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| 1870.1 | Kinda doubt it.... | DENVER::DAVISGB | I'd rather be driving my Jag | Mon Apr 27 1992 21:02 | 13 |
| And now the rumors behind the news...
Last I heard, Hudson would be getting a new fab....
Also heard that we would outsource Alpha if it really took off...
Havent heard much about Phoenix, other than the Union Hills facility
was just sold to Honeywell.
Would truly be a surprise if we built a fab in Phoenix. Those things
cost $300-800 million these days! ( I assume you are talking about a
semiconductor fab....yes?)
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| 1870.2 | | MU::PORTER | obnoxious, though interesting | Mon Apr 27 1992 21:48 | 2 |
| A fab opening at Phoenix? Dunno, but it's pretty
groovy here at LKG, y'know?
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| 1870.3 | <<< SEMICONDUCTOR FAB >>> | GSMOKE::MORELOS | | Mon Apr 27 1992 22:54 | 2 |
| Yes, I do mean semiconductor fab. Thank you for that information.
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| 1870.4 | | VMSSPT::NICHOLS | it ain't easy; being green | Tue Apr 28 1992 12:52 | 4 |
| what is a FAB?
herb
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| 1870.5 | this what it means | STAR::ABBASI | i^(-i) = SQRT(exp(PI)) | Tue Apr 28 1992 13:00 | 7 |
| >what is a FAB?
it is either : Fast Automated BookKeeping
or : Fabrication
/nasser
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| 1870.6 | GOOD JOKE. | GSMOKE::GCHARBONNEAU | | Tue Apr 28 1992 15:28 | 4 |
| I THOUGH IT WAS LOUNDRY SOAP..
Now I find it to be the place you dress up like a bunny..
They tell me it is a cleanroom..Maybe it is soap..FAB
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| 1870.7 | | CHRCHL::GERMAIN | Improvise! Adapt! Overcome! | Tue Apr 28 1992 15:35 | 3 |
| I thought FAB stood for File Access Block......?
:^)
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| 1870.8 | when we was fab | CORPRL::RALTO | It's all part of the show! | Tue Apr 28 1992 16:09 | 1 |
| no, no, it is singers like Fab Four when I was young
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| 1870.9 | | VMSSPT::NICHOLS | it ain't easy; being green | Tue Apr 28 1992 17:33 | 4 |
| Could someone tell me what FAB means?
herb
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| 1870.10 | | POBOX::RILEY | I *am* the D.J. | Tue Apr 28 1992 17:36 | 3 |
| Why, it's simply "FAAAABULOUS"! <snap> <snap>
"jackin' the house", Bob
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| 1870.11 | | CREATV::QUODLING | Ken, Me, and a cast of extras... | Tue Apr 28 1992 17:39 | 10 |
| looks like we have had a
Full
Acronym
Breakdown.
FAB is in-talk for a Semiconductor assembly plant.
q
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| 1870.12 | Why can't I ever keep out of these things? | LJOHUB::BOYLAN | Hee'm verminous, but hee'm honest | Tue Apr 28 1992 17:57 | 8 |
| Make that (.11)
"Semiconductor Fabrication Facility"
^^^
hence the abbreviation.
- - Steve
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| 1870.13 | FAB | GSMOKE::GCHARBONNEAU | | Tue Apr 28 1992 21:05 | 7 |
| WE` Morelos and myself work in a cleanroom fab as in VAX9000..
These units have got to be as clean as the table you all eat on..
1870.12 haves this to the point..Micro-Modules...MCU FAB
This is in Cupertino California as well as BTOVT...
This is for those that really don`t know what a FAB is...CLEANROOMS.
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| 1870.14 | Rumor not here! | LUDWIG::LOGSDON | | Tue Apr 28 1992 23:29 | 7 |
| I would think that if a Semiconductor fab rumor was floating about, it
would be hot and heavy here in Hudson. It is not! As we type they are
breaking ground here for the new fab anounced sometime ago. We are
still waiting for final funding to be announced.. Ground breaking has
already been funded.
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| 1870.15 | | CREATV::QUODLING | Ken, Me, and a cast of extras... | Wed Apr 29 1992 02:10 | 17 |
| re .13
So you get to wear the cute "bunny" suits, huh.
re the silly notion of shutting down Fab lines. when we are touting
with what looks like some degree of success alpha as the "chip du
jour", we better be ready to make 'em. Semiconductor Fab facilities
cost multi-millions to build, and take a long time to bring on line...
While on the subject. Can someone refresh my memory on the different
clean room categories. I seem to recall class 10 and class 100 or
somesuch. I heard stories of one of the rooms in CXO being a non-human
room - robots only...
q
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| 1870.16 | | COMICS::BELL | Hear the softly spoken magic spell | Wed Apr 29 1992 09:46 | 10 |
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> I heard stories of one of the rooms in CXO being a non-human
> room - robots only...
Yeah, they got rooms like that in most DEC facilities ... sometimes they
are small rooms with a single desk and two or three chairs, sometimes
they are huge open-plan areas but there are certainly a lot of robots
around ...
Frank
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| 1870.17 | What's a clean table | DYPSS1::COGHILL | Steve Coghill, Luke 14:28 | Wed Apr 29 1992 12:30 | 7 |
| 1870.18 | GROUND BREAKING TOOL | GSMOKE::GCHARBONNEAU | | Wed Apr 29 1992 12:31 | 2 |
| WHAT DOES IT COST FOR A SHOVEL THESE DAYS.??
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| 1870.19 | another 2 cents | STAR::ABBASI | i^(-i) = SQRT(exp(PI)) | Wed Apr 29 1992 13:48 | 8 |
| > WHAT DOES IT COST FOR A SHOVEL THESE DAYS.??
Please lets keep discussions to the digital way of life, discussion
of shovels is hardly a digital way of life topic.
thank you very much
/nasser
who_aspires_to_be_a_digtial_notes_file_co_moderator
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| 1870.20 | joking around. | GSMOKE::GCHARBONNEAU | | Wed Apr 29 1992 15:20 | 4 |
| Did you ever try to back ground without a shovel.??
As was said in a note before..Funds for ground braking is approved..
I`m sorry Nasser if you don`t get the joke here..A little humor helps.
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| 1870.21 | seems to be a lot of shoveling going on ;-).... | WMOIS::VAINE | Twilight Zone, RFD | Wed Apr 29 1992 16:16 | 5 |
| We can put some of those " I LOVE DIGITAL" bumper stickers on the
shovels/ that should cover all bases....
Lynn
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| 1870.22 | truck load. | GSMOKE::GCHARBONNEAU | | Wed Apr 29 1992 18:12 | 8 |
| I HOPE THAT WOULD COVER HOMEPLATE AS WELL..
Lynn,Do you think we have enough dirt for more then one shovel.??
The price for one label would be more then if we purchased the label
company itself..
Man' are we having fun with note...Sorry__LADY`S TOO.
Candie,You started something here..
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| 1870.23 | Shovels are issued thru facilties inventory | DPDMAI::RESENDE | Perot is onto something .... | Wed Apr 29 1992 21:29 | 12 |
| Re: .19
> Please lets keep discussions to the digital way of life, discussion
> of shovels is hardly a digital way of life topic.
I must disagree. I think that shovels are (or should be) standard
issue office tools for all Digital employees to dig through all the
non-official non-pronouncements we are not-reading in the not-nice
press these days about non-layoffs and non-restructuring and our
non-problems.
Shovels are most definitely a required tool at Digital today ....
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| 1870.24 | Right!!!! | SWAM2::KELLER_FR | | Thu Apr 30 1992 03:12 | 7 |
| Especially '79 FLH shovels...oops; this isn't the CYCLES notes file is
it?????
Sorry...!
Fred :^)
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| 1870.25 | I can take a joke | WMOIS::VAINE | Twilight Zone, RFD | Thu Apr 30 1992 13:50 | 9 |
| Actually, a backhoe would be a more efficient office tool for me....;-)
I think they're gonna start putting those stickers w/ our paychecks,
just to remind us, so we'll each have one to donate to the cause.
And yes, after 16 years I still have some sense of humor left!
Lynn
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| 1870.26 | Are FAB's unique in their startup cost? | 16BITS::DELBALSO | I (spade) my (dog face) | Tue May 05 1992 02:09 | 17 |
| re: .15, Peter
> Semiconductor Fab facilities cost multi-millions to build, and take a long
> time to bring on line...
I've often wondered why this is (having not the foggiest clue of how chips
or wafers are made). It always seems that these facilities need to be custom
built, rather than retrofitting an existing one (but I think, we've done that
too, no?)
What makes these so unique and expensive?
Warehouses, office complexes, cabinetry plants, PCB facilities, etc. all have
specific expensive needs as well, don't they? Why is a FAB generally considered
a major deal?
-Jack
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| 1870.27 | to see a FAB is to know why they're MAJOR Deals... | RDVAX::KALIKOW | The Gods of the Mill grind slowly... | Tue May 05 1992 02:27 | 3 |
| I was REALLY impressed with a tour a friend gave me of HLO... WOW
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| 1870.28 | Fab (not groovy) areas | ANARKY::BREWER | John Brewer Component Engr. @ABO | Tue May 05 1992 02:44 | 11 |
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Fab sites are typically built away from heavy traffic/truck areas
(which would make the Black Canyon highway location of PNO
ojectionable) due to the vibration and shaking induced into
the structure. We're talkng making _small_ stuff here!
Floors are mechanically isolated wherever possible from other
vibration-inducing areas for the same reason. Isnt HLO fab built
on a "floating" granite structure, or is this urban folklore?
/john
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| 1870.29 | little on fabs. | GSMOKE::GCHARBONNEAU | | Tue May 05 1992 12:54 | 11 |
| John,Are you saying that the California quakes here will not make this
building rock and roll.??
Polling your chain here john..
This fab here is a class 1000 and we try hard to keep like a 100..
The air system here is set to keep as little if not no dirt or dust from
entering the work area..All personnel here entering the fab wear coveralls,
hood and boots..SPECIAL WHITE OUTFITS..ESG rated Ect..
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| 1870.30 | | REGENT::POWERS | | Tue May 05 1992 12:57 | 8 |
| > <<< Note 1870.28 by ANARKY::BREWER "John Brewer Component Engr. @ABO" >>>
> Floors are mechanically isolated wherever possible from other
> vibration-inducing areas for the same reason. Isnt HLO fab built
> on a "floating" granite structure, or is this urban folklore?
The HLO buildings are built on concrete sections that ressemble a waffle
or a big chocolate bar, so that sections can be broken apart on the grooves
to isolate the slab under one part of the building from another.
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| 1870.31 | Much more that just a "clean" room... | ASDG::SBILL | | Tue May 05 1992 17:27 | 14 |
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One of the BIG reasons fabs are so expensive and time consuming to
build is the facilities that are needed to support the processing. Not
only does a fab need super-clean air, it also needs super-clean
deionised water, it needs process chilled water, very sophisticated
HVAC (temp and humidity control), process gas distribution systems,
chemical storage, hazardous waste treatment/recycling, not to mention
the electrical needs of electricity-hungry processing equipment like
diffusion furnaces, implanters, etc. I'm sure that I've just scratched
the surface here. Building a fab is NOTHING like building an office
building or a warehouse. It's is many orders of magnitude more
complicated and expensive.
Steve B.
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| 1870.32 | what you said. | GSMOKE::GCHARBONNEAU | | Tue May 05 1992 17:50 | 1 |
| What .31 said and more...
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| 1870.33 | to further confuse the issue... | FRETZ::HEISER | ask me | Thu May 14 1992 23:17 | 17 |
| > Fab sites are typically built away from heavy traffic/truck areas
> (which would make the Black Canyon highway location of PNO
> ojectionable) due to the vibration and shaking induced into
> the structure. We're talkng making _small_ stuff here!
>
> Floors are mechanically isolated wherever possible from other
> vibration-inducing areas for the same reason. Isnt HLO fab built
> on a "floating" granite structure, or is this urban folklore?
The rumor mill says HLO was built on a fault-line. Silicon Valley
isn't exactly stable either.
PNO wouldn't be bad, if DEC was going to keep it. Some of the Motorola
and Intel sites here are near major freeways as well.
Mike
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