Conference 7.286::digital

    On the other hand, had you read it, you would have noticed it was
    Jack SHIELDS who left, not Smith.
    
    

    RE: .0
    
         Too much coffee, Dick?

    RE: .2
    
    It must be rough when you run out of decaf!:)
    
    Too bad there wasn't a note that addressed "Waste Watch"!
    
    Kevin
    

    Gad Zooks -- 'scuze the h--- out of me.  I think people know whom I
    meant.  Now that my early morning coffee surge is over, I've taken a
    closer look at DW.  Still feel the same way.  

    RE:
    
>    Gad Zooks -- 'scuze the h--- out of me.  I think people know whom I
>    meant.
    
    I'm a person and I didn't know that SHIELDS was spelt S M I T H.
    In fact your note was making me feel very worried, I was dreadfully
    concerned that another VP had resigned. Luckily I had my copy of
    DECWORLD in my briefcase so I pulled it out to check for myself.
    I was glad to see that what you said was untrue and I just put it down
    to you spreading malicious rumours.
    
    Dave

    I'm inclined to agree with the basenote author. I rarely see the value
    in the DECworld publication. And I've always been a proponent of
    combining DTW and NH View. Perhaps it's time to visit the suggestion
    box...
    
    Mike

    I also feel that we continue to publishing information which has
    already been published in many other places at a great expense to the
    company!  I agree when times and money get tight it is always a good
    idea to reasses what is or is not a valuable activity to continue!
    
    Perhaps this same money could be spent on new revenue producing
    efforts!
    
    
    
    

    What in the world did the base noter mean by "do you feel valuing
    differences is worth the lost productivity ..."
    
    Gee, also now might be the time to be a hero ... write up your proposal
    and show in black and white how much we currently spend on all the
    wasted publications and how much it would cost if we were to do it
    differently or eliminate it.  Remember those folks on the assembly
    lines that don't have terminals handy to read livewire publications
    however.
    
    Oh I can see it now ....
    
    Employee finds method to save Corporation $$$ ... Personally
    congratulated by Ken Olsen ....
    
    Ahhhh..

	DTW, NH View, The Leader, and a whole bunch of local newsletters
	appear to be somewhat combined already. At least they all appear
	to share articles of wider interest. They all include some local
	interest things as well. Combining them more completely would not
	appear to be useful. I'm not interested in a lot of Maynard events
	that are a bit far away for me. Likewise I doubt people in the Mill
	are all that interested in Salem (NH) events. Timeliness is a problem
	to fix but not a reason to kill something outright.

	As for DECWORLD, believe it or not everyone in the company knows
	that Jack Shields has left. Not everyone reads Notes or the daily
	trade press. Lots of things that are old news to HUMAN::DIGITAL
	readers are unknown to 10,000s of other DECcies. It seems like
	trying to keep other people informed is a good idea.

			Alfred

I agree with the sentiments of the base noter, (except for the comment about
valuing differences, I dontknow what thats all about). I also agree that not
everybody has access to notes, mail, etc, etc. Maybe the answer is to get
the news to those you WANT it, ala a distribution by subscription.
The way I would envision it would be that if you felt that a hardcopy publication
was the only way you could keep up with whats happening then you subscribe to
the hardcopy newsletter or whatever. This would keep the number of copies to
a minimum. The problem would probably be that then they (the publication crew)
couldnt justify their existence.

- George

    RE: Publications - 
    
    I have long wished there was an electronic "Whole DEC Catalog"
    (preferrably _not_ under VTX, but that's personal bias) with all the
    product, pricing, marketing, customer and technical data that lives in
    n-to-the-nth different databases & places, at least all INDEXED in one
    spot. As it is now, it's a total pain to find out what a VSXXX-AA is,
    let alone how much the beast costs or whether it works on a FOOstation.
    And _forget_ finding a picture of it someplace.
    
    As far as daily/weekly information & publications, how about an
    electronic publication, along the lines of a newspaper, with the
    "sections" corresponding roughly to:(A)Corporate-wide information that 
    can be released to Customers (and may even be available to _them_
    electronically); (B) Corporate-wide information for internal use only;
    (C) Country-specific information; and (D) local area/region news. 
    And until we all have DECwindows terminals (2007, March or April), a
    separate "rotogravure section" (picture pages). Thus, 
    the local purveyors of newsletters & etc. still get to do their thing,
    but have to produce only local content (and have to maintain local
    interest), and all the other paper-printed versions of stuff are
    superceded. Also, we all get the same information from the same
    sources, rather than trickle-down random rumors being the predominant
    medium of info exchange. 
    
    Obviously, some large volume of this stuff will be (and perhaps still
    needs to be) hard-copy printed. How about a newsprint sheet-feeder for
    and LPS 20/40 at each site? I know, copiers demand good clean stock, but 
    you get the idea...

    Information which doesn't arrive in a timely manner can be useless (or
    worse).  I became so troubled by the lack of timely information 
    in the field, that I developed a NEWS system for our district.  I take
    official and/or authoritative non-confidential information and post it
    to the local NEWS system.  People are greeted with a list of current
    articles upon login.  If there is something of interest to them, they
    simply type "NEWS".  They may then select information from
    SMG$-formatted menus, choosing to read, mail, or copy articles.
    Every week, NEWS users are sent a summary of this week's headlines, so
    they can be certain to read information that is valuable to them.
    
    Now, if information was flowing properly to the field, NEWS would die
    from lack of use.  Imagine my surprise when people began to utilize it
    to the tune of 1000 articles read/copied/mailed per month!  And this is
    on a machine used by just one SWS district and a few other assorted SWS/CS
    folks!
    
    We need TIMELY information.  We could cut the paper use considerably
    and increase employee knowledge drastically if we would simply harness
    the technology we sell.  It costs me about 15 minutes a day to keep the
    system up-to-date (I've written several DCL procedures to classify and
    post "usual" articles, update the current article list, etc.).  If each
    organization had one person charged with spending 15 minutes each day
    to post news of interest to folks, we could have a lot more information
    flowing with a lot less overhead.  (Granted, certain people may not have
    electronic access readily available, so a small-scale hardcopy
    less-glossy, more timely newsletter might easily fill the gap)
    
    My opinion, FWIW
    
    -- Russ

    I can't agree with .0 more. I have always found these publications to
    be the most boring and cumbersome articles to read. They are filled
    with acronyms that baffle me. And most articles are just lousy. My wife
    looked thru it one week and asked me why Digital hires all these 
    past drug offenders who either left or were asked to leave there past
    companies only to get hired by DEC and we have to dry them out. 
    
    I agree what a joke. IMHO Valuing differences to me is a joke as I believe
    its just propoganda to keep us from thinking about something else like
    the scr_____ were gettin' at work. I don't believe that you are goin'
    to change your ideas about someone unless they/you change.  Lets face
    it, most of us develop our opinions in early childhood and usually they
    are reinforced thru later experiences.
    
    Mike
    

    RE: <<< Note 979.14 by NEWVAX::TURRO "Hi Ho Hi Ho I'm off to ODO" >>>
    
    >most of us develop our opinions in early childhood and usually they
    >are reinforced thru later experiences.                 ^^^^^^^
    
         Now THAT sounds difficult to prove.  What exactly is the
    percentage of early-formed opinions which are NOT reinforced?
    
                                     Greg
    
     

	If the worth of valuing differences is going to be discussed perhaps
	someone will start a new topic? 

			Alfred

    >	DTW, NH View, The Leader, and a whole bunch of local newsletters
    
    What is The Leader?

    Send mail to Peter Zotto (@ CORE). He's looking for suggestions on
    literature that can be eliminated in an attempt to reduce expenses.
    
    -George

Yeah, get rid of all those internal publications. That's the
ticket. Yeah... Except, of course, when they announce that
I've been promoted to Senior Corporate Consulting Deity (so
all my friends can approve and all my rivals can grind their
teeth in envy). Or when my group wins some excellence award
and gets photographed with Ken Olsen. Or when my kid appears
in the Canobie Lake Park pictures. Or when my softball team 
wins the local DEC league championship. Or when I want to
sell my car and advertise it ('cause not everyone uses Notes 
or looks in CLASSIFIED_ADS). Or when I want to buy a car, or
a stereo, or....

	RE: .17 The Leader is the NIO (Salem NH) newsletter. Lots of sites
	have their own. I thing the one in Hudson is called "Mountain View".
	There are others in CXO and other places as well. Most of them have
	their own names.

			Alfred

Hmmmm.

	While I agree that most of the items in DECworld (the brochure, not
	the show) as well as area newsletters (DTW and the like) are
	usually old and, like livewire, always putting even the greatest of
	disasters in the best possible light, (who says we don't do
	marketing) I would point out the following:

	a) Not everybody reads notes or stays up to date on livewire or VNS
	   the other daily electronic resources available--for them these
	   other forms of communication are valuable.

	b) Some of our employees work at customer sites and get little
	   enough information as it is about what is going on inside--for
	   them it is valuable also.

	c) DECworld is also sent to retired employees.  It is arguable
	   whether this is actually "valuable" but it is a thread that
	   links them with the company for which they used to work.

        IMHO I'd like to see cost savings as well.  Perhaps a good way to
        do this is to be selective about who receives such publications.
        Many publications already follow this model. (DECsell only goes to
        sales & marketing, DTJ is mailed automatcally to engineering, the
        field has their own publications with limited distribution as well)
        The vehicle for this segregation is the cost center to which you
        belong (one place where there actually see to be a method to the
        madness). 

        I'd like the option of telling the company not to send me
        DECworld--its usually old news and since both my wife and I work
        for DEC our house gets two copies.  Both of these copies usually
        end up in the trash--one ends up there before it is even opened. 

        There would probably be an initial expense involved in setting up a
        system whereby a person could be removed from a mailing list.  Long
        term however, the savings in printing and franking costs would
        pay for such a system. 

FWIW,
 jim

    >    I'd like the option of telling the company not to send me
    >    DECworld--its usually old news and since both my wife and I work
    >    for DEC our house gets two copies.  Both of these copies usually
    >    end up in the trash--one ends up there before it is even opened. 
    
    We're Double-Digits (or Double-DECcers), too, and also get 2 copies of
    DECworld and medical bulletins, etc. I thought I heard sometime last 
    year that personnel was going to rid dual mailings through cross
    referencing via the EDCFs???
    
    Mike

Re:< Note 979.22 by CUPMK::PHILBROOK "CUP Customer Consulting" >
    
>    We're Double-Digits (or Double-DECcers)...
That's "DECmates".

re: .-1

  <<<   >   We're Double-Digits (or Double-DECcers)...
  <<<   That's "DECmates".

I hear some folks got upset a few years back when we started selling the
	DECmate II