Conference 7.286::digital

   Contact the employee activities co-ordinator for your facility, failing
   that the personnel office.
   
   While I think this would be valid for hand made crafts or DEC trivia, I
   think Brand X stuff would be outside the rules. I would hate to see the
   Amway/Avon/Discovery Toys/Tupperware people taking oer a nice peaceful
   office...
   
   q
   

    Thanks for the recommendations. 
    
    Question? Whats the difference between a DEC'ie who makes and sells
    crafts or DEC trivia (what is DEC trivia?) and a DEC'ie who sells
    Discovery Toys? Other then the fact that the Dec'ie who sells crafts
    buys the material and packaging and assembles them before selling. 
    
    Mac

    DEC should decide just what our business is and ensure their employees
    are devoting their time to that business while within the confines of
    a dec facility.
    
    If you want a part time job, do it outside of dec.
    
    I hope .0 is a rumor, if not it is just another example of management in
    inaction.
    

    Yeah .3 - I agree.  Next damned thing there'll be Tupperware parties
    in the conference rooms.
    
    Seriously, I can't any see DEC manager, anywhere, being so stupid as to let
    this happen.......but then......who knows??

   DEC trivia, is that sort of stuff that you can get at the Bedford Bookshop,
   or MKO employee Services or several other locations. Digital Pens, shoe
   laces, sweat shirts etc. 
   
   Where would one draw the line, in allowing employees to "sell" on site...
   Would you get upset if I had 5-10 used cars permanently parked in the
   facility car park (right near the door so they got high visibility...),
   would you get upset if I started blocking corridors with my product
   displays. Would you get upset if someone started selling a competitive
   brand of toys and beat you to your space in the Cafeteria or where-ever.
   
   someone in our facility sells tupperware. They have a catalog pinned to
   most of the noticeboards. I think that should pretty much be the extent of
   this. I haven't checked the EP&P manual, but I would think that there is
   probably a reuling on this...
   
   q
   

>   someone in our facility sells tupperware. They have a catalog pinned to
>   most of the noticeboards.
    
    I don't know about Digital policy but this was against Tupperware
    policy when I sold it a few years ago.
    
    		Alfred

    
    	
    	Ask this question.
    
    	What happens when there is a corporate visit by say NYNEX
    	or TRW?  How would it look? 
    
    	Pretty bad if you ask me.  It doesnt give a professional
    	look.
    
    
    	I'm against it.
    
    
    	tom
    

	...what would the neighbors think!

				    -davo

                             
    Our stock is stuck between 45-50.
    Plants are going to be shut down.
    Fellow staffers being let go.
    Sales are bad, real bad.
    
    And we are going to have on-site Swap Meets!
    
    This is not a good idea.
    
    Dave
    

    
    RE: 3,4,9
    
    Lot's of people enjoy these at lunch-time. I, personaly don't get into
    shopping but, if it can shed some enjoyment around here, what's the
    big-deal.
    
    Rick
    
    
     

Joe Employee sets up shop selling Joe's Amazing Hi-tech Toasters
    (Or perhaps he's a franchisee of Bob, so they're really Bob's Amazing ...)
Anyway, Fred Employee buys one, takes it home, uses it. It catches fire and
     burns up Fred's kitchen.
Fred sues Joe, and using the Deep Pockets technique of litigation, decides to
     add Digital to the suit. After all, Fred reasons, Digital allowed Joe to
     sell the product on company property so they're at fault as well.
Fred's been "deeply traumatized" by this experience and can't go into his
     rebuilt kitchen because of his new fear of toasters. Fred decides to sue
     for puntative damages as well. With DEC's cash hord, Fred goes for the big
     bucks, say $5 million.

     Trace_who_probably_watches_Judge_Wapner_and_reads_Forbes_too_much

    
    re: .10
    
    > what's the big deal?
    
    There's this thing called Corporate Policy that says no solicitation
    on Digital Property. Digital has already broken their own rule by
    letting the United Way patronize me. This is another step in the wrong
    direction.
    
    The next thing you know Sears will open branch sales offices on site.
    
    /prc

    
    RE:11
    
    Oh brother!! You could win a academy award for dramatics!! Really, all
    we're talking about here is to give some of our own folks who are
    talented in arts and crafts an opportunity to set-up a table before
    Xmas.
    
    BTW: This is nothing new! We've been letting employee's sell for years
         during the holiday season. 
    
    Rick
    
    

    
    re: .13
    
    That may depend on the facility.
    
    /prc

    
    RE:14
    
    Yes, It does depend on the facility...it must, in order to manage the
    concept. We don't want "Joe Blow" in here selling xyz, but something to
    encourage our people to use and show their talent. If they should make
    a buck, well more power to them.
    
    The final decision is up to the specific facility manager and is
    excluded from the Policy.... the policy is to keep from hard-core
    selling...if you know what I mean.....
    
    Rick 

    At our district sales office, it would be difficult. What with all the
    hundreds of eager customers, milling over our equipment. How would we
    explain it. "Hey, by the way wanna buy a pot holder".
    
    Did I say hundreds? Well, maybe I meant....
                                                          
    Dave

    Gee, the facility that I was in for the past 11 years has had an
    annual craft fair  (which took place during lunch) for years. I always
    thot it was kind of a nice idea. I don't know of anyone that ever
    complained about it, and if the truth be known, many of the vendors
    didn't make any money to speak of, and I know of at least one vendor
    that gave all of the proceeds from the sale of her stuff to a local
    animal shelter.
    
    Deb

Isn't there a once a year, Saturday (or Sunday) flea market held in the PK
parking lot.

If we were promoting a "professional" show (like those we see in the wonderful
Malls) I might have a problem with it.  But to give an employee (or employee
spice) a chance to unload their attic/shop/sewingroom etc from what is probably
a hobby effort isn't partisularly obnoxious to me.

I know, if I had such to offer (my wife occasionally asks where I intend to
put the fruit of my efforts from sawdust withdrawal), it would be a nice way
to get back the money I spent on materials and further my own hobby without
having to get into the relativly big bucks and annoyances involced with going
fully professional.  Oh, and it would also make me feel good to make someone
else (hopefully) happy.

			Bill

I too thought this would be against policy, but after reading the relevant
policy (6.19), I realized that it might indeed be permissible, if the
tables were set up only at lunch time.  However, the policy does seem to
state that it is not allowed to post catalogs on bulletin boards, etc.

Here's the policy text:

                 Solicitations and Distribution of Literature


It is Digital's policy that all employees are not to solicit other
employees for any purpose during working time.  Working time does
not include break time or meal time.  Digital employees are not
permitted to distribute literature of any kind and at any time in
working areas.

Persons who are not employees of the Company are prohibited from
distributing literature of any kind or soliciting employees for any
purpose at any time on Company property.
  

					Steve

    	I think that if it is billed and run as an arts-and-crafts
    	fair, there should be no problem.  Alot of people are looking
    	pot-holders and jewelry for gift items.
    
    	If it is loosely organized so that it turns into a second-
    	income-after-work fair, it would be wrong.  Employee 1 is a
    	flea market buff after work.  His table would be a mini flea
    	market.  Employee 2 sells insurance.  Employee 3 does Amway.
    
    	If there is a problem with selling things, perhaps DEC could
    	sponsor an arts-and-crafts contest.  No selling allowed, although
    	contestants could provide contact information (node::account)
    	for more information on prices and ordering...
    
    	Joe Oppelt

                       
    >	contestants could provide contact information (node::account)
    >	for more information on prices and ordering...
    
    It is specifically against DEC policy to use equipment for outside
    business promotion.
    
    Sorry.
    
    -PSK
     

    >	If there is a problem with selling things, perhaps DEC could
    >	sponsor an arts-and-crafts contest.  
    
    This was done (in New Hampshire) as part of the statewide "On My
    Own Time" program. 
    
    However, the New Hampshire View we got today says that the "On My Own
    Time" program has been cancelled for 1991 (statewide, not just DEC). 
    Probably lack of funding, I guess.
    
    					Val