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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
Total number of notes:139771

1090.0. "Offers of Money from Recruiters" by KYOA::MIANO (John - NY Retail Banking Resource Cntr) Fri Apr 20 1990 17:11

Quite often I get calls at work from head hunters the start off
like:

"Do you know of any with who can do...?"

Which translated means

"Are you interested in this job?"

Today I got a call where an agency would pay ME $2,000 if I refered
someone who took a specific job (and would send me a referal contract).

I can just imagine the kind of trouble one could get into, but
does this kind of offer occur frequently?

Also, does the P&P have any thing on this (if not it probably should)?

John
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1090.1None of P&P's BusinessMFGMEM::BENCHIn Claude We TrustFri Apr 20 1990 19:1912
    I would gladly recommend a person who is already job hunting (with 
    that person's permission) to someone with a job to offer.  I've 
    done it without payment in the past, but I would not hesitate to 
    accept a fee if it were offered. 
    
    I don't see the legal grounds by which a company could prevent one 
    from doing so.  Even if they tried, how would they ever enforce the
    policy?  They'd have no way of knowing if you received payment from 
    a recruiter.
    
    Claude
    
1090.2referral moneyCADSYS::RICHARDSONFri Apr 20 1990 21:4815
    A lot of our competitors give monetary rewards to employees who refer
    people who end up getting hired.  DEC has never officially done this,
    although in some organizations the person who brought in the resume
    gets treated to a dinner on the cost center, or similar (nothing like
    the substantial sums some places give out, though).  I never heard of a
    HEADHUNTER offering referral money, but I suppose it could happen.
    
    I don't like to discourage headhunters, since I might need one myself
    someday, but most of those who call me wanting to know if I "know
    someone" reel off such a long list of such general "qualifications"
    that it is real obvious that the headhunter knows absolutely nothing
    about the job.  Do I know anyone who knows anything about one or more
    of the following: computers, databases, workstations, Un*x, business
    applications, fault-tolerance, scientific applications, governmenbt
    applications, Cobol, Fortran, C, Pascal, ....  
1090.3Sounds like conflict-of-interest to me.AUSTIN::UNLANDSic Biscuitus DisintegratumWed Apr 25 1990 01:4434
    re: referral money
    
    Is it legal (or ethical) to tell a headhunter what someone else makes?
    Or that a fellow employee's job is going away, so he'll take anything
    that gets thrown to him?  It might be a hard choice to make when a
    recruiter dangles bounty money in front of you.
     
    One way you can get into trouble here, whether there is money in it or
    not, is to give a headhunter company- or personnel-confidential info.
    It may be okay to say that a friend of yours is looking for a change,
    but it would not be okay to say things like:
    
    	"Manager X is reorganizing, so some of his employees might be
    	 interested in moving ...", or:
    
    	"The pay raise average is only 4%, so you might have some luck
         talking to people if the price is right ..."
    
    These are just examples, but there many are other possibilities.
    Sometimes it is just people talking who don't realize what information
    they are giving the headhunter.  Headhunters have to run their business
    by gathering intelligence any way they can, and are often not above
    asking an unsuspecting employee about everything from org charts to
    salary ranges.
    
    Employee referral is one thing, but actively participating for profit
    with a headhunter for anything but you're own career advancement (which
    is an activity protected by law in most states) may walk the edge of
    conflict-of-interest rules.  DEC can compensate us for recruiting into
    our own company, because it is in the company's interest.  Can we say
    the same of headhunter bounty money?
    
    Geoff Unland
    
1090.4Say: If I think of someone I'll have them call you. Goodbye.COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertWed Apr 25 1990 02:418
Digital has a firm policy of telling noone anything about DEC employees, other
than verifying employment.

Do not tell a recruiter _anything_ about someone other than yourself unless
you are willing to be the target of potential lawsuits and/or lose your job
if DEC is the target of a lawsuit (or even fears that it may be).

/john
1090.5KYOA::MIANOJohn - NY Retail Banking Resource CntrWed Apr 25 1990 17:449
When I wrote .0 I was even thinking of something even worse than
suggesting in the replies.

"I know that Joe Blow at (name a DEC customer) wants a new job."

then said customer finds out the DEC has been helping to raid
the company.

John
1090.6Use their lineELNCHZ::WOLFOn in two!Mon May 07 1990 00:332
    I too am put off by the "Do you know anyone....." line.  My answer is
    "No, do you know anyone that wants to buy a computer?".