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Conference 7.286::digital

Title:The Digital way of working
Moderator:QUARK::LIONELON
Created:Fri Feb 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:5321
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1017.0. "HELP: Salary Review & JEC Trouble" by CIVIC::WEBER () Mon Jan 29 1990 10:52

    I have a question about the delays for the salary reviews. My situation
    is as follows. I was scheduled for review in July of 89 which got
    delayed til Jan 90. Now however my management is telling me it won't
    be til May 90. Do they have to explain to me why there is a delay? 
    Under what circumstances can they make that delay. To make matters
    worse for me they are telling me I have to move my work location from
    NH (where I live) to MA by 2/1/90. This means a 5 3/4% cut without any
    salary review til May. This is something I just can not afford. Also
    I was one of the "lucky" ones chosen (before the freeze) to have my
    salary review delayed 15 months the last time. In other words, by May
    I will have worked for the company 4 years and seen only 2 reviews.
    
    Can anyone give me input? I really feel like I'm getting the screw job
    here. Oh yes, one other thing. During the time of JEC I was in a job
    transition stage, waiting for the project manager to be hired to start
    my new job. During that delay I filled in for someone out ill. That was
    right when JEC was being done so the manager had me do JEC as if I was
    that person. By the time JEC came out I was already doing my job. They
    have not changed my level. I'm doing at least 1 level above where I was
    JEC'ed but they won't relevel/promote me to where I should be.
    
    Any help!!!
    
    Thanks,
    
    nancy
    
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1017.1Ham Actor TimeJUMBLY::DAYNo Good Deed Goes UnpunishedMon Jan 29 1990 11:5115
    Time for the injured martyr approach. Go find a nice quiet corner,
    and bang your head against the wall.
    
    Once you've done that, write out the full history. Sleep on it
    and rewrite it next day ...
    
    Then on with the plaintive expression. Advise your manager that you
    think you have been unduly short-changed, and could he help you
    in discussing this with personnel - or to put it another way, crawl.
    
    But, do get him/her on your side. Then you are in with a chance.
    Despite all the nice talk about OPD etc etc , its the only way ..
    
    Mike Day
    
1017.2there's another note in here about thisMPGS::MCCLUREWhy Me???Mon Jan 29 1990 11:5912
    re .0
    
    Off the top of my head, I can't figure out how you got saddled with 
    four extra months. Three I could explain. 
    
    If July,89 was 12 months from your previous raise, not only did you
    fall victim to the six month freeze but you also fell victim to the
    15 month average interval edict. However, that alone would place you
    in April. Either there's a fudge factor in there or your management
    is stretching people out to make the 80% participation edict.
    
    Bob Mc
1017.380% Percipitation Factor?CIVIC::WEBERMon Jan 29 1990 12:475
    Bob,
    
    What's the 80% percipitation factor you are refering to?
    
    nancy
1017.4More QuestionsCIVIC::WEBERMon Jan 29 1990 12:518
    Additional questions:
    
    Is there suppose to be a correlation at all between performance reviews
    and 15 month salary reviews? On my last review (July) I got a 2. Can
    they delay people 15 months with a 2 rating? I thought that was for 3
    or below. Can they give a person 2 15 month reviews in a row?
    
    nancy
1017.5There is a process in place to deal with JEC disagreementCSSE32::RHINEJack Rhine, Manager, CSSE/VMS GroupMon Jan 29 1990 13:0511
There is a process that you can use to contest your JEC classification. 
(I don't believe it is too late.)  See your personnel consultant.

Slipping a review until May doesn't impact participation, but it impacts an
organization's average review time, (19 months 13 + 6) in my organization.

As far as the two long review cycles, there is no policy against that.

It sounds like you have some real issues that you should be discussing with your
management.  I would use the open door policy.  If you think that using the open
door policy will do you harm, it is time to look for a new job.
1017.680/20 - and moreSIVA::ELMERMon Jan 29 1990 18:3416
    Most people (80%) will have had 1 raise in salary over 18 months - 12
    months + 6 month delay.
    
    I recently listened to a Salary Planning session recently and this is
    what was stated:
    
      o  80% will receive a raise (percentage of increase to be small)
      o  Individual performance and position on the salary range will
         determine salary raise frequency/increase
      o  Group equity enters the picture - this is the most confusing
         and arguable part of the entire salary picture.
    
    Performance remains the #1 criteria.
    
    Talk to your boss about this ....Talk to your personnel consultant
    about the process.
1017.7ULTRA::GONDADECelite: Pursuit of Knowledge, Wisdom, and Happiness.Mon Jan 29 1990 20:1728
    Seems like your situation is complicated.
    
    Your process related assumptions are invalid.  You don't have
    to get a salary review every year.  But it is generally accepted
    that you get a performance review every year (although that is
    also not necessary).  It will be really good if you talk to your
    Personnel Consultant (above PSA) for process related issues.
    
    Who gets raise it not as simple as you put it.  It is basically
    a factor of your performance and your position in your salary
    range.  And there is lot of play in the salary planning system.
    
    Technically JEC reevaluation deadline has passed.  It will be
    probably be easier for your management to reclassify via a 
    promotion if they and you can justify it.
    
    It also seems that there are some strange things occuring in 
    your process.  Why does your ELF 2 entry show you as working in
    PKO?  Is there something like you went to NH on a loan or is it 
    that ELF 2 is not updated?  Depending on your agreements with 
    the group they could ask you to move back.  It seem unclear from
    the information you have provided about this aspect of your
    problems what your options could be though.
    
    As mentioned before you need to talk more with your personnel
    consultant and then your group.  Ask them to explain to you
    how performance reviews are done, how salary actions are planned,
    how they are related etc.                        
1017.8Don't bother with ODP; deal with your managerSMAUG::GARRODAn Englishman's mind works best when it is almost too lateMon Jan 29 1990 20:3625
    As far as the average for the corporation your review salary review in
    May sounds about right.
    
    As others have indicated I strongly suggest you sit down with your
    manager and get him to explain how the salary system works (make him
    get personnel involved if he gives you any bullshit about not being
    able to tell you).
    
    I suggest that you don't use the ODP, that's the best way that I know
    of to really screw yourself.
    
    The bottom line is that your manager has placed you at a particular
    position in your range. If you disagree with that you work out a
    mutually agreeable change WITH YOUR MANAGER or you quit your job and go
    work somewhere else, you'll only cause yourself uneccessary heartache
    and pain if you try the ODP to get it changed. Because let's admit it
    when it finally comes down to it your salary is decided by your manager
    and that is one of the things the company expects a manager to do.
    As far as the 22 months since last salary review is concerned that is not
    unusual this year.
    
    Good luck and I hope it is just that your manager has overlooked
    something in your performance.
    
    Dave
1017.9MSCSSE::LENNARDTue Jan 30 1990 13:167
    .0 -- from your description, you are being treated within the scope
    of the new guidelines.  Plenty of us rated as 2's are looking at
    18-21 months and then a lousy raise.  Basically, the good old days
    are over.  Just be glad you're not in the 20% who get nothing.
    
    On the forced relocation to Mass, there isn't really anything you
    can do except start looking for another job.  My condolences.
1017.10guidelinesMPGS::MCCLUREWhy Me???Wed Jan 31 1990 11:2914
    Sorry, I was out yesterday and I only get into this file once
    a day.
    
    If it hasn't been made clear by the previous responses, salary and
    performance reviews need not coincide. In fact, personnel would
    prefer that they didn't. When they began with the 13month interval,
    they told us that we should keep to the 12 month performance review.
    I think that they knew that we would go to the 15 month interval in
    the following year. Performance reviews vary widely between groups
    in format and application. It seems like the local personnel/Sr
    manager can make a lot of changes to content/procedure, as long as
    they don't 'violate' corporate 'guidelines'.
    
    Bob Mc