Conference 7.286::digital

    It has been my understanding that a promotion does not imply a salary
    increase, unless you are below the lower limit for your new position
    (quite rare).  Instead, the promotion just changes your limits, meaning
    that your merit increases will tend to be larger for a while.
        John Sauter

    It has always been my understanding that you will be placed upon a
    percentage of the salary range of your new job code. Should this be
    higher, you get a salary increase. I've always had at least a modest
    increase in $$$ (but I've always been prompoted at the same time as a
    pay review), I know of cases where this has not happenned.
    
    Having said that, if their promotion coincided with their pay review,
    I'd expect some extra $$$ to come their way.
    
    Andy

    I'm not sure that you can ever tie salary increases to either (1)
    promotion or (2) performance.  In my last 3 years (of 11) in DEC sales,
    as a Sales Executive, I had two DEC100s and a DEcathlon but not
    one penny in salary increase.
    
    One thing nice about DEC...you're always free to go elsewhere within
    the company...so...last August...I left field sales....:-(
    
    There is no "policy" per se'.  It really depends upon management...as
    it should...I think...
    
    Jerry Beeler

re. < Note 789.1 by SAUTER::SAUTER "John Sauter" >

	This is the way all my promotions in the last 7 years have been 
handled and explained.  My last promotion came with no increase in salary.  
Our management has been able to explain this to my satisfaction and it is 
my opinion that they implement it fairly and consistently.  I would comment 
that this is one of the hardest areas of a manager's job.  If the 
management does a good job few people will complain; if they don't many 
will complain.

Jilly

        John Sauter's reply in .1 is pretty much in line with the salary
        administration guidelines for the U.S.  Basically, the only time
        that a salary increase *must* happen along with a promotion is
        when the promotion puts the person into a salary range where their
        current salary is below the minimum of the range.  In this case,
        the salary *must* be adjusted upward within a short time (which
        may lag the promotion by a few months). 
        
        In cases where the promotion coincides with a planned adjustment
        (periodic review), then it's likely that the decision about the
        amount of the increase was made during the prior salary planning
        process.  If the promotion was planned, as well, then there *may*
        be more money allocated to the person in question because of the
        promotion, or there may not.  Managers have a lot of discretion.
        
        Of course, this is based on the U.S. Salary Management Manual.
        Since the author of the topic note works in the U.K. (based on the
        knowledge that COMICS:: is in the U.K. and the assumption that the
        topic author is located near the node), the guidelines that apply
        there may well be different.  In the U.S., the guidelines are not
        supposed to be a secret; in fact, the Salary Management Manual
        clearly states that the information in the document is available
        to any Digital employee. 
        
        Tom

    It's funny how we can all work for the same company, but no one
    person is quite sure of how salary/promotion/merit works.  Obviously
    because they are handle differently by management.
    
    It's been my understanding that promotion does not equate to any
    $$$.  HOWEVER, it CAN by use of the words "Merit Increase".  Most
    promotions are given during salary review and when seen fit by
    management a merit increase is included with the regular salary
    increase.  So for example if your salary increase was 6% and your
    merit increase 4%, you could expect to see a 10% total increase.
    
    I have known many people to get promotions with no $$$ value added
    to it.  Like I said earlier, it all depends upon the manager.
    
    KG

        RE: .6 -- Since NUTMEG in in the U.S., and in fact in New England,
        I'm assuming that your reply is based on your experience in the
        U.S.  Now, I can't vouch for how your managers or supervisors have
        described the process, but the policy is quite clear, and is
        documented, in DETAIL, in the reference manual I cited earlier,
        the Salary Management Manual. 
        
        It's clear from the manual that ALL salary increases are MERIT
        increases.  Pay at Digital (at least in the U.S.) is supposed to
        be competitive, equitable, and based on performance.  There is no
        provision in the model for unmerited salary increases. 
        
        In the section on "Types of Salary Increases", three types are
        listed and described:  "Adjustment to Minimum", "Merit Increase",
        and "Promotional Increase".  "Adjustment to Minimum" brings the
        employee up to the minimum of the salary range for their current
        job, and can happen because the range has been adjusted upward (in
        response to competitive conditions).  There are several flavors of
        "Promotional Increase", and managers have some discretion, except
        when an increase is needed to bring the salary up to the minimum
        for the new range.  A "Merit Increase" is neither of the above;
        it's the sort of increase that typically comes at review time, but
        not at promotion time.  While you may have had a manager tell you
        that an increase comprised a mixture of "Merit" and "Promotional"
        increases, there's no provision for this in the official policy
        (which I've been reviewing as I type this, although this is not a
        verbatim extract of the policy). 
        
        Tom

    See .2, I am in the UK.

    Well, tomorrow p.m. I'll report on the similarities/disparities
    of promotional/merit increases in Canada. Both reviews for me are happening
    tomorrow ...
    
    Do I want a raise ? you bet ...
    Do I want a promotion ? you bet ...
    Do I deserve either ? you bet ...
    
    Will I be upset if I don't get one or both ? not really ...
    
    I love my job, this company, its people ...
    you bet.
    
    Scooter