Conference 7.286::digital

    It has happened to me twice.  Once in July and last week.  It appears
    to happen when I take a less than a full week vacation and they somehow
    just enter the hours I took as vacation as the total hours for that
    week.

                -< Mee too >-
    
    I had a similar problem. I submitted a time card for a vacation day
    and somehow my time was taken out as a sick day. Since my vacation
    was peaking and the time wasnt takne out from it, I started to lose
    additional vacation accumulation. I sent this note to the payroll
    node and got the standard reply that it will be looked into. The
    problem was fixed but I wasnt credited for lost vacation accrual
    time. I sent another note saying this wasnt my fault and so I
    should be credited the time due me. The response was that they
    "undestand" the problem but cant fix backdated vacation time. No
    further action was taken and nothing was done.
    
    Another instance. I wanted to use payee phone system to change my
    direct deposit. I could not access it since I didnt have the password
    (which I never did get). I had to request the password which takes
    about 3 weeks to get. I asked if I can somehow get my password sooner
    over the phone (or somehow after my ID was confirmed). Again I got
    the standard answer. Once I got the password, i now have to wait
    another 3 weeks for the change to take place. 
    
    I thought this sort of inefficiency happens only in government
    institutions....was I wrong! If they treat employees this way,
    I wonder what our customers must be going thru!
    
    -Atul

    I had problems recently too, when the people who processed our local
    payroll changed, so an "error" that was overlooked before, was no
    longer overlooked, resulting in incorrect pay amounts.  I was not
    notified; I just didn't get the correct pay amt.
    
    I sent Mail to the PAY_QUESTION people ... they replied that they had
    my time card, and it was incorrect in such-n-such way, so I should
    submit a new one.  I asked whether they were going to notify me or if
    I'd simply not get the correct pay.
    
    They replied that they are not able to notify all employess who submit
    incorrect time cards, so they don't notify anyone.
    
    That's real nice, huh?!
    
    	Jim

    Re .0:
    
    Call up your state's Department of Employment/Labor and ask about
    regulations and penalties about timely payment of wages.  Ask them how
    to pursue a complaint.
    
    
    				-- edp
    
    
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    >>Note 2696.4            Payroll: errors and accountabilty?               
    >>4 of 4
    >>RUSURE::EDP "Always mount a scratch monkey."         12 lines  
    >>1-OCT-1993 15:39
    
    >>    Re .0:
    
    >>    Call up your state's Department of Employment/Labor and ask about
    >>    regulations and penalties about timely payment of wages.  Ask them
    >>    how
    >>    to pursue a complaint.
    
    
    >>                                -- edp
    
    
    
    Spoken like a true Libertarian.
    
    Chet

    Re .5:
    
    The libertarian view of the matter is this:
    
    The employee performed work for Digital.  Digital has an obligation to
    pay for that work promptly.  That's part of the contract between the
    employee and the employer.  Digital breached that contract.  Digital
    breached that contract repeatedly.  It is completely proper and
    ethical to hold Digital accountable for that breach.
    
    
    				-- edp
    
    
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	BTW, If you're in Massachusetts call the Attorney General's office.
The Mass. Legislature just dismantled the Department of Labor & Industries 
and made the AG reponsible for enforcing wage laws.

In the 6+ years I've worked for Digital, I've never had an incorrect paycheck,
except for the Fleet Plan B screw-up recently.

That's a pretty good record in my book.

Bob

    	Well, I've received several MAILs from persons who wish to remain
    anonymous with much worse problems since posting the base note. Also, 
    an invitation to call someone (apparently) in payroll to discuss things. 
    I'm debating if returning this call would provide real answers since:
    
    	The other MAILs were related to the "there's no way to correct the
    past error; esp. if _TAXES_ are involved" tune. (All face Washington
    D.C. and grovel to the almighty IRS...) 
    
    	Re: EDP & Libertarian slam- I fully support the attitude and spirit
    of the Libertarian viewpoint. Digital preaches accountabilty and
    responsibility but often practices them only to its advantage, esp. if 
    a clash with the g'ummint is probable, IMO.
    
    Phil

    Two weeks ago I was out sick with that *&^% gastro-intestinal flu for
    an entire work week, i.e. (5) days.  I put a timecard in for 40 hours
    of sick time, and went into cardiac arrest when my paycheque came in at
    $62.00 less take home than normal.  It seems that they cleaned out my
    VACATION time, at around 31.some-odd hours, rather than paying me the
    40 hours sick time.  I got Personnel pronto to help me through this... 
    I was told I will receive two paycheques this week, one for the normal
    amount, and one for the amount they did not pay me last week.  In
    theory, it should NOT affect me negatively tax-wise, and after reading
    this string, I intend to scrutinize the giving back and subsequent
    correct accrual of my vacation time VERY CAREFULLY!  One supervisor
    from SHR did ring me up, and ask for the "batch" number my timecard was
    in, which I could not furnish, but did refer her to the people at PKO I
    worked with, so that she "could talk with the person who performed the
    errant data entry"...
    
    Bottom line, my mortgage goes out late, and I'm a hurting puppy, 'cause
    like so many of the rank-and-file, I am literally surviving from
    paycheque to paycheque.
    
    Am waiting to see the correct adjustments in this week's pay...
    
    In all fairness, I think this is the first time in 6 years that I have
    had a payroll problem...  if memory serves me correctly...
    
    /mms

    One problem but it was due to someone submitting a hand-printed copy
    while I was on vacation. The only other problem is I think payroll has
    been underpaying me approximately $3,800 per week. Now all I have to
    do is convince them.

    You too?  I thought I was the only one. 8:)

    	The problem mentioned in the base Note has been identified as an
    error in submission from the Field, not a Payroll error. I appologize if I 
    was considered overly critical of Payroll by presuming the error was 
    theirs, however tracking down the facts wasted several labor hours for
    all concerned.
    
    	What's important here IMHO is that we've "virtualized" so many facets 
    of our employee disbursement systems (Payroll, expenses, advances,
    misc. vouchers, etc.) that it takes a lot of tenacity to get an
    authoritative response when something goes wrong. 
    
    	I'm also grateful that my problem isn't as horrible as others have 
    related. There's room for improvement across the board.
    
    Phil

    
    This is the 3rd time DEC has not paid me for SICKTIME!  I've sent
    mail to Canon:: but I want to talk to a person!  I want to talk
    to a person of Importance.  Can anyone in here give me the name
    of the Mgr of Payroll?
    
    This will the 3rd time I will have bounced checks and the fees attached
    to them.. I want my $ today and I want it retro!
    
    Thanks
    
    Louisa

    
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    >I want to talk to a person of Importance.  
    
    iam a person of importance how can i help you !?
    
    >Can anyone in here give me the name of the Mgr of Payroll?
    
    i find allot of DECeees asking for who is in charge of this and that,
    how come we in DEC don't have an on-line system of some sort where
    one can locate people by function they do? like the above case?
    
    this will be something usefull to have and to add it to elf as another
    keyword search or something like this.
    
    just an idea.
    
    \bye
    \nasser
    

    
    Nasser, I know your very important, but I need an important person
    in payroll...or should I say a VP of payroll.
    
    

    \nasser, departmental listings are on-line, and updated frequently.
    VTX TEL
    
    SEARCHing for payroll (eventually) gets to
    
     PAYROLL RELATIONS
     Payroll
       General Information                           PKO3-1/F12     223-3577
       PAYEEphone                                    PKO3-1/F12     223-5555
         (touchtone direct deposit services)
         (current week pay confirmation)
    
    Except for the SEARCH part, it's also in the Web.
    

    
    Those numbers dont work! you only get drons and voicemail.  They
    can't help.  I want a real person's name and with real responsibility
    to kick butt!

The Payroll manager is Len Haug.

This is the Merrimack, NH Payroll office - but they
service a "LARGE" area (I'm in Burlington, MA).

Hope this helps!

    
    The Payroll Mgr is Romesh Verma and is # is 223-9493.  If you get
    no response from him, let me know.  He works in my organization.

    re:  .21
    
    The manager of U.S. Payroll is Len Haug, NOT Romesh Verma.

    
    Thank you all!  If I don't here back from personal this am I will
    call Len.
    
    Personal is trying to work this issue for me, they called me last
    night at 4:00 to inform me that they have having a hard time getting
    a live person of importance.
    
    All my personal records are in complete order, but for some reason
    payroll is pulling info from another system (arent we supposed to
    all linked together on one system now?) hence, I don't get paid!
    
    The personal mgr sent mail to Canon:: telling them I am an active
    employee and to pay me... well, Canon:: sent mail back to the
    Persoanl mgr telling them I'm not.  Since when does payroll make
    the rules?
    
    Thanks for the name!   Much appreciated!!!
    
    Louisa

    I just called PAYEE phone to find out wh at my direct payroll deposit
    is and was very interested to hear that none had been made yet.  It is
    8:06 on Thursday morning.  We are supposedly paid Thursdays..yet still
    no pay.  I thought PAYEE phone was supposed to let us hear about our
    payroll deposits before the checks were actually delivered.  My bank
    also tells me there is no deposit for this week.
    
    Your opinion...what if there was suddenly not enough money for payroll. 
    Would you rather have direct deposit or a live (or comatose) check? 
    Would it matter?  Would DD get their money before live checks, or the
    other way around?  Would they just stop paying everyone?
    
    Should I even be concerned about this?
    
    -sandy
    

    I'd be concerned, so much I'm calling pronto!

The file that Payee Phone uses was not updated this week.
The correct file should be loaded in shortly.  This 
problem is with Payee Phone only.  This causes no 
problem with all other payroll functions (ie. direct 
deposit).

Dan

    I called my bank and verified that direct deposit was made this AM.
    
    /dlw

    Well, it's in there now.  Sorry for the scare... Guess it depends on
    the bank.
    
    -sjd