-Digital looses the value of employees learning about features and
	 options of our own products. Many of us learn better if there is 
	 some specific need to learn

And most important, almost all manufacturers do give discounts for their own
employees for the purchase of their own brand. Even car manufacturers do that
and that's a lot more money than a PC price.

Somebody could try to count, how much lost business current practise means. 
I personally purchased one '386 PC from Digital Finland in -90. That was at that
time an up to date model. I purchased also a '486 50 Mhz PC from outside Digital in early 
-93. Digital France didn't want to sell me a '486 model, so I had to go outside. 
Now my husband wants to buy a laptop. I'm supposed to spend some time to find out,
the best place to purchase that. I would rather save some time and just buy it
from Digital, but..... 

I bet that there are plenty of similar stories. 

    Common practice in European countries?  I had an old Compaq portable 
    up until about three months ago and the only reason I got the 320p I
    now have is because the previous owner was TFSO'd
    
    It's kind of sickening to obtain equipment when from your co-workers as
    they are walking out the door...