Conference 7.286::digital

		For the process of promotion to Consulting 
		Engineer or Senior Consulting Engineer, see 
		VTX (code CEPB).

		Jim

        And also spell. It is Principal Engineer, not Principle Engineer.
        
        q
        

    And stay current. It's now
    
    		SOFTWARE PRIN ENGINEER
    		HARDWARE PRIN ENGINEER
    		QUALITY PRIN ENGINEER
    		MFG PRINCIPAL ENGINEER
    
    (BTW, this seems to eliminate the requirement for mixed-case typing.)
    
    (It also takes most of the worry out of the "principal/principle"
    faux pas.)
    
    (I guess manufacturing engineers knew how to spell "principal", but not
    "manufacturing".)
    
    (Do these look backward to anyone else? "What do you engineer?"
    "Hardware princip[le]s!"

    RE .2 AND .3
    
    The purpose of my note is to find out the process. I didn't ask
    to critique my memo. 
    
    Bharat

    Re. 3:
    
    Most of us DEC engineers are principle engineers....8^)

    
    
    	Forgive me for seeming naive, but..promotions were, in my
    	mind, based on your current position, and any additional
    	skills/responsibilities that you needed to gain to advance
    	to the next level. Those should be defined between you and 
    	your mangler during your PA. Once you jumped those hurdles,
    	the "needs of the business" was the operative phrase to
    	determine the timing of a promotion. Of course, this does
    	not take into account any office politics that might be
    	played in your particular scenario...

    re .7
    
    Looks like you misunderstood me. What I am trying to ask is do one
    have to go through any interview cycle for the promotion?? If yes,
    is this procedure describe any where(for ex. in Personnel Policy).
    
    
    Bharat Shah

    There is a process for promotion to Consulting engineer.  There
    are a list of requirements such as "technical leadership", "10 years
    engineering experience", and most important, "evidence of a direct
    and substantial recent personal contribution to a successful product",
    and, "2 letter of recommendation from existing C.E.'s".
    
    Process
    -------
    
    1.  manager of candidate writes a promotion proposal 
    
    2.  promotion proposals are considered by a  Corporate-level
        promotion Review Board.  It consists of sr eng mgrs and Corp
        Consultants
    
    
    This is just a brief overview of the important elements of the
    consultant review process.  See your Personnel Consultant for the
    details.

re: .5

You must have missed the smiley face at the end of my comment.

Bob

    .1 had the real poop. For a detailed description of the promotion
    process to engineering consultant or senior consultant, type
    
    		$ VTX CEPB
    
    If you can't get it that way, ask Mary Barry (RDVAX::BARRY) or
    Joan Albertelli (RDVAX::ALBIE) to send you a copy.
    
    For principal engineer, it's the same as the lower engineering
    classifications - it's between you and you boss, and is based on
    demonstrating that you can do the job (which usually means consistently
    exceeding the requirements for the previous level).

    What is the procedure to go from Software Services Consultant I
    to Software Services Consultant II?

>    What is the procedure to go from Software Services Consultant I
>    to Software Services Consultant II?

Unlike the Engineering equivalents Eng Cons & Senior Eng Con (levels AE & AF)
both SWS Cons I & II are promotible positions requiring not promotion review
board.  In short promotion from Cons I to Cons II is at your managements
disgression given you meet the requirements as specified (See descriptions
for 52AE & AF).

    re: previous reply
    
    Correct ... it's when you go from a Consultant II to a Consultant
    III that there is a formal process which must be followed, and a
    review board.
    
    

    To my knowledge, nothing much has changed as regards process for
    promotion, based on JEC.  The "expected interval" may have changed,
    however, since the salary ranges are much broader, with more overlap. 
    Folks who were on the "fast track" jumping from plateau to plateau may
    find themselves staying longer in a given plateau.  
    
    Marge

    Re: .12, .13, .14
    
	Whereas there's a formal process to be promoted to C3, the 
	districts may have procedures in place for promotion to C1 and C2.

	In the Connecticut District we have such a procedure.  This 
	procedure has been in place for over a year for C1 promotions and 
	a few months for C2 promotions (we have only 3 C2's in the district).
	In the Connecticut district, in order to be promoted to C1 or C2, 
	you must do a write up that contains eight sections which look at 
	your career at DEC in several different ways.  The write up includes 
	a current resume and must have at least 2 letters of recommendation 
	from unit managers or Consultants at the level you are being promoted 
	to or higher.  The write up is presented to the management team to 
	the district manager and the other unit managers, who must agree that 
	this is a good candidate for the position.

	I know since this procedure was first used for C2 promotions on 
	my own promotion to C2 this year.

    Ref: .16
    
    We follow about the same process in the ECA for promotions to C1
    and within the C1 --> C2 --> C3 ranks.  So, the days of unreviewed
    promotions to C* levels may soon be gone in all areas.
    
    ....... Suchindran