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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
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2729.0. "Client-Server success stories" by VULCN1::BROOKS (Dick Brooks) Wed Oct 20 1993 15:18

        Yesterday I received the latest copy of Information Week magazine (
        dated October 18, 1993). On page 28, under the Indusrty Watch
        section, there is an article called  Systems Integration - Land of
        the Giants. The caption reads: "If you're moving to client-server,
        odds are you'll be shepherded by a big integrator".

        The story mentions Digital and other integrators along with some
        key customers with successful implementations of client-server
        solutions. Two accounts were identified as client-server success
        stories for Digital: Apple Computer and ALABAMA POWER COMPANY.
        The data which identified these client-server success stories was
        provided by Gartner Group, an objective third party.

        This was especially rewarding for me, as I have worked for the past
        three years as an Integration Consultant to Alabama Power Company
        and have assisted in their transition to client-server computing.
        Having your account identified as one of two client-server
        success stories by a highly regarded Industry Consultant like Gartner
        Group makes all the effort worthwhile.

	I would like to recommend that we use this topic to share other 
	client-server success stories. I think it would be interesting and valuable to 
	hear what others are doing in their accounts to implement 
	client-server solutions.


(CROSS POSTED IN CLIENT-SERVER NOTES CONFERENCE)
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2729.1do we use what we try to sell?CSOADM::ROTHHey, this toothpaste tastes like GLUE!!Wed Oct 20 1993 15:255
What business-dependant applications (internal to Digital) do we have
that use 'client-server' methodology?

Lee
2729.2re:.1 - BAH-hah-hah-hah! Stop it! You're killin' me!SWAM2::MCCARTHY_LAThe World's (2nd) Fastest PC!Wed Oct 20 1993 17:260
2729.3Yes, and we have stuff to sellTLE::JBISHOPWed Oct 20 1993 18:3721
2729.4Success is not a product . . .RG500::CROWTHERMaxine 276-8226Wed Oct 20 1993 19:333
Success is stories of our customers being successful using what we have to
provide.  Success is not a list of products which may or may not be what our
customers need,
2729.5Success should be measured by benefits received.VULCN1::BROOKSDick BrooksThu Oct 21 1993 14:0118
	I'll expound even further on .4 and say that success in client-server is when
	the customer experiences real benefits directly attributed to a client-server 
	implementation.

	 In the case of Alabama Power the benefits were seen in real dollar savings 
	by the customer. These savings were realized when end user 3270 terminal 
	connect charges were significantly reduced through a client-server solution.
	We effectively turned the IBM mainframe into a data server (both read and 
	write) and offloaded all presentation functions to other platforms 
	(PC, MAC, workstation, VT). This resulted in direct bottom-line savings because
	the end users were being charged on a per connection basis. So what used to 
	require 70, 3270 connections, is now being accomplished with an application 
	server using 1 connection to the IBM mainframe. A total savings of 69 
	connection charges per month. 

	There are other examples of how the customers benefit from implementing 
	client-server solutions. 

2729.6PLAYER::BROWNLGood girls go to heaven...Thu Oct 21 1993 14:4524
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               <<< Note 2729.5 by VULCN1::BROOKS "Dick Brooks" >>>
             -< Success should be measured by benefits received. >-

    I'll expound even further on .4 and say that success in client-server
    is when the customer experiences real benefits directly attributed to a
    client-server implementation.

    In the case of Alabama Power the benefits were seen in real dollar
    savings  by the customer. These savings were realized when end user
    3270 terminal  connect charges were significantly reduced through a
    client-server solution. We effectively turned the IBM mainframe into a
    data server (both read and  write) and offloaded all presentation
    functions to other platforms  (PC, MAC, workstation, VT). This resulted
    in direct bottom-line savings because the end users were being charged
    on a per connection basis. So what used to  require 70, 3270
    connections, is now being accomplished with an application  server
    using 1 connection to the IBM mainframe. A total savings of 69 
    connection charges per month. 

    There are other examples of how the customers benefit from implementing 
    client-server solutions. 
2729.7Internal site using C?GRANMA::NSTENGELThu Oct 21 1993 18:1012
    re:1 & 2 
    When you folks have finished bashing our internal systems, I'd check
    out the folks back in Hudson designing the client server architechture
    that will be running FAB 6.  I know from my former participation on one
    component of the project that we are collaborating with others
    including SEMATECH member companies to improve the robustness of a
    legacy application server that uses DMQ and AXP servers to tie new and
    old applications together.  Now the trick is to keep the Digital 
    Consultants that work on a successful implementation from jumping ship
    to assist the other member companies in making 2nd, 3rd generation 
    implementations better!!! Now that is a challenge!
     
2729.8CSOADM::ROTHHey, this toothpaste tastes like GLUE!!Thu Oct 21 1993 18:156
Re: .7

My question in .1 is a legitimate question that could be asked by a
customer... would you scold a customer that made such a query?

Lee
2729.9IPMT maybe?IOSG::BILSBOROUGHSWBFSThu Oct 21 1993 18:518
    
    re:-1
    
    IPMT, does that count.
    
    Client-server when there is only one server cluster. mmmm....
    
    Mike
2729.10!PFSVAX::MCELWEEOpponent of OppressionFri Oct 22 1993 03:399
    Re: .9-
    
    >IPMT, does that count.
    
    >Client-server when there is only one server cluster. mmmm....
    
    	Kinda like a one member disk shadow set, no?
    
    Phil
2729.11ELWOOD::LANEGood:Fast:Cheap: pick twoFri Oct 22 1993 10:066
|IPMT, does that count.

Please.

If you're holding this up as an example of client/server, we're in deep
sneakers.
2729.12DECRAL::SUTTONDEC RALLY does Windows!Fri Oct 22 1993 15:235
    Another example of an external success story -- NASA (Kennedy Space
    Center) is putting into place an application which does management of
    the space shuttle payloads, using Rdb and RALLY.  The client side is
    RALLY running on MS-DOS, using TCP/IP as a transport for SQL/Services
    communication with the database on the VMS server(s).
2729.13UNIX CS (non-DCE)DECWET::PENNEYJohnny's World!Fri Oct 22 1993 15:595
    First Data Corporation in N. Carolina is using the Tuxedo OLTP product
    on Ultrix and OSF to develop helath care management apps supporting
    PC client access to Sybase DB servers.
    
    Contact Jim McCauley, sale rep, for details.
2729.14Client/Server DEC-Customer PartnershipDELNI::SWOODMon Oct 25 1993 16:25306
		Client/Server DEC-Customer Partnership

This is an ASCII copy of the Partnering paper which was distributed to Digital 
VPs during their visit to Iowa State University. This describes an ISU/DEC 
long-term partnership that emphasizes client/server computing. 

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Achieving Excellence Through Partnering		    Iowa State University 



Iowa State University and Digital Equipment:
Achieving Excellence Through Partnering


Background on Iowa State University

Iowa State University of Science and Technology has developed from a
land-grant college into a national university of science and technology.
From its origins, Iowa State is committed to providing the benefits of
research and education to its students, the citizenry of the state, and
to the national science and technology communities.

Computing as we know it was given shape by the digital electronic
computer, a device invented at Iowa State in the late 1930s by John
Vincent Atanasoff.  With the help of Clifford E. Berry, his graduate
student, he constructed a prototype that embodied the basic electronic
computer concepts to which all modern computers can trace their lineage.
Computing has changed much since then, but Iowa State today has as much
pride in its world-class computing resources as when claiming
Atanasoff's significant role in ISU's and computing's history.

The Iowa State motto of Science with Practice advocates the use of
technologies to be transferred, and even more so, advocates
participation in their development.  This is particularly true in
computing.  As computing has grown to be one of the dominant technical
forces of this century, it has moved from the single machine of its
origin to the networked distributed computing system as exemplified by
DECathena and Project Vincent today.  While diverse computing
alternatives will exist, it is networked distributing computing which
will provide Iowa State's computing for the 1990s and the enabling
technology for the university of the 21st century.


Alliances with Partners

Iowa State's goal of being a world-class university in the 21st century
requires that it form alliances with industrial partners.

Digital's relationship began in Iowa State University's early computing days
with the placement of PDP computers on the campus.  As Iowa State
looked to the replacement of several of the PDP line of computers to expand
its computing options, Digital had moved from the minicomputer to the
mainframe arena.  In 1978, ISU acquired a VAX mainframe (11/780), the third
one to be manufactured, which joined its IBM and ITEL mainframes.  

From the base of a mainframe environment with an extremely strong
networking ability, Digital evolved to a distributed computing model.
And so, as Iowa State was evaluating its transition from a centralized
computing model to a distributed computing environment, Digital was
again able to set the stage for this evolution via the Athena
technology.

The relationship between Digital and Iowa State had been further
fostered when in 1983, ISU undertook a Lighthouse program in conjunction
with Digital.  ISU participated in testing and refining the Courseware
Authoring System and, as a result, developed courseware assisted by a
$1.3 million equipment grant from Digital.  Consistent with Digital's
strong commitment to education, the scope of ISU's activities and volume
of products led Digital to support a Clearinghouse for Academic Software
which was housed at ISU.  A major Digital grant to ISU in 1988 yielded
the development of an object-oriented system for the development and
delivery of software under Digital sponsorship.

As Athena technology emerged from its early development, Digital was
looking for a partner to provide realistic product development.
Following from their history, it was a natural progression for Digital
to consider an alliance with ISU.  To achieve the goal of improving
computing resources, ISU had made a decision to acquire high-end
workstations.  As Iowa State was exploring ways to provide management
for a large number of workstations in what was to become Project
Vincent, in the competitive environment, a continuing partnership with
Digital again promised many beneficial aspects.


New Directions

Through the provision of specialized computing equipment and network
access, ISU sought to enhance its creative teaching and research
environment by making accessible the high-level computing resources
required for many instructional and research methodologies and for
competition for research grants.  The goals were to extend computing
capacities in an open systems architecture utilizing UNIX in conjunction
with providing various facilities, services, and applications to the end
user.  A distributed system would enable expansion without the financial
challenge of adding personnel.  The client/server concept was adopted as
an available and emerging technology providing a unified distributed
system with an ubiquitous network.

In the process of evolution, it was necessary to rethink and re-engineer
the centralized computer machine room practice to achieve a new paradigm
with improvements in cost, quality, service, and speed.  The end result
was to re-invent computing to provide an environment with distributed
control and centralized, cost-effective management.

The first phase in developing Iowa State's current networked distributed
computing system saw Iowa State porting Project Athena to its campus to
run on DECstations.  This project, named Project Vincent to honor John
Vincent Atanasoff, today provides both the distributed power in
computation and visualization required for research and development as
well as the network services crucial for prudent management, timely
support, and distributed community services.


Partnership Results:  Project Vincent

Iowa State drew on its considerable resources and background in
providing production-level service from a centralized point to meet its
goal of providing facilities and services to its distributed
constituencies.  Highlights of the results are presented following:

1990 -- The Athena technology was ported from MIT in its then current
form.  Several extensions to Athena were developed in adapting the
system to the production environment at ISU.  The close collaboration
between ISU and Digital engineers resulted in accomplishing this major
porting effort (and the deployments) within six months.  Short course
material and an integrated user's guide were developed.  An FDDI
Backbone was installed to augment the campus network.  Three hundred
DECstations were acquired and deployed in 26 buildings including every
college of the university.  This initial deployment was focused to the
research and development areas of the university.  At the end of 1990,
there were approximately 2,000 registered user-ids.

1991 -- Locally developed distributed printing was fully deployed and
the campus network was upgraded to a routed sub-netted network.  The AFS
file system was obtained and integrated into Project Vincent.
Undergraduate students were provided access to Project Vincent.  Efforts
begun in late 1990 to provide local administrative control for
departments over their workstations and printers were extended.
Development of tools and procedures for the kahuna (i.e., workgroup
administrator) concept was continued.  An additional 200 DECstations
were acquired and deployed in research areas and teaching laboratories,
bring the total number of workstations to 500.  At the end of 1991,
there were approximately 5,000 registered user-ids.

1992 -- Further development occurred in the kahuna concept.
Significant expansion occurred in software offerings and in use of
license servers.  Specialty workstation clients were developed for use
by the instructional and research communities.  The provision of
binaries was moved from NFS to AFS file servers for effectiveness.  Use
of Project Vincent for formal classwork began.  An easy-to-use
information access tool called EasyVincent was developed.  An additional
150 DECstations were acquired and deployed in research areas and
teaching laboratories.  Approximately 100 of the initial DECstations
were upgraded to higher performance systems.  At the end of 1992, there
were more than 8,000 registered user-ids.

Early 1993 -- An effort begun in late 1992 to place the file servers
directly on the FDDI backbone was completed and the FDDI backbone was
restructured.  Server functions were redistributed to specialty servers
for system efficiency.  The base code for Project Vincent was
transitioned from the MIT source to the DECathena source version 1.1.
The production system now includes more than 650 workstations.  Of
these, approximately 30 are servers and the rest are client
workstations.  This distributed computing system is located in more than
350 rooms in more than 40 buildings on the ISU campus using a dual-ring
FDDI backbone with extensive Ethernet connections.  There are currently
more than 12,000 registered users.  Over 5,000 users have attended short
courses.  A typical day supports 5,000 discrete sessions with peaks
nearing 7,000 sessions.

1993-94 Development -- Three major areas of development are the use of
Alpha workstations; the incorporation of system performance and
accountability functions; and the incorporation of NT technology.  The
incorporation of NT will extend DECathena services to PC and Macintosh
users in a familiar environment.  System performance and accountability
functions are facilitated by the client/server architecture of
DECathena.  Development work with Alpha workstations requires OSF/1
which is introduced in DECathena 1.2.


Benefits for Iowa State from Digital's involvement are:

Achieve goal of providing a computing environment to the overall campus
community that allowed ISU to improve its science and technology
capabilities.

Digital and its business partners deliver the power to use effective
integrated solutions in open information environments.  Digital offered
the best price/performance in their workstations and DECathena offered
support for a multi-vendor environment.

Digital has access to the computing industry as a whole, and to the
standards process in particular, which assisted Iowa State in its desire
to generate solutions within standards.

As Iowa State completes the conversion to DECathena, we move toward a
supported base platform for Project Vincent.  In turn, we are able to
continue research and development on a supported product and to share
enhancements with Digital.

Iowa State utilized Digital's significant engineering resources and
talent for consultation and collaboration in developing the class of
distributed computing network it requires.  Such resources included
concept meetings with DECathena engineers to the mutual benefit of each
partner.

Digital provided resources to Iowa State, both material and human, which
has significantly accelerated the pace of Iowa State's effort.  For
example, Digital supplied considerable technical knowledge and support
with Motif, the window manager, during critical development phases of
Project Vincent.

Because Iowa State received access to information on internal systems
modules of Athena as well as staff support, the design, development, and
implementation process was speeded up and more productive than it would
have been without such essential information.


Benefits for Digital from Iowa State's involvement are:

Project Athena has been adapted in a workable environment for research
and development computing beyond the academic environment, enabling
Digital to realize a continuation of their effort in distributed
computing.

As a customer, Iowa State has showcased a comprehensive wide-area
networked distributed computing solution using UNIX workstations as
the underlying engines and firmly based on industry open standards.

Iowa State has successfully and rapidly ported Athena into a different
and complex environment.  Due to ISU's extension of several system
facilities and the wide variety of workstation users throughout the
campus, ISU has been able to suggest and implement software enhancements
to the DECathena software environment.

Iowa State offers a test bed for the practical application and testing
of scalability and functionality concepts.  Iowa State can provide test
beds for subsequent development of distributed services and applications
as well as the dissemination of these to the customers.

As a large-scale site utilizing DECathena, Iowa State has hosted several
of Digital's customers and potential customers who have visited the
campus to see the client/server concept exemplified in a production
environment.

As a result of the experience learned by both Digital and ISU, Digital
is able to provide expertise to commercial customers on the process of
moving from a centralized timesharing computing environment to a
distributed computing environment with a new machine room concept.
This issue of downsizing is of particular importance to the commercial
and educational community today.

Iowa State has the resources in its Computation Center, Engineering
College, and other research areas to perform the applied research and
product development of system and application software.

Iowa State has the leadership and commitment at the university
administrative level to allocate and use necessary resources to achieve
the vision of providing leadership in science and technology.

Iowa State has a history in computing efforts from the birthplace of the
digital computer; on to application efforts such as the Statistical
Laboratory; through early use of VAX technology; to its intensive use of
the Distributed Computing Environment today; and will continue to
explore and utilize progressive, innovative computing resources.


Iowa State and Digital in a Shared Vision

In April of 1990, Digital and Iowa State University collaborated to
establish the first-in-the-nation, distributed computing network geared
toward advancing university research.  Digital's path in developing its
distributed computing infrastructure is the same path Iowa State must
take; Iowa State is committed to this development for its own use and
long-term growth.  In sharing their vision, the Iowa State
University/Digital Equipment Corporation working partnership which
developed is a win-win situation for both parties.

The major result is the development in product form of a distributed
computing network.  This provides the user at a workstation with a
cornucopia of computing services and applications, all seemingly at the
workstation in a familiar environment.  The distributed system, through
its wide-area network, provides the facilities and the services of the
enterprise to its most remote clients.

Both Iowa State and Digital are committed to distributed computing.  By
utilizing DECathena in addition to other open standards, both are able
to achieve cost-effective management tools empowering end users.
Digital and Iowa State are both committed to computing technology in
whatever form it may take in the future, building on their success in
devising and developing key aspects of the computing environment.

Digital and Iowa State have partnered to transform their shared vision
into the distributed computing environment.  As the future brings new
developments and opportunities such as NT and DME, the shared vision
will continue to provide the opportunity for Digital and Iowa State to
collaborate.




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2729.15Success story with DCESNOOPY::SCHIMPFBrian Schimpf - TUXEDO::SCHIMPFTue Oct 26 1993 17:2222
	Before I provide any information here I need to make it clear that I am
writing this to an internal Digital audience for your information only.  This
customer has given no permission to be used as a reference site and the
customer's name should not be used outside of Digital without their permission.

	We have been working with York University in North York, Ontario.  They 
have had a project plan in place since September of 1991 which incorporates the 
use of DCE.  They are currently in the process of using DCE both for development
of new applications as well as modifying some selected legacy applications to 
use DCE.  These applications are in such areas as enrollment, space and classroom
allocation, grading, and degree auditing processes.  They are using DCE today in
an operational environment although it is not yet complete, i.e., they have some
of what they envision running but not everything.  They are using OSF/1 and 
OpenVMS platforms from Digital - I'm not sure what other platforms they are 
using.

P.S. For those unfamiliar with the acronym, DCE is the Distributed Computing
Environment which is an offering from OSF.  It is a set of tools and services
that make it easy to develop and deploy distributed client/server applications
in a heterogeneous computing environment.

Brian
2729.1642721::BOARDS_WFri Oct 29 1993 12:406
    Please could someone provide me with a pointer to the client/server
    notes conference ?
    
    Thanks !
    
    Wendy
2729.17DECEAT::CLIENT_SERVERCVG::THOMPSONWho will rid me of this meddlesome priest?Fri Oct 29 1993 12:586
    This is from ANCHOR::NET$LIBRARY:EASYNOTES.LIS which alas is not longer
    being maintained.
    
Client-Server Computing         DECEAT::CLIENT_SERVER                       2896
    
    			Alfred
2729.18PLAYER::BROWNLThe Becket Effect... yes...Fri Oct 29 1993 13:028
2729.19RANGER::BACKSTROMbwk,pjp;SwTools;pg2;lines23-24Fri Oct 29 1993 13:147
>    This is a joke, right?

    Tom Pfau's left and nobody (including me) took over. See topic 2
    in TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES.
    
    ...petri
    
2729.2042721::BOARDS_WFri Oct 29 1993 14:094
    Many thanks,
    
    Wendy
    
2729.21GLDOA::ROGERSI'm the NRAMon Nov 01 1993 01:045
    Yes, that is true.  Everyone must help.  When you get the conference
    let the moderator know and ask him to update for his conference.  Easy
    to do and will help/