Conference 7.286::digital

	... with open PSS jobs into which we had hoped to hire!  This is the
first I have heard of an "official" freeze!

    Additionally, Field Service have frozen International Relocation
    Hirings "until further notice".
    
    This has also affected CSSE as we are part of FS.
    
    Andy

In defference to .2, and on the positive side of the posting in .0, it doesn't
seem to say you can't fill req's - it just says you can't fill 'em with
external hires. Oh, I know, I've crusaded this issue too long in this
conference and others but the point is still (ahem, read my lips, if necessary)
"DON'T INCREASE THE CORPORATE HEADCOUNT IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE NO LAYOFF
 TRADITION UPHELD!! GET THE PICTURE?"
I'll betcha you can find internal people with the skills you need for your
PSS committments - perhaps your DSWM should go back to corporate and ensure
that they'll guarantee relocation or whatever is necessary to cement the
deal.

However, on the negative side of .0, why is it that these things are worded
using such terms as "Dept: US Management" and "All US employees", when what
they really mean is "FIELD", or "SALES", or whatever organization it is that
Dave is responsible for? The problem is that unaffected people (i.e. those of
us not directly or indirectly responsible to Dave's organization) often
feel that "he means us" - when he doesn't.

-Jack
 (Sorry, Dave - I know your heart's in the right place.)
 PS. I _DO_ believe the external hiring freeze applies to all of _US_.

      How do you think this will affect the College summer hiring program
    for temporary positions? My son was interviewed last week and has
    been waiting anxiously by the phone for a call. He was told that
    there were openings to be filled, so can I assume that the company
    still plans to bring in some summer help?
    
    
    Paul
    

        The summer hire program is probably independent of this, since
        summer hires are "temporary" help, and the program is, I believe,
        funded already.  Why don't you call the Corporate Employment
        Manager's office at DTN 251-1401 and ask (and report back)?
        
        Tom

    
    I just called the Corporate Employment Manager's office as 
    suggested.  They referred me to the College Relations office,
    who told me that there is a freeze on summer hires.  Students
    who are in the Minority and Women Scholarship program may
    still be hired for summer openings, however.
    
    I had to check, because my brother was a summer hire in the
    Ultrix Engineering group last year.  They wanted him back,
    but were told that there was a freeze.  He has taken another
    job to earn money, and is looking for an internship opportunity
    at Digital to continue learning.  If you know of such a program
    for someone with C and Unix experience, let me know.
    
    Jim
    

    
    re: .0
    
    According to what I have been told, what this means is that if I
    find a position elsewhere in the company, I cannot be replaced.
    So, if I find another position, it is up to my manager as to whether
    or not I may take it.
    
    					Warren Young
    					MAA USIS
    

    re -.1
    
     So if it is up to YOUR manager you are NOT going anywhere. Now
     what manager in their right mind would let people go KNOWING
     they cannot be replaced? This is not right.
    
    Mike Z.

    A Manager mandated with the reduction of his group. There are quite a
    few such groups, especially in Manufacturing right now.
    
    I hope this explains the aims of .0 more clearly.
    
    ..and no, I don't like it much either.
    
    - Andy

    as far as i can tell, it stil isn't clear if this applies to the
    entire US or just to grainger's operation.  any clues?
    
    -- henry
    --------
    

    It applies to US *AREA* functions. Not Corporate, as far as I know.
    Although there is probably a very similar scheme for corporate groups.
    
    Andy

re: < Note 814.9 by GRANPA::MZARUDZKI "It's HOT DOWN here....." >

>     So if it is up to YOUR manager you are NOT going anywhere. Now
>     what manager in their right mind would let people go KNOWING
>     they cannot be replaced?

   C'mon, Mike. Give management a little more credit than that, will ya?
   A _lot_ of responsible managers transcend the immediate problems of
   attrition with concerns for the welfare and career opportunities of
   good employees that they care for both personally and professionally.
   Letting a good employee make a good move is far better for the employee
   and DEC in general, than trying to hang on to them when they don't
   want to stay, which smacks of anal retentiveness.

   -Jack

    Right on Jack (.13) re. .9
    
    Many of us do believe that our first Support is to the COMPANY
    before it is to our particular Department (unfortunately not all
    of us) and as Jack says, if you do not support your people you
    are not a good manager. Good managers know how to pull up there
    socks and adjust etc. Certainly cruical positions and personnel
    will be looked at very closely but in truth how many cruical
    positions exist in organization with multiple personnel...? One
    or two perhaps but every move is an opportunity for growth for
    someone else into crucial positions etc.
    
    Lloyd

    
    
    Re: Last 2 - 
    
    Well, as no one here has found another position since the memos
    came down, the actual policy has not been tested. Time will tell...
    Be aware I speak with 2 years' experience under my current manager,
    and that management philosophies may vary greatly throughout
    different areas of the company - what is obvious to you as the 
    "right thing" may not be top priority to the powers-that-be here.
    
    					Warren Young
    
    P.S. to Mike Z. - 'Bout time to change yer personal_name, innit?
    								;')
    

    
    
      re -.1
    
      The company is better off letting the employee move on. After
    all it is in the Orange book. I.e. A manager works with their
    employee to scope a path. If the manager is unresponsive the employee
    should scope their own path. Of course you should let the manager
    know of your plans.
    
     You can get what you want if you want it BAD enough.. Warren. Keep
    trying. Hang in there. Every DOG has his day. etc. etc. etc.
    
    -Mike Z.

Re .7
    
>   They referred me to the College Relations office,
>   who told me that there is a freeze on summer hires.
    
    We supposedly have a summer student starting in the next two weeks.  He
    worked with us last year and doesn't seem like a member of an obvious
    minority group.  (This is in the US.)
    							Larry